Mapping a Francisco Lindor Extension

The Mets acquired Francisco Lindor and Carlos Carrasco for little more than a song this offseason, the team’s new ownership making a splash just two months after officially taking over. A one-year rental of Lindor’s services plus Carrasco was enough to give New York an argument for being the favored squadron in the NL East in a likely battle with Atlanta. But what’s the fun of being a large-market team if you’re not going to act like one? Just like the Dodgers, who quickly moved to ink Mookie Betts for the next dozen years after their blockbuster pickup, the Mets have deep pockets and play in a city with limitless revenue potential. Keeping Lindor, if possible, ought to be the team’s priority. Reggie Jackson didn’t go into the Hall of Fame as an Oriole!

While no concrete terms or even loose parameters have leaked, both Lindor’s camp and the Mets have been interested in talking deal. Waiting around to see what happens is one option, but it’s a good deal more fun to play fantasy billionaire ourselves. I didn’t develop a projection system just to get people mad at me — at least not entirely.

Mega-star contracts are difficult because you don’t have a lot of direct comparables. Fernando Tatis Jr. signed a monster 14-year, $340 million pact with the Padres, but there are reasons he should get more than Lindor: He’s five years younger and coming off an MVP-caliber season. On the flip side, Tatis also had less leverage, with four full seasons until free agency.

The best place to start is the basic projection for Lindor from 2022 on. I’m letting ZiPS decide where the endpoint is, given that we don’t have any specifics to work with.

ZiPS Projection – Francisco Lindor
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .264 .331 .491 595 95 157 38 2 31 85 56 106 17 122 7 5.3
2023 .265 .332 .495 582 94 154 37 2 31 85 55 99 17 123 6 5.3
2024 .266 .333 .501 563 91 150 35 2 31 83 53 94 17 125 5 5.1
2025 .265 .329 .499 543 87 144 33 2 30 79 49 88 18 123 4 4.8
2026 .263 .325 .495 521 82 137 30 2 29 76 45 82 16 121 3 4.3
2027 .260 .321 .484 496 75 129 27 3 26 71 41 75 15 117 2 3.7
2028 .254 .311 .455 468 67 119 24 2 22 62 36 67 14 107 1 2.7
2029 .247 .301 .435 437 59 108 21 2 19 54 31 59 12 99 0 1.9
2030 .240 .291 .396 404 50 97 17 2 14 44 26 50 10 86 -2 0.9

Right now, ZiPS projects that a Lindor extension ought to be something in the neighborhood of nine years and $279.7 million. Let’s round that up to $280 million, because what’s $300,000 between friends? It doesn’t have as flashy a bottom-line figure as the Tatis deal, but it pays Lindor more on an annual basis, and both sides take a risk by signing a contract a year in advance.

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Just to get an idea about the risks at stake, here are the projections based on Lindor having his 10th-percentile and 90th-percentile projections for 2021.

ZiPS Projection – Francisco Lindor (After 90th-Percentile 2021)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .276 .345 .523 595 102 164 38 2 35 97 59 95 27 134 7 6.5
2023 .274 .344 .527 573 98 157 39 2 34 94 57 90 24 134 6 6.2
2024 .278 .347 .541 558 97 155 38 2 35 95 55 85 24 139 5 6.3
2025 .277 .345 .545 538 93 149 35 2 35 93 53 81 24 139 4 6.0
2026 .276 .341 .539 518 87 143 33 2 33 88 48 75 22 136 3 5.5
2027 .271 .333 .528 494 81 134 30 2 31 83 43 70 21 131 2 4.7
2028 .267 .327 .506 468 73 125 27 2 27 74 38 63 19 124 1 3.9
2029 .259 .315 .479 436 64 113 23 2 23 64 33 55 18 114 -1 2.9
2030 .252 .305 .444 405 55 102 20 2 18 54 28 48 15 102 -2 1.8
2031 .244 .293 .405 373 47 91 16 1 14 45 23 40 13 89 -4 0.8

