Let’s Imagine Some Asymmetric Contract Structures

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Last week, Mets owner Steve Cohen addressed his team’s ongoing contract negotiations with Pete Alonso. During a panel discussion in front of fans, he expounded on the process at length:

“We made a significant offer to Pete. He’s entitled to explore his market. That’s what he is doing. Personally, this has been an exhausting conversation and negotiation. I mean, Soto was tough — this is worse. A lot of it is, we made a significant offer … I don’t like the structures that are being presented back to us. It’s highly asymmetric against us. And I feel strongly about it. I will never say no. There’s always the possibility. But the reality is we’re moving forward. And as we continue to bring in players, the reality is it becomes harder to fit Pete into what is a very expensive group of players that we already have. That’s where we are. And I am being brutally honest. I don’t like the negotiations. I don’t like what’s been presented to us. Listen, maybe that changes. Certainly, I’ll always stay flexible. If it stays this way, I think we are going to have to get used to the fact that we may have to go forward with the existing players that we have.”

That quote caught my eye for a few reasons. First, the length! That’s not a no comment or even close to one. He noted a few specific points where the negotiations had gotten stuck, mentioned that the deal gets less likely as the offseason goes on, and at least nodded in the direction of how an Alonso offer affects team construction. That’s not exactly par for the course when owners give quotes; I’m looking at you, Bill DeWitt Jr., who early this winter said, “The best way to build a championship club is to have good young players.”

Second, I kept coming back to “highly asymmetric against us.” I can’t help it. I’m a contract nerd. I immediately started thinking about what that could mean. The possibilities are nearly endless. Accumulators? Collars? Conditional ownership share? Alonso gets to choose the roster every Tuesday?

Well, probably not. Agent Scott Boras threw some cold water on my ideas in a response. “Pete’s free-agent contract structure request[s] are identical to the standards and practices of other clubs who have signed similarly situated qualifying-offer/all-star level players,” he told The Athletic’s Will Sammon. “Nothing different. Just established fairness standards.”

Okay, then. I’m not going to litigate this disagreement for them, because I don’t have all the facts. But I felt like a challenge, so I decided I’d try to guess what contracts could fit both descriptions. So let’s talk about three theoretical “highly asymmetric” contracts, but ones that fit accepted norms fairly closely.

A Digression on Asymmetry

Cohen made his money in finance, so when he says asymmetry, he probably means options. A bonus when a player makes an All-Star team or wins MVP? That’s a symmetrical incentive – the player and team both profit together. Julio Rodríguez’s wild contract? Mostly symmetrical – the better he plays over the next four years, the bigger the terms get in the back half of the deal. If he’s great, he and the Mariners will both win monetarily. If he’s merely good, the team will pay him a bit less, but get less in return. For asymmetry, you need one side to have monetary incentives that the other side doesn’t share.

An easy example: Carlos Rodón’s deal with the Giants before the 2022 season. He signed a two-year, $44 million deal with an opt out after the first year. He played well and opted out, signing a bigger deal with the Yankees. Rodón’s upside was asymmetrical; the Giants didn’t share fully in his success. If Rodón had flopped, the Giants would have borne the downside along with him, but they didn’t get the juice when things worked. That’s asymmetry.

On the flip side, Ozzie Albies’s deal has paid off handsomely for the Braves, and while much of that is just his low average annual values over many years, the two club options for 2026 and 2027 are incredibly asymmetrical. If he’d turned into a utility infielder, that’d be a bummer for him and no big deal for Atlanta, who could just decline the $7 million (what?!) team options and move on with life. Since he’s great, the team reaps the benefits, but he’s still getting paid like Trevor Williams (two years, $14 million). The deal is asymmetrical in Atlanta’s favor. That disconnect – one side of the deal capturing all the upside without offsetting risk – is what I’m aiming for in my pitches today.

The Mega Pillow

Rodón’s deal with San Francisco doesn’t register as particularly asymmetrical because it wasn’t. It’s minor in the grand scheme of things; the Giants didn’t miss out on that much when he opted out, because he would’ve been under contract for only one more year if he’d stayed. On the flip side, if he’d gotten injured or otherwise turned out to be worse than expected, well – he was only under contract for one more year. Most of that deal was about paying Rodón for one year of playing, with minor assurances for him on the backside.

We can do better. My first hypothetical Alonso deal takes that structure and goes nuts: five years, $100 million, with an opt out after every year of the deal. If Alonso is great in 2025, this contract would behave exactly like Rodón’s. The Mets would get one year of star-level performance, then he’d opt out to get a bigger deal on the open market. But the other side of things? Wildly asymmetrical, because of the length.

