Mets Lose Jacob deGrom, Sign Next-Best Thing: Justin Verlander

Just three days ago, there was gnashing of teeth and rending of garments in the blue-and-orange tinted sectors of the New York metropolitan area. Jacob deGrom, light of the world, oppressor of batters, had taken the money and run to Texas. This was a black eye for the conspicuously moneyed regime of hedge fund billionaire Steve Cohen, who’d promised to do for the Mets what Gulf state sovereign wealth funds are doing for European soccer teams. Instead, he’d been outbid for the best pitcher in baseball, a homegrown superstar the likes of which the Mets hadn’t produced since… is it sacrilegious to say Tom Seaver?
Fear not, because the Mets have secured a hell of a fallback option. On Sunday night, former Met Carlos Baerga announced on Instagram — because sure, why not? “Carlos Baerga’s Instagram” is my favorite Bo Burnham song — that Justin Verlander was signing with the Mets for two years and $86.8 million, with a mutual option for a third year. On Monday morning, ESPN’s leading scoop man, Jeff Passan, reported substantially similar news: Verlander to New York for two years and $86 million, with a vesting option for 2025.
Depending on how you feel about Carlos Rodón, there are either two or three legitimate difference-making no. 1 starters in this year’s free-agent class. (And even a Rodón superfan such as myself will acknowledge that deGrom and Verlander are a step above.) The Mets lost one but gained another.
This signing represents a delightful reunion of former teammates Verlander and Max Scherzer, one that will no doubt lead to numerous shots of the two talking shop in the dugout as onlookers wonder what these great pitching minds could be discussing. It also allows the Mets to retain a 1–2 punch at the top of the rotation that ought to give them a significant advantage against most playoff opponents. And even with Verlander’s advanced age, there’s a compelling argument that it’s better to give him $43 million a year for two years than give the more injury-prone deGrom $37 million over five.
Now, the eternal question: How far does $86 million worth of Verlander get you in this day and age?
Well, the man will be 40 years old in February; at that age, most pitchers are not only cooked, but they’ve also sat in the fridge for a while and been repurposed as part of a leftover parfait. Verlander, obviously, is not most pitchers. That year or so when maybe the miles were starting to pile up and people were putting him on “worst contract in baseball” lists? That was back in 2014–15, or about as far in the past as his MLB debut was when he was supposed to be cooked.
What’s happened since then? Well, Verlander went from a borderline Hall of Fame case to a slam-dunk first-ballot guy. Since 2016, a seven-year span that includes (essentially) two seasons lost to Tommy John surgery, he has won two Cy Young Awards, finished an extremely close second twice, won two World Series (including his winning a World Series start for the first time in his career), pitched more than 1,000 innings, recorded a 300-strikeout season, passed the 3,000-strikeout threshold, et cetera, et cetera, and so forth.
For most of the past 15 years, Verlander, when healthy, has been whatever a no. 1 starter looked like by the standards of the time. When that meant striking out a batter an inning for 250 innings a year, that’s what he did. When that meant striking out 12 batters per nine innings for 200 innings a year, cutting walks to nil and allowing almost no runs but solo homers, that’s what Verlander did. In 2022, his first full season since the pandemic, he maintained his fastball velocity and exceptionally low walk rate, trading a reduction in strikeout rate (35.4% in 2019 to 27.8% in 2022) for a two-thirds reduction in home runs (his HR/9 dropped from 1.45 to 0.62 and his HR/FB rate dropped from 16% to 6.2%.) The results? Well, he won the Cy Young, so that seems pretty good.
It’s fair to ask whether Verlander can continue to be literally among the best pitchers in baseball into his 40s. And that will be the expectation, given the girth of the bag he secured, to say nothing of the hysterical environment created by Cohen, the fishbowl effect of the media capital of North America, and a fan base that doesn’t take much provocation to act like it’s living out the Book of Job. It’s also worth considering that the Astros are letting Verlander walk after a postseason in which he was roundly outpitched by both Framber Valdez and Cristian Javier. But a two-year contract with a vesting option isn’t a long commitment, and while it’s reasonable to expect Verlander to decline over that time, it’d be a genuine shock if the quality of his work fell off a cliff.
Let’s put it this way: All things being equal, I’d rather have deGrom than Verlander. The upside of deGrom is that when he’s healthy, he’s the best pitcher in baseball by some margin, the kind of unhittable mutant who can only be comped to turn-of-the-century Pedro Martinez or prime Sandy Koufax. The downside of deGrom is he’s hurt and doesn’t pitch at all. The upside for Verlander is that he’s among the best pitchers in the league; the downside is he’s a no. 2 or (if he comes over all AARP-y in year two of the deal) no. 3 starter. Apart from the abdominal injury that dogged him in 2014 and the Tommy John sabbatical, he has been uncommonly healthy throughout his career and seems as likely as any pitcher to remain so. And when he’s been healthy, he’s usually been in the Cy Young conversation.
