Let’s Make Some Deadline Trades! (2026 Edition)

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If you’re a baseball fan, the end of July means one thing: Trades. That’s right, we’re less than a week away from this year’s deadline, which is set for Monday at 6 p.m. ET, and there’s plenty of action still to unfold. Even a real snoozer of a deadline tends to have at least a few big deals, and so far, the only real needle mover swap made was the fascinating challenge trade that sent Connelly Early from the Red Sox to the Nationals for Curtis Mead.

While we don’t know precisely what will actually happen, since there are no such things as oracles, we have an idea that something will occur, making the trade deadline the ideal time for wish-casting and imagineering. As I do every year, I whip up some trade scenarios that are plausible and productive. We usually get fun additional trade discussion in the comments, so make sure to check those out and maybe even add your own. I’d also suggest letting me know when I give up too much or too little in a trade.

The Los Angeles Dodgers acquire SP Tarik Skubal from the Detroit Tigers for SP Emmet Sheehan, OF Zyhir Hope, and OF Ching-Hsien Ko.

I think in the end, the Tigers will trade Tarik Skubal for the best package they can get. Sure, they’ve snuck into the back of a lackluster AL wild card race, but is sneaking into the playoffs at 80-82 really worth losing what they would get in return for their ace? The Dodgers are a team that likes pushing in their chips to add a legitimate star, and in their quest to snag the first World Series three-peat of the 21st century, getting Skubal would be an all-in move. Emmet Sheehan is a good enough starting pitcher that trading Skubal for him wouldn’t necessarily signal a complete surrender, and because he’s under club control through the 2029 season, the Tigers would be adding someone who could boost their rotation for the next few years, too. Zyhir Hope is an excellent prospect, but Josue De Paula and Mike Sirota are both ahead of him in the pecking order for the Dodgers, whereas in Detroit, he could easily be in the 2027 starting lineup. That’s already a lot of value for Skubal, I feel, so the last inclusion is a relatively low-impact prospect in Ching-Hsien Ko, who at only 19 years old is already a pretty big dude — listed at 6-foot-3 and 215 pounds. Ko has real power upside and could have more value for an organization like the Tigers, who I don’t think will want to be on the Spencer Torkelson train much longer.

ZiPS Projection – Emmet Sheehan
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2027 6 6 4.24 23 20 104.0 90 49 15 36 111 101 1.3
2028 6 6 4.23 23 20 104.3 92 49 15 36 108 101 1.3
2029 6 6 4.22 23 20 106.7 94 50 14 36 107 101 1.3

ZiPS Projection – Zyhir Hope
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .247 .308 .402 542 75 134 24 3 18 72 48 167 11 97 1.1
2028 .249 .311 .410 542 77 135 24 3 19 74 49 158 12 99 1.3
2029 .255 .318 .423 541 79 138 25 3 20 76 50 150 11 105 1.7
2030 .254 .318 .424 540 80 137 25 2 21 78 51 144 11 105 1.7
2031 .257 .323 .429 538 81 138 26 2 21 79 53 139 10 108 1.9
2032 .257 .323 .435 538 81 138 26 2 22 80 53 135 9 109 1.9

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ZiPS Projection – Ching-Hsien Ko
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .237 .325 .326 337 44 80 15 3 3 35 39 99 2 83 0.0
2028 .239 .329 .327 352 47 84 16 3 3 38 42 100 2 85 0.1
2029 .241 .330 .338 370 51 89 18 3 4 40 44 101 2 88 0.2
2030 .242 .332 .340 306 42 74 15 3 3 34 37 81 2 89 0.2
2031 .243 .334 .344 259 36 63 13 2 3 29 32 66 2 91 0.2
2032 .247 .336 .356 219 31 54 11 2 3 25 27 55 1 94 0.3

The Chicago Cubs acquire SP Sandy Alcantara from the Miami Marlins for CF Kane Kepley, P Dominick Reid, and P Mason McGwire.

Coming into the season there was real cause for concern about the Cubs’ pitching staff, and those worries have only increased since April. Cade Horton is out for the season, and Justin Steele’s recovery has been slow enough that if he gets major league innings at all this year, they’re almost certainly not going to be as a starter. Ben Brown and Edward Cabrera are both expected to return from their injuries, but if there are any setbacks, it’ll be too late for the Cubs to acquire a pitcher to replace them. For that reason, now’s the time for Chicago to add one. Alcantara has not returned to his pre-injury form, but he throws a lot of innings, something every team needs, and the Cubs have a defense good enough that they ought to worry less than almost every other team in baseball about all the balls in play that he allows. ZiPS projects Alcantara to put up more 2027 WAR playing for the Cubs or Cardinals than any other team, and I don’t think the Cardinals are going to be aggressive buyers, leaving the Cubs as the best fit.

Unlike a rental superstar like Skubal or a regular star with a year or two of cost control, the Marlins shouldn’t expect a haul for Alcantara. But Kane Kepley is a very good outfield prospect who is a bit redundant on a Cubs team that employs Pete Crow-Armstrong. I think the Marlins will insist on getting back some pitching in the trade, but I don’t think the Cubs would even consider giving up someone like Jaxon Wiggins for Alcantara. Dominick Reid and Mason McGwire are real prospects, just not at the top of the food chain in this system.

ZiPS Projection – Sandy Alcantara
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2027 10 8 3.86 28 28 179.3 166 77 18 46 138 105 2.4

ZiPS Projection – Kane Kepley
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .223 .310 .340 533 110 119 23 9 7 67 45 109 31 82 1.5
2028 .229 .315 .348 506 106 116 23 8 7 66 43 100 30 85 1.7
2029 .232 .319 .352 500 107 116 23 8 7 67 44 96 30 88 1.8
2030 .241 .328 .370 432 95 104 21 7 7 59 38 81 26 95 2.0
2031 .240 .329 .367 387 85 93 19 6 6 54 35 71 23 95 1.8
2032 .241 .328 .371 348 76 84 17 5 6 49 31 63 20 95 1.6

The Milwaukee Brewers acquire SP Freddy Peralta from the New York Mets for 1B Blake Burke and OF Jett Williams.

I swear that I’m not just trying to troll by undoing part of the Freddy Peralta trade, as this is a swap that would make sense for both clubs. This season is all but officially over for the Mets, and Peralta is headed to free agency after the World Series. He’s been mediocre enough that they are not going to get any top prospects for him unless a team absolutely loves him. The Brewers are obviously quite familiar with him and may be in the best position to get him back to typical form for the last two months. But even if he isn’t the ace he was last year, he is someone that can eat some innings down the stretch, which is highly useful given Milwaukee’s young rotation. Jett Williams has lost a lot of his prospect value this season, but if he claws any back, there are more open spots for him next year with the Mets than with the Brewers. Blake Burke is an interesting prospect who is close enough to the majors to have some appeal to the Mets, who don’t appear to be counting on Mark Vientos for much of anything at this point. If Burke hits his upside, he’d certainly provide some value for the Mets in the near future, but he probably doesn’t bring enough to the table that the Brewers would refuse to include him in a trade for Peralta. I’m more optimistic on Burke than ZiPS is, and less optimistic on Williams.

ZiPS Projection – Blake Burke
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .231 .295 .376 545 60 126 24 2 17 72 44 180 13 89 -0.1
2028 .234 .299 .385 530 60 124 24 1 18 73 44 168 12 92 0.3
2029 .238 .304 .393 517 60 123 24 1 18 73 44 157 11 96 0.5
2030 .242 .308 .399 459 53 111 22 1 16 66 40 136 9 99 0.6
2031 .240 .308 .396 404 47 97 19 1 14 58 36 118 7 98 0.5
2032 .241 .307 .398 349 40 84 17 1 12 50 31 101 6 98 0.4

ZiPS Projection – Jett Williams
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .225 .312 .372 529 84 119 24 6 14 70 61 152 20 93 1.6
2028 .229 .317 .382 536 88 123 25 6 15 73 63 148 19 97 1.9
2029 .233 .320 .387 545 91 127 26 5 16 76 64 144 19 99 2.2
2030 .237 .324 .397 552 93 131 27 5 17 79 65 140 19 103 2.5
2031 .238 .324 .399 554 93 132 28 5 17 80 65 136 18 104 2.5
2032 .239 .325 .397 549 93 131 28 4 17 79 65 133 17 104 2.5

The Chicago White Sox acquire 1B/DH Rafael Devers from the San Francisco Giants for SS Billy Carlson, with the Giants paying a whole lot of money in the deal.