Here’s another way of describing that contract: It’s either one year and $20 million for an All-Star, or five years and $100 million for a role player. If Alonso is great in 2025, he wouldn’t stick around for four years at $20 million per year. If he’s bad, on the other hand, he’d almost certainly stay. And that’s just the first opt out. Let’s say Alonso is bad in 2025, bad in 2026, and then has a resurgent 2027 in a booming, inflation-induced free agency market. As soon as the Mets would be happy to pay Alonso to stay, this contract would enable him to leave.

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Carlos Correa signed a contract that was broadly similar to this one before the 2022 season — a three year, $105.3 million deal with the Twins that had an opt out after every year. His agent? Scott Boras. That deal went about as expected; Correa was good in year one and opted out. My hypothetical Alonso deal is similar enough to that one that I think Boras’s quote and Cohen’s quote could both apply to it.

I wouldn’t offer this contract if I were the Mets, though I would have done the Correa deal if I were the Twins. The devil is in the details. The Correa deal was a huge discount to his initial asking price that winter, as well as his projected market; his median crowdsourced estimate was eight years at $30 million per year. The Twins offered significantly fewer years in exchange for flexibility. Alonso’s crowdsourced projection is five years at $25 million per year, so the Mets wouldn’t get the same discount in total guarantees in this scenario.

The more years that are covered by opt outs, the bigger the asymmetry, which is another reason why these deals don’t feel similar to me despite their superficial likeness. The longer the post-opt-out tail, the less the two sides’ incentives align. I’d consider a five-year deal with opt outs every year “highly asymmetric,” and at least arguably “identical to the standards and practices of other clubs.” This is a reasonable guess, in my estimation.

The Cliff Diver

We don’t have to stop there. Consider a five-year, $100 million dollar deal with only one opt out, after year three. That sounds fairly team friendly, no? But let’s further stipulate that the annual salaries are $30 million, $30 million, $25 million, $7.5 million, and $7.5 million. Now, it’s essentially a three-year, $85 million pact, plus $15 million of insurance if Alonso were to collapse to replacement level.

In this case, the last two years of the deal – at $7.5 million apiece – don’t function the same way as the opt outs in our first example. These aren’t about whether Alonso maintains his established level – he could be meaningfully worse than he’s played in recent years and still command a higher salary than that on the open market. It’s entirely about lopping off the left tail of his distribution, the ever-present but unlikely risk that a player will fall off completely.

Some examples are in order. Starling Marte racked up 5.2 WAR in 2021 and 3.5 WAR in 2022. He’s combined for 0.3 WAR and a 90 wRC+ in the subsequent years. Whit Merrifield put up 8.3 WAR on a .303/.358/.451 slash line in his age 29 and 30 seasons; he hasn’t matched a single one of those slash line stats in any season since then, and only once has he been even an average hitter. DJ LeMahieu and Anthony Rizzo were great right up until they weren’t. None of these players would merit a two-year, $15 million deal this offseason. That’s asymmetrical risk right there; the Mets would be on the hook if Alonso’s career were to take an unlucky turn for the worse.

To be honest, I’d probably offer this contract if I were the Mets. The asymmetry is much less sharp than in the previous deal with the series of opt outs, and the first three years of the deal don’t feel ruinous for either side. The worst part of player options, from a team perspective, is that your upside is capped. If the player’s great, they’re gone right away. Baseball is a high-variance sport; some players age incredibly well and get better with time, some collapse, some bounce back and forth. The upside with Alonso would be getting a thumping middle-of-the-order hitter for the next three or so years; a deal that would let him leave after the first year if you get that good outcome feels like a bad plan to me. This roller coaster structure would at least have him stay for three.

The Reverse Cole

Those first examples are simple, one-way options. Let’s get funky. Gerrit Cole notably opted out this winter. He’s still on the Yankees. That’s because his opt out wasn’t really an opt out. Instead, it was voidable if the Yankees agreed to guarantee him an extra year. Cole and the Yankees ended up sticking with his original deal, but the point is, the opt out wasn’t the absolute right to hit free agency, in the way that most are.

Cole’s agent? Boras. Juan Soto’s deal (agent: Boras) has a similar clause; Soto can opt out after five years, but the Mets can cancel that opt out by guaranteeing him $40 million more over the subsequent decade. This idea – giving the player some agency to force the team to pay him more if he performs well in the first half of the deal – is a kind of bounded option, and I think it’s mostly been applied well. It lets teams and players share in the upside without having the “he was too good so he left” downside.

That’s the way that Boras has historically negotiated deals, but let’s reverse it: a five-year, $100 million deal, with a few modifications. First, we’ll give the Mets a club option. Oooh, fancy. It would be for two years and $40 million, which could extend the deal to $140 million over seven years. But here’s the kicker: The Mets would have to decide whether or not to pick up that club option after the second year of the deal. If they decline, Alonso would have the right to opt out immediately.

