Mets Go Long With James McCann
Going into the offseason, the Mets had a huge hole at catcher, and with Steve Cohen taking over as owner, they also had a lot of money to spend. Those two forces have apparently combined, resulting in free-agent catcher James McCann making his way to New York. Robert Murray indicated a four year-deal was likely two weeks ago, last week Andy Martino reported talks were serious, with Ken Rosenthal reporting the sides were close to a four-year deal. On Sunday, it was Rosenthal who first reported a deal in the range of $40 million, pending physical, with Jeff Passan saying the deal was just over the $40 million mark. But while McCann is certainly an upgrade for the Mets at the position, the deal is curious given the years involved and J.T. Realmuto’s continued availability.
In our Top 50 Free Agents, I ranked McCann 33rd and expected a contract in the range of two years and $14 million; the average crowdsource numbers were in that same ballpark. Over at ESPN, Kiley McDaniel ranked McCann higher at 14th, but expected a modest deal of two years and $21 million, while Keith Law left McCann off his top-40 at The Athletic entirely. In his write-up for us, Jay Jaffe went over McCann’s plusses and minuses:
Quality catchers aren’t easy to come by these days, and for teams that can’t afford to offer a nine-figure deal to Realmuto and are loath to invest in a 38-year-old [Yadier] Molina (or simply aren’t the Cardinals), McCann offers a reasonable alternative. Admittedly, his track record for above-average play isn’t a long one; he was 0.7 wins below replacement as recently as 2018, and netted -0.1 WAR from 2014-18, that while hitting for just a 75 wRC+. Even so, his 3.8 WAR over the past two seasons is tied for fifth among catchers, while his 116 wRC+ is eighth.
Underlying his recent performance are substantial improvements on both sides of the ball. From 2015-18, McCann posted an average exit velocity of 87.9 mph and a .304 xwOBA, but he’s up to an average of 90.2 mph over the past two seasons, with a .328 xwOBA. Meanwhile, he posted his first above-average framing numbers this year (2.3 runs, up from -9.0 by our data, and from -8.0 to 1.5 via Baseball Prospectus). He’d be an upgrade for several teams.
McCann’s last two years have raised his profile considerably since he was non-tendered after the 2018 season. Over 587 plate appearances, he’s hit .276/.334/.474, albeit as an all-or-nothing slugger against righties with a 30% strikeout rate and very few walks; conversely, he’s crushed lefties, with a 132 wRC+ against them in 2019 and a 236 mark last season. The projections, though, still see McCann’s awful pre-2019 self: Steamer has him with an 80 wRC+, and while ZiPS is more optimistic, it expects him to be about 10% below league-average with the bat. Everyone, it seems, is having difficulty determining how much stock to place in small-sample performances like his great 144 wRC+ in 2020 that came in just 30 games. Aging plays its part, too: As Jay noted, a 116 wRC+ over the last two years is an excellent mark for a catcher, but McCann turns 31 next June, so even if we take that mark as his present talent, we would expect a decline in performance as the years pass.
If McCann is an average or slightly above-average hitter and an average defensive catcher, he’ll be worth about three to three and a half wins in 2021. There is some question about his defense, though. While we have articles dating back nearly five years (and as recent as January) about McCann working on his framing, up through 2019, that work didn’t appear to bearing fruit. If he were to become a good framer, he could push himself into the four-win range with a solid offensive season.
As you can see, the range of outcomes for McCann is vast given the large swath of outcomes he has already provided in his career. A one-win season seems just as likely as a four-win campaign. Betting on something close to average or maybe a bit above-average in 2021 is the safer choice. For the Mets, McCann’s improvements, even in a small sample, outweighed the questions about his prior performance, his age, and his ability to handle a full workload at catcher.
