Mariners’ Hot-Hitting Start Defies Rebuild

While the Dodgers’ bolt from the gate isn’t too surprising given their back-to-back NL pennants and preseason playoff odds around 90% (though yes, I reaaaally nailed the timing of my investigation into their hitting), the Mariners’ hot start is the kind of early-season anomaly that reminds us how reality often fails to conform to our preconceptions. Expected to be a bystander during a rebuilding year, Seattle opened the season by sweeping a two-game series in Japan against last year’s upstarts, the A’s, and has continued to roll. They own the majors’ best record (11-2) and run differential (+40) so far.

The Mariners did spend most of last year in contention, ultimately notching 89 wins — their highest total since 2003 — but finishing eight games behind the A’s for the second AL Wild Card spot. In missing out on the October festivities, they ran their postseason drought to 17 years, the longest in North American professional sports. Given a club record payroll ($157.9 million as of Opening Day 2018) and the game’s worst farm system, general manager Jerry Dipoto opted to plunge the team into rebuilding mode, bidding adieu to free agent Nelson Cruz and trading away Robinson Cano, Alex Colome, Edwin Diaz, James Paxton, Jean Segura, and Mike Zunino, among others — nearly all of the popular kids, basically. With Kyle Seager suffering a torn tendon in his left hand, the only players common to Seattle’s 2018 and ’19 Opening Day lineups were Dee Gordon, Mitch Haniger, and Ichiro Suzuki, the last of whom used the Japan series as a farewell tour.

Like the Dodgers, the Mariners’ fast start owes primarily to a booming offense that’s averaging 8.0 runs per game while batting .294/.374/.568 with 33 home runs and a 163 wRC+; all of those figures lead the majors save for the on-base percentage, which is merely the best in the AL. Four times, they’ve reached double digits in runs, and only once have they scored fewer than five (they beat the Angels in a 2-1 squeaker on April 2). Here’s how their scoring over the first 13 games stacks up historically:

Most Runs Scored Through 13 Games Since 1901
RK Team Year W-L RS RA Rdiff Final Finish Postseason
1 Yankees 1932 10-3 109 62 47 107-47 1 WS Champ
2 Orioles 1901 8-5 106 82 24 68-65 5
3T Rockies 1997 10-3 105 63 42 83-79 3
3T Cardinals 2000 8-5 105 82 23 95-67 1 Division Champ
5T Cardinals 1901 6-6 104 91 13 76-64 4
5T Mariners 2019 11-2 104 64 40 N/A N/A N/A
7 Americans 1901 7-6 102 91 11 79-57 2
8 Cardinals 1962 9-3 101 58 43 84-78 6
9T White Sox 1901 9-4 100 68 32 83-53 1 AL Pennant
9T Tigers 1901 10-3 100 91 9 74-61 3
9T Indians 1999 11-2 100 55 45 97-65 1 Division Champ
9T Athletics 1929 9-4 100 46 54 104-46 1 WS Champ
13 Athletics 1994 7-6 98 92 6 51-63 2
14T Dodgers 1930 6-7 97 88 9 86-68 4
14T Royals 1973 9-4 97 69 28 88-74 2
16T Indians 1995 9-4 96 59 37 100-44 1 AL Pennant
16T Yankees 1926 10-3 96 55 41 91-63 1 AL Pennant
16T Mariners 2000 8-5 96 65 31 91-71 2 Wildcard
19T Tigers 1993 8-5 95 66 29 85-77 3
19T Cubs 1954 6-7 95 83 12 64-90 7
SOURCE: Baseball-Reference

As I noted in my companion piece on the Dodgers, the fact that only eight of the 19 other teams in the above top 20 made the playoffs is skewed somewhat by the presence of four teams from the inaugural weeks of the American League in 1901, namely the Baltimore Orioles (dissolved just two years later and replaced by the New York Highlanders-turned-Yankees), Boston Americans (now the Red Sox), Detroit Tigers, and Chicago White Sox. Team history-wise, the Mariners are not only scoring at a record clip, but they own a better record than their 2001 club, which “only” won 10 of their first 13 games and had just a +22 run differential by this juncture. Among their other playoff teams, their 1997 and 2000 squads both started 8-5, while their 1995 team went just 7-6 through 13 games.