Cole’s and Soto’s deals are, in the abstract, in a simple shape: The player can force the team to pay him a little more money if he plays well, but the team gets the final decision. In fact, it’s a tough spot for the player: Opting out to attempt to secure the extra money without knowing if it’ll work out is risky. Cole didn’t actually want to hit free agency, as you can see from the fact that he went back to the Yankees without securing a raise. When you flip the script, the decision is much harder for the team – and easier for the player. Now, the team has to decide whether to guarantee more money without knowing what’ll happen if they don’t. That’s information asymmetry, and it’s potentially quite valuable (or costly, depending on which side you’re on).

I think I’d probably offer this deal if I were the Mets, or at least offer a deal with this general structure. While it is asymmetrical, it’s more bounded than the others in my eyes, less likely to lead to a result that feels disastrous to fans. But it’s also weird. There aren’t a lot of contracts in this style, “If you don’t give me money you give me an opt-out.” The closest I can remember is Yusei Kikuchi’s initial MLB deal (agent: Boras). The Mariners had a club option that would’ve covered the 2022-24 seasons, but the contract allowed for him to opt out immediately if they declined their option. That’s exactly what happened, and he became a free agent. Rodríguez’s deal has a similar general idea, with a player option that kicks in only if the club declines its own option. That’s basically it, to my knowledge. I can imagine teams balking at signing something with that odd structure – though, again, I’d be comfortable with it.

Are any of these contract offers the one Cohen and Boras are feuding over? I have no clue. But I think they all fit the descriptions that each side gave, and I think they provide an interesting look at how contracts are about sharing upside and downside in addition to everything else. Deferrals and signing bonuses aren’t the only “one weird trick” in town this offseason. As a hopeless nerd, I’m hoping for a contract or two that makes me look back at this article and go, “See? I knew it!”





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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I have absolutely no idea what is going on, but the more I look at these options it sounds like the mega-pillow. The Mets’ offer sounded a lot like the Bellinger deal, so it’s unlikely to be that. But Boras also negotiated the JD Martinez deal which was a front-loaded five year deal with three opt outs for $110M, so when he says this isn’t that far off of what teams have agreed to, I’m guessing that’s what he’s thinking of.

I suppose Correa would work as a reference too. But both Correa and Martinez were way better going in their walk years than Alonso was, as both of them were about 6-win players and Alonso was about a 2-win player.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The other thing with Alonso is that he’s an extremely typical 1B/DH only type. Those players do not age well. Even Albert Pujols, the ultimate expression of that stereotype, started to decline by age 30 and fell off a cliff within two more seasons.

Alonso is a one-tool player, and that’s his bat-speed-powered contact quality. He doesn’t have great swing discipline, only above-average plate discipline that’s pretty sure to decline, isn’t great at generating contact, and is a steep negative defensively (5th worst among 1Bs in MLB last year with a minimum of 50 GP, and that’s not DH penalty; he played 161 games at 1B).

Martinez was a better and more versatile hitter, Correa is a shortstop. Even Bellinger is a quality defensive player behind the questions with his bat. Alonso just doesn’t have a lot to offer at the prices Boras is aiming for.

Last edited 1 year ago by EonADS
Dave TMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

Yes.

My impression is that the 5/$125 crowdsourced contract projection for Alonso reflected much more what people thought he *would* get than a contract that people voting would want to offer themselves as a GM.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I suppose Correa would work as a reference too. But both Correa and Martinez were way better going in their walk years

Which is presumably why Steve Cohen is complaining!

descender
1 year ago

Basically Alonso wants an opt-out, and Cohen wants a solid guarantee of what he is paying for.

Good for Cohen. Opt-out contracts are a bad joke.

Last edited 1 year ago by descender
sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  descender

Whatever, this whole thing about opt outs is not a big deal. Teams make it a big deal because they hate uncertainty about their payroll more than a cat hates a bath. But if you’re giving the opt out it means you didn’t give up something else, and that something else is almost always money. The counterfactual is never the same deal without opt outs, it is the same deal without opt outs and a bunch more money.

descender
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Opt-Outs only ever work in the players favor. The team either gets left without the star player they committed to, or owing a bad player a lot of money.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  descender

Would you rather give Pete Alonso an opt out or another $30M? Or more?

dangledangleMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Opt out. Also players can opt out and a team can also be glad they opted out it’s not always a negative .

descender
1 year ago
Reply to  dangledangle

Has that ever even happened once? Why would a team be glad a player that was more productive than the contract they were signed to… left?

descender
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If a player wants an opt-out I would offer them a larger AAV for that number of years and not include one.

