Mookie Betts’ Postseason Tour de Force
Watching Mookie Betts on a daily basis makes it difficult to understand how his teams ever lose, though they did in Game 2 of the World Series on Wednesday night, in part because the Rays kept him in check. The 28-year-old right fielder is one of the game’s top hitters, but his contributions are hardly confined to the batter’s box, and during this postseason — as it’s been throughout his seven-year major league career — he has amply illustrated just how well-rounded his game is.
In Tuesday’s World Series-opening 8-3 victory, Betts put on a show with his baserunning, that after working a five-pitch leadoff walk against a flagging Tyler Glasnow to start the fifth inning. The Rays had just trimmed the Dodgers’ lead to 2-1, so when Betts stole second and then third base — the latter at the front end of a double steal with Corey Seager, who also walked — and then scored on a fielder’s choice thanks to a great secondary lead and a well-executed slide, it was a big deal.
Betts’ journey around the bases not only produced a run without the benefit of a base hit, it effectively tossed an anvil to Glasnow as he was trying to keep his head above water. “At that point, he was kinda not in the zone as much,” Betts told MLB Network’s Greg Amsinger afterwards. “So I knew he was going to try and slow up and get back in the zone, and I was able to take advantage of it.”
The sequence proved to be an inflection point in the game, as Glasnow continued to unravel before being chased after 4.1 innings. The Dodgers went on to score three more runs in that inning, easing the pressure on starter Clayton Kershaw and the rest of the lineup. Betts himself went on to pound reliever Josh Fleming’s first pitch for an opposite-field solo homer to start the sixth. A complementary oppo taco to go with the complimentary one he’d earned everyone from a certain fast-food chain for the Series’ first stolen base.
While that was Betts’ first homer of the 2020 postseason, and while he went 0-for-3 with a walk in Game 2, he’s hitting .308/.413/.481 through 63 PA, which, yeah, that works. He hits for power and for average, works his way on base even when he doesn’t (note that 15.9% walk rate), and once he’s there, he distracts and disrupts. His 147 postseason wRC+ is a ringer for this year’s 149 regular season wRC+ (based on a .292/.366/.562 line), which on a personal level ranked second only to his 185 mark from 2018, the year he won the AL MVP award.
Betts’ fielding has been on display this fall as well, particularly in punctuating the Dodgers’ comeback from a three-games-to-one deficit in the NLCS against the Braves. First there was his momentum-turning shoestring catch of a Dansby Swanson fly ball in Game 5, which turned into an inning-ending double play because Marcell Ozuna left third base too soon, turning that ridiculously accurate sidearm-on-the-run throw home — a reminder of his origins as a second baseman — into window dressing. Then came his theft of an extra-base hit from Ozuna in Game 6, which probably prevented Freddie Freeman from scoring from first base, and finally his robbery of a home run from Freeman in Game 7:
It’s a pity we don’t have postseason fielding metrics, because Betts has all the UZRs and all the Defensive Runs Saved, but the case for him as the game’s most complete player — to echo a title bestowed upon the late Joe Morgan — is already well-established thanks to Wins Above Replacement, which in any flavor captures the multitude of his contributions. Dating back to his first full season (2015) he’s second in the majors in terms of FanGraphs WAR at 38.4. Not only is he the only player within 10 wins of Mike Trout (46.8) in that span, but he’s nearly 10 wins ahead of third-ranked Francisco Lindor (28.9), though admittedly, the latter didn’t play his first full season until 2016. Narrow the window to 2018-20 and Betts trails Trout, whose defense has merely been average in that span, by just one win (21.0 to 20.0).