Factoring their contracts into the equation, Verlander can give the Mets most of what they’ll miss about deGrom, and his shorter contract and better injury track record make him a much safer option. That’s the nice thing about having an owner who treats the competitive balance tax the same way he treats federal regulations against insider trading: the Mets can pay more up front in order to avoid the riskiest part of most free-agent contracts.
Verlander gets to cash in for another huge payday and chase another ring, and the Mets not only fill the deGrom-shaped void in their rotation but also do so on a deal that makes financial sense. Unless you’re the Astros or an NL East competitor, there’s nothing not to like.
Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.
And Rodon adds another year to his ask.
Six years, starting at $30M per. Let the auction begin.
Do we hear…$200M?
After the deGrom deal, I thought Rodon would get a similar set of guarantees over 6 years, and I still think that, with the Yankees the most logical landing spot. It’s really hard to see any team going higher than that, and I’m not convinced that any of the Dodgers, Rangers, Mets, Twins, Orioles, or Padres are going above $150M (I think the Mets or Rangers would have before, but not now).
Probably but as the last “Ace” standing he can wait to see how the musical chairs play out. Not all the contenders have one.
A lot depends on who wants to throw in options.
And the market so far is playing out high.
You want to bet against Boras?
If he and Rodon try to break $200M? Yes. Anything short of that I would not be surprised, but getting one team to $210M implies they got another team to $190M or something like that, and I don’t think there are two teams going to $190M.
Again, you’re probably right.
But Boras has gotten teams to bid against themselves before by involving mystery teams. Which aren’t always made up.
Unless Judge signs with the Giants and Cashman needs to go on a massive spending spree to make up for it, I don’t see the Yankees being big players in the starting pitching market. If Severino can keep looking like he did at the end of last year, then the Yankees have 4 pitchers who are number 1/2 quality in Cole, Severino, Cortes, and Montas (assuming he fixes whatever was wrong last year). They need bullpen help way more than starting pitching help. And they also, uh, need an offense, since without Judge their offense consists of Anthony Rizzo, Gleyber Torres, the ghost of Giancarlo Stanton, a bunch of rookies, and some people who cannot hit a baseball.
The longer Judge holds out and the more talent signs elsewhere, the harder it will be to find a comparable collection of talent. Or fill the holes arounfd him. The yanks can’t afford to wait.
They can’t be enjoying watching their targets get away.
a fan base that doesn’t take much provocation to act like it’s living out the Book of Job
That’s an exaggeration!
/Mets lose 2 of 3 to the Marlins
Perish the day on which I was born
and the night that told of a boy conceived.
May that day be darkness,
may God on high have no thought for it,
may no light shine on it.
Less commitment than deGrom, and likely to be more productive. What’s not to love about this for the Mets?
I think I’d rather have Verlander on this deal than deGrom on his. I realize Verlander is quite a bit older and the AAV is higher, but he seems at least as durable as deGrom and it’s a lot less money overall. This gives them a Scherzer-Verlander 1-2 punch for the next two years, which also corresponds to the remaining team control of Jeff McNeil and Pete Alonso (and most of Starling Marte).
Me too, and it’s not particularly close in my mind.
Verlander’s WAR the past 4 years:
6.6
6.4
0.0 (injury)
6.1
deGrom:
6.9
2.6
4.9
2.2
With both of these guys, they’re easily worth their contract if healthy. So it’s a bet on health. Verlander feels like a better bet on that front by a country mile, and the fact that it’s a much smaller bet in terms of years makes it even better.
Verlander past 4 years is actually:
6.4
0.0
0.0
6.1
Thank you. Moving too fast.
I would try to extend McNeil and Alonso right now imo you can get McNeil on a four year deal, Alonso will prob go to free agency.
Precisely. The risk vs the upside makes this easy in Verlander’s favor. At least if his contract turns into an albatross it won’t be weighing you down for the extra three years
It’s really hard to imagine thinking of Verlander’s deal being an albatross, given that it’s a two year deal.
If I were them I’d turn my attention to Nimmo, because CF is almost certainly the biggest hole on the team unless they think Marte can move back there and the only other outfielder who is as good or better is Judge (who they seem to not be in on). I don’t think they have to worry about missing out on pitching entirely–there’s not that big of a difference between Bassitt, Eovaldi, Taillon, and Walker that I’d worry about losing out on any of them. One of them will still be there in a couple of days.
Latest rumor is they’re talking Benintendi.
Eovaldi is attached to a draft pick so I’d pass I’ would go hard after Senga but the Mets seem to really want Tallion I bet the Yanks regret not giving Tallion a qo.
I don’t understand why Taillon is so special compared to Walker or Bassitt. They’re all kind of the same guy. Walker maybe has slightly lower upside but he doesn’t have quite the same durability questions of the other two (partly because he’s younger).