The Giants haven’t finished above .500 since that wacky 2021 season, and I suspect that they’re at the stage where they’re going to cut their losses with some of their veterans. Rafael Devers has hit quite well since a miserable April — entering play Monday, he’s slashing .265/.347/.570 with 20 home runs and a 147 wRC+ across 317 plate appearances since the start of May — but if he were a free agent this offseason, I practically guarantee that nobody would offer him a seven-year contract worth $211 million, about what he’s owed after this season. Even so, I think the right suitor would be happy to pay him half of that. The White Sox still have a good farm system after their various graduations this year, but they don’t really have a lot on the easy side of the defensive spectrum, and Devers would be really fun as the DH for the Sox. Bringing in Devers to take Andrew Benintendi’s playing time would greatly improve Chicago’s offense, and he’s simply better suited for Guaranteed Rate Field (I really hate writing that name) than Oracle Park. Plus, since I’m a student of history, it feels a bit like adding Richie Zisk as a modern take on the South Side Hitmen. Since the Giants are paying a truckload of cash in the deal, I’m having them pay enough to actually get a pretty decent prospect, Billy Carlson, in return.

ZiPS Projection – Rafael Devers (DH)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .260 .352 .494 561 90 146 30 1 33 95 74 143 4 134 3.6
2028 .256 .350 .479 539 85 138 28 1 30 88 72 137 3 130 3.1
2029 .249 .342 .460 515 78 128 26 1 27 80 68 132 3 123 2.5
2030 .244 .338 .440 484 70 118 24 1 23 71 63 126 2 116 1.9
2031 .234 .327 .410 444 61 104 21 0 19 61 57 118 2 106 1.1
2032 .229 .320 .394 376 50 86 17 0 15 49 47 103 1 99 0.6
2033 .224 .315 .380 303 38 68 14 0 11 38 37 83 1 94 0.3

The Cleveland Guardians acquire OF JJ Bleday and 1B Nathaniel Lowe from the Cincinnati Reds for OF Kahlil Watson, C Jacob Cozart, and RP Franco Aleman.

I still sort of like Kyle Manzardo, but he’s been absolutely dreadful this season, as has Rhys Hoskins, making for a really depressing platoon at first base for the Guardians. If they’re going to have another miracle second half, they need to find offense right now, but it’s unlikely they’ll blow a huge hole in their budget or farm system to do so. Considering these constraints, JJ Bleday and Nathaniel Lowe both represent real short-term improvements, and Bleday can stick around after the season as he’ll be entering only his second year of arbitration eligibility. I feel this represents a pretty good return for two very low-key signings this spring, as Kahlil Watson’s cup of coffee in the majors isn’t indicative of his power-speed upside. The Reds could use Jacob Cozart as a stopgap catcher to tandem with Jose Trevino in 2027 with Tyler Stephenson heading for free agency, and Franco Aleman is an interesting reliever, though raw enough that it would be hard for the Guardians to trust him with high-leverage innings right now.

ZiPS Projection – JJ Bleday
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .239 .334 .435 519 76 124 29 2 23 76 72 131 4 114 2.3
2028 .236 .330 .422 509 72 120 28 2 21 72 70 129 4 110 1.9

ZiPS Projection – Kahlil Watson
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .226 .303 .409 535 74 121 24 4 22 81 53 191 22 91 1.4
2028 .231 .309 .417 515 74 119 24 3 22 82 53 175 21 95 1.6
2029 .235 .314 .428 514 76 121 24 3 23 84 54 168 21 99 1.9
2030 .237 .318 .431 510 76 121 24 3 23 84 55 162 20 101 1.9
2031 .240 .321 .437 504 76 121 24 3 23 84 55 156 19 103 2.1
2032 .239 .322 .436 493 74 118 24 2 23 82 55 151 17 103 2.0

ZiPS Projection – Jacob Cozart
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .213 .288 .340 536 57 114 19 2 15 65 51 167 1 70 0.6
2028 .216 .291 .347 490 52 106 18 2 14 62 47 148 1 73 0.9
2029 .222 .298 .360 514 57 114 19 2 16 67 50 151 1 78 1.3
2030 .223 .299 .364 506 56 113 19 2 16 68 50 146 1 79 1.4
2031 .222 .297 .359 501 56 111 19 1 16 68 49 142 1 77 1.3
2032 .223 .300 .366 484 54 108 19 1 16 66 48 136 1 80 1.4

ZiPS Projection – Franco Aleman
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2027 3 3 4.34 45 0 45.7 40 22 7 17 54 98 0.1
2028 3 4 4.25 48 0 48.7 42 23 7 18 57 100 0.2
2029 3 4 4.18 50 0 51.7 44 24 7 19 59 102 0.2
2030 3 4 4.15 51 0 52.0 44 24 7 19 58 103 0.2
2031 3 4 4.24 51 0 51.0 45 24 7 19 56 101 0.2
2032 3 4 4.32 50 0 50.0 44 24 6 19 54 99 0.1

The New York Yankees acquire C Tyler Stephenson, SS/3B Tyson Lewis, and OF Dane Myers from the Cincinnati Reds for SS Anthony Volpe.

If there’s a way to get Anthony Volpe back to the player it looked like he’d be a few years ago, I’m not sure the Yankees are the organization to help him figure it out. So it might make sense at this point to get some value for Volpe as he heads into his last two years of team control. I still like Austin Wells long term, but the catcher position has been downright ugly for the Yankees this year, and they could use some short-term depth in their injury-depleted outfield. I think Tyler Stephenson and Dane Myers could fit the bill, and Volpe still has enough upside potential that a real prospect, though not a top one, ought to be included rather than only an OK short-term rental and a fourth outfielder. Tyson Lewis is a ways off, but he fits the bill as a potential power-speed combo infielder. I’m not sure the Reds want to keep waiting for the revival of 2023 Matt McLain, and I’d be interested to see them try out Volpe at second.

ZiPS Projection – Anthony Volpe
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .240 .304 .399 542 72 130 30 4 16 67 48 143 22 89 2.5
2028 .240 .306 .397 521 71 125 28 3 16 65 47 134 20 89 2.5

ZiPS Projection – Dane Myers
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .247 .325 .376 482 68 119 18 1 14 67 50 130 18 96 1.9
2028 .241 .320 .363 444 61 107 16 1 12 60 46 121 16 91 1.5
2029 .240 .318 .363 408 55 98 15 1 11 53 42 113 13 91 1.3

ZiPS Projection – Tyson Lewis
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .221 .267 .342 561 71 124 18 7 12 74 29 227 19 69 0.1
2028 .229 .276 .360 558 74 128 20 7 13 78 30 212 19 77 0.7
2029 .234 .282 .374 569 78 133 21 7 15 83 32 203 19 82 1.2
2030 .235 .285 .379 567 80 133 22 6 16 86 34 192 19 84 1.4
2031 .237 .288 .389 566 81 134 23 6 17 88 35 182 19 88 1.8
2032 .236 .290 .385 564 82 133 23 5 17 89 37 175 18 87 1.7

The Arizona Diamondbacks acquire SP Kevin Gausman from the Toronto Blue Jays for OF Druw Jones and SP Mitch Bratt.

For a while, I thought the Blue Jays would get things back on track, but at 19-27 since the start of June, they’re as close to having the worst AL record as they are to a playoff spot. Considering all the talent on their roster and how close they came to a World Series last year, the Jays are unlikely to blow up their team and initiate a rebuild, but Kevin Gausman is a free agent at the end of the season, making him expendable. The Diamondbacks could use a bat, but I’ve already given the most interesting ones away — the Astros aren’t trading Yordan Alvarez — and another pitcher would be equally welcome. Druw Jones isn’t the prospect he once was, but the Jays could use some long-term outfield depth, especially of the athletic variety, and the organization has a long history of accumulating close relatives of former big leaguers. That being said, Jones probably isn’t enough, and his first-round hype is about gone at this point, so I’m also sending Mitch Bratt, who has struggled in his debut in Arizona. I still think Bratt will be a decent third or fourth starter and innings eater, but his ceiling is limited. I don’t love him as much as ZiPS does.

ZiPS Projection – Druw Jones
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .226 .300 .310 535 63 121 21 3 6 50 55 196 16 72 0.4
2028 .230 .303 .315 527 62 121 21 3 6 52 54 182 16 74 0.5
2029 .236 .309 .330 521 64 123 22 3 7 53 54 172 17 79 1.0
2030 .236 .311 .325 471 58 111 20 2 6 49 50 150 15 79 0.8
2031 .240 .316 .336 429 54 103 19 2 6 45 46 133 13 83 1.0
2032 .238 .313 .331 387 47 92 17 2 5 41 42 117 12 81 0.7

ZiPS Projection – Mitch Bratt
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2027 5 6 4.18 23 22 120.7 115 56 18 35 103 102 1.4
2028 6 5 4.00 23 22 119.3 109 53 16 35 102 106 1.6
2029 6 4 3.87 22 21 118.7 106 51 15 34 102 110 1.8
2030 6 4 3.76 22 21 117.3 104 49 14 32 101 113 1.9
2031 6 4 3.72 22 21 118.7 104 49 14 32 101 114 2.0
2032 6 4 3.69 22 21 117.0 102 48 13 31 99 115 2.0





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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StephenMember since 2017
2 days ago

I was against trading Skubal until last night’s game. Every time the lead was reduced to 1 run the O’s got insurance runs. I am not a tear it down fan, but I do think threading the needle may not totally lose the clubhouse.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 days ago
Reply to  Stephen

It should lose the clubhouse

PC1970Member since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

then maybe the team needs to play better.