Though he’s “only” ninth in the batting runs component of WAR in the 2015-20 span (and tied for 15th in wRC+), Betts is the runaway leader in runs derived from baserunning and fielding, the “little things” that once upon a time didn’t show up in a box score:
| Rk | Player | Batting | Base Running | Fielding | WAR | Base + Field |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Mookie Betts | 161.1 | 43.6 | 76.7 | 38.4 | 120.3 |
| 2 | Billy Hamilton | -114.8 | 51.1 | 44.5 | 7.1 | 95.6 |
| 3 | Kevin Kiermaier | -17.7 | 23.5 | 63.3 | 16.0 | 86.8 |
| 4 | Andrelton Simmons | -22.0 | -0.2 | 76.6 | 18.5 | 76.4 |
| 5 | Yasmani Grandal | 58.1 | -28.4 | 102.4 | 26.6 | 74.0 |
| 6 | Jarrod Dyson | -52.3 | 31.7 | 38.9 | 7.4 | 70.6 |
| 7 | Jason Heyward | -5.7 | 16.8 | 47.9 | 13.3 | 64.7 |
| 8 | Tyler Flowers | -3.6 | -7.4 | 65.1 | 14.4 | 57.7 |
| 9 | Francisco Lindor | 74.3 | 1.5 | 54.0 | 28.9 | 55.5 |
| 10 | Kevin Pillar | -46.0 | 23.3 | 31.4 | 12.7 | 54.7 |
| 11 | Lorenzo Cain | 35.6 | 17.9 | 36.2 | 19.9 | 54.1 |
| 12 | Brett Gardner | 15.9 | 32.3 | 21.3 | 15.9 | 53.6 |
| 13 | Austin Hedges | -67.5 | -2.7 | 56.1 | 5.6 | 53.4 |
| 14 | Buster Posey | 51.9 | -15.6 | 68.1 | 22.4 | 52.5 |
| 15 | Byron Buxton | -22.5 | 23.1 | 28.3 | 8.7 | 51.4 |
| 16 | Kolten Wong | -1.8 | 18.3 | 28.0 | 13.8 | 46.3 |
| 17 | Martín Maldonado | -59.0 | -12.2 | 57.8 | 9.1 | 45.6 |
| 18 | Ender Inciarte | -24.3 | 19.9 | 25.6 | 11.8 | 45.5 |
| 19 | José Ramírez | 100.5 | 32.0 | 13.4 | 26.4 | 45.4 |
| 20 | Matt Chapman | 56.5 | 5.6 | 38.3 | 16.7 | 43.9 |
Betts’ advantage over the field is even wider if we throw out 2015, when he was still the Red Sox’s regular center fielder, but more or less average in that spot defensively according to UZR (0.7) if not DRS (11). Considering the 2016-20 span, he’s even further ahead of Hamilton, 113.3 runs to 75.0, with Kiermaier a distant third at 64.3. Check out the consistency with which he’s dominated the annual rankings in this area:
| 2016 | Player | Team | Batting | Base Running | Fielding | WAR | Base + Field |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Mookie Betts | Red Sox | 31.2 | 10.6 | 21.1 | 8.3 | 31.7 |
| 2 | Buster Posey | Giants | 10.6 | -3.3 | 31.7 | 6.7 | 28.4 |
| 3 | Billy Hamilton | Reds | -12.6 | 13.1 | 11.9 | 2.9 | 25.0 |
| 4 | Adam Eaton | White Sox | 14.5 | 4.5 | 18.9 | 5.9 | 23.4 |
| 5 | Yasmani Grandal | Dodgers | 12.0 | -5.6 | 28.0 | 5.8 | 22.4 |
| 2017 | Player | Team | Batting | Base Running | Fielding | WAR | Base + Field |
| 1 | Mookie Betts | Red Sox | 5.8 | 9.2 | 21.5 | 5.3 | 30.7 |
| 2 | Byron Buxton | Twins | -5.3 | 11.8 | 10.0 | 3.6 | 21.8 |
| 3 | Martín Maldonado | Angels | -16.0 | -2.7 | 24.2 | 3.1 | 21.5 |
| 4 | Andrelton Simmons | Angels | 1.9 | 2.0 | 17.5 | 5.0 | 19.5 |
| 5 | Billy Hamilton | Reds | -28.9 | 9.4 | 8.7 | 1.2 | 18.1 |
| 2018 | Player | Team | Batting | Base Running | Fielding | WAR | Base + Field |
| 1 | Mookie Betts | Red Sox | 62.3 | 6.9 | 16.8 | 10.4 | 23.7 |
| 2 | Andrelton Simmons | Angels | 5.5 | 1.1 | 19.7 | 5.4 | 20.8 |
| 3 | Harrison Bader | Cardinals | 3.6 | 7.6 | 10.7 | 3.6 | 18.3 |
| 4 | Brett Gardner | Yankees | -6.4 | 8.9 | 6.7 | 2.6 | 15.6 |
| 5 | JaCoby Jones | Tigers | -17.4 | 3.2 | 12.3 | 1.2 | 15.5 |
| 2019 | Player | Team | Batting | Base Running | Fielding | WAR | Base + Field |
| 1 | J.T. Realmuto | Phillies | 6.3 | 5.4 | 18.3 | 5.7 | 23.7 |
| 2 | Austin Hedges | Padres | -24.1 | 0.1 | 20.3 | 1.4 | 20.4 |
| 3 | Mookie Betts | Red Sox | 31.4 | 5.6 | 12.6 | 6.6 | 18.2 |