Still, a four-year deal doesn’t make sense given where McCann is today and where he’s likely to be over the next three or four years as he enters his mid-30s. It’s possible that 2021 is the only year he performs at a full-time starter level. And while the cost for McCann might be lower than Realmuto, adding the former instead of the latter would seem to suggest that the Mets are going to set their sights higher elsewhere, perhaps pursuing George Springer. Adding McCann and Springer would greatly improve the team. The problem would be signing McCann without making another big move, which would be a fairly big disappointment given the new expectations in Queens, and removing Realmuto from the board only leaves a few big splashes left for a team that still has considerable work to do. McCann fills a need, but he’s not a slam dunk.
As for Realmuto (and to a lesser extent Yadier Molina), the list of teams needing a catcher drops by one, even if it does alter expectations for the cost of catching in free agency. With the Phillies talking about reducing spending but then hiring Dave Dombrowski (who presumably wouldn’t have taken the job without some payroll promise) and the Yankees’ motives at catcher unclear, Realmuto’s market isn’t as great as it was. The Nationals might make some sense, and if the Blue Jays miss on other targets like Springer, he could enter into their mix. Houston is also a possibility. The Angels were rumored to be in on McCann. After that, we are into mystery team territory. That makes this a good day for McCann and a decent day for the Mets, but not a great one for Realmuto.
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Does that mean that Realmuto is a better value at 5 for $25 million?
If the Angels decided to go for it and sign Ozuna, Realmuto, and Bauer and found someone to take Pujols by dangling Adell, etc. (I know, I know, unlikely for *all* the reasons)…that’d be a fun team to watch (though I guess you could say that about TOR, as Craig pointed out)
I’m pretty sure that the sorts of guys they’d be willing to trade to get rid of contracts is more like Jeremiah Jackson, Jahmai Jones, D’Shawn Knowles types and not Adell. If they’re trading Adell away, they probably need to dump Upton too and that starts to look a bit much for everyone involved.
I’m all in on the idea that the Angels should sign all of Realmuto, Bauer, and Hendriks though. That would be a championship contender, easily.
This whole thing is banking on (1) McCann holding on to a league average offensive line like he did in 2019 while (2) he is at an average framer based on his very-small-sample improvements in 2020 and (3) he catches closer to every day like he did in 2019. League-average defense at catcher in one way or another, with league-average offense, is a pretty valuable player.
So I’m pretty well convinced that McCann deserves a chance at a starting job, given the sorry state of catching in major league baseball right now, so from that perspective it’s a good pickup by the Mets. It is, however, a fair amount of money to give to a catcher who might not be quite so good at catching, so the downside risk is considerable.
New owners like to make flashy moves.
The flashy move would be a dump truck worth of cash for Realmuto.
Cohen signing McCann shows both willingness to spend but also restraint. If they get two good years off him, it’s a good enough deal. Especially if the next CBA brings roboumps.
There’s virtually no ‘considerable downside risk.’ He only has to be worth 5 fWAR over the entire deal to be neutral value. That’s not a lot.
And if he isn’t, $10M isn’t going to break the bank. 3rd year arbitration eligible players routinely clear $10M.
He’d basically have to instantly return to his 2016 self to be a boon.
Your math on this is only makes sense in a world where there is an abstract “8M/win” threshold that makes it a breakeven point, when in reality it is always just supply, demand, wins, and opportunity cost.
The downside risk is that the framing ability he demonstrated last year is either a complete blip, or not sustainable when he’s catching 2/3rds of the time, meaning he starts at his 2019 self and then either his bat or defense (or both) goes down from there as he enters his third decade of life playing a position that is notoriously hard on the body. There are even worse scenarios than that involving his bat regressing to his Detroit days, but they seem less likely; the one about his framing and/or fielding completely going to hell is totally plausible.
All that said, I would say it is worth the risk. There are not many catchers who have a really good shot at a league-average batting line. If his framing / defense is neutral and the bat plays as expected, it’s a clear win.
“…or not sustainable when he’s catching 2/3rds of the time,…”
—That doesn’t make sense. McCann has started 2/3 of the time from 2015 through 2019, averaging 112 games a year, nearly all of them starts. It fits the definition of a guy who can start 2/3 of the time probably better than any catcher in the majors.