 

ZiPS Projection – Francisco Lindor (After 10th-Percentile 2021)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .254 .317 .449 602 93 153 34 1 27 81 51 119 17 107 7 4.1
2023 .254 .318 .460 578 90 147 34 2 27 80 50 113 14 110 6 4.0
2024 .258 .320 .472 563 89 145 33 2 28 80 48 106 14 114 5 4.1
2025 .260 .322 .480 542 86 141 31 2 28 79 46 100 14 116 4 4.1
2026 .257 .316 .473 522 81 134 28 2 27 75 42 95 12 113 3 3.6
2027 .255 .312 .472 498 75 127 26 2 26 71 38 86 12 111 2 3.2
2028 .251 .307 .455 470 68 118 23 2 23 64 34 77 11 106 1 2.5
2029 .246 .297 .424 439 60 108 20 2 18 55 29 68 10 95 -1 1.6
2030 .240 .287 .398 405 52 97 17 1 15 47 24 58 8 85 -2 0.7

In the sunnier projection, ZiPS pegs his future deal at a whopping 10 years and $371 million. The weaker year projects to lose him about $50 million on a nine-year contract. This is a larger spread than usual, simply because there’s a little more uncertainty about Lindor right now than most superstar situations. If Mike Trout were a free agent after the 2021 season, it’s hard to envision his contract getting that much larger based on this season, simply because there’s very little ceiling left. In Lindor’s case, as marvelous as he’s been throughout his career, he hasn’t established that 7.7 WAR from 2018 as his baseline expectation. In 2019, he missed essentially all of spring training and then most of April due to calf and ankle injuries, and in 2020, he lost about a hundred points of slugging percentage from the year before. Just like there’s room to go down, there’s still room for him to go up.

The Mets have more than Lindor to worry about in terms of free agents-to-be, with Michael Conforto, Marcus Stroman, and Noah Syndergaard all unsigned past 2021. But I’d argue that Lindor’s skillset is the hardest to replace. Thor comes with the big question mark coming off Tommy John surgery, Conforto is excellent but still a corner outfielder, and Stroman’s ceiling is likely a rock-solid No. 2 starter. What Lindor brings is the threat to be the best player in baseball at his position in any given season while also being the youngest of the quartet.

Even with Robinson Canó salary’s back on the books when he returns from his suspension next season, the Mets are under $100 million in guaranteed contracts for 2022. If any meeting of the minds can occur, they should ink Lindor as quickly as possible, get all parties focused on winning the World Series in 2021, and be content knowing they have an All-Star at shortstop for the next decade.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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jlawyaMember since 2019
5 years ago

With a 9 year deal, it’ll be fun to see if he can de-throne
Jose Reyes as the franchise leader in WAR at that position.
(30.6 in the 9 years from 2003-2011, and 2.6 from 2016-18)

Travis LMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  jlawya

I think it would be likely. His projections after a terrible 2021 have him at about 28 war, and that excludes his 2021 war.

His median projection probably has him close to 40-45 wins over that time.

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago

Going back to the conversation about the next (first?) $400 million dollar player, I wonder what percentage outcome in 2021 it would take for Lindor to get to $400 million? I’m guessing it would be over 95%. But perhaps he got short shrift in that analysis?

Jon
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Tough to see it happening even in that case, just because of his age. If it were to happen today (e.g. maybe Lindor would get it 5-10 years from now if his situation as the same, due to inflation), it would have to be someone who is both historically good AND young. Like Tatis if he didn’t sign his deal and waited until he was closer to free agency. Wander Franco perhaps?

Richie
5 years ago

So … uhh … did the creditors come by and make off with Fangraph’s chatting hardware?? Or did I miss an announcement along the ‘no chats for you’ lines?