| 4 | Jarrod Dyson | Diamondbacks | -18.4 | 8.9 | 7.9 | 1.3 | 16.8 |
| 5 | Adalberto Mondesi | Royals | -10.4 | 6.7 | 9.1 | 2.4 | 15.8 |
| 2020 | Player | Team | Batting | Base Running | Fielding | WAR | Base + Field |
| 1 | Kevin Kiermaier | Rays | -1.4 | 2.2 | 7.7 | 1.3 | 9.9 |
| 2T | Mookie Betts | Dodgers | 15.3 | 3.3 | 5.5 | 3.0 | 8.8 |
| Joey Gallo | Rangers | -6.5 | 2.7 | 6.1 | 0.8 | 8.8 | |
| 4T | Trevor Story | Rockies | 5.6 | 4.0 | 4.0 | 2.5 | 8.0 |
| Nolan Arenado | Rockies | -6.2 | -0.5 | 8.5 | 1.0 | 8.0 |
Not only is that three major league leads plus two league leads in that combination of categories, but no other player cracked the top five more than twice in the span. And of course none of those players has the bat that he does.
Revisiting a piece I wrote in mid-August concerning Betts’ standing in Baseball-Reference’s version of WAR, his 3.4 led the NL (by FanGraphs’ version, his 3.0 was second to Freeman’s 3.4); he belongs alongside Freeman in the NL MVP discussion. What’s more, the 45.2 bWAR he’s accumulated over his first seven seasons ranks 16th among position players by that measure, that despite the fact that his span is bookended by a 52-game rookie season and then 55 games this year. Even with the shortened debut campaign, he was seventh in bWAR among position players through their first six seasons, but the pandemic knocked him down a few rungs. I’ve updated the table because damn, this is good company:
| Rk | Player | Years | Age | WAR | PA | WAR/650 | POS | Pos WAR7 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Ted Williams+ | 1939-1948* | 20-29 | 62.5 | 4615 | 8.8 | LF | 41.7 |
| 2 | Albert Pujols | 2001-2007 | 21-27 | 54.9 | 4741 | 7.5 | 1B | 42.7 |
| 3 | Mike Trout | 2011-2017 | 19-25 | 54.4 | 4065 | 8.7 | CF | 44.7 |
| 4 | Mickey Mantle+ | 1951-1957 | 19-25 | 52.6 | 4114 | 8.3 | CF | 44.7 |
| 5 | Wade Boggs+ | 1982-1988 | 24-30 | 51.7 | 4629 | 7.3 | 3B | 43.1 |
| 6 | Willie Mays+ | 1951-1958* | 20-27 | 50.9 | 3983 | 8.3 | CF | 44.7 |
| 7 | Jackie Robinson+ | 1947-1953 | 28-34 | 50.9 | 4518 | 7.3 | 2B | 44.4 |
| 8 | Barry Bonds | 1986-1992 | 21-27 | 50.3 | 4255 | 7.7 | LF | 41.7 |
| 9 | Arky Vaughan+ | 1932-1938 | 20-26 | 50.3 | 4362 | 7.5 | SS | 43.1 |
| 10 | Joe DiMaggio+ | 1936-1942 | 21-27 | 50.1 | 4418 | 7.4 | CF | 44.7 |
| 11 | Stan Musial+ | 1941-1948* | 20-27 | 49.9 | 4031 | 8.0 | RF | 42.4 |
| 12 | Rogers Hornsby+ | 1915-1921 | 19-25 | 46.9 | 3576 | 8.5 | 2B | 44.4 |
| 13 | Ty Cobb+ | 1905-1911 | 18-24 | 46.8 | 3732 | 8.2 | CF | 44.7 |
| 14 | Hank Aaron+ | 1954-1960 | 20-26 | 46.7 | 4530 | 6.7 | RF | 42.4 |
| 15 | Frank Robinson+ | 1956-1962 | 20-26 | 46.0 | 4491 | 6.7 | RF | 42.4 |
| 16 | Mookie Betts | 2014-2020 | 21-27 | 45.2 | 3875 | 7.6 | RF | 42.4 |
| 17 | Eddie Mathews+ | 1952-1958 | 20-26 | 45.1 | 4456 | 6.6 | 3B | 43.1 |
| 18 | Johnny Mize+ | 1936-1942 | 23-29 | 45.0 | 4188 | 7.0 | 1B | 42.7 |
| 19 | Rickey Henderson+ | 1979-1985 | 20-26 | 44.1 | 4142 | 6.9 | LF | 41.7 |
| 20 | Jeff Bagwell+ | 1991-1997 | 23-29 | 43.1 | 4410 | 6.4 | 1B | 42.7 |
| 21 | Ernie Banks+ | 1953-1959 | 22-28 | 42.6 | 3954 | 7.0 | SS | 43.1 |
| 22 | Mike Schmidt+ | 1972-1978 | 22-28 | 42.4 | 3831 | 7.2 | 3B | 43.1 |
| 23 | Chase Utley | 2003-2009 | 24-30 | 42.2 | 3813 | 7.2 | 2B | 44.4 |
| 24 | Ralph Kiner+ | 1946-1952 | 23-29 | 42.2 | 4557 | 6.0 | LF | 41.7 |
| 25 | Home Run Baker+ | 1908-1914 | 22-28 | 42.2 | 3853 | 7.1 | 3B | 43.1 |