Yet he didn’t have good framing numbers during any of those years, did he? It’s fair to wonder if his good framing in 2020 was merely due to a relatively small sample size.
Wilson Ramos was certainly a better hitter, and probably a similar defensive catcher. That didn’t work out too well.
Better hitter but he was awful defensively
The Wilpons played Ramos into the ground, as they typically did with old or injured players, having him set a personal record for games caught his first season with the Mets. That surely hurt his 2019 season and left him in tatters for 2020.
How is it possible that this is never remarked upon?
Buster Posey and Joe Mauer were both significantly better players than Realmuto and those deals aged like milk. This deal is no slam dunk but even if he’s worth 1 win a year it’s not a terrible deal whereas a 5 year $150M deal for JTR would go down like nails in the latter years. They probably gave 1 extra year for a catcher that kills lefties and has ranked well on defense by baseball reference every year, it’s fine.
Exactly.
Flashy but not bank-breaking.
A good omen for the new regime.
what the hell are you talking about? According to FG, Posey has already delivered his value of his 8 year contract. In fact he delivered his value back in 3 years based off of his performance. In 3 years he provided his 159$MM dollar value back to the club. He was way underpaid. His contract should’ve been 8 years for 200$MM or more. Giants got the better end of that deal by far.
First off relax. Second Posey was a great player but he was not a positive contributor in 19, opted out of 20, is owed $22M for 21 and then will likely be bought out of 22 for $3m. Teams don’t generally like paying players for several years to get nothing out of them, that’s what the hell I’m talking about Willis.
Posey has been better than I thought he was, that is for sure. He wasn’t all that bad last in 2019 also. He certainly wasn’t good, but he wasn’t bad either.
Posey still had tremendous bat to ball skills late in the contract, but that huge contract was about him being a middle of the order run producer, something he hasn’t been since 2017. His ISO in ’18/’19 were .98 and 1.11, which is basically Mallex Smith territory. Not what you pay $22M for. Your point about Posey earning his money in the first 4-5 years stands, but that’s the point. If they signed him to a 6 year contract instead of a 9 year contract they would have been much better off and still gotten all the good years.
(But I’m a player’s fan, not an owner’s fan, so good for Posey getting paid on the back end!)
Feels weird to say that a 4 year deal doesn’t make sense if that’s what the market dictated his abilities were worth. It’s clear the Mets and Angels were in on him, so it’s a simple issue of demand. The Mets had to go the extra year to win his services.
But on talent alone, it still makes sense, If he’s an average hitter and an average defender and is worth ~3 wins in 2021, that’s $24m in value in year 1 if you use $8m/win. The bar is so low for catchers that he can easily earn his contract in 2 years if he puts up 5 wins total and does nothing else.
I generally agree with the $/WAR calculations up until 2020. But I don’t think we should use them for this year, until we get a better sense of things. The non-tender deadline was strange compared to previous seasons, MLB revenues are questionable for the first time in a while, and we don’t know what the 2021 length of season will look like.
While we don’t know the overall impact, it’s safe to say it will be downward. There already are plenty of well-reasoned people who didn’t like the $8M/WAR figure.
Much safer to say something like $4-6M/WAR for this offseason. Makes this more of a stretch, also the team is taking on risk at a time when everyone else is avoiding it. Seems like a #lolmets move to overpay based on the scale that is no longer applicable, to a player estimated to get 2/$14M.
Then again, maybe this is all wrong and teams behave as if we aren’t in a pandemic.
The $/WAR calculations are pretty tough to defend even in normal times. If they were correct, than pretty much every single player projected for more than 2 wins would get a qualifying offer.
I actually hate $/war as a metric, but Craig has used it in his work before, so it feels weird that he’d ignore it now.