Not trying to be sarcastic, but, the subpar play through 107 games has put them in this position.

Remember, the year started out with them being very aggressive- Signed Valdez, Torres, Kenley, Finnegan. Not management’s fault too many guys have gotten hurt/underperformed.

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  PC1970

Maybe lose the clubhouse, but we’ve also seen teams that have sold at the deadline go on a run.

PC1970Member since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  dangledangle

In fact, they did it just 2 years ago. Traded Flaherty & a few others & then got hot & won the division.

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  PC1970

Yes! Totally forgot the Tigers already have done that recently. I’m sure the players understand the situation it’s not unusual.

PC1970Member since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  Stephen

Ditto except I’d make it more the last 3 games- On Saturday AM, I was thinking they should smartly buy a reliever or 2.

Then the BP (which has blown 17 games Detroit was leading in the 7th inning or later) blew Saturday AND Sunday & then last night was another pitching debacle…& now Carpenter is on the IL, too, which weakens the mid offense even more.

All of a sudden, down to 50-57 & I just don’t see how this team can win a playoff series, much less 4, with the terrible bullpen they have.

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  Stephen

I think they need to trade him. I’d love for him to play the rest of the season for the Tigers, but it would be malpractice not to trade him if they get a good offer.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 days ago
Reply to  dangledangle

It most certainly would be major malpractice. If the Tigers don’t trade Skubal they are still looking at a small, or even miniscule, chance to reach the wild card series. It makes no mathematical sense to not make moves that could be franchise changing in the near future. Dan’s deal is close to the one I proposed last week with Hope, Sheehan and another piece and seems to fit the Dodgers situation. I will be very surprised, shocked, if this doesn’t go down.

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I keep thinking about the Angels and Shohei Ohtani where they did the complete opposite of what they needed too. Then towards the end the season we got a bunch of players waived.

Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
17 hours ago
Reply to  Stephen

Using Kyle Finnegan to lock down Skubal’s potential last win and gem for the Tigers was a colossal blunder. As a Nationals fan, I looked at the score 7-1 Tigers, 2 out, two men on for Baltimore and saw Finnegan was coming in and I said, “well, the Orioles will be tying up or winning this game soon….”

Somehow, Detroit found a way to lose an un-loseable game. I will be sad if the filthy rich Dodgers get Skubal.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago

I think:

-The Dodgers – Tigers trade makes so much sense. The Dodgers are busy leaking like crazy to every media outlet that they aren’t trading for Skubal but I am not sure I buy it.

-The Marlins will demand more for Alcantara with them sort of being on the edge of the wild card race

-That the Mets are probably looking at a weaker return for Peralta. And although it makes a ton of sense to to do a Peralta for Jett Williams deal for literally everyone involved I think the Mets are probably lower on Williams than the Brewers (which is part of why the trade happened in the first place)

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And Peralta isn’t good enough to win playoff games as the best player on the team.

Alcantara would make more sense for the Brewers and Peralta for the Cubs.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Peralta would be at best a #3 on the Brewers. He makes sense for them because he has had success with them in the past but I think his market will be weak.

I don’t know if the Marlins are selling at all, but if they are I think someone tops that for Alcantara. He is also more of a #3 at this point but I think teams are convinced they can “fix” him.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Sorry I meant the best player on the team the day he pitches. Like Madison Bumgarner

g4Member since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Looking at 2026 performance only (kinda important at this point), Sandy has pitched like a legit #3. Peralta … has not. He looks like a #5 with no signs of an imminent switch flip. I agree it would be surprising to see him bring back a 45 and a 40+, and I suspect the Brewers themselves would prefer Clay Holmes.

Now, if the Mets want to pair Freddy with Brooks Raley or AJ Minter, let’s goooo!

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 days ago
Reply to  g4

Yes, I think this would be the smart deadline approach for the Mets — they can bundle guys to the point where the total package is a playoff difference-maker.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  g4

I think Burke is probably more of a 45+ at this point, in the same range as Fischer. So I definitely don’t think the Brewers would do that.

A 45 or 45+ prospect for Peralta seems fair to me. I am not sure I would want to give up much more than that for Alcantara either if I were a buyer and there is almost zero chance he gets moved without a stronger return than that.

Foster Griffin and Dustin May and Gausman are all in that range if their teams sell. Guys who are *maybe* a number 3 for you, but it’s not looking likely. But all of those teams (plus the Marlins) aren’t totally out of it yet so they can just walk away if it doesn’t reach whatever price they want. No guarantee any team offers them enough, whatever that is. Kind of leaning that way for them now.

warpath
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Agreed on the Dodger-Tigers trade making tons of sense. For the Dodgers, the appeal is obvious, as you go all-in for the 3-peat and maybe get a slight leg up on pursuing Skubal in FA. For the Tigers, Sheehan is obviously not as good as Skubal but he can slot into the rotation right now with room to get better over the next few years, and then you also get the younger prospects who could help in future years. It’s a move that I think you could sell to the fanbase and the locker room, particularly if Sheehan is solid down the stretch.

Peralta and Williams being traded for each other again so soon would be massively funny, but I agree that the Mets probably don’t want to reacquire Williams and will look elsewhere.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  warpath

Sheehan is having a bit of a down year but he’s awfully good when he’s on. He’s basically a #4 based on this season with giving up a lot of homers. If you think that whatever he is doing is correctable you have a playoff-caliber pitcher.

I think there are variations on this theme that other teams could do like Sproat / Williams for Skubal (now *that* would be funny) but I think Sheehan is a separator.

warpath
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah, with Sheehan the ERA looks kinda bad this year at 4.95, but he’s sitting at a 4.42 FIP/4.00 xFIP/3.79 xERA/3.70 SIERA. You can definitely work with a K%-BB% of 19. The real issue with him at the MLB level has been health, but the talent has always been there.

Sheehan is also really appealing to me if I’m the Tigers because he can help immediately this and next year, and they’re going to need help with likely Skubal and Mize moving on. This Detroit team has plenty of talent and could actually retool quickly, they have a ton of money potential coming off the books this offseason in Skubal, Mize, Flaherty, Verlander, Torres, Drew Anderson, and Kenley Jansen.

mattMember since 2023
2 days ago
Reply to  warpath

I do not agree with the assessment the Tigers have plenty of talent when taking the FA’s out of the table, also I would definitely pick up the Anderson club option, he has the look of a mid rotation starter or high leverage reliever with a filthy changeup. But look at the rotation, Melton looks good but is he elite? Probably not. Framber/Sheehan is a fine 4/5 unless Framber gets back what he used to be. So you are missing at least a 1 and a 3 if not a 1 and a 2. And they aren’t going to pay for a 1. Position player core is obvious but they need to fill other gaps better with Carpenter falling off a cliff

warpath
2 days ago
Reply to  matt

They should get some young guys like Reece Olson and Jackson Jobe back from injury, which will help. There are holes for sure, but I think a quick turnaround is possible.