If a player wants to go test being a free agent again they should be as sure of that decision as the club needs to be.

bernardgilkeyhasaposseMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Bathing a cat is indeed a great way to lose somelots of blood.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

Someone told me recently that there are some cats who like to swim. I have never met that cat.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  descender

Opt-outs often end up benefiting the team. They get a discount and if the player opts out, they get the best years of the deal anyway.

David Klein
1 year ago

Good article I just can’t wait til this saga is over one way or another the discourse about Alonso between Met fans has been borderline toxic. No matter what people excuse his down season by saying he was worried about doing too much in a contract season and ignore that he had a down season in 2023 as well because homers and rbi! He had a 137 wRC+ from 2019-2022 vs a 120ish wRC+ the last two years. The whole who is gonna protect Soto stuff is so silly and that creep and utter buffoon Joe Beningo went viral when he had a meltdown over Stearns four months after he admitted he was wrong about Stearns and said he did a good job. I don’t listen to sports talk radio but being made aware of the rant was unavoidable. Stearns drawing boos from some fans talking about giving young players a chance at the amazing day event was a sign of fans losing the plot as Stearns put together a team that just reached the nlcs in his first year. It feels like too many fans still listen to sports talk radio and the small market Stearns comment are so stupid considering that he spent 900+ mil this offseason and isn’t done yet. I don’t see much of a market for Alonso so I expect him to be back but we’ll see I just want this to end until we do it again it again next offseason if he has a big year.

Last edited 1 year ago by David Klein
sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

Pete Alonso was always going to be a tough one for fans because his power numbers are good, his OBP is only okay, and his defense is bad. Low information fans are going to struggle with that one.

But I would tend to agree with you that he’s more likely to return to the Mets than go elsewhere. If he had a deal better than the Bellinger deal on the table he would have taken it by now. Maybe the Blue Jays because they are desperate to save their jobs, but that’s it.

EstebanMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I also think that most fans, even ones that are somewhat more open to ‘stats’ haven’t fully absorbed that 1b/dh sluggers aren’t seen within the game the same way they were 10+ years ago AND get attached to guys with big power numbers so they’re confused about pete’s lack of a market. TBH though, most mets fans I know want Pete back but also think his demands (as far as we can understand them through media leaks) have been unreasonable, which is surprising to me because i know a lot of ‘old school’ style fans

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I also think there’s a New York angle to this. When Alonso comes up and breaks Judge’s rookie HR record, Mets fans are excited about their guy — and rightfully so. It ties a lot of emotion into Alonso, even more than your typical “our guy” stuff. Even though their careers have diverged — Aaron Judge has gone historic and Alonso has been tailing off — that initial feeling is still there.

Never underestimate the emotion of Mets fans when they feel like they actually “have” something over the Yankees (see Soto, Juan).

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

I don’t see much of a market for Alonso so I expect him to be back

The other side of this one is what you might describe as hurt feelings or regret (from the player perspective). Pete said no to an extension offer that was so much bigger than what he’s about to sign that he may need to go somewhere else for it to feel reasonable, rather than like being “negotiated down” by the same team. This also may be a result of agent pressure, of course.

Broken BatMember since 2020
1 year ago

Super, detailed article. Great writers at FG (all) but love Ben’s variable angles of which he creates in many of his writings. The inclusion of one-sided opt outs (players side) I think will need to balanced with team opts going forward for sure (like Soto).

I do believe similar to Montgomery last year Boras has miscalculated the demand for aging power, poor defense, and a middling batting average for the position of first base ( Alonso). First base or DH isn’t a supply shortage issue like SP1 or SS. Example: Montgomery should not have been considered a SP1 going into last year by anyone. His length of success was much too short and metrics somewhat questionable.Same as Martinez, an aging one trick pony. Both Monty’s and Martinez were plain and simple bad jobs by the respective front offices. They paid way too much etc. I think owners are beginning to see they can control this narrative being used by Boras. Let’s see in a new owner blinks on Bregman.

RonGTMember since 2020
1 year ago

What about mashing some of those together a bit more. How about a 2y $60M deal. (This is being bandied about by many as a fair break-even point for both sides right now) But wait… at the end of Year 1, the Mets have a deadline for a club option to extend Alonso for 2 additional years at 35M a piece. This 60+70 structure basically gets Pete the money he passed on in the original pre-Boras extension offer (Boras saying to Pete at a minimum I can get something that makes you whole). Now here’s the kicker. If the Mets decline the club option, Pete has the opportunity to opt out of the last year of his original 2-year deal…and the Mets have to pay him a $5M buyout. Massive assymetry and would you look at that, Boras just beat the $31.1M AAV target for first basemen. (We all know he likes re-setting his record norms).

