Let’s Poke the Washington Nationals with a Stick to See if They’re Still Alive

Brad Mills-USA TODAY Sports

What did the Nationals do to deserve scrutiny at this juncture? Absolutely nothing. If someone had signed Blake Snell this week, I would not be working myself up to caring about what the Nats have or have not done this offseason. But when Ben Clemens wrote about the Orioles’ sleepy winter (would that we all had the good fortune to sleep through winter), I found myself casting my gaze southwest, to the next stop on the I-95 corridor.

Because the Orioles at least won 100 games last year. They played in the playoffs. Okay, having witnessed the front end of their ALDS loss in person, “played” is probably too strong a word. “Appeared in” is more like it. But still, there’s a thriving — if perilously under-resourced — ballclub in Baltimore. In Washington, there is but the promise of such, and little evidence thus far of life in the primordial slurry that’s taken up residence in Nationals Park.

After winning the World Series in 2019, the Nationals suffered a championship hangover worthy of The Bonfire of the Vanities in 2020. By 2021, they were already dismantling the core of the championship roster. Anthony Rendon departed for California immediately after the World Series-winning season, to be followed by Adam Eaton after 2020, then Max Scherzer and Trea Turner at the 2021 trade deadline. Ryan Zimmerman retired at the end of 2021.

Most of these departures were necessary; Washington caught lightning in a bottle with a bit of an aging cast, and Turner is the only one of the pre-2022 Nationals castoffs whom they’d want to have back now.

When the Nationals started their fire sale at the 2021 deadline, I offered qualified praise. They had no use, as I said, for most of the players they’d just jettisoned. All that mattered was whether they could restock in time to return to contention by late 2024, when Juan Soto would be a free agent.

See, the Nationals had been clever and aggressive in fielding a consistent championship contender through the 2010s, but it’d be dishonest to pretend that they had not benefited from some extraordinary bounces. They not only had back-to-back no. 1 overall picks, but they’d had those picks in drafts that featured no-doubt generational prospects: Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper, respectively. The following year, picking sixth in the best draft for almost 10 years in either direction, they were lucky to land Rendon, who might have been the first player taken if he’d been healthy throughout his college career.

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To their credit, they parlayed that good fortune into a decade of winning baseball, and — in contrast to today’s Orioles — supplemented their homegrown all-stars with premium free agents. It took until the very end of the 2010s, and beyond Harper’s tenure with the organization, for it to result in a title, but “God blessed the broken road that led me straight to you,” the poet once said.

It was only after yet another future Hall of Famer, Soto, landed in their laps that the Nationals finally won a title. Even during the fire sale of 2021, I not only thought he could be the foundation of the next great Nationals team, I reckoned that such a team could be constructed before Soto decided whether or not to leave Washington when he had the chance.

Less than 12 months later, Washington traded Soto too. A week before the deal, I called Soto the most valuable player ever put on the trade block in baseball history, comparable to Wayne Gretzky when the Edmonton Oilers traded him to Los Angeles in 1988.

The 2021 fire sale and the Soto trade, put together, netted 19 players for Washington. One of them, Luke Voit, was in town long enough to find out that the real good stuff in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum’s collection is actually in the annex out by Dulles, but not long enough to actually go and visit it. Here’s what’s become of the other 18 players:

Fruits of the Fire Sale
Player Pos. Status, End of 2023 MLB ETA Control Through
Aldo Ramirez RHP Hasn’t pitched since 2021, unranked as prospect TBD TBD
CJ Abrams SS 151 G, .245/.300/.412, 2.1 WAR Now 2028
Donovan Casey OF Released from Double-A n/a n/a
Drew Millas C 11 G, .286/.375/.464, 0.2 WAR, No. 9 team prospect Now 2029
Gerardo Carrillo RHP Released from Double-A n/a n/a
James Wood OF No. 1 prospect in Nats system, No. 2 global 2025 TBD
Jarlin Susana RHP Low-A, No. 11 team prospect 2027 TBD
Josiah Gray RHP 30 GS, 159 IP, 3.91 ERA, 1.6 WAR Now 2027
MacKenzie Gore LHP 27 GS, 136 1/3 IP 4.42 ERA, 1.3 WAR Now 2027
Mason Thompson RHP 51 G, 54 IP, 5.50 ERA, 0.5 WAR Now 2027
Robert Hassell III OF Double-A, No. 10 team prospect 2024 TBD
Seth Shuman RHP Missed all of 2023 with Tommy John TBD TBD
Jordy Barley INF Finished 2023 at Triple-A, unranked as prospect TBD TBD
Keibert Ruiz C 136 G, .260/.308/.409, 0.0 WAR Now 2032
Lane Thomas OF 157 G, .258/.315/.468, 2.7 WAR Now 2025
Richard Guasch RHP 17.2 IP across three levels, unranked as prospect TBD TBD
Riley Adams C 44 G, .273/.331/.476, 0.4 WAR Now 2027
Terone Harris III 1B/OF 67 G, .249/.323/.343 at age 27 in Double-A TBD TBD
Red: Currently on 40-man roster
Blue: No longer with team
Yellow: Global Top-100 Prospect

That’s two average starting position players — Thomas and Abrams — probably three, because I don’t think Ruiz will continue to be as terrible going forward as he was in 2023. Plus two decent mid-rotation starters — Gore and Gray — and an absolute tentpole hitting prospect in Wood. And then you’ve got a Quad-A pitcher, some useful catching depth, a couple fringy prospects, three French hens, two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree.

