Marlins Flip Mat Latos to Dodgers for -1 Prospect
The headline isn’t the way the Marlins would put it. It’s not the only way to interpret Wednesday’s trade — it’s just one way to do so. The Dodgers, who’ve been in the market for rotation help, convinced the Marlins to sell them Mat Latos. The price for Los Angeles: accepting, along with Latos, Michael Morse. To soften that blow, the Marlins have thrown in a competitive-balance draft pick, to be made after the end of the first round. Now, technically, the Dodgers are sending the Marlins three minor-league pitchers. So it’s not a pure sale, and we don’t know who those players are, so maybe a conclusion shouldn’t be jumped to, but this one feels pretty safe. Those pitchers are presumably the equivalent of nothing. They won’t be as valuable as the player that draft pick turns into. The Marlins sold an asset at the deadline, and they’re the ones effectively losing the best prospect.
Don’t be thrown by the presence of Morse. While nothing’s impossible, he’s unlikely to ever suit up. His addition doesn’t have 25-man roster implications, as he’s probably going to be dumped right away. He’s in here because he’s a little expensive, through next season, and the Marlins hate signing paychecks. He’s this trade’s equivalent of Carlos Quentin in the Craig Kimbrel trade from April. Quentin was accepted by the Braves and immediately designated for assignment. Morse will probably land somewhere in the American League, or with the Phillies.
Follow the money. Once the trade’s complete, the Marlins will be saving about $14 million. So, that’s what the Dodgers are taking on. God knows they can take it. What’s the value of the competitive-balance draft pick? I don’t know, let’s call it a few million dollars. Maybe as many as $10 million, depending on who you talk to. It’s likely to exceed the value of the three players the Dodgers are sending away. So maybe you can think of this as the Dodgers agreeing to take on $8 – 10 million. And, for the rotation, they get to plug in a nifty little Latos. It’s an upgrade at the direct cost of zero young talent.
Tricky maneuver, at this time of year, but it’s a benefit of being the Dodgers, and of trading with the Marlins. The Dodgers can afford anybody. The Marlins are more interested in saving money than they are in adding talent. In the Marlins’ defense, saved money can turn into added talent, but this is taking the indirect route. Instead of getting a better prospect for Latos, the Marlins are clearing Morse. It’s not unethical or stupid or anything, it’s just very Marlins, as it fits the organizational pattern. Some of the Marlins’ money will be re-invested. The rest of it — well, you know.
Here’s the thing about Mat Latos. He’s not exciting. Not in the way he used to be. He’s run into injury problems, and his ERA’s in the mid-4s. It would be easy to think, “okay, great, but the Dodgers still need Cole Hamels.” And Latos isn’t as good as Cole Hamels. But he’s better than Carlos Frias, and what Latos has done lately has been extremely encouraging. A couple months back, Latos went on the disabled list with a knee problem. You’re going to see a table. We’ve got Mat Latos from 2012 – 2013, Latos from 2014 through early 2015, and Latos since he came off the DL. There’s promise, here.
| Version of Latos | ERA- | FIP- | xFIP- | K-BB% | SwStr% | Strike% | Fastball |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Latos, 12-13 | 85 | 88 | 96 | 14% | 10% | 66% | 92.6 |
| Latos, 14-early 15 | 110 | 95 | 107 | 11% | 8% | 65% | 90.6 |
| Latos, post-DL 15 | 78 | 90 | 84 | 19% | 12% | 68% | 92.1 |
The most important column might be the last one — Latos has mostly recovered his lost velocity. Even when he was below 100%, he was still throwing strikes, but he was more hittable. Now compare his recent numbers to what he did a few years back. The strikes are there. The whiffs are there. The overall performance is there. He’s not the same pitcher, but he’s added a twist. There’s a lot to like about recent Mat Latos, so this could mean more than people think.
