Mets Buy Low and High on Tyler Clippard

I don’t remember where I saw it, but I read the other day about some baseball executive who doesn’t like the idea of paying July prices for relievers. If it isn’t actually true, it at least seems true that relievers get the biggest mark-up come deadline time. Which might seem silly, given how few innings relievers throw. But then, teams keep paying. Maybe they’re on to something, or maybe it’s an inefficiency, but in our reality, we see relievers get prospects. The Mets just traded prospect Casey Meisner for reliever and free-agent-to-be Tyler Clippard.

Something you note about the Mets: they’re in second place in their own division, trailing the Nationals by two games. Something else you note about the Mets: they’re 3.5 back of the second wild-card slot, and the Cubs are also a game in front of them. Because the Mets aren’t even in playoff position, it’s easy to see things staying this way, the Mets ultimately giving up a prospect for practically nothing. But the Mets have been working to make the team better now, and, there’s something about relievers and important games.

Hell, you know why maybe the Mets would’ve seen this as important? Consider a half-inning from the middle of last week:

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In part because Terry Collins didn’t get to Jeurys Familia quick enough, Bobby Parnell gave away an important game to the Nationals. Parnell’s been good before, but he’s not his old self, and the Mets bullpen is thin. It’s a bullpen that projected poorly. It’s a bullpen that had a place for another arm. Clippard adds depth to the group, depth that, had it been present last week, might’ve shifted the divisional landscape.

But let’s not look backward. Just looking ahead, think about the utility of a good reliever. He becomes vitally important in any one-game playoff, and in a playoff series, innings can be arranged so as to maximize playing time for good pitchers. In October, a good reliever pitches more than he would in the season, and that boosts his value. The Mets aren’t exactly building what the Royals had, but every little bit helps. Every late-inning alternative to Bobby Parnell helps.

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An important question: how good is Clippard, actually? Instead of assuming a good reliever, you need to investigate the reliever himself. And, there’s no doubting Clippard’s track record. He’s been a highly-successful reliever before, for a while, and though you can talk all you want about the peripherals, Clippard has bested those indicators. He’s weird; you probably know that. Super extreme fly-ball guy. Since 2002, 358 different pitchers have thrown at least 500 innings. Clippard’s ERA- is 21 points lower than his FIP-, the third-biggest difference in the pool. His ERA- is 29 points lower than his xFIP-, the single biggest difference in the pool. Think of him a little like a relieving Chris Young, if that helps. But more successful. Clippard has missed bats and kept fly balls in the yard.

It’s just that this year has raised some questions. Clippard has turned a few of his strikeouts into walks. Which is only okay if it isn’t predictive. All the stuff is fine. But Clippard has taken a step back in overall strike rate, and first-pitch-strike rate. There are 251 pitchers who’ve thrown at least 30 innings each of the last two seasons. Clippard has the fourth-biggest drop in strikes, and the fourth-biggest drop in first-pitch strikes. Who knows how much that means? If it’s just a slump, it’s nothing. But it could be Clippard getting closer to falling off the knife-edge ridge he’s long been traversing. A worse Tyler Clippard might not help the bullpen at all.

For now, he gets the benefit of the doubt. Which brings us to Casey Meisner. Meisner, who the Mets have shipped to the A’s. He’s not enough of a prospect for this to be a disaster, but he’s enough for disagreement. He’s 20 years old, and six-foot-everything. An excerpt from Kiley:

With just incremental adjustments the next few years, Meisner is an inventory arm that could be a back-end starter, but he’s only 20, so the chance for Oakland winning a projection gamble and getting a mid-rotation guy is still alive.

Kiley sees a potential future, but not a particularly noisy one. On the other hand, an excerpt from Keith Law:

If healthy, at worst he could be a Chris Young type with a better breaking ball, and at best he could become a No. 2 starter as he still has a lot of room for growth — both physical and mental.