What I think we’re going to see is that only certain FAs will be affected by the “pandemic poverty” that teams are declaring. Just like with the original incarnation of the QO, it’ll likely have a more out-sized impact on mid-tier FAs who don’t play in-demand positions. McCann was clearly the second best catcher available, and he can hit decently enough for the position. That’s scarce, and it’s clear that teams don’t want to commit to the megadeal that Realmuto wants. Whereas Trevor May only got 2/15 a few years after Joe Kelly and Jeurys Familia got 3/~30.
Trevor May is pretty much Justin Wilson, but with sexy strikeouts (and less attractive HR-allowed problems). You’re paying for upside the 31 yo has probably already manifested. He’s gotten nowhere near Familia’s peak, which the oddball Wilpon Mets thought they were buying for 3/30m.
I think that it’s easy to conflate valuation with the results.
I don’t think teams ever really value a player at $8-10M per WAR. As you say, they project and calculate closer to 4-6. I also don’t think this is linear with player performance.
But there is a much bigger tail when a big name FA under performs his contract than whether they exceed it. So the resulting average of what they get is bigger than the average valuation.
I think that the Mets signed McCann projecting him at 5-6 WAR over the deal, and if he only puts up 4 they won’t be too upset about it.
I never agreed with it either. I think it is a good baseline for the high end contracts, the superstars, etc. But I am pretty certain that isn’t how the MLB values it or even close to it, especially with catchers/relief pitchers. It is pretty simple honestly. Guys with certain skill sets seem to always be able to get jobs regardless, (Jeff Mathis, relief pitchers) whereas plenty of 1-2 WAR corner guys seem to have very little value in the MLB because there are likely plenty of 28yo guys floating around the high minors who could probably put up similar numbers, with more control, unproven upside, and a minimum salary.
It’s pretty obvious that teams have a budget and a certain number of wins they want to add, and they do their best to match both objectives. The high-end guys have value to ownership as status goods on top of that, and what teams are willing to spend for pitchers, scarce position players, and more common position players.
The $/WAR calculation, as we have been pointing out for years now, is calculated as the return of wins on the free agent market, not what was expected. I use it for prospect valuation because Craig did a ton of work benchmarking prospect values to it, but as a predictor of free agent contracts it doesn’t work.
Supposedly, Realmuto wanted a 7 year deal from the Mets. This hasn’t been widely reported, but it comes from a personal source who has no reason to lie, and has been completely accurate on everything he’s told me over the past three years or so. Assuming that is true, it explains why the Mets never seemed very “in” on Realmuto, despite the obvious match.
It is really hard to give a huge contract to a guy who plays catcher, because it’s just so hard on your body. So absolutely no one is giving him more than five years, and seven isn’t even a framework worth responding to. Maybe he gets a vesting option for 6. If he doesn’t strike a deal before the Angels find someone to split time with Stassi his market is going to collapse, because it sure doesn’t look like the Nationals, Yankees, Phillies, or Cardinals are interested in handing out a nine-figure contract to a catcher right now.
I realize so much of JT’s value is that he plays catcher, and pretty well at that. I realize that is what his value was/is, but I’d say of all teams Mets are probably the worst equipped to handle an aging catcher, because they are already have out of position guys at all the corner positions minus Dom, and too many at that. With Dom and Alonso and JD all under contract till 2025 they won’t have a ton of 1st base/DH at bats going around either if JT needs more rest and/or someone starts knocking on the door in the minors.
Well said, and in addition the Mets’ nucleus is right around peak age, averaging 27.6 , with a median of either 27 or 28, depending how you squint. They’re going to get significantly older this offseason, probably signing 4 to 6 guys who are going to be 30 or older in 2021, and their talent in the low minors probably isn’t up and contributing meaningfully until 2024, if then.
The pity of it is the Mets’ window with their current nucleus of good players is 2021 and 2022, but the new team owner oddly talked about his eventual disappointment if the team doesn’t win a WS in three to five years. That betrayed a thoroughgoing misunderstanding of where the team is, currently, and Cohen probably got that misunderstanding from Alderson, the team’s de facto GM this offseason.
They really are going to waste deGrom’s prime. It’s shocking sports malfeasance.
