Let’s Overanalyze Two Julio Urias Starts
I know it’s obvious, but it’s worth a reminder. The most important thing to consider before serving up a Julio Urias take is that he is 19 years old. Think about what you were doing as a 19-year-old. Think about what Julio Urias is doing as a 19-year-old. When Stephen Strasburg was 19, his competition was the Mountain West Conference. When Jacob deGrom was 19, he was a shortstop at Stetson University. Julio Urias has already struck out seven major league batters. He’s 19! That’s more strikeouts than literally every other active major league pitcher had when they were 19, aside from Felix Hernandez who may one day be enshrined in the Hall of Fame.
So Julio Urias is 19, and we must always keep that in mind, but he’s now been tasked twice with getting major league hitters out, and he hasn’t done a great job. He can be both unfathomably young and also ineffective at the same time — they aren’t mutually exclusive. The age isn’t an excuse; it just serves as context.
But we can have more context than age and results! How about the process? How’s the stuff? Ultimately, it’s the process that matters; the age will change and results can be wonky. Execute the process enough times and the results will follow. There’s still only so much we can learn from two games, but at the very least it gives us an excuse to analyze Julio Urias, which we’ve all been waiting for, and maybe we’ll see something to help quiet some of the alarm bells currently going off in Dodger Nation. We’ll observe some good, and we’ll observe some bad. We shouldn’t come way with a much different opinion of Urias’ future — two starts shouldn’t have moved the needle anyhow — but we’ll certainly come away with more information.
I’m going to cross-reference with excerpts scouting reports from Baseball America throughout this piece, because really, the scouting reports are still the most robust data we have on Urias. We’ve seen him make two starts; scouts have seen him make dozens.
The first strikeout of Urias’ career!
You hear scouts say all the time that a pitcher has “easy arm action” or “smooth mechanics” or a “fluid delivery,” but watching a game where seven or eight different pitchers are used, it’s not always easy to tell which guys have easy arm action and which guys are using too much effort. The first thing that stuck out to me about Urias is just how smooth his motion is. That’s an easy 94. In three years of Baseball America scouting reports, the word “smooth” appears twice, as does “easy,” and “clean” makes an appearance as well. There’s also this, about the fastball:
“His fastball sits at 90-95 mph, touches 97 and plays up because he hides the ball well.”

The fastball has great life. It’s sat 94.6 and touched 96.1, according to BrooksBaseball. It’s got 10 inches of “rise” and a spin rate of 2,444 revolutions per minute. Setting a ridiculously low minimum of 50 fastballs thrown, only three lefty starters have thrown harder, eight have gotten more rise, and three have generated more spin. Already, we have evidence of sound mechanics, deception, and a truly plus fastball.
“His changeup is a swing-and-miss pitch, and while he needs to harness it in the strike zone more often, the movement, deception and separation from his fastball make it a plus weapon.”
The changeup has come in, on average, at 80.7, giving it nearly 14 miles per hour of separation from the fastball. The only qualified starter in baseball with a wider velocity gap between their fastball and changeup is Urias’ teammate, Scott Kazmir. I did notice that Urias has displayed a tendency to slow his arm action when throwing the change, which hitters will eventually pick up on, but he still repeats his arm slot and has kept it down and arm-side.
“He manipulates [the curveball’s] shape and speed, giving it top-to-bottom depth at times, then getting wide at others, and mixes in a short slider.” … “Urias isn’t afraid to throw [any of his secondary offerings] in any count.”
He’s thrown the curve, and he’s thrown the slider. The slider’s shown what would be the highest spin rate of any lefty starter; the curve’s spin would trail only Rich Hill and Gio Gonzalez. He’s thrown both pitches to start at-bats against lefties and righties, suggesting confidence, and while he’s nearly kept them all glove-side, he’s left more than a handful up.
So that’s the stuff. Stuff looks good, stuff’s matched the scouting reports. No reason we should’ve expected much different. Urias, at 19, has a legitimate major league arsenal, and probably a legitimately plus major league arsenal. That’s already been put on display. Yet, the results are what they are, so let’s get to that part of things.
He’s given up 13 hits. The locations, from BaseballSavant:

Five of Urias’ 13 hits have come against well-located fastballs across the upper-edge of the zone. With Urias’ hard, high-spin, rising fastball, that’s exactly where he wants them. Three more have come against breaking and offspeed pitches located outside the zone. There’s some mistakes pitches in there, sure, but it’s not like he served up meatballs to the tune of nine runs in two starts. He made a couple costly errors, and batters hit good pitches.
This 2-2, two-out curveball to Neil Walker scored two. It’s just about a perfect pitch:

Jason Heyward hit this 2-1 fastball at the letters out of the park:

This two-out changeup to Juan Lagares came off the bat at 72 miles per hour, and is responsible for another two runs:

I included exit velocity in the second half of that pitch plot above, because Urias’ average exit velocity allowed, 25 batted balls in, has been an excellent 85mph. Exit velocity stabilizes very quickly, and while Urias is still slightly below that threshold, the point here isn’t to make sweeping claims of his true-talent contact management ability, it’s to gain a better sense of what’s happened. What’s happened is, Urias hasn’t been hit particularly hard, and he’s given up plenty of runs.
This is the major leagues. That’s going to happen. And it’s not like he hasn’t served up fat curveballs to some of the best hitters in the world that get hit off video boards a mile away (even if it was his third time pitching through the order, something that he has little-to-no experience doing professionally):

What have we seen from Julio Urias? We’ve seen a 19-year-old face the best team in baseball and the defending National League champions. We’ve seen the delivery, deception and raw stuff that scouts have raved over for years. We’ve seen soft contact go for costly hits. We’ve seen big league hitters hit good pitches, and we’ve seen big league hitters hit bad pitches. We’ve seen Urias have a short outing, and we’ve seen Urias demoted. We’ve seen Urias walk too many batters and give up a whole bunch of runs. We’ve seen what we were all going to see eventually. We’ve seen a kid with a really bright future.
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Watching his first 2 starts, he’s clearly going through the rookie adjustment. Pitches that were around the zone, he expected to get called strikes from the ump or he expected the hitters to bite. Once he figures out how to adjust, he’ll dominate.
This really is the problem with leaving pitchers with dominant talent in the minors for any longer than you need to: they get used to expecting hitters to chase way too much. Any pitcher that has even a modicum of velocity or movement is going to dominate the minors, and it really isn’t until the majors that command is properly sussed out. Pedro Martinez was remarkably self-aware of this fact in his trip through the minors (at least judging by his accounts of it today), but I suspect most prospects are not.
Urias will be fine. We know it. The Dodgers know it. I strongly suspect he knows it too. And he’ll be back up in the majors this year.
Well, that makes all the difference.
I didn’t watch the game yesterday , but they guys on the radio in Chicago were saying he was throwing 93 and seemed underwhelmed with his stuff. One start and anecdotal evidence… and also against a team that takes a lot of pitches.
wow… the downvote nazis are really out today
It’s the same velocity as Steven matz. He is throwing harder than chris sale this year.
Like I said, it was anecdotal and hearsay… I didn’t see him, but the people that did didn’t think he had the sharpest stuff… they didn’t say he sucked, just that what they saw didn’t match the advanced scouting report.
Doc Gooden was likely the best 19 y/o pitcher in baseball history and he was done by age 31. I’m not sure why fangraphs makes such big deal about age?? It’s interesting that these guys are successful at a young age, but a long successful career is the real goal of all baseball players.
Urias is not Gooden, talent wise, I’d say.
Why is that downvoted? Gooden had similar fastball velocity and a curve at least as good – and this is 30 years ago, so he was comparably more of a flamethrower.
Urias isn’t Gooden talent-wise, but he could certainly have a better career. Gooden did not maximize his talent, sadly.
Down votes for you, sir. Your opinion is not really all that welcome here.
Just because Gooden broke down doesn’t mean Urias will though. The Mets allowed Gooden to throw 961 innings in his final minor league year + his first 3 MLB seasons (inc. the ’86 postseason). The Dodgers won’t allow Urias to go half that amount across his 18-21 year old seasons.
Not saying that’s a guarantee Urias will have a longer career but it’s something to consider.
Uhhh if Urias turns into Doc Gooden the Dodgers would be ecstatic.
And then hire someone to keep him out of trouble.
The goal of teams, however, is (should) be to get maximum MLB value during the cost controlled years.
FG “makes such a big deal about age” because of the growth that happens with youth. All players continue to learn and grow, but a guy with advanced tools is hoped to grow the skills and wisdom to better apply them. IE, get better.
Additionally, most humans aren’t at their physical (or mental) peaks. So a young guy who mows down AAA hitters can be expected to get better.
Is that really so hard to understand?
Completely agree with your main point… but it is not really a Fangraphs thing – it is a “pretty much everyone” thing. Just wait until he has a good start and it will be EVERYWHERE.
Chris Mitchell’s KATOH projections pretty clearly demonstrate that a player’s youth relative to his level is a good indicator of future MLB success.
“I’m not sure why fangraphs makes such big deal about age??”
The reason age matters is because generally speaking, those who debut earlier (age-wise) are more talented than their later-appearing counterparts. If you look at a list of players who debuted at 18, 19, 20, it has a much higher preponderance of stars and HOF’ers than those who debut at a more typical age. Certainly an earlier debut is no guarantee of future success, but it is a very strong indicator.
I wish they’d just decide if he’s going to stay in the major instead of yo-yoing him between AAA and MLB.
Also, if Maeda hadn’t hurt his hand, he would have got to pitch against the Braves at home instead of against the Cubs in Wrigley.
His MLB was a week ago… he was called up to cover an injury and sent down once so far… have yet to see any evidence that he’s being yo-yo’d… maybe let’s wait until it actually happens…