They will still have Greene, McGonigle, and Dingler under control for multiple years, which is a pretty decent position player core and better than a lot of other mediocre-ish teams this year.

mattMember since 2023
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

People will look at xfip/xera for Sheehan as a positive sign but he has huge flaws. He literally has the third worst pull air % among starters (civale/seymour worse). He gets whiffs with his FB but it also gets crushed by lefties. As for selling it to fanbase I don’t think there is any trade with Skubal you can make that the fanbase won’t be extremely mad about. It is admitting they always had zero intention of paying Skubal and ultimately to fans that matters much more than whatever they get back.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m more down on Hope, but I’m guessing that the Dodgers really like Sirota. Seems like River Ryan is on the block and could be included too, but as you mentioned before, if the Dodgers are selling him, it’s a red flag.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 days ago

I am very interested in seeing Sirota who is already 23 and in AA. He is following the path of some other New England college players who did not appear in the majors until their mid 20’s. George Springer, UConn, Ben Rice, Dartmouth, and Cam Schlittler, Northeastern, are examples of just how difficult it is for northeast players to reach the majors. 40 million people live in California and 58 million live in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and all of New England yet 166 players are from Cal and 84 are from the northeast. Which, of course, leads to the amazing Dominican Republic with 120 players from a population of 11 million. This is obviously a conundrum for organizations because if we assume the talent level is similar then finding and recognizing that talent is more difficult in an area that has a short season. Only a few northeast players are drafted out of high school. Springer, Rice, Schlittler and many before these had to complete college to show their true talent and be drafted. Trout, despite being seen as a generational talent in high school, slipped to #25 because of the bias. While the percentage of 1st round picks who don’t become quality major leaguers is high, it seems to me that, because the barrier for northeast players is so high, they have a far better chance of making it. It is for this reason that I will be watching and rooting for Sirota.

mattMember since 2023
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think Astros make most sense for Peralta, he’s a rental and having a much worse year than expected. The Astros can probably get him with something around like Huezo and Nezuh. I very much do not expect a MILB guy having the type of season Burke is having to be in a deal for peralta

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  matt

I got to be honest I have zero idea who Huezo and Nezuh are.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Replacing one guy who is getting pounded for another guy who is getting pounded sounds like Dustin May to the Red Sox last year. I would pass on Alcantara and, most certainly, on Peralta. As far as the Dodgers situation, how can they not pick up Skubal. Please tell me what 4 highly rated outfielders are doing sitting behind an outfield that isn’t going anywhere and I am not even including Davalan, Ehrhard and George, all of whom are having strong seasons. It would seem that they have little choice but to utilize this plethora of riches in some way. Of course it might be that the ghost of Josh Fields hangs over the front office and the front office can decide who might be the next Alvarez.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I don’t have a clue what they would do *aside* from getting Skubal.

They do have a few guys who they either have to protect in the Rule 5, some of whom are easy (De Paula, Zazueta) and others of whom are harder calls (Ferris, Serwinowski). I expect them at the minimum to identity who they want to protect on the 40 Man now and trade everyone else.

Next year they will have a *huge* 40 man logjam with Pages and De Paula being in MLB or ready plus Sirota, Hope, Quintero, Tibbs, George, and Ehrhard. Whether they want to start on clearing that group out now or wait until later, IDK.

Fishfood
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

When was the last time the Dodgers leaked anything for real? All the so called leaks are made up stuff for clicks. No one really knows what they are doing and the Lakers (under new owner Walters) have started down that same road. That said. I hope they don’t trade for Skubal. That arm isn’t holding up this year in the intensity of the post season.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 days ago

The answer to the question “…but is sneaking into the playoffs at 80-82 really worth losing what they would get in return for their ace?” is a resounding YES if the return is this little.

Tigers with Skubal and Mize have as good a chance as any AL team of winning the pennant regardless of regular season record.

The odds of regretting the absence of Emmet and Zyhir are minuscule. It may be a “fair” return but it’s the wrong strategy for a team with a 25% playoff shot and this level of competition in the playoffs.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

It’s more than a fair return, it’s a huge return. And that playoff % looks really optimistic. They’re 50-57 and they are running out of time.

They are close enough that they can play hardball and walk away unless they get a deal in this range but for this I think they do it.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The 25% is from FG Projected Standings. So if the team doesn’t think it’s close to that high it’s a different story and the return becomes relevant.

riibettMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think the line between fair and huge return here hinges on your opinion of Hope, which to be fair does vary quite a bit depending on who you read. So I don’t think it’s crazy to be low on the return if you’re in the low camp on Hope.

jdbolickMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s more than a fair return, it’s a huge return. 

I don’t think much of Sheehan or Hope, so this looks really underwhelming to me. If it’s the best offer you can get then so be it, as the Tigers are so far out that it’s tough to see a path for them even in a best case scenario. But if I’m trading a star, I would prefer to do so for prospects that have star potential even if they’re still in Low-A and might end up being nothing at all.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

If you don’t like Sheehan than I would say that’s not a return you want.

I am not sure who you could get for Skubal that has star potential though. The teams that would be most motivated to add him have weak farm systems, and the ones who have stronger farm systems and a reasonable reason to add him are typically trading away guys to manage the 40 man (Brewers, Dodgers, Rays).

The only exceptions I can think of—and only if you think there is a star among this group—are the Cubs (Rojas, maybe they would trade Hartshorn) or the Braves (Caminiti, maybe they would trade Southsiene).

boobookeys
2 days ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

do the Tigers still have a chance at the pennant rolling out half a lineup of 0 WAR guys and a bullpen that has the most blown saves in all of baseball? i don’t think so

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 days ago
Reply to  boobookeys

You don’t get to be BS leader without having a lot of leads. Trade for relievers if that’s the problem.

PhilMember since 2016
2 days ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The 2025 leader on blown saves were the Angels. The 2024 were the White Sox. I’m not sure you’d say those teams had lots of leads.

apbadogsMember since 2026
1 day ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

You do know a blown save doesn’t just happen in the 8th and 9th inning, right?

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  boobookeys

Yea, I think if they keep Skubal, then they have to find a connection on guys like Morejon, maybe multiple of Jo Adell, Arraez, Nootbaar, or Ward.

The good news is, that’s achievable without messing up the future over-much. The bad news is just about every contender is trying to walk this same line–and several have better expendable pieces than the Tigers.

didaceMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  boobookeys

Blown saves? The Nationals would like a word.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  didace

If I’m not mistaken, the Nats are riding a freight train destined to blow the ever-loving bejesus out of the all-time blown saves record.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 days ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

On pace for 41, which would indeed healthily beat the record of 36, set by the 2024 White Sox.

What’s surprising is that the 2024 White Sox had that many leads.

compucles
1 day ago

The 2024 White Sox actually did have two good starting pitchers until the trade deadline.

apbadogsMember since 2026
1 day ago

Again, a blown save could mean a 1-0 lead in the 3rd with starter pulled, reliever in the 4th gives up 2 runs, blown save.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

“this little?”

That’s a hell of a return for half a season for Skubal.

Need I remind you, a FULL season of peak Corbin Burnes only returned a good utility infielder and an injury-riddled stuff-over-results LHP. Sheehan alone is better than that return. Hope alone is better than that return. (Ko’s just a passive, power-hitting throw-in).

I also think you’re overrating the Tigers playoff pitching staff. Even with Skubal, they’re only like 8th-best. Maybe as high as 5th if some teams like the Phillies, Mariners, and Pirates fall short.

jdbolickMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Need I remind you, a FULL season of peak Corbin Burnes only returned a good utility infielder and an injury-riddled stuff-over-results LHP. Sheehan alone is better than that return. 

Ortiz and Hall were both FV 50s, although I think Hall had been downgraded to FV45 by the time the trade occurred. Ortiz was 45th on the 2024 Top 100 and has been worth 5.9 fWAR over three seasons with Milwaukee, so he’s been a roughly league average starter rather than “a good utility infielder.

If the Tigers were closer to contention then I would absolutely prefer to keep Skubal rather than deal him for Sheehan and Hope, neither of whom I see moving the needle much at all for Detroit in future seasons.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Matt Blood called him a utility guy when I talked to him about up-and-coming Orioles prospects. And Blood was his #1 champion (this was back when Gunnar was still a prospect).

Also, any batless middle infielder is by definition a utility guy, even if they happen to mostly play one position. They take the open position, but they’re placeholders until somebody with offense comes along. Even Cooper Pratt, who also doesn’t have much of a stick, ousted Ortiz from most of the SS reps.

That’s not to say Ortiz isn’t a gamer. He’s great roster glue. But, he’s the very definition of utility guy.

Put yet another way, the Brewers didn’t acquire Ortiz thinking they got their shortstop of the future. They thought he had widely applicable baseball skills and a rep for grinding, so he’d probably fit somewhere.

jdbolickMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Matt Blood called him a utility guy when I talked to him about up-and-coming Orioles prospects.

I have no idea who Matt Blood is, but his characterization of Ortiz is false both back then and now. Joey was known to be a plus defender but also had recorded a maximum exit velocity of 114.9 mph and a Z-Contact% of 88.4% at Norfolk in 2023.

Also, any batless middle infielder is by definition a utility guy

A player worth 5.9 fWAR is not a utility guy. A player with a 91.6% Z-Contact% and an 88.1 average exit velocity is not batless. I would happily take him back on the Orioles as a regular starter.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Maybe you should google Matt Blood, especially if you’re an Orioles guy. You should know about him.

WAR has nothing to do with role. See 2009, Ben Zobrist.

jdbolickMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Maybe you should google Matt Blood, especially if you’re an Orioles guy. You should know about him.

I’ve never been that interested in executives. I evaluate prospects individually and I have some interest in the coaches who influence their development.