While the Dodgers were projected to have one of the NL’s most robust offenses, the Mariners were merely projected to rank 10th in the AL at 4.33 runs per game. Thus far, only two of the team’s 11 players with at least 10 plate appearances have a wRC+ below 100, namely infielder Dylan Moore (95) and center fielder Mallex Smith (93). Meanwhile, they’ve gotten otherworldly performances from Tim Beckham (.400/.489/.825, 263 wRC+), Edwin Encarnacion (.316/.458/.632, 208 wRC+), Domingo Santana (.345/.429/.618, 196 wRC+), and Daniel Volgelbach (.500/.621/1.364, 410 wRC+, with five homers in just 29 PA) with Ryon Healy (154 wRC+) and Jay Bruce (144 wRC+, with an AL-high seven homers) making strong showings as well. Save for Vogelbach and Healy, none of those players were Mariners in 2018, and while there’s no way that those extreme performances will sustain, it’s not out of the question that Dipoto has snagged a few rebounds. Beckham, for example, was a 3.4-win player in 2017 with the Rays and Orioles before slipping below replacement level (-0.5 WAR) last year, and the story is similar for Santana with the Brewers (from 3.3 in 2017 to 0.7 last year), Bruce with the Reds and Mets (from 2.6 to 0.1), and Encarnacion with the Indians (2.3 to 1.0).

Encarnacion did something very cool on Monday against the Royals, homering twice in the sixth inning. As it’s a feat he had done before, on July 26, 2013 for the Blue Jays against the Astros, he joined the company of Andre Dawson, Jeff King, Willie McCovey, and Alex Rodriguez as the only players with a pair of two-fers.

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Thus far, the new lineup has shown itself to be considerably more powerful and disciplined than the old one. Last year, the M’s ranked 11th in the league in home runs (176) and isolated power (.154), and eighth in slugging percentage (.408), and the players responsible for more than half of their homers are elsewhere. This year’s squad has swung at an AL-low 24.5% of pitches outside the zone (down from 31.1%) and walked 10.3% of the time (up from 7.1%, the AL’s fourth-lowest rate). Beckham, Encarnacion, Santana, and Smith have all walked in at least 12.5% of their plate appearances, though only Encarnacion and Santana have career rates above 10%. While their track records suggest regression ahead, Beckham, who owns career marks of 6.6% in the walk department and 32.7% in O-Zone%, does seem to be following through with a more selective approach; he’s swinging at just 24.8% of pitches outside the one and walking 14.9% of the time.

On the other side of the ball, the Mariners have allowed a hefty 4.92 runs per game, the sixth-highest mark in the AL, but some of that is on a defense that is somehow already 23 runs below average via Defensive Runs Saved, with their four up-the-middle starters (Narvaez at catcher, Gordon at second, Beckham at short, and Smith in center field) each at least three runs below average. The left side of the infield, which also features Healy playing third base (where he owns a career -13.9 UZR/150), is particularly porous and anything but sure-handed, with the pair combining for — and look, the samples are small, otherwise I wouldn’t be citing this — nine errors and a fielding percentage below the Hobson Line. The team’s .685 defensive efficiency is 10th the league, and the pitching staff has already allowed an MLB-high 14 unearned runs.

That aside, the rotation, featuring newcomer Yusei Kikuchi and holdovers Marco Gonzales, Felix Hernandez, Mike Leake, and Wade LeBlanc, has combined for a respectable 3.66 ERA and 3.50 FIP, though the starters’ 16.9% strikeout rate is the league’s third-lowest mark, offset by an MLB-low 4.2% walk rate. It’s far too soon to read much into the individual performances, particularly with regards to Hernandez’s continued decline; bypassed for the Opening Day start for the first time since 2008, he didn’t make his first appearance until the team’s seventh game of the season, then lasted just one inning in his second start on Monday due to food poisoning. The bullpen has been less impressive (3.97 ERA, 4.71 FIP), destabilized by a lat strain that landed closer Hunter Strickland on the 60-day injury list, and a 13.5% walk rate from the unit as a whole.