In recap… if Pete plays PHENOMENAL in year 1, he just got himself a phenomenal 4-year, $130M deal. If Pete plays decent to-good like a 3-4 WAR player, we have drama/decisions, likely ending with Pete opting out, pocketing $35M and hitting the open market, trying to do this whole thing again but off a better platform year. If Pete is real bad in year 1, he plays out his $60M 2-year contract and hopes year 2 is better as a platform contract year. This seems within Boras’ “norms” but basically leaves Pete to either make $130M in 4 years or make a bunch of money and be set up to hit market with TWO chances at resetting his new contract year (year 1 or 2).

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
1 year ago

I suspect the big sticking point is the [reported] $158M deal from 2023 that never got signed.

Hard for Alonso psychologically to sign a lesser deal, because it’s an admission that he overplayed his hand. So Boras & co are trying to come up with something that they can sell as a “win” to their client. Since the $158M isn’t walking through that door, it’s got to be heavily front loaded with opt outs, so they can convince themselves that they’ll do this again next year and eventually get to that bogey.

Dave TMember since 2025
1 year ago

Right. Alonso made $20.5 million in his final arb year, so he’d need to make at least $138 million over the next 6 years to beat that offer.

That reported offer was, btw, when the Mets had a different GM (Eppler) and Alonso had a different agent.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago

I don’t think the Carlos Rodón signing with the Giants is the best example to use of an asymmetrical deal which benefits the player over the team. It is impossible to know what would’ve happpened had he remained with the Giants, but he was either really bad, or hurt, in the season after he opted out. And the Giants got a compensation pick, because the White Sox didn’t extend a QO to him after the 2021 season.
There is something that still annoys me with the Giants signing of Rodón to this day. It was an anonymous quote from an executive of a small market team who was bemoaning that their team can’t compete with the big market teams if even Rodón was getting $44 million over 2 years. I may have completely misremembered the quote, or made it up – I am an idiot, after all. Assuming the quote is true, then Rodón is exactly the type of pitcher that small market teams can get. Yes, there is a lot of risk with signing a pitcher who has put up less than 1 fWAR in four of the previous five seasons, amongst other red flags – but every free agent pitcher is a risk. But he had just come off a 5 fWAR season – pitchers with that ceiling aren’t normally available without a QO, and willing to accept a 2 year deal.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

The big problem with opt outs for a team is that they overreact and sign a player to a huge deal in order to void the opt out. So these “team option overrides” are a good compromise if you don’t trust your owner to not do something silly later. A lot of time if your guy opts out, the greater fool will pay them, and both of you win.

That deal was a huge win for the Giants.

Dave TMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s easy in a vacuum, before the decision comes, for a team to think “we’ll be happy with the banked performance upside if the player opts out”.

It takes a lot of discipline to follow that plan when the decision actually comes on a player who has performed well, and looking at a concrete set of other options (FA’s, available trades, prospect promotion) with their own risks.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

One other thing I will point out–Alonso has a QO, and I think this is making life difficult for him. Virtually any team that signs him is going to lose a second round pick of some kind. Teams without comp picks lose their second highest pick, and those that get the comp round picks lose their third highest pick, which is also almost always a second round pick. And teams that were luxury tax payers also lose international money.

I think you can debate whether this is rational or not, but I don’t think it’s an accident that the players who are the most likely to linger out there on the free agent market are the mid-tier guys with QOs. Flaherty is still out there, but Bregman, Alonso, and Pivetta are the other remaining three players and all of those guys have some red flags. For a guy like Juan Soto nobody cares about the draft pick compensation, because you’re getting a major difference maker. Justified or not, front offices do not think trading a future 40+ or 45 prospect for Pete Alonso is something they want to do unless they are getting a steep discount.

I personally overestimated the likelihood that an owner like Moreno or Kendrick would cave and give Alonso $140M or whatever. because those are the situations where teams don’t care about draft picks. I also thought that Cohen would just throw money because he does that. But it’s clear that the owners don’t see him as the sort of big name that would lead them to override or strongly suggest to their front office that they do this.

RonGTMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The QO is definitely playing a role and its hurting the longer this goes on. The value of that pick is fixed (you only lose the pick once) but the value of the contract varies based on length of deal. Re: Soto, losing a pick once is a drop in the bucket for maybe 15 years of an elite player — mentally we see the hit as impacting 1/15 of the contract.