WAR has nothing to do with role. See 2009, Ben Zobrist.

Of course it does. A utility infielder is like a fourth outfielder as someone who backs up the people you want to be regular starters. Zobrist started 152 games in 2009. Joey Ortiz has started 89% of Milwaukee’s games since he joined them. That’s not a utility guy.

Brad JohnsonMember
1 day ago
Reply to  jdbolick

A utility guy is anybody who can play multiple positions (excluding 1B) and does not have a set long-term position. They can play 162 games and be a utility guy.

Think “utility” as in utility knife. You may use the knife component every day, but it’s also a saw, corkscrew, screwdriver, and hammer. Isaac Paredes is a type of utility man even though he mostly plays 3B.

You’re probably getting confused by how MLB teams apportion roles. Since most starter-caliber players have set positions, the majority of utility guys are quasi-bench types. But, that doesn’t have to be the case, it’s just the meta. Brendan Donovan is a good example. Chris Taylor before him. Zobrist before that. There’s literally a Gold Glove award for these full-time UTs.

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formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 day ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Yeah, I think of a “super-utility guy” as a utility guy, in the sense of multi-positional, who is going to play every day. Like 2009 Zobrist, with a BBRef line that reads 8.6 WAR (boldface), 152 G, positions played 49H6/7835D. Though another definition of super-utility is “utility infielder who plays the outfield too.”

Though I think on the merits of the argument rather than technical correctness, that means jd is right–it doesn’t matter for the value of the return if Ortiz was a mutli-positional infielder, it matters how good he was. I’d guess that Sheehan now is probably more valuable than Ortiz was at the time of the trade, but Skubal is a better pitcher than Burnes was.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Who is Matt Blood, and why does his opinion matter at all here

si.or.noMember since 2017
2 days ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Matt Blood, VP of player development @ Orioles

(I used Google, instead of writing a comment asking someone else to use google)

MichaelMember since 2017
1 day ago
Reply to  jdbolick

If these guys aren’t going to move the needle for Detroit in future seasons then why bother. Keep Skubal and see what happens.

warpath
2 days ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

If the Tigers get an offer like this for Skubal, they should definitely take it. Their odds or making noise in the playoffs (or even just, uh, making the playoffs) are slim enough.

They shouldn’t make the same mistake the Angels did in 2023 by failing to trade Ohtani. The Tigers won’t get offers on quite that level, but they could get enough to set themselves up extremely well for the post-Skubal era. Trading a star like this is hard, but it can change the trajectory of your team if you can get some young guys that pop off.

I am a fan of a rival team (Twins), and believe me, I would want nothing more than Detroit to foolishly keep Skubal, subsequently flame out in/miss the playoffs, and then lose him in FA with only a comp pick to show for it. I would hate to have them restock on young guys that can help be part of sustainable winning over the next few years.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 days ago
Reply to  warpath

Would you trade Buxton a a package that far over a “fair” price?

Also how do we know the Angels regret their approach in 2023?

warpath
2 days ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Well, if Buxton were a pending free agent, had made it pretty abundantly clear he wasn’t likely sticking around and was going to follow the money, and my team was sitting at 50-57 with many teams in front of them, then I absolutely would. This is just the nature of being a fan of a mid to small market team, it does stink but you have to make these moves to be competitive.

I can’t speak for the Angels organization, which is kind of an enigma, but Angels fans absolutely regret the team’s approach in 2023. They lost Ohtani for nothing and have still been in the wilderness since.

TKDCMember since 2016
2 days ago
Reply to  warpath

If we are being f honest with ourselves, the Angels would have found their way to the wilderness even if they traded Ohtani. There’s no reason to believe otherwise.

warpath
2 days ago
Reply to  TKDC

I don’t doubt that as a distinct, and likely, possibility. But I think the fans would rather be in the wilderness with, say, Junior Caminero and Carson Williams in the fold, as was rumored to be the Rays offer for Ohtani, instead of getting Ryan Johnson from the comp pick.

jdbolickMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  warpath

I think the fans would rather be in the wilderness with, say, Junior Caminero and Carson Williams in the fold, as was rumored to be the Rays offer for Ohtani

In retrospect, sure. And if I am going to trade one of the best players in baseball, I want high ceiling players like this in return rather than guys like Sheehan and Hope. Even if those prospects miss, I would still prefer to take the chance on getting another star than to deal a star for roster filler.

Deduno AbidesMember since 2026
2 days ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Yes, I would trade Buxton for a good return, and give him my best wishes to win the WS with his new team.

basically baseballMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

This little? You do realize this only 2 months. Probably too much unless you are an unreasonable Tigers fan. No one is trading their top prospect for two months of a pitcher. Now if Tigers tossed in Riley Greene,…

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago

More thoughts:

-I think the White Sox are looking for pitching (like everyone else) and would not be interested in that deal.

-Volpe is fine, and is actually playing okay now. He is mostly a bad fit for his home stadium and has been hurt. I see zero chance that Yankees trade him for a rental unless that rental is fantastic. Their infield situation is unsettled as it is with McMahon running a .270 OBP.

-I think the Reds are delusional about what their team needs to compete in 2027 and don’t want to trade anyone other than rentals. (Also not really understanding Bleday’s consistency from year to year, or lack of it)

-I think the Blue Jays can do better than that for Gausman.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

About Gausman, yeah. Hard to see Druw Jones as having any value–there’s post-hype prospects and there’s 22-year-olds who’ve never been an average bat above low A.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago

I agree, though maybe not if Gausman tosses another clunker. Since May 11, he has a 5.40 ERA. 4 of his last 7 starts were disasterpieces.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago

I liked Bratt but he’s been an arrow down guy this year for sure.

I also like Gausman but if this is the level the Blue Jays would be getting back I think he stays and the Blue Jays hope for a miracle.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Nobody’s a bad fit for Yankee Stadium. Maybe Luis Arraez.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

…huh?

It’s an insanely awful fit for every variation of dead pull righty with fringey power.

Mookie has a 63 tOPS+ there, Bregman’s at 73, Pedroia was at 84.

Volpe’s got the exact same batted ball profile, without the walks and contact.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago

It’s a slightly above-average venue for RH hitters. Unless you’re worried about the 0.3 triples he loses by playing there.

https://www.fangraphs.com/tools/guts?season=2025&teamid=0&type=pfh&sortcol=9&sortdir=desc

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Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Where did I say anything about RH hitters in general, haha?

I’m talking about dead pull righties with fringe power.

It’s literally like using LHH numbers to explain why YS3 would benefit Arraez.

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A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
2 days ago

Yup. Aaron Judge probably benefits from Yankee Stadium, since he sprays his deep flyballs pole-to-pole. Volpe is more built for Houston (like do we really think Altuve would have looked good in Yankee Stadium?).

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago

But Volpe isn’t a dead pull hitter. He has 38% pulled contact both this season and for his career.

Here is a list of dead pull hitters, of which Volpe would rank in the bottom third if he qualified. He’s not even reminiscent of a dead pull hitter.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=2&season=2026&month=0&season1=2026&ind=0&sortcol=13&sortdir=default&pagenum=1

What you’re picking up on is that he doesn’t use the opposite field. But, if he were a dead pull hitter, he’d probably have better output because Yankees Stadium is favorable to RH power.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

There have been 1425 HR hit by RHH at YS since 2016. 300 (21%) have been hit by two men: Aaron Judge & Giancarlo Stanton. This is one of the few times where I feel like where a few outliers are breaking the park effect.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago

That’s not how park factors work.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I’d suggest looking up how they work, son – especially given the Dunning-Kruger performance here.

Park factors tell us that a can of corn of the Monster is a double and a screamer off it is a single…and that therefore, the player who hit the screamer off the Monster is less suited for Yankee Stadium than the player who hit the pop fly.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I’d have stopped digging quite a while ago, were I as unfamiliar with a player as you are with Volpe, my friend.

It’s not even a Yankees fan thing to know that the guy getting 60 FV grades was a dead-pull elevate+celebrate type!

BG’s mentioned it, but the version of Volpe who’s a good hitter cannot exist in YS3.

Brad JohnsonMember
1 day ago

Love the flex. It’s cute.

Most of all, I love the willingness to completely ignore data on Fangraphs dot com because you haven’t updated your priors since 2023.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 day ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Where’s the flex, mate?

And which “data on FanGraphs dot com” regarding “the guy getting 60 FV grades” do you think I’m ignoring, haha?

2021: 48.4 Pull%
2022: 46.0 Pull%
2023: 45.6 Pull%

Are you claiming that Volpe was still viewed as a 60 FV type after 2024?