Law believes more in the upside. So, in his opinion, this is too much to give up. Kiley and Keith are specialists, and I am not, so I defer to them on their evaluations, but just for the sake of some perspective, Meisner isn’t yet a top-100 asset. He’s made all of six starts in High-A, and he hasn’t been great. If it tends to be the best prospects who become the best values, things level out as you get further from No. 1. Meisner is quite a bit separated, and he’s faced relatively low-level competition. One way you can think about it: a prospect in the upper levels has a chance to be good. A prospect like Meisner has a chance to have a chance to be good. More achievements are necessary before Meisner is doing anything noteworthy in the major leagues.

He’s a real return, a promising return, a return the Mets might one day regret, but right now they don’t want any more regrets in 2015. And if they have their druthers, they won’t have another last Wednesday.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Billy Beane
11 years ago

Who do I give handshake duties to now?

The Eck
11 years ago
Reply to  Billy Beane

Me, you turd.

John
11 years ago

So who the heck is gonna close out ballgames in Oakland now? Rodriguez? Mujica? Scribner? Pomeranz? O’Flaherty? I’ve seen articles suggesting each of these guys.

JKB
11 years ago
Reply to  John

The other team’s closer…

Daniel Ross
11 years ago

Seriously, you hate because Sandy does nothing, now you hate because he overpays? Come on now!

Bill
11 years ago
Reply to  Daniel Ross

Who’s hating?

Taylor S.
11 years ago
Reply to  Bill

Haters gonna hate (hate, hate).

francis
11 years ago

7th and 8th inning relief was a huge hole for this team, so having Mejia and Clippard makes them a much better team than they were a month ago.

On the other hand, I agree that being buyers when you basically have no shot ( I don’t consider ‘maybe we’ll get to the wildcard, and from there you never know …’ as having a shot ) is generally a mistake.

What I like about Clippard is that it makes the likelihood that Collins uses Familia five times in a week smaller. I would never use Familia more than twice in four days. Now they never have to.

What I really hope is that the Mets move Colon this week. Fan favorite, decent pitcher, but I’d much rather replenish the farm and take a chance with a Verrett for 8 starts then stick with Colon.

matthew flanagan
11 years ago
Reply to  francis

You’d get a marginal reliever (at best) for Colon and you’d have to pay his salary down in order to get someone to take him. If you were going to replace him in the rotation, you’d keep him on as a long man because you wouldn’t get anything back in a trade.

francis
11 years ago

I guess you’re right.

I think these moves are ok as long as they stop here. The only caveat would be if they could get someone who doesn’t hit FA until 2017 – but no more 2 month rentals.

I suppose if this team happens to make the wildcard, it would look bad if they didn’t even bother having a replacement for Mejia and Wright; but the idea that getting an Upton or Tulo is going to thrust them into contention with STL, LAD, SF, or WAS is a little silly.

Sure, miracles can happen, but if a miracle is your game plan, you don’t need Upton or Tulo.

Buns
11 years ago

Is Mejia eligible during the playoffs?

BarryK
11 years ago
Reply to  Buns

No, Meijia is not eligible.

Yefferson
11 years ago
Reply to  Buns

Nope. Sandy is optimistic, obviously.

francis
11 years ago
Reply to  Yefferson

Think of it as having low-cost replacements for Mejia and Wright if they happen to make the wild card.

BarryK
11 years ago

Meijia and Parnell are only recently back and are both former closers. Robles and some of the other young Met relievers have also pitched well recently. So there are internal candidates to take some of the load from the over used Familiar. Yes, I concede that Parnell doesn’t appear to be the closer that he use to be, but last week’s poor outing was his first inadequate appearance in a dozen or so games. The Mets need hitting and unless a big name appears this week, the team is not likely to rise much much above .500. That is, unless Clippard can become a cleanup hitter.

Yefferson
11 years ago
Reply to  BarryK

I doubt Alderson is done dealing. He still hasn’t traded even a top 20 preseason prospect, so there is still a lot of talent left to deal.

Rey
11 years ago
Reply to  Yefferson

Pretty sure Whalen and Meisner were both top 20 and Meisner would have ranked top 10 if not moved. Otherwise, let’s see your current 10.