As disappointing as it is that the likes of Gore, Abrams, and Hassell seem unlikely to reach their ultimate projected upside, the Nats did get more than a few useful big league roster players out of those trades. Enough to justify trading Soto instead of just immuring Scott Boras under a comically large pile of small-denomination bills? No. But some of these guys are OK.

Maybe the 2021-22 trade class can form the supporting cast for better players who are still to come. It’d surprise me if anyone on this list (apart from Wood) made an All-Star team as something more than the pity representative from a last-place team. But Wood is coming. And the Nationals spent their first two picks in the 2023 draft on college bats: The highly hyped LSU outfielder Dylan Crews and Miami third baseman Yohandy Morales. They should move fairly quickly.

But I want you to look at the team control column on that chart. I added it to highlight a problem the Nationals are going to have sooner than they realize. In both the 2021 and 2022 fire sales, they targeted quick-to-the-majors prospects, or even young big leaguers, in the hopes of a relatively rapid reload. Even if Wood and Crews turn out to be two-thirds of an elite outfield, by the time they’re big leaguers, Thomas will be gone, and Abrams, Gore, and Gray will be just a couple seasons from free agency. And the Nationals will have to start all over again.

That’ll be even harder than it sounds. The Nats built their last contender on the strength of lights-out drafting at the top of the first round. This time around, they’re struggling mightily to develop hitters. That organizational weakness has played a part in Abrams and Hassell backing up since they came over from San Diego, and has something to do with the relative paucity of breakout position player prospects.

As far as the top of the first round goes, it’s been a mixed back. Brady House, drafted 11th overall in 2021, looks fine. But Elijah Green, the no. 5 overall pick in 2022, looks like a total writeoff after just a season and a half in the pros. One risk that comes with drafting a prep power bat is the possibility that he’ll swing and miss at professional breaking stuff outside the zone. Green struggles to make contact even within the zone, necessitating a near-unprecedented turnaround if he’s going to make any sort of impact in the major leagues.

Given the Nationals’ meager talent output, both on internal development and through the trade market, it’d make sense for them to supplement their young big leaguers with established help acquired at the major league level. To say that the Rangers just won a World Series by doing this is overstating things, but there are worse role models for a rebuilding team to emulate.

Here is a list of every trade and major league free agent signing the Nationals have made since they got rid of Soto 18 months ago. Every single one:

Major Transactions Since the Soto Deal
Date Added Transaction Type
November 29, 2022 Jeimer Candelario Free Agent
November 29, 2022 Stone Garrett Free Agent
December 9, 2022 Trevor Williams Free Agent
December 20, 2022 Erasmo Ramírez Free Agent
January 3, 2023 Dominic Smith Free Agent
January 10, 2023 Cristian Jimenez Trade for AJ Alexy
January 10, 2023 Corey Dickerson Free Agent
July 31, 2023 DJ Herz, Kevin Made Trade for Jeimer Candelario
December 7, 2023 Nick Senzel Free Agent
December 12, 2023 Dylan Floro Free Agent

For those of you keeping score, that’s two trades, one of them a my-garbage-for-your-trash deal, the other a trade deadline dump of a player on an expiring one-year contract. And that’s one free agent signed to a multi-year contract: Trevor Williams, who had a 5.55 ERA in the first season of a two-year, $13 million deal.

If the Orioles are asleep, the Nationals resemble another famous motionless bird: They wouldn’t “Voom!” if you put four thousand volts through them.

I think the Nationals have escaped scrutiny because somewhere in 2021, mid-teardown, everyone realized that they were devoting huge resources to Strasburg and Patrick Corbin, two pitchers who were essential for the World Series effort but contributed nothing to the cause since. Those two pitchers are due some $70.4 million in real money in 2024, and count for $58.3 million against the competitive balance tax.

But it seems like “oh, they can’t do anything until the Strasburg and Corbin contracts run out” ossified in popular consciousness three years ago, and nobody bothered to check and see if time marches forward as inexorably in Washington as it does everywhere else. Because Corbin’s deal is up after this year, and Strasburg’s (who is retired in all but name) will be done after 2026.

And even considering how much dead money the Nats are carrying, they are spending absolutely nothing anywhere else on the major league roster. Washington’s estimated luxury tax payroll is $131.5 million, of which almost half is devoted to Corbin and Strasburg.

The Nationals are on track to spend just over $20 million on the stuff that gets marked down as “miscellaneous” in a real team’s budget (minor league salaries, the pre-arb bonus pool, and player benefits) and about $52 million on their actual non-Corbin major league roster.

Usually, writing one of these posts follows a pretty predictable pattern. I come up with a topic and spend several hours thinking about how to frame it. Then I read a little about the players involved, check some stats, run a couple queries, start writing, format a table or two, write some more, and eventually at the end of the day I stumble headlong into a conclusion and end the article.