As Alonso’s market has shrunk, it became clear the 5-6 year deal for $125M+ did not exist and everyone is in agreement now that it’s probably 3 years or less. His biggest problem now is that as the contract shrinks in years and he wants to compensate with the higher AAV, there simply isnt a smattering of small-market teams willing to jump into the pond and “take a shot” on a 2-year deal of Alonso where they ALSO give up that 45 FV prospect — the risk/reward ceases to exist at that price point…and it becomes extremely worse if Boras is standing his ground on opt outs for his client – which would mean even if you do great and “win” the deal – he opts out after just 1 year and you still lost your pick. There’s just not any mid-market teams that can stomach 30M and a lost 2nd rounder for 1 year of a power bat – hes just not enough to put anyone over the top.

At the end of the day, I can only see the Mets or a surprise team that has already signed a QO FA (like the Yankees, Giants, Jays, Athletics) reasonably coming in at this stage and none are a great fit for one reason or another so none will be inclined to overpay. It feels like now that Boras and Alonso are backed into a corner, they would rather wait to see a ST injury befall a contender at 1B or DH and quickly pull together an incentive-laden deal than to have to eat their pride and take a “half” contract from the Mets (compared to the original extension offer).

EstebanMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  RonGT

very insightful comments by both you and sadtrombone

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  RonGT

IIRC if you sign a second player with a QO, you lose your second-highest pick again, it’s just the “new” second highest pick. I don’t think losing a third round pick matters anywhere as much as a second-round pick but I bet you teams will treat it the same. Too easy to dream on what player you can get there. I also think you lose more international bonus money if you paid the luxury tax, so I’m pretty sure the Yankees and Giants and anyone else who paid in 2024 is going to be nervous about that.

RonGTMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yes its the next highest pick after the one already given. I forget the international bonus escalators (I think it does go up after pick 1) but its probably enough to take a team like the Yankees out of the mix, particularly the PR backlash after already signing Goldy. This strangely leaves me looking at either the Mets (no real QO impact other than they dont get one from someone else), the Jays (Santander on the QO, but they made that Guards trade for more International bonus pool for Sasaki so theyre probably flush there if theyre in the tax), and (nobody is talking about this) the Athletics? I can kind of squint and see the A’s doing that with everything they are dealing with in payroll backlash. Which for Alonso…WOOF… going from New York fan favorite to an aging mercenary for Sacramento. I’d fire Boras immediately.

Dave TMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

For teams that paid CBT the prior year, 1st QO player signed costs 2nd and 5th highest picks plus $1 million from IFA pool.

2nd QO player costs 3rd and 6th highest picks.

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/qualifying-offer

So I can understand some reluctance to do the 2nd signing. The value of the picks is lower, but it means having a year where draft picks – and draft bonus pool – keep only 2 out of team’s 6 highest picks (keep 1st and 4th).

Though the Yankees are in a position where one of the picks they’re losing is a pick they got (after 4th round) from Soto signing with the Mets.

RonGTMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Dave T

So no added loss of IFA pool after the first QO FA is signed. And 3 tiers of team types –
Tax payors: 2nd/5th picks ($1M IFA) for 1st FA, 3rd/6th for 2nd FA, then nothing
Middle: 2nd pick ($500K IFA) for 1st FA, 3rd for 2nd FA then nothing
Revenue Receivers: 3nd pick for 1st FA, 4rd for 2nd FA then nothing

There is an element of in for a penny in for a pound then with some of these teams who already have a QO FA, particularly if not a tax payor. Going to laugh uproariously when the Athletics come in hot and sign Alonso and Flaherty back to back when their markets completely disintegrate.

Broken BatMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  RonGT

Agree with your logic, and point out how Snell, Martinez, Montgomery all came out if the gate with late to none Spring Training. Multiple mistakes by Boras in consecutive years IMO. Clearly Soto didn’t need Boris as the owners were bidding against themselves. Just wait for the offers to come in. IMO, The true worth of the agent is dealing with these tier 2 guys or tier ones that are aging.These situations can be where an agent actually negotiates more for the player. In the top shelf guys, it is just waiting for the offers to review. I don’t think that Boras is serving his lower tier players or aging guys that well.

treebeardedMember since 2019
1 year ago

Thanks for this thought experiment. I was happily stunned by the specificity of Cohen’s comment last weekend – it was a window into the negotiation process that you never get to see, and it was a bit of a “lifting of the veil” over ownership that gets you to see their perspective as businesspeople and not just “rich, greedy billionaires.”

But I didn’t have any idea what Cohen meant, so, as a baseball fan and especially as a Mets fan, I appreciate that you tried to recreate what might have been going on here behind the scenes. I certainly hope Alonso returns, and perhaps someone on the Mets reads this article or already has some of these structures in mind, and can break the stalemate between the two.

Flakysouthpaw
1 year ago

Imanaga has the opposite of that Kikuchi deal where he has an opt out but the Cubs can override it by picking up a larger option. Similar to Cole, although I was a little surprised the Yankees didn’t tell Cole to go pound sand. Something like that could work for the Mets and Alonso.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Flakysouthpaw

Similar to Cole, although I was a little surprised the Yankees didn’t tell Cole to go pound sand. 