The other day, the Astros traded for Scott Kazmir, as a rental. Kazmir seems like the sort to post an FIP- around 90 or so. He’s a better-than-average starting pitcher, with some durability questions. If you believe in Latos’ recovery, he also seems like a better-than-average starting pitcher, with some durability questions. For Kazmir, the A’s picked up Jacob Nottingham as the centerpiece. They also got another guy, but Nottingham has had a breakout 2015. Latos didn’t fetch the Marlins a Nottingham. Instead of trying for a Nottingham, they shed money. Maybe Latos is viewed with greater skepticism, and the NL does remain weaker than the AL, but it’s easy to see how the Dodgers could emerge happier with their trade than the Astros. Since getting healthier, Latos has been really good.
They say Latos is also sort of a prick. He’s had a reputation since he was a teenager. Perhaps some of that’s still true, and perhaps that contributed to Latos drawing a lesser trade return. Nobody badly wants to trade for an unpleasant son of a bitch. But it’s not like we’re in there, seeing how he interacts. It’s not like we know how fragile the Dodgers’ clubhouse might be. From what’s been written, the Dodgers have dealt well enough with Yasiel Puig. How much damage could Latos do, in the thick of the pennant race? How much does he still deserve his reputation, anyway? The Blue Jays have talked a lot about adding character guys. The Dodgers have talked about it less. Of the two, it’s the Dodgers who’re in playoff position.
The Dodgers wanted to help their rotation. They found a guy who seems to be on the upswing, a guy who can help quick, and it didn’t cost a single notable player, it appears. That doesn’t mean the Dodgers are done. They can still afford to do plenty more, and it’s worth noting we still don’t know the identities of the three minor-league players, so maybe there’s another component of all this. With things coming to a head, maybe the Dodgers are working on Hamels, and they’re close, and they’re planning to include Morse to offset the cost. There are options. There’s still room in the rotation, depending on your faith in Mike Bolsinger and Brett Anderson.
For the moment, though, the Dodgers are up one Latos. He’s a pretty good one, on his own.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
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According to sources there is a third team involved in the Dodgers/Marlins trade which is bigger than being reported
The money that the Marlins saved will go to a second homerun sculpture and 5,000 more seats in a new centerfield bleacher section.
No, they would just get the city of Miami to pay for something like that.
The Blue Jays have talked a lot about adding character guys. The Dodgers have talked about it less. Of the two, it’s the Dodgers who’re in playoff position.
Swap Buehrle and Hutchison for Kershaw and Greinke and I’m pretty confident the Jays would be in playoff position too.
Swap Donaldson for Callaspo and the Dodgers would be even better. What are we doing?
Darren was pretending he was Ned Colletti running the Dodgers. You were pretending you were Ned Colletti if he was running the Blue Jays.
Pretty sure he is just pointing out the ridiculous fallacy of Jeff’s italicized statement. As if bad character guys are why the Dodgers are winning.
That’s a way to infer Jeff’s statement. Personally, I didn’t infer any cause and effect. Dodgers good. Dodgers clubhouse maybe not good.
Who ever reads this article and comes away with this conclusion should propably just concentrate on other things.
Swap Kershaw and Greinke for 2 SPs on basically any team and there’s a good chance they’d be in playoff position.
not the mets or white sox with those offenses.
Replacing Colon with Kershaw or Greinke alone would put the Mets in playoff position. Subtracting Niese/Gee and adding the other Dodger would only solidify those chances. They’re only 2 games back of the Nationals and 4 games back for the second wild card spot.
And the White Sox are only 2.5 games back of the Twins for the second wild card. Dumping Danks and Rodon/Noesi for Kershaw and Greinke would certainly give them 2.5 games.
At what point do we start openly shaming the Marlins for operating their team like a business? Is the onus on Marlins fans to just stop going to games altogether? Would an attendance of zero actually even lose the Marlins money, or are we in some sort of Major League: The Motion Picture situation?
They could still make money from, revenue sharing, gate sharing, and TV. The agent of change would have to be the league office, not revolting fans
Hey, be nice
I don’t think the Marlins should be shamed for running themselves like a business. I think the Marlins should be shamed for running themselves like a bad business.