I don’t have a conclusion here, because after having spent more time inhabiting the mental space of Washington Nationals leadership than I would ordinarily care to, I am left without any idea of what the plan is supposed to be.

The Reds developed two or three standout youngsters and backed into 80 wins with a cheapo payroll, but the Nats can’t do that. They play in a division with two of the three best teams in the NL (the Braves and Phillies), the richest team in either league (the Mets), and a fourth team that made the playoffs last year and has more young talent at or near the major league level (the Marlins).

If the Nationals want to make another run for the pennant before Crews and Wood hit free agency — let alone Gray, Abrams, and the others — they’ll have to get legitimately good, and fast. I don’t know how this organization, as currently constituted, can pull that off.

More likely, this is a pretext for a sale. After the death of owner Ted Lerner last year, we’re into second-generation ownership. Handing things over to Michael, Gob, and Lindsay Bluth has spelled disaster for basically every MLB team that’s been unfortunate enough to lose its owner in the past 20 years.

It’d take franchise-altering investment from some petrostate’s sovereign wealth fund, or some similarly well-heeled new owner, to put the Nats back on track anytime soon. Absent that… hey, maybe the plan was to just fly under the radar indefinitely, hoping nobody noticed an increasingly long string of 90-loss campaigns. In which case, I apologize for screwing with the master plan. It wouldn’t have happened if someone had signed Snell.





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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g4Member since 2020
2 years ago

Love the last two sentences. Bravo sir.

I’m sure you are spot on about the ultimate plan being to maximize sale price, but I noticed the words “deferred money” appear nowhere in the article. Considering the Nats’ heavy reliance on that approach, and I’m curious how much more dead money is in play here beyond Strasburg/Corbin. Just something that crossed my mind in light the recent Ohtani contract hysteria. Even deferred, the bill does come due eventually.

Chili Davis Eyes
2 years ago
Reply to  g4

According to the internet, Scherzer is getting $15m this year, Raphael Soriano is getting $2m, and Brad Hand (who played for the Nats at some point?) is getting 1.5.

g4Member since 2020
2 years ago

Scherzer gets $15M every year through 2028. Strasburg gets $80M over ’27-’29. New ownership will certainly be concerned about the cumulative total.

Granted, that shouldn’t stop Rizzo from signing a player now to a 1-year deal. But what noticeable difference would an available player like that make?

PhilMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  g4

But shouldn’t any deferrals already be in escrow (as the Dodgers will have to do with Ohtani’s money) – so already paid for (and presumably earning interest) – so it isn’t a liability that a new owner will need to take on.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  Phil

Whoever said deferrals are always put in escrow? What’s the point of deferring money in the first place if you have the money available now?

mikejuntMember
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

The CBA requires the deferrals to be ‘fully funded’ by July 1 of the year 2 years after the end of the season (so, for example, for Ohtani’s 2024 deferrals, the Dodgers must ‘fully fund’ them by July 1 2026). This funding doesn’t have to be in cash – it can be in investments. In the Dodgers’ case, since Ohtani deferred without interest, they will retain the interest/earnings on these investments. Situations without 0% interest will have more complicated math to do.

Since you can secure the deferrals with non-cash, it’s not really a cash flow problem – you just put some of your investment assets into securing that you wouldn’t plan to cash out until then, anyway.

JCCfromDCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  g4

What’s funny is that the Nats are routinely criticized for deferring money, but it’s a common feature of player contracts. The Red Sox are still paying Manny Ramirez. The Reds are still paying Ken Griffey. Heck, Chris Davis was the highest paid player on the Orioles last year, getting nearly $15M. But when the Dodgers do it with Ohtani, Freeman, et al., it’s a genius move that the league should prevent.

bernardgilkeyhasaposseMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  g4

Give it 25-30 years, it will be Goerge Michael and Maeby’s turn!

achidesterMember since 2020
2 years ago

I’m sure it will be Annyong at that point.

twobetrayals
2 years ago
Reply to  achidester

Give me Buster the cartographer running my yacht any day.

eely225Member since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  twobetrayals

Say what you will, the man knows how to identify blue land.

Anon21Member since 2018
2 years ago

I hate the goddamn Nationals, so this is mostly good stuff. If a sale doesn’t materialize, maybe instead they could just contract the franchise out of existence, raze their ballpark to the ground, and ban all their season ticket-holders for life. Just spitballing here!

But speaking of Strasburg being retired in all but name…was there any follow-up reporting on what exactly happened when they abruptly canceled the press conference that was to announce his formal retirement? Is it exactly as shameful as it appeared–ownership is putting Strasburg to a choice between giving up the money rightfully due to him or continuing with painful, pointless, and potentially damaging rehab activities and procedures?

mikejuntMember
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Its amazing how many downvotes this got for hating the Nationals without being irrational. People hate their rival teams! They wish them poor outcomes! It is ok!

I would like the Giants to never have another .500 season in the history of forever. That doesn’t mean it’s going to happen! It’s how rivalries work.

OneearMember since 2018
2 years ago

There’s always money in the banana booth.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Oneear

I mean, how much could a banana cost? $10?