With their torrid start, the Mariners have opened up a 3.5-game lead on the Astros (7-5) in the AL West, with the Angels 4.5 back, and the A’s and Rangers each five back. Where they began the year projected for 75 wins, with just a 2.3% chance of reaching the playoffs, their forecast is now up to 81 wins, with a 13.7% chance at the playoffs. That’s higher than last year’s A’s (9.2%) or Braves (3.2%) when they left the gate, and roughly where the Brewers (13.6%) and Rockies (11.3%) sat a year ago today. Perhaps this summer in Seattle won’t be a write-off, after all. Hope springs eternal.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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free-range turducken
7 years ago

What’s up with all that offense back in 1901?

John Autin
7 years ago

The American League did not count fouls as strikes until 1903. Strikeouts soared and offense plunged immediately thereafter.

Pwn Shop
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Perhaps 1903 would have been a better cutoff.

NATS FanMember since 2018
7 years ago

A lot of folks thought that the world was going to come to an end on 12/31/1900 for a variety of reasons later found to be stupid. Accordingly, they all built bunkers and the work out of bringing all the supplies in and out created a populous with extraordinary arm strength. This strength persisted well into 1901, but was lost by 1902.

Michaer
7 years ago

I am extremely in favor of Dan Vogelbach posting a 410 wRC+ all season. Sample Sizes be damned.

John Autin
7 years ago
Reply to  Michaer

Or portion sizes.

Shirtless Bartolo Colon
7 years ago
Reply to  Michaer

wRC = weight’s Really Cool

John Autin
7 years ago

So good to have you back, Shirtless!

LHPSU
7 years ago

Somehow I knew that was going happen the moment somebody said “portion sizes”.

John Autin
7 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

If I contribute nothing all summer beyond throwing BP for Shirtless, ‘twill have been a season well spent!

Kevbot034
7 years ago

This is really best possible scenario for the rebuilding Mariners.
If they just keep winning and winning and winning, score! You made the playoffs early.
If they start to sag, no problem, you were already hoping to pump up some veteran numbers and spin them again, and that’s just what is happening.
They have been the most fun team to watch so far this season, so whatever happens, I’m excited to see it play out.

slamcactusMember since 2024
7 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

I’m guessing (and hoping) they’re auditioning Santana, Beckham, and Narvaez as potential 3-4 year guys rather than pump-and-dump types. Since they decided to hang on to Haniger instead of moving their most valuable trade chip, the only way this halfway rebuild works is if they uncover a few quality core players and get uncommonly lucky with their middle-of-the-road farm system. Beckham in particular I hope they’ll extend quickly, as I think he’s got a real shot to bounce back to 2017 level and contribute for a few years.

As for the older guys, I’m not sure they’ll get much for E3, Bruce, or Gordon even with 2-3 months of performance, but I guess it doesn’t hurt to try.

AaronC
7 years ago
Reply to  slamcactus

Santana and Narvaez, yes. Beckham is on a cheap 1-year contract, supposedly holding down the fort until JP Crawford is ready. If he’s still hitting in June, he’s a perfect candidate to flip.

Barnard
7 years ago
Reply to  AaronC

If he keeps hitting I could see the team holding him – his positional versatility is a good hedge going forward in case Crawford struggles out of the gate, Seager takes longer to recover than anticipated, and also just to bounce around and give guys a day off in the infield.

carterMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  AaronC

Beckham has been fine for his career defensively, so I wouldn’t expect this downturn to continue. I get that they want to Jp to be ready, but he has not looked good at all. Top prospects bust all the time, and if Beckham is an above average major league hitter, he is likely more valuable as well.

John TrupinMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  AaronC

Unless I’m mistaken, Beckham is also still eligible for one more year of arbitration after this. It’d be spendier, but he’s there for two years if they (or a trade partner) want him.

darrenasuMember since 2025
7 years ago

The new market inefficiency…go get a lot of slow, plodding DH types and mash your way to a ton (literal) of 11-9 wins!

John Autin
7 years ago
Reply to  darrenasu

… while still leading MLB in stolen bases.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Mallex Smith and Dee Gordon, step right up!

Worth noting that Domingo Santana is not a plodder at all. He is a big dude with big power and rather nice straight-line speed.