To be fair, the Yankees declined to pick up the option, so there was absolutely a window where it could have gone differently. Cole pushed his chips in and the Yankees said no, then both sides panicked. It was weird.

Roman AjzenMember since 2020
1 year ago

Can you please send this to AJ Preller? He loves to just hand out options that leave the Padres holding the entire downside risk. The only structure unacceptable to Ben was given to Profar, Nick Martinez and Wandy Peralta (ugh). Thankfully, his scouting acumen meant we came out ok on the first two. The “Cliff Diver” was the awful Hosmer contract, though personally I blame Seidler for that. Good news is we’re almost done with that deal!

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago

The thing I really don’t understand about this negotiation isn’t the contract structure — it’s the information asymmetry. Presumably what the Mets really want is just for Alonso to go get his best offer elsewhere, and then give them an opportunity to top it. I have to conclude from how this is going that his market has absolutely cratered, his offers from other teams are awful, and Boras is playing his usual games to try to paper over that fact. Is there a better explanation? What stops the Mets from just waiting him out?

Dave TMember since 2025
1 year ago

That’s a solid point. This sort of information asymmetry is common in markets with private negotiations and multiple possible bidders (real estate, most corporate M&A).

Another aspect is the game theory of Cohen/Stearns and Boras all being repeat players in the FA process. Boras of course has other clients, and the Mets will negotiate with him again.

There’s some future value for Cohen/Stearns in establishing that they’ll sometimes stick to their offer and call Boras’ bluff. In other words, concrete evidence that they’ll balk at negotiating against themselves.

Which comes back to setting negotiation/bidding strategy based on “2nd best option”.

The Mets seem fairly comfortable with their 2nd best option of playing Vientos at 1B and one or more of their younger players at 3B. With the potential for a longer-term high-cost/high-upside option such as signing Vlad Jr. in FA after this season.

You, like me, are skeptical that Alonso has another option with equal, much less better, financial terms than the Mets’ offer.

Pride/ego of course can influence negotiating strategy as well. Nobody likes to feel that they’re being played for a sucker.

It all adds up to a situation where it seems to make a lot of sense for Cohen/Stearns to call Boras’ bluff.

Last edited 1 year ago by Dave T
Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  Dave T

Yup. And as you point out (and other people have discussed more articulately than I did) we have to remember that Boras’s interests aren’t identical to his client’s. There’s value for the agent in the long term taking a hard line even if this individual negotiation doesn’t end up as a win. In the last few years we’ve seen Boras rack up more losses than usual for his lower-middle tier FAs, and I would personally advise guys like them not to sign with him for this reason, but players can choose, and it’s arguably even a rational gamble for them to go with his high-variance, big-win style into free agency.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I’m pretty sure that if you’re switching your representation to Scott Boras after having someone else as an agent, you’re probably aware of this.

And I’m also pretty sure that Scott Boras truly believes that everything he is doing is right for the client. He’s had a ton of success and gotten way more for many of his clients than anyone expected.

All of this is different than whether it is a good idea to have him as your agent, but a lot of this is going to depend on your tolerance for risk.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Sure, tolerance for risk is one way to put it. Another is that these guys are athletes, and their approach to their finances is probably not exactly that of homo economicus, to put it mildly. They’re likely to favor the betting-on-yourself approach to an irrational degree, to be drawn to the Boras big-swinging-dick negotiating style to an irrational degree, and so on, even under the best of circumstances. I feel like there’s an unusually strong argument that Pete is getting taken for a bit of a ride here, given how much it seems like (a) he’s been led to overvalue himself to his own detriment, but (b) he really would prefer to stay in Queens for the long term.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

Maybe he does want to stay in Queens for the long term, or maybe the kid from Tampa just really can’t see himself playing in Toronto. Or maybe—and this is my working theory—Alonso has not gotten an offer from a single other MLB team because he’s not a priority and they’re just checking in to see if he would accept a one year deal.

bart41Member since 2023
1 year ago

I propose D) 3 year, $70M with club option for 2/40M on the backend and a player option for 2/20M if the team declines the 2/40M

Jeremy FoxMember since 2026
1 year ago

Of course, it might be that both Boras and Cohen are spinning/exaggerating/lying about the other side’s contract proposals. But that premise wouldn’t make for an entertaining article.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
1 year ago

The way I read it, Alonso had a few outs going into the offseason:

  • Mets would meet his demands on emotional/PR reasons
  • Mets would not be OK with the “slide Vientos to first and figure 3B out later” plan
  • Mets would “lose” Juan Soto to the Yankees and be desperate to get headlines
  • Yankees would “lose” Juan Soto to the Mets and be desperate to get headlines

The moment the Yanks took their Juan Soto money and handed it to Max Fried, Alonso was screwed. The Mets were already digging in and had just signed Juan freakin’ Soto, so they had all the PR they needed. If he had any sense at all, he had to know a deal like what he was looking for wasn’t out there outside of NY. Between team needs and team resources, it just wasn’t going to happen.