Deacon DrakeMember since 2017
2 years ago

As far as “blockbusters” go, I was low on the return for Soto at first. Abrams was supposed to be a sure thing, maybe no an all-star, but everyday player for a decade. Gore, if he could stay healthy, is a decent lefty arm, and Hassell’s FLOOR was supposed to be Lane Thomas’ CEILING… but more or less, 2.0 WAR guys that we nice but not sexy… I’m sure Wood and Susana were scouted, but were almost like throw-ins, unknowns…. then we got to see them in A at the end of 2022.

Wood, about 20 lbs lighter, looked like next coming of Darryl Strawberry… like an adult playing with children… effortlessly moving around the outfield and bases, not pitch he couldn’t handle. Susana looked like he was also in the back yard with the kids, flinging wiffle balls past batters before they had a chance to realize the ball was out of his hand.

Pretty solid return, and if the MASN thing and ownership thing we resolved, the Nats would be on the cusp… but those things aren’t going to be resolved soon, and most billionaires only want town a team to get in on the sports grift…. few are looking to spend to take advantage of risks.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Deacon Drake

Wood was always the big get there, and he’s lived up to expectations. I think he’s going to be a star. Everything else has been pretty lousy.

wadz
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Abrams is a probable t10 SS in baseball in 24.. Gore is solidified MoR.. that’s better than lousy.. Ruiz was above average for a C offensively in 23 but the defense fell off.

Hassell off his wrist issues has been a bust so far.. The Green pick at #5 so far which looked completely ridiculous when they made so far also reeks..

Some good some bad which happens with these trades.. Nats desperately need good outcomes on the Crews, Wood, House, Cavalli collective and nail their top picks next two drafts… spending will come.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  wadz

Probable top 10 shortstop in baseball? Solidified middle of rotation? I think you’ve overestimated these guys by about 25% here. Nothing about Gore is solidified, and if you throw out the guys who are going to play at other positions or are likely not going to play again in MLB (e.g., Wander Franco) Abrams no better than #12.

Lemme see: Seager, Witt, Lindor, Bichette, Bogaerts, Correa, Trea Turner, Gunnar (or Jackson Holliday), JP Crawford, Dansby Swanson, and Adames should all be clearly ahead of him. If Tommy Edman plays shortstop he would in there too (so would Kim and McLain as well). Then you’ve got Abrams in with a big mess of guys like Neto, Volpe, Jeremy Pena, Tovar, Elly de La Cruz, Jordan Lawlar…I could see him beating out about half of those guys, but I couldn’t tell you which ones and probably not all of them.

wadz
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Well Abrams just provided 20 HR 60 SB full season rates from July-Sept of his age 22 season.. Gore in his first full season fell off a bit but showed that that ability most of the season

Sure it’s some projection with both but I’m arguing against you categorizing them in a pool of lousy

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d add Oneil Cruz to that big “mess” you’ve got there. But he can’t really play shortstop so the Pirates will definitely play him at short.

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I would easily take CJ Abrams over Correa, Bogaerts or Swanson. I just don’t get the narrative that Abrams is “decent”. He is much better than that.

lacslyer
2 years ago
Reply to  montreal

You’d take Abrams for his potential while he hasn’t even shown capability of being replacement level over Swanson and Bogaerts? Two of the best at their position? For a kid who hasn’t proven he’s capable of being an above average starter?

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montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

Did you not see what Abrams did last year ? What do you mean he hasn’t proved anything. His numbers speak for themselves. Bogaerts ?? Are you talking about his 2019 power season ? Abrams already has equal power and steals bases like a fiend. Swanson ? a .250 hitter with slightly more power but his running game not close to Abrams. Abrams=23 Bogaerts=31 Swanson=30

wadz
2 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

Abrams was worth 2.8 WAR (Averaging fWAR, bWAR) in his age 22 season.. and from July 1 on in 23 had 11 HRs.. 38 SBs..

Petey BienelMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

he’s not better now than Bogaerts or Swanson, and probably not for several years. That said, Abrams was 2.1 fWAR last year and projected at 2.9/2.4 WAR on Steamer/ZiPS for next, so the “replacement level” comment also is pretty off base, too. Maybe better to say average to above average isn’t better than most of the guys Sadtrombone listed.

mikejuntMember
2 years ago
Reply to  Petey Bienel

I admit I think I could see an argument for taking Abrams over Correa at this point, Correa’s fall has been abrupt and seems to be related to diminished ability due to injury he might not recover; he certainly doesn’t belong in the Seager-Lindor conversation the way he used to.

Bogaerts and Swanson probably both have a couple years before I’d expect them to decline enough for Abrams to reliably catch ’em. With that said, defense has a tendency to simply have the floor fall out in the 30s for some shortstops and move them off the position, so that’s certainly a possibility for a lot of the guys entering that range, especially the ones who have never been elite defenders to begin with.

I can see taking Abrams in the top 10 if you really believe his 2nd half was the result of him doing something different and establishing himself at the major league level and not small sample size stuff. I can also understand why people would not be willing to accept that rationale.