Or does this bizarre (and amusing) attempt at a “GOTCHA” revolve around the fact that he very publicly adjusted his approach after the 2023 season…because a righty with his power has no route to be successful with that approach in YS3, haha?

MikeSMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Completely agree on the White Sox are 9th in runs scored and 20th in runs allowed. Especially lately, their pitching staff looks vulnerable to good hitting, especially the starters. While Devers is an upgrade over Benintendi, they can rotate Murakami, Montgomery (Colson), and Vargas into the DH spot to avoid him if they want, but he’s pretty much been a league average hitter. He’s not great, but he won’t be the reason they lose a playoff series.

MoMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  MikeS

Devers is a clear upgrade at DH over Benintendi. If they rotate Murakami, Montgomery, and Vargas, they’re essentially playing a utility IF (Acuna?) over Benintendi, which is not really an improvement.

They could also use some IF depth. I don’t see a lot of options if one of their starting infielders goes down. Adding Devers would help a bit there as well, but they could still use a reliable backup SS/2B.

Of course they need pitching too, but doesn’t everyone?

duncanbishop1Member since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Agree about Volpe. Is he as good as he was projected by models/scouts? No. Is he a big league contributor as a low cost providing surplus value, generally healthy, and consistent? Yes. I am shocked McMahon gets a pass but Volpe is the ire of all Yankees fans. Looking at a guy like Rocchio, sometimes it takes time before the glove-first prospects get the offense figured out. I’m hopeful that lies within Volpe somewhere.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  duncanbishop1

Few thoughts here. First off, I can have animus for multiple players at a time — it isn’t a zero-sum game. Secondly, Volpe is always going to have unfair expectations as a Yankee top prospect (and especially a Yankee top SS prospect). Thirdly, I think fans get more frustrated with streaky players — and Volpe is one of the streakiest hitters I’ve ever watched — than someone who might be worse overall, but is consistently mid.

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t think the White Sox would be interested because it would create a positional logjam with Munetaka Murakami. They do not have a hole that Devers makes sense for. They need controllable pitching. Early would have been perfect for them.

I do think teams would be interested if the Giants ate a whole lot of money, but SF would be best served by waiting and seeing whether he rebounds, hopefully lowering the cost.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  dangledangle

People have overcorrected on Devers. If the Giants paid a quarter of the salary or took back that much in dead money they would have a teams asking about him. He’s not 30 yet and he hit for a 135 wRC+ the last couple of years. He also looks like he can play an adequate first base.

But the White Sox have other needs and a lot of position players.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yup, and after his horrendous start, he’s been mostly that as a hitter. His 47 wRC+ in March/April has dragged his season down, but his monthly splits for May, June, July are 155, 127, 154.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 day ago

I just think that the popular consensus is wrong about Devers. Listening to them you would think he is done. He is probably a Top 50 hitter in MLB, and even at first base / DH there should be interest. The contract is too big, but there are ways to lessen that if the Giants are willing.

The only real question is if those back problems he dealt with last year are still lurking somewhere. If you think that then he’s probably untradeable but otherwise I think he can be the first baseman for a championship caliber team.

villapalomaresMember since 2025
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Volpe’s approach has changed drastically this year. His power is way down (1 homer, .333 slug) and his walks are way up (.343 OBP). He’s a different hitter, but the end result is the same: .675 OPS. Is the tradeoff worth it?

beanbongMember
2 days ago
Reply to  villapalomares

we’ve seen three different versions of Volpe, and they’ve each all amounted to a roughly 85 wRC+.

Willians Astu-stu-studilloMember since 2020
1 day ago
Reply to  beanbong

He’s at 97 this year, though, because one point of OBP is much more valuable than one point of SLG.

Twitchy
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d rather keep Gausman than accept that package. Scouting report for Jones on FG is that scouts think he’s afraid of the ball when he’s hitting. And the other pitcher would be fine to eat innings for the rest of the year, but he’s got very little trade value as far as I’m concerned.

I don’t think the Jays are coming back, but if the Jays are going to move Gausman they’ve got to at least get a player who isn’t afraid of the ball when they’re at the plate.

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roobMember since 2026
1 day ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

As a Sox fan im pretty sure that the Sox would have no interest in trading fir Devers at all.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago

I am laughing vindictively because y’all hated my take on the first Devers trade.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I don’t think anybody thought Devers had some kind of great contract. The reactions at the time were more about dunking on the Red Sox for singlemindedly turning what should have been a franchise cornerstone into a pariah. Self-inflicted asset destruction…

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Also, Devers has a 145 wRC+ since the start of May – with his normal peripherals and scratch 1B defense, that’s been worth 2.1 WAR.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 days ago

Wow, what a great player

darren
2 days ago

What is scratch defense? Is it good? Is his defense at first considered good?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 day ago
Reply to  darren

Scratch is…not an obscure idiom in the context of skill sports.

It means there’s no need to handicap his defense – it’s not fine “for” a converted 1B.

It’s just completely fine.

(DRS actually thinks he’s been awesome)

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darren
1 day ago

I’ve never heard it used for baseball so I wanted to be sure. But it doesn’t mean ‘completely fine.’ It means great, right?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 day ago
Reply to  darren

A scratch golfer is someone who can get par on a course regularly. It’s someone who can do it. It’s what is expected.

In this context, it means someone who isn’t a negative value defender at the position, even if they don’t stand out either. Alternatively, a true FRV of zero.

darren
1 day ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

[deleted, redundant]

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 day ago
Reply to  darren

Oh I see where you are confused. An *amateur* scratch golfer is amazing. They’re not pro quality but they’re about as good as an amateur can get.

We need bosoxforlife’s opinion on this, IIRC he was a golf pro at one point. My understanding is that a scratch golfer would make a pro go “wow, I didn’t expect that” even if they would still likely lose to the pro.

darren
1 day ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yes, this is the definition I was thinking of.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 day ago
Reply to  darren

Yes, but I don’t think this is how it normally gets used. It gets used in terms of the handicap of zero.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 day ago
Reply to  darren

I’d take it to mean “not positive or negative” (a zero or scratched-out score), like Devers’s total 0 FRV at first base.

darren
2 days ago

And how do his numbers look if you remove his BEST month this season?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 day ago
Reply to  darren

106 wRC+ without his May.

If you cut out both his best and his worst months, he’s put up a 139 wRC+ with a .56 BB/K, good for 3.8 WAR/650.

This is also known as “A completely normal Devers season,” with old man skills making up for the decline in defensive value.

darren
1 day ago

If it’s a completely normal season, why did you feel the need to lop off his first month when discussing him?

warpath
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Yeah, I was fine with the deal on paper and thought it had a good chance to work out for Boston if they re-invested the savings. The problem for me was really the circus leading up to the deal and the mismanagement of relationships.

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Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  warpath

Like, imagine if, instead of all that noise, they quietly back-channeled Posey and others with something like:

“Hey, we received an offer for Devers that we’d be fools to not at least consider. Don’t spread it around, but we thought maybe you’d be interested in throwing your hat in the ring.”

Before they outed Devers as a bit of a primadonna, he was widely viewed as a superstar franchise cornerstone on a scratch contract. As Ben Clemen’s recent exercise shows, those guys can return a haul.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Also, haven’t Devers’ former teammates defended him? A bit of a prima donna is fair, but he doesn’t seem like a hated teammate.

jdbolickMember since 2024
2 days ago

The Red Sox has an extensive history of trashing former managers and players in the media. What they did to Terry Francona still makes my blood boil.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

I obviously don’t know Francona personally, but he seems like one of the nicest people in the game (don’t correct me if I’m wrong–I would like to hold on to that thought).

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago

He’s been through hell and come out of it with wisdom and grace. Like you, if he’s not a class act, I don’t want to know.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

The Red Sox media market is somehow the worst in American sports.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 day ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

It’s not Shanks or WEEI or whoever.

Tom Werner’s done this at literally every stop in his career.

darren
2 days ago

No they haven’t, really.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Huh? Devers outed *himself*. It was his own mouth. No one made him speak. He represented himself as a petulant child from his own mouth.

I don’t know why you or anyone would dispute something this easily verifiable.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Go ahead and reread what I wrote.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

You wrote “they outed Devers”.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
10 hours ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I see you like to run away instead of making sense.

darren
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Wow you’re a genius. You should be running a team, I’m sure they never thought of that and it totally would have worked.

I’m sure there would have been no follow up questions from the Giants.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

This is a take yellower than snow at a dog park.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I knew I would get a collection of downvotes, faulty memories, revisionist history, and generally ignorance in reply to this. It’s all copium.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Or maybe, maybe people are encouraging you to get over “oh how right you were” about something that happened thirteen months ago.

You can fellate yourself to your oh-so-rightness all you want on your own time. No one else gives a tinker’s cuss.