Betts ranked 19th when I checked in last time, and he’s passed some no-doubt Hall of Famers since, hence the update. Twenty of the top 25 players in bWAR through their seventh seasons are in the Hall, and the rest besides Betts belong there; active or retired, they’re now above the JAWS standards at their positions (the four in blue are the ones who hadn’t made it through seven seasons) and have plenty of other credentials in their favor.
Betts’ 45.2 bWAR is nearly three wins above the seven-year peak standard for Hall of Fame right fielders and ranks 11th all-time, between Reggie Jackson and Larry Walker, and again, that’s with two soft seasons (2.3 in his rookie campaign) that he should easily surpass in the coming year. Via the ZiPS projection that Dan Szymborski provided me for that piece, he projects to wind up with the seventh-highest peak score (51.0) and eighth-highest JAWS (65.1) among right fielders, a no-doubt Hall of Famer.
Another championship to go with the one he won in Boston in 2018 would certainly advance Betts’ cause, but even before a champion has been crowned, it’s worth a moment to pause and appreciate not only the skill that Betts brings to the game, but the excitement, the flair, and the joy. Trout doesn’t have the good fortune to play for a perennial contender. Betts does, and thanks to the 12-year, $365 million extension he signed with the Dodgers, will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
Imagine being John Henry, which is to say having a net worth of a couple billion dollars, and looking at this remarkable, likable athlete with this elite collection of skills and intangibles and deciding, “Nah, the price tag is too high. Find me an executive to blow up this roster and demoralize this fan base while I put more money into European soccer — finally, I can hire Billy Beane! — and ballpark-adjacent real estate, because that’s more fun than winning with the game’s most complete player!” Henry may get the last laugh on the accountant’s ledger, but it’s the Dodgers, and everybody else captivated by Betts’ play now that he doesn’t have to worry about where that will be, who are the richer for it.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
Betts was not staying in Boston. He made that clear by turning down a huge offer. That’s fine, people should work where they want. But the Red Sox have Verdugo and Downs and would have had nothing when Mookie departed after this “season.”
Isn’t it very much contested whether Betts got a “huge” offer from Boston? If I recall they offered $300/10, which is clearly inferior to the deal he got from LA despite the fact that he signed during a pandemic. In this case, huge is a relative term.
Yeah a lot of talk around a rumored offer that Betts turned down. This is kind of Boston’s MO with free agents, work through innuendo and leaks about offers that aren’t ever formally presented as a CYA when the player leaves.
It’s John Henry’s team and his money so he can work negotiations however he wants and Betts can participate in the dance or not. Both made their choices, but don’t claim there was a formal offer made that Betts turned down. They floated a rumor to see if he’d come to the table, he declined to negotiate that way and the Sox traded him.
John Henry owned media vehicles (the network and paper) were doing a damn good job of letting everyone know that John Henry wasn’t going to pay Betts.
They knew what they were getting in Dombrowski. They got it, a title, but in the meantime they also got to be Detroit, the last team DD way overspent on top talent and let all below go to … Pawtucket.