This is the downside of the proverbial “bet on yourself”.

Erick
1 year ago

I think it might make sense for a one-year pillow contract with the Mets (say, $30/1 year). A big overpay, but Petey can’t receive another qualifying offer, so there would be more competition next offseason.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago

I don’t like opt-outs in any contract and for that reason I hold Jose Ramirez and Bryce Harper in extremely high regard. These great players never considered putting the onus on the teams they signed with. They knew that there is a lot more to enjoying life than mere money and are beloved in the cities they are going to end their careers in. This is absolutely the case with Pete Alonso. He BELONGS with the Mets as much as the other players I mentioned belong with their cities, not just their teams!!!!!!

raregokusMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I get that you’re being emotional here, but this comes off as an extremely anti-player stance imo

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  raregokus

I don’t think we are talking about more than pocket change in the relevance of the monetary differences that are being thrown around. Does it make any difference whether Pete Alonso makes an additional few million? The reality is that it doesn’t. He and all the generations of his family to come will never have to worry about where their next meal is coming from. What should count is where will Pete enjoy the remainder of his career the most and I can’t believe there is anywhere close to the Mets. He is an icon of the 1st magnitude and that cannot be replicated in any other situation. I cannot speak for him however IMHO the pursuit of happiness would be the determining factor if I were in his shoes.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I get where you’re coming from emotionally, but this is not a well-reasoned position. We’re talking about tens of millions of dollars here, which is not “pocket change” by any definition. Even if you’re right about the increase in wealth buying him zero marginal personal happiness, still: if that money goes straight to Pete’s favorite charities, it’s enough to take good care of a lot of shelter dogs, school lunches, and/or wounded veterans.

Your counterexamples are a weirdly mixed bag, too. Ramirez arguably took a big hometown discount to do what you’re saying and prioritize stability and loyalty. Harper, though, went for top dollar on the open market — to a different team!

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago

Harper did, of course, change teams but he made it a point to not have any opt outs in his long term contract when he did make his choice.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

So it’s okay to be a free agent, but only once? What if a player can’t get a 10-year contract? I don’t see how this makes sense to you. Opt-outs are not that conceptually different from just signing shorter-term deals with extensions.

Astromets
1 year ago

Unless the contract is for just 2 years for a sub-33 year old player, I prefer the “Soto path” over the “Cole path.” In other words, I’d rather see the team have the ability to void an opt-out by guaranteeing more money for the existing contract term rather than extending the contract with additional years.

This approach makes even more sense for someone like Alonso. I’d be more inclined to agree to a slight pay increase over the remaining contract if he opts out, rather than committing to a longer deal. Using Ben’s 5/$100M example: if Alonso opts out after year two, I’d prefer the Mets to have the ability to negate it by raising the average annual value to $25–$27 million per year for the remaining years, rather than extending the deal by two additional years at $20 million per year. This strategy is cheaper overall and reduces the risk of overpaying in the later years of the contract.

Additionally, if Alonso’s priority is maximizing his lifetime earnings—not just his next contract—staying with the Mets is clearly his best option. Moving to another team and continuing to decline could jeopardize his sponsorship deals, particularly post-career opportunities. Conversely, staying with the Mets would position him to become the franchise’s all-time home run leader and potentially earn a retired number. If the Mets win a title with Alonso, his legacy would be cemented, and his post-career sponsorship opportunities would be abundant.

On a separate note, if Alonso’s goal has shifted to taking a short-term deal and testing the market again next year, I believe he’s still misreading his value and/or receiving bad advice from Scotty B. Next year’s market will be highly competitive, with Vladito and Murakami likely at the top, along with solid options like Arraez and Naylor, both of whom will be multiple years younger than Alonso.

While I personally believe Alonso has several great seasons left—especially after his strong postseason showing—I don’t think teams will be eager to pay him the premium he’s likely seeking given his notable limitations even with a great 2025 season. This combination of a crowded market and his profile will hurt his chances of ever landing the deal he envisions. It’s unfortunate for Pete, but there aren’t any Billy Eppler’s out there ready to offer him 7/$158 for a reason – that’s just not a good deal for the team.

Last edited 1 year ago by Astromets
ThomasMember since 2017
1 year ago

Very good, well-written and reasoned piece, Ben. Thank you.