LHPSU
7 years ago
Reply to  darrenasu

Did you mean: Detroit Tigers

carterMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  darrenasu

I could see that being true. I am not sure if that is what they planned, but with guys like Cron getting outrighted, maybe there is something to be said for it? They have 4 DH’s. Edwin, Vogel, Healy, Bruce. Basically all those guys can be had for nothing, and the Mariners have had great success with DH hitters not declining : Edgar, Cruz, so maybe they thought hey, why not just go get them all?

Westside guy
7 years ago
Reply to  darrenasu

So we’ve basically got a real-life version of Dubuque’s “team of Adam Dunns”?

Lanidrac
7 years ago
Reply to  Westside guy

Except these guys can also get on base at a decent or even better clip.

Lanidrac
7 years ago
Reply to  darrenasu

What do 11-9 wins have to do with literal 2,000 pounds?

danwithoppMember since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I interpreted it as the 9 guys in the lineup weighing 2000 pounds combined. And one of those guys is Dee Gordon, so it’s 8 guys weighing 1850.

EasyenoughMember since 2016
7 years ago

Whether true or not, it sure makes Dipoto seem like he knows something.

emanMember since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  Easyenough

It really does seem like a part of this is that he finally built a team of players who all buy in to his ‘control the zone’ philosophy. Even though many of the players that left were great hitters, it does seem that there is some value to having everyone committed to the same approach and ‘rowing in the same direction’ per se.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
7 years ago

Ben Gamel for Domingo Santana does not look too good right now

Klubot3000Member since 2017
7 years ago

Or great depending on your viewpoint. GOMS

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

That was one of those real head-scratchers–Santana was probably a better option than Braun to start in the corner outfield, but rather than do that, they traded a starting-caliber corner outfielder for a 4th outfielder because he had an option. Sometimes, you just need to not overthink it.

vft
7 years ago

It didn’t even look good at the time of the trade. Domingo wasn’t getting playing time in Milwaukee and the deal screamed buy low

Lanidrac
7 years ago
Reply to  vft

Yeah, well, were the Brewers actually going to bench their highest paid player who’s still a decent hitter?

TerenceMember since 2016
7 years ago

I mean, it’s not fun but as analytical website, can’t we just look at why this is so terribly unsustainable and move on?

This team has a 21.6% HR/FB rate. Their babip is .350 with men on base and .305 with the bases empty. Their xFIP- is 24th, ahead of six losing teams who are a combined 25-44 with a run differential of -88 (or on average 4-7 and -15). Regression is coming soon and drastically.

John Autin
7 years ago
Reply to  Terence

Okay … But as analytical readers, let’s not cite a beneficial BAbip discrepancy while ignoring the opposite effect in their ISO. In other words, if those two splits both normalize, there’s likely no significant net impact.

I think we all know regression in their W% is coming. I’m just saying, a team that slashed .294/.374/.568/.942 would score a boatload of runs, no matter how they split that up situationally.

TerenceMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

There appears to be a lot of anger here, let me try to be specific. I don’t think ISO through 13 games is a meaningful or predictive stat. That’s why I cited the absurd HR/FB% rate. I don’t believe the Mariners ISO will normalize around .240 or .291 (just like I don’t believe their BABIP will normalize around .325). I expect their ISO to look something like the .154 they posted last season. Yes, if they posted a season long wRC+ of 163 they would be the best offense in baseball history times 3, even if their winning precentage did not continue at 85%. That is not the regression I am talking about.

VivaAyala
7 years ago
Reply to  Terence

You’re not getting downvoted due to anger, it’s because you are missing the point. Nobody believes that these specific rates will continue. Evidence is starting to mount up, however, that their offense may be better than suspected going forward. And if you think this team will have a similar ISO than last year, then I suspect you haven’t paid close enough attention to the change in personnel and the team’s batted ball stats. They will have more power this year, and patience.

TerenceMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  VivaAyala

“Nobody believes these specific rates will continue.”

“If those two splits both normalize, there’s likely no significant net impact.”

It sounds like he believes the offensive production will continue at about the current rate. Maybe I missed something.