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drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  Jason B

I’m crowing because I was treated like I didn’t know what I was talking about–if you don’t want vindictive crowing, blame the people who thought they knew what they were talking about and didn’t.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 day ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

At least charge ’em rent for living in your head for over a year!

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
1 day ago
Reply to  Jason B

It’s almost like people remember things that happened, regarding things they wrote about, when they reappear.

By the way, the rent-free meme is about stewing about something constantly across a long period of time–it ain’t what you think it is. But don’t let that stop you from the usual inventing of narratives.

If you’re looking for something that has lived rent-free in my head for a long period of time, it’s that–not comments made in an internet forum.

Brad JohnsonMember
1 day ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Have you considered that your treatment is a function of your delivery? (hint: it is)

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
1 day ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Have you considered that you’re ignoring my reply regarding me re-reading your comment?

darren
2 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

People hate to be told “I told you so” and you can see that in the replies below. Such classics as ‘he’s been great this year if you eliminate his worst month!’

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  darren

This.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 day ago
Reply to  darren

Take out both outlier months, champ…and he’s had a completely normal Devers season!

darren
1 day ago

What outlier months? Why are they outliers? Why don’t they count?

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
1 day ago
Reply to  darren

Only players people like are allowed to be streaky!

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
1 day ago
Reply to  darren

Looking at this further, it’s yet another narrative that fails. Devers had a bad (horrible) Mar/April. His wRC+ in the subsequent months up to now: 155, 127, 149.

What stands out regarding his year is how bad he has been against lefties. 56 wRC+

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
1 day ago
Reply to  darren

I like that only members can vote on comments now–it tells me that there are people who aren’t bothering to defend their downvotes yet maintain site subscriptions. Meaning that they *could* defend them, but lack the courage of their supposed convictions.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago

I’m trying to figure out what the Phillies do at this deadline. Is it just like Lane Thomas for Keaton Anthony and Jeff Hoffman for Joey Bag-O-Balls?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Rough year for the Phillies system.

whitstifier
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

What’s your ranking of the top 5 prospects in the system? They have interesting pieces to trade.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  whitstifier

Aidan Miller
Francisco Renteria
Ramon Marquez
Gage Wood
Ty Spangler? Bowker? Aroon? Chace?

There’s a clean Top 4.

And, of course, Painter and Crawford have trade value. They probably *should* trade Crawford. He’s shown enough for modest optimism yet not enough to justify the Phillies planning around him.

riibettMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Miller can’t be considered a top prospect at this point, imo. The back injury stuff is May Day parade levels of red flags

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  riibett

You’re welcome to that opinion, but that’s not the industry consensus as he still appears on all top 100 lists worth mentioning. The prognosis for that particular intervention is generally positive, albeit with some maintenance requirements.

riibettMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I don’t think appearing on top 100 lists (especially mid season ones) is much to go on as you may think. Especially for injured guys, they tend to stay where they are if for no other reason than lack of information

warpath
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I don’t know if he has the trade value of a typical top 100 guy, though. Any team acquiring him would surely be nervous seeing as Miller hasn’t played a professional game in over 10 months.

I think he’s unlikely to be moved because Philly is better off getting him healthy and rehabbing his trade value, they’d probably be selling low if they traded him now.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  warpath

Yea, the Phillies aren’t trading him at a low, and nobody’s buying at his previous valuation. The ask was to list the Phillies top 5 prospects, of which Miller is objectively one of them. That’s different than “list the top 5 prospects the Phillies might trade.”

riibettMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Miller can’t be considered a top prospect at this point, imo. The back injury stuff is May Day parade levels of red flags

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
8 hours ago
Reply to  riibett

I think Brendan agrees with you, given his latest chat.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  whitstifier

Miller
Wood
Renteria
Obermueller
Spangler

I think you could make an argument for Marquez or Fisher over Spangler but I don’t think there is another prospect in the system that is a 45 or higher.

I don’t think Miller is going anywhere though. If he’s hurt he’s untradeable and if not he’s going to be in the r majors.

whitstifier
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

What about Parra, Rincon, and Pacheco?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  whitstifier

Who?

If you mean Rincones, he *might* be a platoon corner outfielder.

Maybe Bryan Rincon? I don’t know much about him. Hit tool issues there according to the FG team, I am going to have to wait to form an opinion about him.

I just looked up Pacheco, he could be a 40+. Currently graded by FG team as a 40, although that was a few months ago. He is in A ball, he has a long way to go.

I can’t find any information on a guy named Parra.

whitstifier
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Bryan Rincon, Juan Parra. Maybe just wait until the next Fangraphs update.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  whitstifier

Yeah I definitely don’t know anything about Parra. I really don’t know anything about DSL guys unless I come across a scouting report from there or data.

Rincon—let’s see what Eric and Brendan say about his hit tool. If he has a hole in his swing then he will still struggle. Don’t buy the power output even a little, Reading numbers are worthless.

Brad JohnsonMember
1 day ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Rincon’s on a utility track. He’s not top 5 in the system.

I’ve seen some vague positive buzz on Parra, but I can’t speak to him beyond that.

I don’t have updated measurables on Pacheco, but he’s performing slightly below average in Low-A as a 21-year-old. Also not a top 5 candidate.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Normal year, tbh. The FG list makes it look worse than it is.

Ramon Marquez is a big find. Cody Bowker is the sort of pitcher the Rays have wet dreams about. Between aptitude and talent, Francisco Renteria is on the short list for most exciting prospect not in the Top 100.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Please present your bona fides.

grandbranyanMember since 2017
2 days ago

If they are already sending out Burke and Jett in the hopes of fixing a struggling Peralta in this scenario, I’d prefer the Brewers leverage their farm depth to beat the proposed Cubs offer for Alcantara instead.

Sandy is pitching better at the moment, eats more IP than Freddy, and has the extra year of control via the team option.

g4Member since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

Or add another prospect to that proposed package and land one of the Angels controllable guys.

dswhiteMember since 2026
2 days ago

Guards trade makes a ton of sense. The bullpen depth is lacking though, so I’d think they’d be more likely to trade another prospect than trade Aleman.

dan norman learMember since 2024
2 days ago

Kevin Alcantara and a Complex guy for Reid Detmers?

Not that Alcantara isn’t complex in his own right.

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traderted2Member since 2026
2 days ago

I have to imagine the Angels will get better offers than that for 2.5 years of control of a pitcher whose underlying numbers make him look like a good #2 starter this year. At this point, Alcantara is a 24-year-old who primarily plays the corners and is striking out 31 percent of the time (albeit with outrageous power numbers) at Triple-A.

warpath
2 days ago
Reply to  traderted2

The Cubs have consistently not prioritized giving Kevin Alcántara chances this year and in past years when his option clock is ticking and they’ve been much more willing to give more opportunities to guys like Pedro Ramirez, Matt Shaw, and Moises Ballesteros, despite all of them being various forms of “blocked” by MLB players. Even Owen Caissie, in his brief stint up with the Cubs last year, received more MLB PAs than Alcántara has in any of the last 3 years appearing for the Cubs.

There’s just all the smoke in the world that the Cubs really don’t believe in Alcántara and I don’t know how much other teams would value him.

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airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 days ago
Reply to  traderted2

I’m not so sure about Reid Detmers. His “underlying numbers” have been good for three years now, and his actual performance has been not as great for three years now.

If Reid Detmers is your #2, who are you beating in a playoff series?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago
Reply to  airforce21one

I think if there is one team in MLB where teams think their dev team is bad and you think you can do more with him, it’s the Angels.

The Angels defense is terrible too. Not quite that terrible it it’s not 100% on him.

traderted2Member since 2026
2 days ago
Reply to  airforce21one

The Angels have had by far the worst defense in baseball by OAA (-113, the next worst is -90) over that three-year span. It would be weird if his baseball-card numbers were as good as his underlying numbers.

Who are you beating in a playoff series with a pitcher with a 3.28 FIP/3.67 xFIP as your #2? As a Braves fan, that’s almost exactly what we had in 2021 (your choice of whether Morton or Fried was the #2). That feels very much within the realm of “credible playoff starter” if you think it’s real.

Jorge FabregasMember since 2016
2 days ago

If you hate typing Guaranteed Rate Field, I have good news: its name was changed to Rate Field in 2025. I don’t know that it’s a better name, but at least there’s less to type.

PressXToJason
2 days ago
Reply to  Jorge Fabregas

Yeah, the change is impossible to ignore watching games there.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  Jorge Fabregas

I actually hate “Rate Field” more. It just feels…bizarre. Like it almost feels like a command (/rate_field 6) than the name of a ballpark.