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Geez CJ Abrams is already bordering on stardom. They have to be happy with him. Trade Hassell for a good starting pitcher.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  montreal

I’m wiling to accept that he is better than “lousy” but the evidence suggests he doesn’t get on base, doesn’t have power, and doesn’t play defense well. There’s some value in baserunning and being able to stand at shortstop, especially if his later season defense holds. But if this is what passes for bordering on stardom then there are a lot of borderline stars out there.

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montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

OK I was talking about hitting. Maybe I should have been clear. But Abrams can switch positions. He hit 18 Home Runs. He scored over 80 runs. He stole 47 bases. At 23 years old. There is no way he can only be considered an “ok” offensive player. I’m surprised at your view. ( defence aside)

wadz
2 years ago
Reply to  montreal

As a 22 year old SS.. he was 2 HRs and 3 SBs shy of a 20 HR, 50 SB season.. and he had a rough first half… I mean.

His ISO from his age 21 to 22 season jumped from .077 to .167.. no power? His defense improved during the season too.. He’s 23 the entirety of the 2024 season. He arguably has t5 SS in baseball potential 2-3 years from now.

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Petey BienelMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

in 2023, he showed huge platoon splits. He handle righties well all year (445 PAs, .274 / .322 / .464, with 15 HRs, .335 wOBA). Not elite, but above average. He needs to hit lefties (.231 wOBA). I guess the guy gets an incomplete as a hitter. Lot of projection and needs improvement with a wide variance on what he becomes.

warkol
2 years ago

I think the lack of activity between the Orioles and Nationals are actually pretty related. From what it’s sounded like all offseason, the Orioles ownership (the Angelos family) have been interested/looking at selling the team. Two things stick out to me in that besides the general reported interest:

  1. The Orioles renewed their lease at OPACY with Baltimore, guaranteeing at least another 20 (?) plus years of the franchise in their current location.
  2. MASN (owned by the Orioles/Angelos family) has started to begin payouts of the tumultuous and very argued over rights fees to the Nationals. 2012-2016 were agreed upon over the summer ($100M), 2017-2021 were agreed upon over the winter ($300M).

If I’m trying to buy a team, those are two extremely major things I would want cleared up before making any moves. Additionally, I would imagine in the case of trying to sell a team, major contracts in free agency (for the Orioles) would be avoided.

that now leads to the Nationals who have been “selling” the franchise for over a year. In the same vein, I’d expect interested Nationals buyers are also awaiting to get more information on the rest of the MASN rights fees, or if they’re able to pursue other television deals once the Angelos family sells the Orioles, as that’s obviously a major source of revenue (and largely guaranteed revenue rather than ticket sales).

that bit of uncertainty, plus as mentioned in the article, some of the looming big contracts (Corbin, Strasburg) and the deferrals to come, it makes sense the Nationals are weary of making big free agency splashes at the present time. Longest deal they’ve done since Corbin was extending Keibert Ruiz on a pretty team friendly deal (assuming he lives up to it).

TL;DR, MASN is a major pain in the ass and I would imagine both sides would agree with that.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  warkol

That’s exactly right. The buyer most commonly connected to the Nationals is Ted Leonsis, who owns NBC Sports Washington. He clearly wants to add the Nationals to his portfolio and broadcast the stuff on his own channel. If the Nationals get a divorce from the Orioles and MASN (which seems at this point to be the best possible outcome for everyone) then I think everything else slots into place nicely.

warkol
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

it’s a shame he owns the network as well (not sure how common that is across other teams). The Wizards’ side of things with NBCSW/Monumental have gotten a lot of bad press whether that’s moving on from beloved PBP/Color Commentators, having a lot of heavy influence on what is publicized by the network (less negative press), etc… it’s definitely a better situation than MASN, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t know exactly how Ted plans to approach the Nationals. The Capitals are still his baby as long as Alex Ovechkin plays there, they and the Wizards both are moving out of DC to Alexandria.. there’s a lot on his plate I’d say.

I guess what I’m getting at is I would prefer the Nationals to be owned by someone other than Ted, especially given his stranglehold of sports media in DC. Then again if he’s going to give the Nationals the same treatment/devotion he does as the Capitals, that would probably bode well. I’m just a bit weary over all of it.

Petey BienelMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

perhaps Baumann’s reference to petrostate money is a reference to one of the Persian gulf state’s sovereign wealth fund having taken a stake in Monumental (Leonsis’s sports group).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Petey Bienel

Can you f’ing imagine a scenario where the Saudi royal family buys a team in Washington DC to launder their image?

Petey BienelMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

it’s Qatar’s sovereign wealth fund that holds 5% of Monumental, but if they can negotiate during the current situation, then handling Boras would be a piece of cake.

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You know that is a scary thought. The Dodgers, Braves and Yankees are not a problem in MLB……but if the Saudi’s ever got involved they would ruin baseball.

JCCfromDCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Petey Bienel

I had the same thought.

wadz
2 years ago

What’s the mystery?

Isn’t classic rebuilding accumulating prospects and resetting payroll?

Nats likely will add a few more placeholders by the time ST comes but seem content to let the prospects develop and play for the 25 lotto again…

The state of the Nationals will look different next offseason..