I asked a question to talk about how unsustainable (or sustainable) this production is. I cited a statistic that leads me to believe it is wildly unsustainable. The Mariners are leading MLB in HR, by alot. Why? The Mariners got rid of their personnel that hit lots of HR. They added/promoted players that we don’t expect/project to hit as many HR. 10 of their 11 regular hitters are outperforming their ZIPS projected ISO, the other is named Dee Gordon. Four are outperforming it by at least 100 points, and three are doubling it. After two weeks why should we expect them to hit for more power than they have previously displayed? Beckham, Vogelback, and Encarnacion are all drastically outperforming their projected walk rates. We have large samples of their baseball ability. Has something actually changed in their patience this year? Did the Mariners adapt a different philosophy or hire a new hitting coach? Is there a reason to believe this is real and they will have more patience this year?

Or did they just spend the week playing the Royals and the White Sox?

VivaAyala
7 years ago
Reply to  Terence

I still think you’re missing the point, as I and others here have pointed out throughout this thread. However, in a word, yes, the Mariners do have a new hitting coach, Tim Laker, and yes, Dipoto has specifically talked about focusing on a Control the Zone philosophy of working counts and being more patient (not swinging out of the zone) that he feels the team got away from and didn’t implement last year. These are things you can easily google if you care to.

Also, over the past two years, the New Mariners (you can see the names at the bottom) have just as much power and more patience than the Old Mariners that left the team this offseason.

New Mariners: https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=1&age=0&filter=&players=7949,9892,2151,10348,13608,13338

Old Mariners: https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=3269,2434,5933,13265,18721,12160

Luy
7 years ago
Reply to  Terence

Right, it was anger that motivated everyone. They couldn’t have possibly come to a different conclusion than you through thinking about it and simply disagreeing.

TerenceMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  Luy

Why do you disagree with my conclusion? What reason or evidence leads you to believe that I am wrong?

OlSalty
7 years ago
Reply to  Terence

It’s not that you are wrong about the larger point that the Mariners are due for significant regression. Obviously, they are not going to average 8 runs per game on offense going forward; that simply will not happen unless some unprecedented stroke of luck continues (which is possible, but very very unlikely).

Projection systems are not perfect at predicting the future, however. They can only give you a probabilistic range of outcomes and assign a percentile distribution range of those outcomes by likelihood. Sometimes, the unexpected or unlikely does occur, and this is especially true in baseball and where there are fluid situations and in situations where players are in development phases. We are dealing with a finite season of games that allow luck to influence who makes the playoffs. Also, sometimes career averages aren’t the end all be all of what an individual player will do in the future even with significant sample sizes.

We definitely do not have adequate samples of Dan Vogelbach under full-time MLB conditions to draw conclusions either way. I’d argue we don’t really have them for Tim Beckham either. We have adequate samples of Edwin Encarnacion, but as recently as two years ago he was a monstrous hitter and it is hard to attribute age-related decline in players: Sometimes they have a down year or two due to bad luck or injury and then they return to something more like what they were doing before. That may be what is happening here; we simply don’t know because we are only 15 games into the season.

It is probably an error to assume that this team will hit fewer HR than last year’s team. It’s probably an error to regress the team’s performance in general to last year’s team given the enormous roster turnover. It’s true that Cano, Cruz, Segura, and Zunino are gone and they all hit a lot of dingers. But they’ve been replaced with Edwin Encarnacion (who hits lots of dingers) Jay Bruce (who once hit lots of dingers) Domingo Santana (who probably hits lots of dingers) full time Dan Vogelbach maybe (who probably hits lots of dingers) Omar Narvaez (who hits some dingers) and Tim Beckham (who hits some dingers). The overall change in HR hitting ability is probably not that big here; outside of Dee Gordon and Mallex Smith the entire lineup has at least some power and it isn’t unreasonable to think the M’s could perhaps even hit a few more dingers than last year or that they will post a relatively high ISO as a team.

That said, they probably aren’t going to post an ISO in the .400’s or anything. But they could be good enough here to have a well above average offense, perhaps with below average pitching. That can still take you to the big show after a 13-2 start, good luck or not. If the Mariners play .500 ball the rest of the way, they will still win 95 games. 95 games could feasibly win the division.

The Mariners probably won’t win 85% of their games going forward, you’re right, but that ‘s not the question.

The question is do you believe based on their regressed true talent performance that they can win half of their remaining games? I think the statistics bear out the opinion that yes, absolutely they could do that, and they will probably even be a little bit better than that as the most likely outcome.