Richie
5 years ago
Reply to  Richie

(Dan now officially joining this week’s universally MIA chatters, figured this would be a good place to ask)

Richie
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Glad to hear you’re over your headache, and I send the same good wishes to each of the other, uhh, ‘chatters’. (sincerely; glad you’re over your headache)

Justin KaiserMember since 2020
5 years ago

That 10th percentile projection is so impressive and it’s a testament to Lindor’s value. Even if he really falls off offensively, he would still provide above average contributions at a premium defensive position.

tung_twista
5 years ago
Reply to  Justin Kaiser

The 10th percentile projection is less a testament to Lindor’s value and more of another example of very short tails in ZiPS.
(Note that the 90% projection is also quite modest and reasonable, something that probably shouldn’t be the case for 90% projections.)

tung_twista
5 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

I want to add that referring to these as ’10th percentile projection’ or ‘90% projection’ is incorrect.
These are projections contingent on Lindor having 10/90th % performance “in 2021.”
I was confused and I suspect others were, too.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

I think I agree? I don’t know how Dan came up with that number, if it was just a straight application of $/win, because, realistically, I don’t know if there’s an easy way to calculate out what players will or should get on a rational basis. It’s all supply and demand, with the demand sometimes fueled by ownership’s desire to have a big name they can brag about to their friends.

One way to think about this (and Dan started with this, but I don’t think is what he did) is to establish what close comparisons to Lindor got in free agency, and then weigh the risk to the player if he does not perform to his usual standard vs. the value of having multiple bidders. Manny Machado and Bryce Harper the most comps here, but both were two years younger than Lindor will be. Anthony Rendon was a year older, but he was also absolutely killing it for three consecutive years before he hit the market. It seems like $245M over 7 years to $330M over 13 years is a decent range of what he would get on the free agent market.

From that perspective, I think nine years, $280M sounds mostly fair. It prevents Lindor from completely losing out if he blows out his knee, but offers a discount in the more likely scenario that he doesn’t. If I had to pick a number, I’d say 8 years over $260M is probably what I would say is fair since that is about a 10% discount on the midpoint between those numbers. But if you think he’s getting $310M instead of $287M then $280M would be fair and it’s a stretch to imagine Lindor getting that if he hits the free agent market.

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Rendon was 17 months older, but man, those sure are some good months to have to offer as a player going into free agency.

And while Rendon did have that great recent track record, Lindor has been a lot better than Machado and Harper were. If I’m Lindor, I make them pay me a bit of a surplus or I bet on myself. I think once a player is just a year away, you basically have to pay FA prices to keep them.

Left of Centerfield
5 years ago

That may be the most stable projection I’ve ever seen, particularly for the first 4-5 years. Just look at BA as an example: .264, .265, .266, .265, .263.

mattMember since 2023
5 years ago

Those lindor 10%ile projections are stronger than I expected

timmer
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

Those are his 50th percentile projections from ’22 forward after posting a 10th percentile ’21. It’s not his 10th percentile projection for each year I don’t think

HarbingerNo9
5 years ago
Reply to  timmer

well it wouldn’t make sense to a 10th percentile year after year. That would be a compounding projection and would result in AAA level play in three years

padres458
5 years ago

Mets should sign one of the other options. Lindor just doesn’t produce enough offensively for me to be interested. I see no reason the mets gain anything by signing a deal now. Theres a plethora of great SS available this offseason.

Dmjn53
5 years ago
Reply to  padres458

All of them besides Seager have offensive question marks as well, and I can’t see any way Seager doesn’t stay in LA.

Baez’ offense is as volatile as can be, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a sub-.300 OBP guy going forward. Correa has a solid but not exceptional 114 wRC+ over the last 3 seasons and obviously comes with significant health risks. Story is clearly the best of the rest but for his career has an exactly 100 wRC+ away from Coors Field.