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  wadz

There is no mystery. There’s no set of reasonable moves or $ that could be spent right now that would make the Nationals competitive in their own division, let alone the league.

fanofthemanMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Sure but even if they aren’t trying to be competitive, in places where you don’t hav any young guys to block you can sign some more Jeimar Candelario’s to both make your team more respectable and to take a shot at them doing well enough to flip for prospects. It’s not surprising they haven’t signed any big money deals but it is surprising that there have been so few deals involving major league players

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  fanoftheman

Candelario was an unusual case, a productive regular who got non-tendered after a down season. I think the sorts of players who might fit in that category are getting. Closest examples are probably Hoskins and Joc Pederson but contenders are interested in them already. Don’t think they will slip through. Maybe Amed Rosario or Tim Anderson or Adam Frazier will.

I said this last season too but the best place to sign guys to do this is relievers. They’re volatile so they come cheap, but if they are having a good year they have a lot more value at the trade deadline.

There are probably starters who fit this description too but it will be a couple more weeks before they’ll take a cheap deal with the Nationals. The starting pitching market is very hot.

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I didn’t mind adding Candelario at all for the Reds but I assumed they would trade India for pitching. Silly because 7 regulars can not fit into 5 spots.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  fanoftheman

Signing Candelario wouldn’t make sense. They would have to pay full market price for him, which would make him less valuable in a trade…and there is no point in paying 15 million more per season simply to win 2 more games and move further down in the draft.

Teams at this point on the curve should be taking on reclamation projects that don’t block future contributors in hopes that if the project turns their career around then they are traded.

Ashburn Alley
2 years ago
Reply to  wadz

Yes they will be even worse because all of their prospects will continue to suck

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago

“That’s two average starting position players — Thomas and Abrams — probably three, because I don’t think Ruiz will continue to be as terrible going forward as he was in 2023. Plus two decent mid-rotation starters — Gore and Gray — and an absolute tentpole hitting prospect in Wood. And then you’ve got a Quad-A pitcher, some useful catching depth, a couple fringy prospects, three French hens, two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree.”

I actually think this is a pretty good return for a bunch of players that weren’t going to be around anyway.

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Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
2 years ago

Nats fan here – I was kind of concerned about the timeframe you pointed out even back at the time of the trades, when it was clear that guys like Gore and Ruiz did not fit in the same timeline as Brady House and Cristhian Vaquero. It felt like they were trying to assemble an Astros-style “we have a wave of prospects coming every year!” type farm system, but with only 5 guys instead of endless depth.

And the depth thing comes back to the failure to develop. Something is fundamentally, deeply messed up with the Nats’ development system, and the new hire regime from last offseason doesn’t appear to have fixed it yet. Let’s play Let’s Remember a Recent Nats Prospect Who Was Supposed to Be Really Good. Carter Kieboom, Keibert Ruiz, Robert Hassell, Victor Robles, Erick Fedde…did someone cry uncle?

Here it’s worth looking back at Eric’s 2018 Nats list, where Juan Soto had a FV of 50 and Robles had a FV of 65. Even “successes” like Robles and Luis Garcia are, arguably, failures right now. The only recent development successes the Nats have had are can’t-miss, no-doubt, no-messing-them-up guys like Rendon and Strasburg and the freak eye of a future Hall of Famer.

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Ryan DCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

They haven’t successfully developed a starting pitcher since…Tanner Roark maybe? Joe Ross sort of before his arm disintegrated? Lots of Nats pitching prospects have gone on to great success elsewhere though. I agree, their player development has been broken for a long time.

idliaminMember since 2024
2 years ago

[I stand by the following 27.4-63.8%.] And yet, as a Mets fan, I feel like the Mets will still somehow manage to finish behind the Nats. The Mets’ pitching staff outside of Senga (who is going to regress) and Díaz (who’s coming off a devastating injury and will never be the same again) is garbage.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

The next good Nationals team will be built around James Wood and Dylan Crews and maybe Brady House or Yohandy Morales. They’re all set to come up right around the same time, and while Crews didn’t have a great time of it in AA there’s no reason to sell on him just yet. If anyone else works out, that would be a bonus but I don’t think they should count on it. Either the team control isn’t enough for they’ve got too many red flags. Some of them will emerge, and some of them won’t.

Of the guys in the majors…I think they’re all expendable. Maybe they stick around as role players, but at least some of them will get flipped for more prospects that can add to their big pile of “hopefully they emerge” prospects that could complement Wood / Crews / House / Morales.

The real story is that once all those guys are up, then they hopefully have new ownership and they can start hunting for big-name starters. They don’t really need to do it right now, but they could take a swing at Corbin Burnes next offseason, or Dylan Cease or Zac Gallen in the offseason after that. Or Walker Buehler if he’s healthy. And they’d probably offer $300M to Roki Sasaki once he’s posted, although probably other teams will too. That’s the scenario they’re looking at.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

As for the other guys…

I certainly wouldn’t call Gray and Gore ideal “mid-rotation starters” on a playoff team but they’re likely to be competent major league pitchers of some kind. If one ends up as a #4 and another as a #5, that would be a good outcome for them. They’re under team control through 2027, they’re the kinds of guys who you could flip for for more prospects or extend if they keep being good.