That’s enough to get you to the playoffs, most likely.

carterMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Terence

Regression doesn’t come “rapidly”. It just comes. Sometimes slowly. Sometimes hardly at all.

TerenceMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  carter

I get the point that anything can happen in a small sample size, but regression will certainly come over the next 149 games for this team. They are not a true talent winning percentage of 85% team. They are not a true talent wRC+ 163 team. They are not a true talent +500 run team.

I guess it depends on how you define “rapidly” but if there was some place that I could bet even money that over the next 13 games the Mariners will fail to outscore their opponents by 40 runs, I would put lots of dollars on that bet. There is no casino that is going to give me that bet.

carterMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Terence

Well, of course no casino would take that bet. Of course they aren’t going to keep this up. The point is, regression isn’t a thing that you can time. Maybe the Mariners are a wildcard contender. I would not think so, but, then again, if somehow all their hitters return to 2017 levels then maybe they are. They look like a slowpitch team, built to outscore. And the very least, it is fun to watch.

Dag Gummit
7 years ago
Reply to  Terence

Terence, no you are not getting the point. The point was not and never has been remotely close to “anything can happen in a small sample”. Rather — to quote the article and other posters who’ve responded to you:

Article: “…their track records suggest regression ahead”

Person 1: “… we all know regression… is coming.”

Person 2: “Nobody believes that these specific rates will continue.”

Person 3: “Regression doesn’t come “rapidly”. It just comes.”

Person 4: “Well, of course no casino would take that bet. Of course they aren’t going to keep this up.”

And now from me: No one has denied that the Mariners will regress. Everyone (even fans on the M’s Facebook page) accepts that regression *will* happen. You are arguing with people who agree with 99% of what you’re saying. Until you accept that as a given, no discussion in regards to the much, MUCH finer details of just how much regression is due and what stats in particular. Or rather, everyone else will be discussing them while you continue to argue for the very thing we all accepted as a given from the beginning.

TerenceMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  Dag Gummit

Person 2,3, and 4 responded hours after my first comment was the most down voted comment I’ve ever had on Fangraphs. Those six words in the article are the only ones that agree with the point that I’m making (and are preceded by the word while, which seems to suggest that the author doesn’t confidently believe it), and then the next 42 words in that sentence argue why it is not coming. Person 1 seemed to argue that their win percentage would decrease from 85% but that their offensive production would remain about the same. It doesn’t seem like people agree with 99% of what I’m saying. I’m not exactly sure what people disagree with.

I gave very specific stats that I expect to regress. I expect their ISO to decline due to a lesser percentage of flyballs leaving the park as HR. I believe they will produce more outs in the situations when men are on base and thus score fewer runs. I believe the run prevention could demonstrate similar levels of talent but allow many more runs. Which aspects mentioned do you think will not regress? What is real and sustainable about these first two weeks of Mariners baseball? Should we believe that the Mariners are actually playoff contenders?

John Autin
7 years ago
Reply to  Terence

Terence, a helpful hint from a site veteran: Arguing downvotes only makes it worse. That’s not fair, it’s just how it is.

For my part, I did not downvote you; I think that button’s for cowards and those who can’t write a coherent sentence. I disagreed with one small aspect of your post which seemed like piling on. I did not suggest they WOULD continue to OPS .940 as a team, only that a .940 OPS swamps all nuance of luck. I have no other quarrel with you.

Reflect
7 years ago
Reply to  carter

Regression sounds a lot like my wife

arrantjudgement
7 years ago

Given Vogelbach’s minor league offensive production I’m glad he’s getting some, in my opinion, much deserved playing time.

Kevbot034
7 years ago

It’s a shame it took him this long to get there. He’s been ready for a little while, I think.

AzizalMember since 2017
7 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

It may be nitpicking, but I disagree that he was ready. Even in the minors he hit the ball on the ground way too much.

Obviously the sample is tiny, but his FB rate has almost doubled this year, and that’s even if it’s random, it’s the thing he needs to do to succeed.

DoubleA3
7 years ago
Reply to  Azizal

He changed his swing last year to elevate the ball more.

Dag Gummit
7 years ago
Reply to  DoubleA3

What DoubleA3 said. He changed it last season. However, I will disagree that he needed the FB rate in order to succeed. After all, even with his GB rate “too high”, the kid was running .200 ISOs in the IL and Cheney Stadium in his first taste. By his bat, he was ready no later than last year — evidenced by the 99 wRC+ he ran in ~100 PA over 3 mostly benchwarming stints in spite a flukishly low BABIP.