It’s a stacked shortstop class, but in terms of downside Lindor would seem to be far and away the lowest risk of that group , and I’d argue also has the highest upside.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Citing road figures for hitters who call Coors home is just a waste of time. I would not be worried about Story’s ability to hit outside of Coors at all.

Dmjn53
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

I’m not worried, but to me that’s a slightly bigger question mark than Lindor’s ability to hit in general

MrMet33Member since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  padres458

He’s project for 7 straight seasons of 800+ OPS from a premium defense position. What more offense do you want? Tough crowd.

Dooduh
5 years ago

No idea why some people keep referring to Stro as a #2.

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

I think that’s his absolute 95%ile ceiling, so I guess it’s possible. He’s a solid #3 in reality.

MikeD
5 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

I can totally see a scenario where Stroman is a #2 starter on the Mets, and no bad things have to happen for that to, well, happen.

Dooduh
5 years ago

Let’s see if the last season plus wasn’t the beginning of a real down trend before guaranteeing that many years and that much $…

If they don’t agree to an extension, there will be a bunch of other good SS options next winter.

Dooduh
5 years ago

Are we sure that he should get that much more than Yelich’s extension?

synco
5 years ago

I remember when he was a glove-first prospect whose question was whether he would hit enough. Times have changed.

sogoodlooking
5 years ago

From the offseason’s point of view, any deal with Lindor (including his $22.3 2021 salary) has to be considered in light of what the Mets surrendered, namely five years of Giminez (6 WAR combined, with not inconsiderable upside for far fewer millions) and however you want to slice Rosario, Wolf, and Greene into or out of this.

In addition to the Mets not needing a SS and needing help far more at 3B, CF, C, SP, SP, and a Hand-like bullpen arm, we’re likely to eventually see any extension as, given what they dealt away, far less than optimal.

Everyone likes adding a star, but there’s a good chance the Mets end up paying through the noise for a 2-3 win upgrade for 2021-2025, after which they’ll be paying a 32 year old and older Lindor $30m a year.

metropolitanrisingMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sogoodlooking

I like adding 2-3 wins per year, particularly when you can consolidate it in one player. Money is cheaper in the future and $30 mil in 2026 will not seem like much for a still above average shortstop

George HermanMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  sogoodlooking

I don’t think it matters who the Mets gave up to get Lindor. That’s a sunk cost. An extension that takes $ away from Lindor in the future based on what the team gave up to get him in the past would be rejected out of hand.

fuster
5 years ago

the Mets have put themselves in poor position vis a vis Lindor and are going to have to really overpay in order to re-sign him.

might be best not to try

MikeD
5 years ago

I don’t see Lindor signing a contract with the Mets that doesn’t have a total value more than Tatis’ deal. I’m not saying he’s worth more, but the MLBPA is always looking to push the bar higher. Tatis is younger and has a higher ceiling, but Lindor is more accomplished at this stage because he’s been playing longer and has reached the doorstep of free agency. Tatis has an amazing bat, but Lindor also brings an amazing glove and all-around game. Players get paid a premium for being free agents. Lindor knows the Mets traded for him as part of an image reboot for its entire franchise, and of course to make the Mets better. The Mets owner is wealthy beyond comprehension. This goes beyond a simple equation of $/win, this is an on-field equation, a marketing equation, a business equation, and the value all that means in a market like NYC.

Cohen is not going to let Lindor leave easily, especially knowing the team across town could decide to add Lindor’s lefty bat in a heartbeat after they reset their luxury tax this season. In NYC, that would be catastrophic image wise. The Yankees beat the Mets…again. It doesn’t even matter if the Yankees have any intention of signing Lindor. It’s the threat they might, and the Yankees will purposely be coy simply to drive up the price. Lindor’s agent knows that, so they are going to sit back knowing they will get a significant premium. Lindor was prepared for 2021 to be his free agent walk year. Nothing will change that unless the Mets offer a huge deal to buy out free agency. My guess (and, of course, purely a guess) is the total value will be north of Tatis’ deal.