Senga would be a great fit for something like 10-15 teams, and I agree that the Mets don’t seem like a likely fit, but he is meeting with the Mets. I would guess the Padres and Blue Jays will be very aggressive and get a lot of consideration from Senga, with maybe the Mets, Yankees, and Giants after that as the most likely fit. I’d guess the Rangers, Red Sox, and Cubs will also be aggressive but he might not be as interested in them.
I get the QO stuff with Eovaldi since it will cost them their second rounder, though I think not getting a 4th rounder or whatever for signing Bassitt is fine.
They almost have to re-sign Nimmo, because TINA. Rolling with Marte in CF seems like a real bad idea. If they re-sign Nimmo, and add one of the Bassit/Senga/Taillon/Taijuan arms, I’d imagine that’s the extent of the spending, other than a cheap bullpen arm or two.
Which would still put them in roughly a tie for the best team in the NL alongside the Dodgers and Braves, so it seems reasonable they’d be done after that point. What left could they try to do? Try and replace Escobar at 3B?
If money is no object Bogarts can be slotted there.😁
I assume Baty will get another chance after a month or two in AAA, which seems fair, assuming he continues to hit and work on his defense.
Integrating guys like Alvarez and Baty is essential, considering what the Mets are paying their top two in the rotation. Got to have guys earning the minimum somewhere…
Holy cow, Trea Turner signed with Philly. That’s not relevant to this but wow.
And 11 years wow
It’s one louder, isn’t it
That was the expectation.
Best fit.
And it is relevant because it the same division. Phils don’t want the Mets to get all the press.
Phew, thought they’d sneak in for Rodon
Steve Cohen inches closer to some invaluable city real estate in exchange for some public entertainment, but also I’m definitely going to Mets games next year. Verlander’s proooobably my favorite active player with only that being the criteria
“That’s the nice thing about having an owner who treats the competitive balance tax the same way he treats federal regulations against insider trading”
Yep. Reap the benefits if it works, and if it doesn’t: blame the guy you paid to make the decision.
On Verlander, I would not expect him to drop off a cliff, but I think he was surgical this past year with fastball location moreso than any other year in Houston. I think the home runs will likely return (Steamer projection looks very good). Happy to see him go to a NL team. Happy to see him make good money.
On the Astros, they appear to have had about $60M AAV for this year’s budget. I don’t think the 2-year committment was the problem. They wanted a 1B, 1 other bat (DH or LF), and a backup catcher and ~17M was just not enough to fill those gaps. As soon as the Astros signed Montero, it was pretty clear they were going to try for Rizzo/Abreu, Contreras (the bat plus C in one), and a cheap LH OF (or expensive OF, cheap catcher). I expect Contreras (if they can get him) and Abreu to provide more value next season for same money without taking away playing time from good players (Verlander would likely be taking innings away from 1.5 RA-9 WAR to 2.5 RA-9 WAR SP if he was an Astro).
I dunno about the homers maybe a little but he’ll pitch half his games in Citi field where fly balls go to die.
He only gave up 4 homers at home last season (not counting the postseason). He’s incredibly hard to string hits against to score runs without homers. If Citi can keep him at 4 homers at home next season or close to it, he’s going to win a lot of games.
Well, Washington could win that division in 2030
This makes way more sense for this mets team. Scherzer has an opt out, this commitment is short term, Diaz has an opt out, and almost every other talented hitter has their contract up by the end of 2024. Things are going to be bleak by 2025, so no sense paying degrom 40m to sit on the IL at that point. I’ll miss him dearly, but this is the smarter allocation of money, assuming Cohen just didn’t want to have both of them for some sad reason.
Dunno that it’ll be bleak Alvarez and Baty could be special and Ramirez could be on the way up and Parada too. They’ll still have Lindor and I think McNeil and Alonso stay so that’s a good position player core. They’ll spend on veteran pitchers for a little while more.
I actually see Parada as the one with the be potential to be special. Dude should have went #1 last year, steal of the draft @ 12
Alvarez is special, Ramirez is their new riser, and Parada and Williams were great picks. I’m not sold on anyone else as more than an 1-2 WAR guy, but I’m happy to be proven wrong. And the pitching depth is a real weak spot.
They’ll have to keep spending to remain viable, especially on pitching, until the org emulates the Dodgers and churns out depth and talent out of nowhere.
Well the bright side is that you have two top 20, including #1 overall, prospects taking over this year. Things aren’t that bleak
I think the more likely scenario is that they just keep signing pitchers to massive free agent deals. Next offseason they’ll probably go after Aaron Nola; the season after that will be Zack Wheeler, Corbin Burnes, Brandon Woodruff, or Shane Bieber. They’ve got enough interesting position player prospects (Alvarez at C, Baty at 3B, Ramirez in CF, Parada…somewhere) that by 2025 they should have enough to make another go of it by building around Lindor and whatever elite starters are available to hire.