How are they run like a bad business?
Well they just sort of had to sell (assuming the deal goes through) two offseason additions that were supposed to help them win.
They have two of the youngest and greatest players on the planet and still fail to be competitive.
They can’t fill the seats, they do apparently do a lousy job of marketing themselves to the city of Miami, so it’s not successful in dollars or wins.
You assume they’re in the business of winning baseball games when really they’re in the business of making money.
so how is low attendance helping with that?
With their business model they might make money with no attendance.
The aim of a business isn’t to make money. Its to make the most money possible. $100 profit>$1 profit. Relentless losing gets you less money than winning, hence bad business.
If the cost of winning is greater than the increased revenue earned by winning, then there’s no reason to win.
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Pretty sure this was foreseen by the seer Yogurt in Spaceballs…
How much of a prick can a guy who named his cat “Cat Latos” really be?
See also: Dancing Cat Latos
Kitty Purry should pounce on Cat Latos.
I agree. That’s adorable.
Baseball is a business first and then a sport, but like somebody mentioned the Marlins are terrible operating as a sport AND business, their owner is a shame for all of baseball and unless he sells the team, the Marlins will never make it anywhere. This organization is a joke, they are awarded a “competitive balance” pick every year, yet every year they sell it for cash. No players want to play for the Marlins because they will get traded. This is a shame because this team has so much potential, yet it is so poorly run. Stanton might get traded this off season to NYY or LAD. MLB should ban this owner from baseball
We don’t actually know that the Marlins would make more money if they tried to win. They’d make more if they could win on a low budget than by losing on a low budget, but winning on a low budget is hard whereas a low budget if you don’t really care if you win is easy.
The Marlins have a business model that pretty well guarantees the owner a big profit every year until MLB steps in and does something about it.
I’m not clear on why the rest of MLB puts up with this (essentially the Marlins are parasitic on MLB, taking money and valuable draft picks, but not building the fan base or selling merchandise or attracting national TV viewers to generate league revenues).
But the rest of the MLB owners do put up with it, and the Marlins do make money. And without viewing the financials it’s hard to say if they’d make more some other way.
Stanton could be a Cardinal or on a few other teams right now…
While I do feel bad for the guy, he did the deal with Loria. No one held a gun to his head. It is more than 50% on him.
Do you feel bad for the CEO of Target because he’s not the CEO of Walmart? Dude lives in South Beach and is worth 300 million dollars.
Latos and Morse are both in uniform for Marlins tonight.
and all Zach Greinke wants to know is…do Latos and Morse wash their hands after they use the restroom?
I’m with Greinke. I guess I always sort of ‘assume the best or close to it’ with co-workers, etc, but playing/traveling with teammates for over half of the calendar year probably makes it clear which teammates are a little less hygienic than others & that’s likely tough to ignore. Good for him.
You know, I know Florida is a challenging place for sports teams but Miami is still a top ten market. I can’t imagine that it’s good business for the league to have a franchise that is so inept at building a customer base in a city that should be able to support a major market team.
Giving Loria South Florida was a dumb short sighted business move. Owners like him might be great at squeezing every penny out of a tiny market, but a new team in a city that size should be treated like a loss leading growth business in the initial years.
And yet the Marlins have 2 World Series wins in the last 20 years. That’s as many as the Cardinals, and topped only by the Yankees, Red Sox, and Giants. Unfortunately, they’re doing something right.
Getting lucky?
First one was Huizinga buying a team. Second was also a big spending spree, coupled with the emergence of Miguel Cabrera and some luck
And now we find out Alex Wood and Jim Johnson are involved in this deal. Dodgers have to be giving up something of more value..
i thought it was chris johnson, that would make a big difference.
they are giving up hector oliviera
Free Guerrero
Hey, that’s my thing!
It’s hard to evaluate trades right after they happen, but do you think we could maybe wait until the trade has ACTUALLY happened?
I noticed the Latos as a non-character guy note. I think that is an understatement.
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