Thomas was an obvious trade candidate last year, and the fact that they didn’t trade him despite the total lack of useful hitters at the deadline is not good. Hopefully for them he gets off to a hot start.

CJ Abrams is not a good fit for this team’s timeline. I know what the projections and prospect pedigree say. He has major defensive questions and both his statcast metrics and swing decisions range from mediocre to bad. His whole game is based on speed, and once that starts to go I doubt he’s going to contribute much. I would honestly trade him now to a team that wants him while he can still run and get some more help for Wood and Crews.

I just don’t think there’s anything to get attached to here. Maybe they’re fine, maybe they’re not. You shouldn’t be planning around them.

JCCfromDCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Just when do you think that Abrams’s speed will start to go? He just played his age 22 season and he’s built like a whip.Unless his speed starts to go in the next couple of years, it’s not really an impact on the Nats’ decision making. On Nats fan boards there has already been a shift from “why did the Nats acquire Abrams?” to “why haven’t the Nats signed Abrams to an extension yet?” The common thread, of course, being that the Nats are incompetent. But that’s routine in fan commentary.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  JCCfromDC

That’s an interesting question. Probably not in 2024 or 2025. Probably some risk in 2026, but not a lot. That’s probably the sweet spot for dealing him since that’s where the risk starts and it’s about halfway to free agency. Only problem is that then the prospects you get will be a couple years away and Wood and Crews will probably be established in some form, so the timeline doesn’t line up.

I suppose there’s also the issue that right now he’s a shiny bauble that people get super excited about and in a couple of years if he’s just a 2-win player he will have little trade value. But that’s also why the fans you reference are demanding he be extended, it would be a very tough sell to trade him after he finally gave some excitement to the fans.

JCCfromDCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I mean, by B-R WAR he’s already put up a 3.4 WAR season at age 22. You note that if he’s just a 2-WAR player he will have little trade value. The flip side of that is that if he matures into a 4-5 WAR player he’s going to be very valuable, to the Nats and to potential trade partners if the Nats have an alternative at SS. Hopefully the Nats are good enough at that point to be more interested in having Abrams play SS than in the prospects that he could bring back.

Both outcomes (2 WAR vs. 4-5 WAR) are on the table. Which is why it’s easier to GM in hindsight than prospectively.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  JCCfromDC

If you believe DRS, sure, enjoy your 3.5 win player. There’s a reason why DRS has been deprecated in every place that matters in favor of OAA.

Will H.
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I literally (used correctly) don’t think I’ve broken out the “eye test” comment ever on FG, but I watched way more Nats games than I thought I would last year and CJ seemed to have gotten his fielding legit coached up. I don’t think the public defensive metrics are trustworthy and so don’t worry about WAR here, and I’m not going to speak to offense (as the fact that he was so green suggests improvements could be real, but that is kinda cancelled out by the fact that it was really just a two month bump), but were you able to watch him in the field over the season?

Not a snarky rhetorical question, just I did and (for what little it’s worth) to me those were genuine improvements in skill. He is still raw and I feel that he was open to being shaped and for once the Nats seemed to be able to do a little development in that regard.

JCCfromDCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

MLB Network analysts still routinely reference both. From my perspective it is clear that, for most commenters, the “most reliable metric” is “the metric that most closely approximates my existing opinion.”

JCCfromDCMember since 2016
2 years ago

This is certainly the “glass half empty” take on the Nationals. I will note that many of the trades go from “OK” to “pretty good” if one simply uses B-R WAR instead of FG. Suddenly Josiah Gray (3.1 WAR), CJ Abrams (3.4 WAR), and Keibert Ruiz (1.3 WAR, signed to an extremely affordable long term extension) look much better. And Lane Thomas (3.3 WAR) and Mackenzie Gore (2.0 WAR) also improve. There’s no doubt that Hassell has regressed, but he also suffered an injury (broken hamate bone) that is known to set power back. This is a crossroads season for him. It’s also odd to describe Abrams as “backing up” since the Nationals acquired him, given that he bounced hard off of MLB while with SD. Is it really a setback if a player in 2022 goes from a .605 OPS (76 OPS+) in 46 games with the Padres to a .603 OPS (74 OPS+) in 44 games with the Nationals? He then improved to a .712 (95 OPS+) with the Nationals in 2023. With an impressive 47/4 SB/CS total as well. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Abrams makes an All-Star team in the next few years, on merit. 3.4 WAR in a player’s age 22 season is nothing to sneeze at.

Another problem is the return to the tired “they should have signed Soto to an extension” trope so common in the commentariat. The trope simply assumes that it is up to the Nationals. The key moment was that, when the Nationals offered Soto $440M, he and Boras didn’t even make a counteroffer. [I’ll note that the Padres also traded Soto, the Dodgers failed to extend Scherzer or Turner, and yet have largely escaped criticism] Soto has put himself into a position where he’s going to free agency. Good for him! But pretending that the Nats could have prevented it is the time honored debate technique of assuming your conclusion. Had Soto reached free agency with the Nationals it would have been with a team that didn’t have Gore and Abrams on the squad or Wood waiting in the wings. The team was awful in 2022 WITH Soto. They were an old, sad, and horrifically bad team in 2022. They went to being a younger, hopeful, and merely routinely bad team in 2023.They were certainly more watchable. There’s an argument that they have a better chance of signing Soto under these facts than they would have if they had ridden out their years of team control because the team has a more plausible argument for being in contention with the kids than without them. It won’t happen, not least because if there’s a position where the Nationals have prospect depth it’s in the outfield. But it’s there.