Having Nimmo back would probably help that, and they could pursue extensions with Alonso and McNeil too. So I wouldn’t write them off so fast.
Or Ohtani
Not that I have a problem from a performance standpoint but I don’t think Wheeler is coming back.
Parada’s the much more certain (two way) catcher btw he and Alvarez
I would have said the opposite but I suppose we will find out if Alvarez can catch soon enough!
I see Alvarez’s bat as special…Pretty nuts how talented the two are, wouldn’t want to underrate Alvarez’s potential so much as highlight how good Parada is. It’s somewhat lost that Parada didn’t turn 21 until after the draft
Verlander injury and five healthy years of deGrom incoming, because lolmets. All the down voters won’t come back later to admit I was right.
But seriously, I think there is way too much belief in past injury history as a signal of future injuries for pitchers. If deGrom has a run of health and Verlander turns into a pumpkin, nobody *should* be that surprised.
Truth…I don’t even believe The Data (all hail) suggests DeGrom is the extreme injury risk currently painted. Said it before but can’t emphasize enough that injured pitchers don’t average 99 MPH with a 3% BB rate
I think I’m in the same vicinity as you. But 5y vs 2y is a big difference for any pitcher in terms of risk. I loved watching deGrom pitch and I hope he has a great next 5y allowing him to go into the HOF as a Met.
Exactly.
They could both get injured. They could both stay healthy and great. Doesn’t mean the Rangers weren’t dumb for committing that much for a 35 year old pitcher with a recent history of sketchy health, when they’re still at least a year away from being a year or two away.
This. Thank you. The Mets fouled this up so badly. Jake was The Franchise II, but neither the team nor most of the fans, it seems, cared a whit. And despite Jake’s recent injury history (let’s not forget he threw more regular season innings than anyone between 2017 and 2020), not only has his stuff not diminished, it’s been at its peak for the past three seasons. Justin Verlander cannot say the same. He managed to succeed wildly in 2022 despite diminished stuff, but that’s as much of a high-wire act as throwing nearly 200 innings in one’s first full season post-TJS, then being able to do it in one’s second and third post-surgery seasons—in one’s early 40s. Didn’t the Mets have a much younger guy a few years ago who also threw a ton of innings post-TJS, including a World Series Game 5? What was his name? Harvey Batman, I think?
Looking at baseballsavant for Verlander’s stuff last year, if that’s “diminished”, than 99% of pitchers in baseball should be so lucky.
And as for deGrom, it’s become very clear that he wanted out of NY, and had acted that way for quite some time.
As a fan who roots for the Mariners, I’m glad he’s finally out of the AL West.
It’s a little weird that so many Mets fans seem to feel a fiduciary responsibility to Uncle Steve (well, he IS family, I suppose). Maybe it’s a coping mechanism, like when Braves fans rationalized letting their franchise player walk. But I’m not ashamed to say that I’m angry and upset at the Mets—and the fans—for taking Jake for granted. (You’ll never be my real dad, Justin!)
Anyway, here’s a trivia question: of the Mets’ five projected starters—Verlander, Scherzer, Carrasco, Megill, and Peterson—who had the lowest SwStr% in 2022, and who had the lowest CSW%? (Hint: it wasn’t Scherzer, Carrasco, Megill, or Peterson.)
I understand the emotional connection, but just like the Braves committing to Olson was probably the right move, this is probably the better move for the Mets
Agree to disagree.
Everything people do is a coping mechanism
<Fast and the Furious Vin Diesel growl> Family
Can’t wait ‘til Steve-y gets the real estate he’s after
It seems crass to suggest such a thing, but is Verlander’s best comp right now Roger Clemens?
deGrom has fewer WAR in his nine-year career (41.1) than Dwight Gooden did during the first nine years of his career (48.5), so I don’t think we need to go quite as far back as Tom Seaver, and would all do well to remember how awesome Doc Gooden was.
most pitchers are not only cooked, but they’ve also sat in the fridge for a while and been repurposed as part of a leftover parfait
That metaphor indicates a far better future for Verlander the pitcher than for the Milk in the pitcher in my fridge.
I think it’s fascinating how the defining pitchers of this last decade or so have all seemed to end up playing together at some point. There are four active starters above the JAWS standard (Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw, and Greinke) who will likely be first ballot HOFers, and deGrom who would be up there with them with better injury luck and who will probably lock up his HOF case if he can win another Cy Young Award. Of that group, we’ve seen:
Verlander/Scherzer in Detroit
Kershaw/Greinke in LA
Verlander/Greinke in Houston
Scherzer/Kershaw in LA
Scherzer/deGrom with the Mets
and now Verlander/Scherzer with the Mets