JTs agent forgot to look at how many catchers in the last 20 years have been worth at least 1.5 WAR per season from age 31-36.
I went back a little further and found 13 players (with enough time at C for Fangraphs to count them, for whatever that is worth) who were +/- 5 wins of Realmuto through age 29… I looked at all players who debuted 1986 onward.
Mike Zunino is also headed to his age 30 season, so not very useful as a comp for projections. Down to 12.
Figuring is a -1 for any missed seasons (or if the player retired as the guaranteed money probably “convinces” them to stick around and suck), here are the averages by age:
30 2.1 fWAR
31 1.9
32 1.9
33 0.7 (0.9)
34 0.7 (1.0)
35 0.4 (1.5)
36 -0.9 (-0.8)
The numbers in parens are just the averages where the players were active (ie without the -1 fWAR for missed seasons)
With the -1’s, looks like the comps managed to average ~1.5 wins for age 30-34 and just shy of 2.0 for the first 3 years, which might be good enough (front-end value) for many teams anyways.
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This said, “asking for 7 years” probably means “willing to accept 6 years”; and then if still unsigned in February, “will settle for 5 years”…
There was also discussion very early that JT was not interested in playing in NY. The caveat was always “money talks” but overpaying in years and dollars for a guy who doesn’t want to be there is a recipe for disaster on both ends. So, the Mets pivoted to McCann and clearly didn’t want to lose him because, let’s see, next best catchers were basically known commodities in Yadi, Suzuki, Jason Castro, maybe going back to Ramos. All fallback options at this point in their careers, nothing you could sell as a win on the market.
It’s not mentioned here, but Giolito gave McCann a lot of credit for helping him turn things around, and helping pitchers get better could just be one of those “intangible things” some players bring. It could be some of what the Mets think they’re getting/paying for.
That is generally true, but…
The Mets pitching is fairly mature. Other than Matz, who else needs a nanny catcher?
Diaz?
DeGrom can hardly get much better regardless of who catches him.
Diaz needs a nanny pitcher
I didn’t realize how great Diaz was last year. Felt like there was a lot of negative narrative around him, but in my eyes at least, he is still the best closer in the game.
Found Brody’s burner account
Yes, he was my main man every five days.
“It’s not about how much less we can get someone for, it’s about getting that somebody. We can now emphasize the acquisition rather than the cost.”-SA
“I’m not trying to make money here…It’s really about building something great, building something for the fans, winning.”- SC
Anybody can say those words but they’re backing them up so far. I don’t think every team would have been comfortable offering $18.9 million for one year of Marcus Stroman. The Mets did it. They have a lack of upper minors pitching depth that they can option up and down, so they outbid everyone for Sam McWilliams and tendered Robert Gsellman. They tendered Steven Matz when a lot of teams probably wouldn’t have wanted to pay his arbitration price.
So they end up giving McCann four years, which I think is ridiculous. But they did what they had to do to improve one of the team’s most glaring weaknesses with an AAV that won’t cripple them if McCann ends up disappointing. There’s zero chance this is the last major signing they make.
What you’re referring to are, in fact, blunders. There’s a distinct opportunity cost for adding lost pitchers like Matz and Gsellman. It means you’re signing May instead of Liam Hendricks, or getting Jose Quintana instead of Masahiro Tanaka. The Mets are actually going to put Matz at #4 in the rotation if he isn’t horrible in ST, when even his 2018-2019 results are nothing a serious contender would accept.
Sam McWiliams, a solid 750k signing, was not remotely in the same category as the Matz and Gsellman fiasco. Good lord, for the money likely paid to the last two, add 2.5m and the Mets could have had bid on Mike Minor, or by adding 1.5m made a 1/8m offer to Robbie Ray—both of whom are far better bets than Matz (and whatever the he!! they think Gsellman is [their new #8 starter they can stash in the minors?]) to turn in a season a contender needs from their #4 slot in the rotation.