Baumann’s last paragraph is simply snark, but it’s January. Hot takes help keep things warm even when they’re gratuitous (as most hot takes are).

Sure, even the “glass half full” take leaves the team with significant problems. The Atlanta team isn’t going away any time soon, and the Phillies and Mets have much deeper pockets than the Nationals. The player development absolutely deserves scrutiny. They’ve made a number of changes there and in their IFA program, but there’s no guarantee that they will. But I shudder when I think of the team with Soto but without the youngsters. I’d much rather watch this group and see what happens.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  JCCfromDC

FWIW the Dodgers avoided scrutiny for letting Scherzer and Turner walk by plowing the money into other star players and, most importantly, continuing to win lots of baseball games.

JCCfromDCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

OK. There was a lot more to my comment, but as far as that one aside goes, that’s fair.

Ryan DCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  JCCfromDC

This year will be pretty definitive in determining which of their young guys and upper-level prospects will be worth anything or if they plateau at mediocrity. Need to see a lot of guys take substantial steps forward to feel good about the immediate future.

The Duke
2 years ago

Shouldn’t it have been 5 fringy prospects, A four A pitcher, three French hens, two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree.

RMD4
2 years ago

Could you have a whole article just on “what ended up happening to teams after the owner kicks the bucket” and the kids get control? I’ll get my popcorn ready.

NATS FanMember since 2018
2 years ago

We won 17 more games in 2023 than 2022! Its not THAT bad! sure we can’t develop anyone for beans we draft. But, we are improving everywhere some. I think Gray and Gore are legit 4th SPs now ( 2 WAR pitchers) and could get better. Irvin is a legit 5th and improving. All three will improve as Ruiz improves his catching and we win more often. Ruiz has to be a better catcher. his bat is fine for a catcher. Abrams is a legit MLB SS but probably not a star. he could be signed longer to be a solid SS for our future winner. Many guys are not that good at 22, but get much better by 26 if they played at 22. Our future OF looks bright for 2025.

Murph3Member since 2025
2 years ago

“Handing things over to Michael, Gob, and Lindsay Bluth . . .”

“What about Buster? Everyone’s laughing, and riding, and cornballing, except Buster.”

JohnnyRingoFWC
2 years ago

Seems like a better question is, what can they do?

Do you trade young guys right now?

What free agents should they be signing that they are not?

Seems to me like they are stuck, but the moves haven’t been horrible and still might work out.

Even guys like Joey M could break back out again.

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago

Geez while I agree this off season has been a cone of silence I think CJ Abrams is on the verge of stardom and Mac Gore still has a shot at being very good. Keibert Ruiz is an excellent catcher and James Wood will be there next year. Victor Robles enters a make or break year but he has the skills. The only problem I see is the starting pitching is bad. Other than Gore. 2024 won’t be a good year for the Nats but 2025 will be with one caveat. They will need to acquire an Ace starter. Free agency is the route so they can keep their prospects. They must know that. I don’t like 2024 but I do like the Nat’s future. (assuming they get an Ace)

NATS FanMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  montreal

I agree except Ruiz was among the worst defensive catchers last season. So he has a ton of work to do to stay at catcher.

Petey BienelMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Robles is not a part of the Nats beyond 2024. He either shows last April was a mirage, in which case he probably loses his job to Young as a placeholder until Woods/Crews takes over, or, if last April was real, then he needs to be dealt in June / July because there’s Young with Woods/Crews behind him. This is his last year of team control. If he’s good, he walks as an FA. If none of Woods / Crews /Hassell /Pinckney /Vaquero can play CF, then the team is a worse CF than Baumann says it is.

Lanidrac
2 years ago

Most valuable player ever put on the trade block in baseball history? What about guys like Rogers Hornsby, Steve Carlton, and, ya know, Babe Ruth?

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
2 years ago

Given the timeline issues mentioned where Wood/Crews are poorly timed, why not make a Rays style pre arb trade?

TheodoreMember since 2017
2 years ago

After signing Strasburg and Harper, both Boras clients, Ted Lerner and his son Mark began to see the baseball world through a Boras prism. Many of the unsigned free agents are Boras clients and he no doubt has used the Lerners to bid up the price. Will the Nationals sign Cody Bellinger? No, but have they submitted a lucrative offer? I would bet so. The talk about the Nationals wanting a left-handed power bat is geared toward their quixotic pursuit of Bellinger. When Bellinger comes off the board, next up will be Rhys Hoskins. The question is whether Boras rewards the Nationals for their service. Does he leave then at the end of the dance with only a glass slipper.

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Petey BienelMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Theodore

Joey Gallo. Like Bellinger, except nowhere near as good last year and nowhere near as expensive. But they are both tall.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Petey Bienel

FWIW Gallo’s 3-year WAR total is slightly higher