Rather, what held Vogelbach back was his defensive rigidity and being blocked. He’s clearly viewed as 90% DH and 10% 1B by Dipoto’s M’s and the DH slot was occupied by Cruz up until this year. Were he a “real” 1B or any other position, he would have certainly been given more PA and in something at least resembling a legitimate string.

John Autin
7 years ago

On a fun tangent:
Seattle’s offense leads MLB in both HRs and stolen bases.
That hasn’t happened since the 1955 Dodgers … whose 79 SB were the 3rd-lowest ever for an MLB high. (Seattle’s on pace for 186 SB.)

I doubt that will actually happen, of course.
But Dee Gordon and Mallex Smith have the potential to be the first 50-SB teammates since Tim Raines & Marquis Grissom on the ’91 Expos.

NATS FanMember since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I suspect the Royals just might win one of those two awards.

jmsdean477
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

A’s are just 2 HR back after todays 5 with Chapman resting. They head to Texas next so enjoy the HR lead while you have it Arlington is going to put out like a loaded slot machine for KD and friends!

John Autin
7 years ago
Reply to  jmsdean477

By HR/G, the A’s are actually a distant 4th, also trailing LAD and NYY. Seattle’s on pace to top Oakland by 84 HRs, which is more than the spread between last year’s leader (NYY) and the MLB average. They have just as many games left in Arlington … and far more games with the runaway top HR-yielding Orioles. (All in good fun!)

SethMember since 2016
7 years ago

Only a fool would doubt the Seattle Mariners.

FrancoLuvHateMets
7 years ago

The front office tries to go for it and finish 500. They turn around and try to tank…. and they end up playing 500 ball would be an awesome 2019 result.

LHPSU
7 years ago

True futility is when you try to lose games and end up winning them.

Lanidrac
7 years ago

They were never trying to tank, otherwise they would’ve just asked for prospects in return for those trades instead of also getting a bunch of MLB talent as well.

CL1NTMember since 2026
7 years ago

Bruce is perfect for this team, and it’s amazing how many players are rebounding at the same time for SEA. Domingo Santana is looking like the ‘old him’ too.

I just wonder if they can really be a playoff team with their current pitching situation. They’re gonna have to continue to score runs in bunches to succeed it feels like. They’re not a team that will win many 2-1 type games for sure.

NATS FanMember since 2018
7 years ago

Seattle had more than its fair share of distractions last year when a certain veteran star missed half the season. A guy who has yet to hit much since he returned.

jeffwave
7 years ago

To be fair, these numbers were padded significantly with 54 runs in 6 games vs. the Royals and my hapless White Sox. They were actually fun to watch – reminded me of the 1977 White Sox Southside Hitmen that pounded the crap out of the ball, but could neither catch it nor pitch it. I suspect some regression will hit when they face teams with actual competent major league pitching. Until then, bombs away and, man Haniger is really good.

John Autin
7 years ago
Reply to  jeffwave

Your hapless Sox have allowed 6.0 R/G to everyone else, and 9.7 R/G to Seattle.

The Royals have yielded 5.3 R/G to everyone else, and 8.0 to Seattle (thru Thursday’s series finale).

And Seattle’s averaged 7.0 R/G against other teams, including 8.0 vs the two 2018 playoff teams they’ve faved. So I don’t see a relevant point about the level of competition.

carterMember since 2020
7 years ago

Vogels HR today dropped that wrc drastically!

John Autin
7 years ago

I don’t know if Jay deserves actual credit for the two straight last-minute, one-run wins since this was posted … but the mere fact that he didn’t cause them to be shut out twice in a row marks them a Team of Destiny until further notice.

Lanidrac
7 years ago

I never did think the Mariners were truly rebuilding or as bad as most people made them out to be. While they did trade away a bunch of good players like Cano (although a Cano past his prime) and significantly cut payroll, they also got a bunch of good Major League players in return who mostly happened to be cheaper but not necessarily less talented.

Meanwhile, that starting rotation of theirs is actually pretty impressive, easily second best in their division behind only the Astros.