Spartacus: So Urias doesn’t even get through the 3rd inning against the Mets and he has to catch a flight back to AAA after the game. Then he’s called up and the next time this 19 year old sees his “teammates” is at Wrigley Field in the 2nd of 2 incredibly hard matchups. He has absolutely been yo-yo’d. Maybe for a 5 year vet you would need a bigger sample size of time to say he’s been yo-yo’d, but for a 19 year old the window is much smaller. The kid needs to be in the dugout, with his teammates, getting a feel for the game, watching and learning from Kershaw…NOT yo-yo’d back and forth to AAA.
I said let’s give it more than a week… you need help with your comprehension skills?
That week could have been spent learning some of the nuances of the big league day-to-days. Perhaps you should stick to video games.
He’s been underwhelming, and there was a lot of loud contact against him. Is it possible he’s a world class AAA pitcher only?
Maybe as of right now? But if I was a betting man, I’d assume the world-class AAA pitcher at 19 is gonna be an above average major league starter within 6-18 months.
Sure it’s possible. But it’s exceedingly unfair to make that call after 2 MLB starts.
LOL. Did you even read the article? You claim there was a lot of loud contact against him, yet the article clearly points out that his average exit velocity “has been an excellent 85 mph.”
I didn’t get to see the Cubs game, but in the Mets game it seemed like he might have been tipping pitches, specifically the offspeed stuff. It looked like a slower windup when the offspeed was coming, and the Mets were hanging back in the zone waiting for it.
Yup, mentioned in article. He should pick up arm speed on the change – 14mph differentiation is arguably too much, if you’re not also throwing a Warthen slider, or something.
Ah right. Well anyway, I’m surprised that the Mets picked up on it so quickly. Or at least, it seemed like they did.
This is a common problem for pitching prospects. It’s something that’s a lot easier to find when you have major-league video, coaching and analysis to study, but you just don’t get that infrastructure in the minors. Eduardo Rodriguez had this exact problem last year, and as with Urias, it was something that no one had noticed (or could notice) in the minors, but major league hitters and major league coaches catch it almost immediately.
I only saw the cubs game. Stuff is solid. Mistakes get punished more in the bigs even with good movement. I do think he needs to work on the change, noticed a slower arm speed. He looked way more combfortable throwing the slider than anything else.
Post a negative comment about Urias, receive numerous down votes.
While I’m not a fan of downvoting someone just because I disagree, that is how the votes are generally used. However, I’m pretty sure suggesting that a 19 year old might be just a AAA star after two big league starts is not world-class logic.
Also, using Doc Gooden as both
A) a one-person sample intending to demonstrate something about 19-year-old pitchers
B) a cautionary tale, as if he somehow demonstrates that we should be suspicious of really young pitchers, despite his 56.7 career WAR
is equally far from world-class logic
Why are you interested in posting a negative comment about a 19 year old who, until today, has never spent multiple days in a row with his Dodger teammates during the regular season and has been put up against two of the best teams in the game?
I’m not sure where you got the idea that I was interested in making negative comments about Urias. I was simply making an observation about this comment section. Cheers.
Was anyone else memorized by the 2 frames of the Bryant swing. Simply flawless.
OOOHHH, you better hope Johnforthegiants isn’t here reading this… he’ll tell you everything Bryant does wrong… as well as the rest of the team. Let him know you’re sorry now and maybe he won’t leave 40 comments.
The Dodgers have really done this kid a disservice. He’s a 19 year old kid. I have no problem promoting the kid, but keep him up for an extended period of time, not a day here or a week there. Let him get to know his teammates, let him watch a game with Kershaw to bounce ideas off him, let him have a chance to experience all of the other things that go into making a major league player. Not to mention, Urias did not grow up living the American-boy dream going to MLB games and witnessing the size of the crowds. So far he couldn’t make it out of the 3rd inning and they sent him to the airport only to say ‘hey, we’ll see you at Wrigley in two weeks’. Dodgers need to commit him to the majors or minors. The game is moving too fast for him right now and the only way to slow it down is appeasing Urias’ comfort level.
Two weeks? You’re just making shit up now… They brought him up last week because of a need, he pitched much more poorly than expected and was sent back down. There’s actually a rule that says you can’t recall a player within 10 days with the one exception of be called up to replace a played placed on the DL… so clearly they didn’t plan this. Within 4 days of being sent down, he was called back up… The Major League team had a need and felt he was their best asset. Instead of being reactionary, why not back off and see how they plan to handle him.
What they done already is a disservice. I don’t need to wait a year to say that a 19 year should either be consistently with the big league club or consistently not.
“Jeff: Why are Dodgers fans panicking on Julio Urias? He’s 19 years old. And thus far in his minor league career, he has shown the ability to make adjustments after poor outings. The Dodgers and their fans need to be patient with him or they’ll ruin a great prospect
Jeff Sullivan: Fans are irrational, which is why teams try their hardest not to listen to them”
Methinks they’re talking about you, Big Knockers (klassy moniker)!
Did you read what I said? Obviously not. I was being hard on the Dodgers, not the kid. Read again….