Jobu
11 years ago
Reply to  Rey

Fangraphs preseason prospect list has meisner at 22, whalen at 25

Dovif
11 years ago

While u might be correct that this is a over paid for a reliever. But if there is one team in the league that have an excess of young sp prospect it is the mets. With 5 young arms in the majors already maiser would not be a top 5 arms I in the org. So it is unlikely the Mets would miss him

Randy
11 years ago

The addition of a bullpen arm is done with an eye toward the post season, when individual matchups are magnified. Whether perceived or real, managers like to have the ability to play these matchup advantages. I think this deal makes less sense for the Mets than a team with a stronger position (like the Nats). This isn’t the type of a deal that propels a team INTO the playoffs, it makes a difference once you are in the playoffs. It also doesn’t matter beyond this season. So I think the Mets may have been better off using their prospects to acquire a higher upside arm or a impact bat, which would transform them from a fringe team into a favorite. We do this analysis in other instances, where a marginal upgrade (1 or 2 win) addition means more to a contender than to a mediocre team. They could still do something else, of course. Their thinking could also have been influenced by the prospect of having to play a one game playoff, which would again magnify those reliever/batter matchups. Nonetheless, I think Clippar is the third best reliever on this team behind Familiar and Mejia.

Randy
11 years ago
Reply to  Randy

Actually, it is important to note that Mejia is ineligible for the playoffs due to his suspension, which likely influenced NYs pursuit of a reliever.

HOFPizza
11 years ago
Reply to  Randy

Marginal upgrade of 1 or 2 wins as you put it puts the Mets in contention for first place in division, so I imagine that’s very much worth it. They’re only 2 games behind the Nats and plenty of baseball left.

durn
11 years ago

They’re probably going to pick up Rafael Soriano just to complete their mock of the Nationals bullpen of last year.

Jeff
11 years ago

I haven’t seen anybody say this, and I will admit that I’m a poor Fangraphs reader for not quite knowing how to do it myself…but has anyone investigated whether Clippard’s walk rate is up because of the catching in Oakland vs. Washington?

Blastings Thrilledge
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

I was thinking the same thing, but if you mean framing, a quick look at the Catcher Report shows both teams’ catchers at around average.

Brooks
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

Worth noting that Clippard’s K/BB away from Oakland this year is better than his career, and its a K and a half lower than his career in Oakland. Also, the only time he has given up a run outside of Oakland this year was one bad inning in Fenway.

I’m chalking it up to the coliseum.

Ryan
11 years ago
Reply to  Brooks

Which is weird because before the trade to Oakland I remember reading that as a flyball pitcher, Clippard would likely have better numbers in the Coliseum

Ryan
11 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

*after the trade to Oakland

Jon
11 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

I chalk it up to a new trend i’ve noticed as an A’s fan. Some players respond to “being used” as rental players in the fashion Clippard was poorly (and Holliday, many others.)

Combine their never fully feeling like a true Athletic and the small crowds and growing rep that Beane “trades too much,” (i think he’s imperfect but poignantly over-ripped) and un-intentionally guys just don’t have as much passion in it.

vivalajeter
11 years ago

And now it comes out that Mejia is banned 162 games for a second positive test. It’s either a big coincidence, or the Mets traded for a reliever knowing that a spot was going to open up very soon. It looks like Clippard will have a bigger role on the team than we thought a few hours ago.

Roger
11 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

FWIW, Adam Rubin says that Alderson says it’s a coincidence and that the deal was done before he found out. It’s not like Terry was using Mejia in many high-leverage situations anyhow.

vivalajeter
11 years ago
Reply to  Roger

If Alderson contradicted me to reporters, then I’ll take that to mean I was correct.

Mike
11 years ago

One thing nobody seems to mention is that the Mets have lacked a situational lefty since Blevins broke his arm, and there’s no timetable for his return. Although Clippard is a righty he has always had reverse splits, so this actually kind of checks two boxes for the Mets.