Realmutos contract wll likely be around 200$MM / 8 Years. Somewhere in that range. He’s worth way more than that actually, but with steep discount factors I added in plus some other conservative things i’ve added he’ll probably get around that 200$M dollar mark.
From who? I’ll take the under.
Gotta say, for all this talk about a tough off-season for free agents financially, I’m not seeing it. Drew Smyly at 11 million dollars, Mccann goes way above the predicted numbers from numerous sources, and even guys like Robbie Ray managed to do well. Sure, there were a few guys who were released that may have raised eyebrows (Hand) but seems like those who’ve signed already have done better than expected.
I think it’s pretty clear that the market for starting pitchers and catchers has been surprisingly unaffected by the pandemic-related losses. I’m less certain about corner outfielders and second basemen, although the market for them has been pretty rough the last couple of years.
I don’t know how long market for pitchers can hold. Probably half of the teams in MLB are going to see their salary commitments go down from last year, and maybe quite a bit more. The Yankees, Rangers, Cubs, Astros, Tigers, Rockies, Clevelands…all going down. A lot of others may keep payrolls relatively steady, but only a few teams look like they’re going to increase payroll (the Mets, Giants, and Blue Jays are the most obvious, and the Royals and Orioles will by default). So either the teams are going to pay more than they expect for pitching, or the pitchers still available in February are going to be taking miserable deals.
My theory is that we will see the impact when there are a large number of unsigned players still looking for a contract/spring training invite when March comes around and a lot of low value one year deals signed at the last minute.
If I was an agent, I would advise my clients to sign any offer that came their way now rather than wait for something better that might never happen.
I don’t understand the hate. McCann’s contract is neutral value at 5 fWAR spread over 4 years. His upside is he exceeds that in his first two seasons. His down side is the Mets spend 5% of their payroll on a backup tier C. 3rd year arbitration eligible players routinely clear $10M these days.
Isn’t this the site that couldn’t get enough of Jason Heyward and valued him at astronomical numbers? How’s that working out?
I don’t mind it either, but I don’t think that anyone believes the war valuation at all anymore.
It’s a legitimate basis to use in evaluating these deals.
In addition to solid backup type catcher, he’s a righty with a lot of promise mashing lefties, so always solid platoon value.
Can’t believe I’m saying this, but:
This was the smart move by the Mets.
I think outside analysis like this one is starting to fall behind the economic curve. The “good potential but no statistical track record” signings like McCann, Zack Wheeler, DJ Lemahieu, etc.. are starting to get more and more common, and more and more expensive, because more and more teams are looking at this exact strategy.
When you are evaluating an under-the-radar , high-variance signing (which McCann at #33 in FA rankings certainly is), this IS the going price for those signings now.
I have no idea if McCann is actually good or not or whatever, I am not a baseball analyst, just a financial one. But I do think too many people are comparing a bargain today to a bargain from 10 years ago. That bargain from 10 years ago is no longer possible.
I can understand why a team is a bit hesitant to dole out a 9 figure, 4-5 year contract for a catcher that’s already 30, even if that catcher is as good as Realmuto. It doesn’t take much decline or injury for a deal like that to become an albatross awful quickly, and so I don’t mind going for a second tier guy and using some of those resources on another player more likely to contribute at a higher level every single day.
Of course, a 4 year deal for McCann undercuts some of this argument, but it’s very possible lots of teams are wary of Realmuto for that same reason, making McCann’s market far stronger than anticipated. I think if Realmuto avoids the injury bug and doesn’t have a steep decline at the beginning of his 30s, he could be a real steal for some team. I think a team like the Rangers, Reds, Diamondbacks, or Brewers guys who need impact talent but can rarely afford it or have other bad contracts weighing them down, could become surprise winners in the Realmuto sweepstakes. And whether that contract turns out to be good or bad could determine whether they (continue to) compete in this half decade or the next.
Eno Sarris has mentioned it before but Realmuto to Houston makes a lot of sense right now, even though many wouldn’t like it.