OddBall Herrera
2 days ago

I don’t think De Paula is as untouchable as the Dodgers claim, and that he’s going to get shipped off as a “Ok you really bent my arm but here’s our top prospect” chip. If his OF defense is as awful and his SB as illusory as the FG prospect writers suggest, he’s a DH prospect with great plate skills and still somewhat speculative power. But that is not how he’s being talked of. And don’t forget that DH is already somewhat spoken for for the next 10 years on the major league club.

I think he’s the headliner in a Skubal deal and they don’t have to give up a ML ready pitcher like Sheehan as the second piece as a result.

John WickMember since 2018
2 days ago

He’ll be their first baseman in 2028, and if he’s up before then they’ll live with mediocre defense in the OF in the meantime. If they think he’s a DH-only, it’s also not a problem they need to solve now.

It’s a special bat, he has the potential to be the best hitter in baseball if he hits the 90% outcome.

opifijiklMember since 2024
2 days ago

I remember last year it seemed like the Yankees were so good at developing catchers that they were trading them away (Narvaez, maybe a few more to PIT or something) to patch up their team. Now FG has them trading for a catcher! Same with the Sox trading position players for pitchers last year, and doing the opposite this year. Crazy how team strengths and weaknesses can change within a year.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  opifijikl

I expect catchers to break, as does FG, since the get beat up behind the plate constantly. So for me there’s a lot more risk with them. Of course, you still need to field the best ones you can. They remind me of pitchers right now.

opifijiklMember since 2024
2 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Also both catching and hitting are difficult skills on their own

12 to sixMember since 2020
2 days ago

boy, that dodger proposal seems like a pretty substantial overpay to me.

the flaherty trade (skubal is obviously better, but flaherty was having a great season) in 2024 is a good comp – the tigers for a top 20ish prospect (liranzo) and a decent one (sweeney). hope PLUS sheehan (established #3/4/5) PLUS ko seems fat. i could see hope and someone like ryan ward, or sheehan plus ward plus a noah miller type, but not the package proposed.

baseballcard_guruMember
2 days ago
Reply to  12 to six

Just be thankful you’re not giving De Paula up as well, Skubal and Flaherty are not comparable pitchers

tunglashrMember since 2016
2 days ago

What I would love to see is the Yankees saying who needs defense and trading for Devers and putting him at 3B. Lets bash, ladies and gentlemen.

I wouldnt call it a great plan, or even a good one. But it would be fun.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  tunglashr

I…oddly can get behind this. I hate his face, but it’d be a hell of a statement. An October lineup including Judge, Stanton (very theoretically), Devers, and Rice would be ridiculous. Also, I’d have to imagine Devers would feel pretty freakin’ motivated to show up the Sox.

darren
2 days ago
Reply to  tunglashr

It’d be fun to see the bunt-happy Red Sox go up against him.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  darren

As a Sox fan I think it’d be *great* theater, it’d be fun as hell.

darren
1 day ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

To be fair, he’d probably also blast a few homers off of us. But it would be entertaining!

Runaway ToasterMember since 2016
1 day ago
Reply to  tunglashr

I love it. Go full mid-2000s Yankees mode.

g4Member since 2020
2 days ago

This was one of Dan’s best editions of this annual article. The devil’s in the details and nits can certainly be picked on each return, but the likely team motivations are on point and the proposed matches are close enough to start a realistic conversation between GMs.

mike sixelMember since 2016
2 days ago

No Twins trade? Sounds about right, while they sit still and do nothing (or nothing that matters).

OddBall Herrera
2 days ago
Reply to  mike sixel

I think they almost have to trade Jeffers. They’ve built their current W-L record basically without him, so he’s not like Skubal who is integral and who would basically trigger waiving a white flag on the season, and he’d be a unique trade piece on the market. If they’re smart they can get a huge return for him from one of the C/RHB needy teams.

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mike sixelMember since 2016
2 days ago

Oh, I agree….but I don’t think the owner will allow that if they are at .500 at the deadline.

rickerbockersMember since 2022
2 days ago

Taylor Ward to the Mariners for Emerson Hancock.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 days ago
Reply to  rickerbockers

Ward is damaged goods.

mattMember since 2023
2 days ago

I think at this point Freddy isn’t worth that

GoatHerderMember since 2016
2 days ago
Reply to  matt

Depends if your scouts and/or analytics team sees something that can fixed. Brewers, if anyone, should know how to get the most out of him. Cubs, with Peralta’s former manager, might be another option to turn around his season. David Peterson hasn’t looked bad since escaping New York and landing with the Cubs.

Baseball_is_Cool_123Member since 2024
1 day ago
Reply to  GoatHerder

David Peterson has a 5.06 ERA, 5.95 xERA, 5.14 FIP, and 5.08 xFIP, since arriving on the Cubs. Besides the ERA (which is still awful) all the other values are 1+ runs worse than his time this year with the Mets.

riibettMember since 2020
2 days ago

Braves are such an enigma this deadline, clearly have numerous positions of need, especially pitching. But, with neither spencer likely to return and a totally gassed bullpen, it might not be the year for a big push. HOWEVER, I would’ve said the same thing in 2021.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
2 days ago
Reply to  riibett

I trust that AA will doing something interesting and creative that may or may not work.

OddBall Herrera
2 days ago

“The Boston Red Sox had interest in acquiring Ryan, and a recent report from Alex Speier of the Boston Globe revealed that Boston was willing to trade their top two prospects (shortstop Franklin Arias and left-hander Payton Tolle) to Minnesota for Ryan.”

To be clear, this offer was from last season

If this is accurate I am even more mad at the Twins management about last year’s trade deadline SNAFU.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 days ago

I have a hard time believing that and if it is true then everyone involved even peripherally with turning that down should be fired, even if they own the team.

darren
2 days ago

To be fair, both Tolle and Arias’s stock have risen quite a bit since then. Tolle had be overtaken by Early and didn’t even make the MLB rotation to start the year. Arias hadn’t yet shown the offensive abilities that have pushed him to the top of prospect lists.

gydemeMember since 2026
2 days ago

I am not sure Anthony Volpe has really shown he has more gears in him offensively and his defense is not even grading out as spectacular anymore. I wouldn’t want my club wishing on a star on Anthony Volpe, especially one like the Reds

Willians Astu-stu-studilloMember since 2020
1 day ago
Reply to  gydeme

Outside of a really incredible grade from DRS in his rookie year, his defense has never graded out any better than it is right now.

darren
2 days ago

What has Devers done this year that has so vastly improved his ZIPS projections? On his page, his 3 year projections place him at 3.1 WAR in 2026, followed by 2.4 WAR in 2027, and 2.1 in 2028.

And yet, despite putting up 1.4 WAR this year (ZIPS says he’ll get to 2.3 for the season), ZIPS projects him for 3.6 WAR in 2027.

So how did missing his projection by about 0.8 WAR boost expectations for next year by about 1.2 WAR?

darren
2 days ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Doesn’t park factor at least make a dent? Is Devers really a ~1.5 WAR better player playing half his games in Chicago instead of in San Francisco?

Also, a similar thing happened last year when he was moving from Fenway to Oracle. From 2023-2024, he put up 3.5 then 4.2 WAR. Then he had 2.0 WAR in 73 games (a 4.4 pace) before the trade.

ZIPS projected he’d put up 2.9 WAR the rest of the year, a 5.2ish pace, then 4.3 the following year. So he got a bump going from Boston to Oracle and then this year would get a huge bump going from Oracle to Chicago.

That just doesn’t make sense, especially given how well Devers hit in Fenway.

OgbertMember since 2025
2 days ago

I’d kind of love to see what Volpe could do with a reset on a new club (in a bandbox of a home ballpark, no less)

darren
2 days ago

I’m assuming that by a lot of money, Dan means about 1/2 of $220 mil he’s still owed: $110 mil. Given that the return is 45+ prospect, with a value of about $18 mil., that suggests Devers’s value is around $130 mil.

That sounds pretty reasonable but I would still be uneasy about investing that much in him.

compucles
1 day ago

Technically, the Blue Jays did come to a World Series last year. What you meant is how close they came to *winning* a World Series or how close they came to a Championship.

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Willians Astu-stu-studilloMember since 2020
1 day ago

Heh. Reading that Volpe idea, I see the opposite of the meme Yankee fan trade proposal of “Yankees get your good player, you get a handful of unremarkable role players the Yankees don’t want anymore.”

mr. e teamMember
1 day ago

I would be wary of aquiring JJ Bleday considering how much of his recent sucess has come from hitting in Cincinatti. His OPS is almost 300 points higher at home and he has hit twice as many homers at home (12) than on the road (6).
I guess ZIPs thinks he can replicate his success without the home park advantage, but I don’t.