Cherrington helped build a productive farm system of hitters. But he also signed HanRam and Panda, two disastrous moves. Also, say what you will about Xander Bogaerts, but it’s time to move to third base for him. One thing Boston’s GMs have shared since and before Theo,a lack of interest in defense at shortstop. Since Cabrera was not signed in 2005 (his D was a major reason for 2004 success), they have been lacking in that area. Stephen Drew played really well during the outre 2013 season, but Xander’s range is not good enough.
Third37, I support what you say completely. Short of a deal in excess of Trout’s, and I believe not even with that offer on the table, Mookie was not going to return to the Red Sox. Why we will never know. Was it some slight or the way he felt about Boston, notorious for treating black athletes poorly, just ask Bill Russell. I loved watching Mookie play, and I still do, but this blasting of John Henry, who is, by far, the best owner the Red Sox have ever had, is getting very tedious. It was an untenable situation and Verdugo and Downs are going to look a lot better in the Red Sox lineup for years to come than an empty #50 hanging in the clubhouse.
I don’t think he wanted to return. But I have no reason to believe what ownership says about it.
I am not sure how I feel about the relationship posited here between WAR and the “most complete ballplayer” label. Offense is incredibly important, which is why it is represented so heavily from WAR, and WAR attempts to capture all aspects of the players, so then what is the justification for deviating from WAR?
I do think there is a name for what Mookie Betts is doing, whose secondary skills are so impressive (although they were more impressive earlier in his career) that you want to talk about them, but whose offense is still also really good. Maybe that is “most complete ballplayer” after all? Maybe it’s because Betts doesn’t seem to have ridiculous raw power but still gets home runs, and he walks almost as much as he strikes out, maybe we’re reacting to that as well–we think he does the “little things” at the plate.
I’m just feeling kind of lukewarm on this for some reason.
I think making a distinction between complete and best is fine. Trout’s still a better player than Betts, but this season he looked like he might need to be in a corner in the very near future – he had the worse defensive metrics of any player in MLB.
There is something aesthetically pleasing about players like Betts or like Trout has been, who are consistently excellent at everything. Even players who are that with the dial turned down – guys who are just average to above average at everything, without being excellent at any of them (Like Chris Taylor, for instance) can be quite enjoyable to watch.
Offense is more valuable in WAR because it’s more valuable over the long term. In terms of single game win expectancy, the value of a great baserunning or defensive play can match the value of an offensive action. Those things are diminished over a whole season because the opportunities to do them do not often present themselves, but plate appearances are guaranteed.
For instance, even in Globe Life which seems to be particularly favorably suited for HR robberies, the opportunity to rob a HR doesn’t occur every game, so the ability to make that play is less valuable of the course of a season.
In the context of a single game, Betts’ robbing a HR from Freddie Freeman in NLCS Game 7 was, in theory, more valuable than Betts hitting a solo HR himself (both plays account for 1 run, but the stolen HR also gives the Braves an out, whereas there are positive outcomes for a Betts PA that isn’t a HR, such as reaching base in any other way). Similarly, opportunities to score on a contact play from 3rd base don’t present themselves to most players very frequently, but successfully converting one can have a significant impact on win expectancy.
This doesn’t mean WAR’s badly constructed, but it can mean that a player like Betts – or like Bellinger, who is similar in many ways – can, if events align, capitalize on more opportunities to make a decisive play. Both Bellinger and Betts have shown that defensively, while Bellinger has not had the opportunity to do so on the bases like Betts has (though he has, if you can believe it, similar footspeed to Mookie Betts).
Many players lack the capacity to capitalize on those opportunities entirely. Since the opportunities are rare, this doesn’t significantly impact their value over a long stretch of games, but it makes a player like Betts really stand out when he’s able to do so. And Trout has been this kind of player himself for most of his career – a great baserunner, and with some defensive highlights of his own. Trout’s never quite been the defensive star at his position that Betts is, in part because he’s never had Betts’s throwing ability (and throwing leads to a lot of OF highlight plays), but it’s really just this year that he’s looked out of place defensively.
The circumstances have allowed Betts to display the diversity of his skillset in a way most players couldn’t given the same circumstances. That’s fun to watch and valuable, and an example of how many things that are not very valuable over a long baseball season can be much more impactful in single playoff moments. We’ve long recognized this about stolen bases, for instance – that their long-term value play is pretty poor, but their tactical/leverage value can be enormous. This same principle applies to outstanding defensive plays and other forms of baserunning.
Can you believe a Major League Baseball team had this guy and decided they didn’t want him anymore? An owner actually said that, to relieve years of mismanaged spending, that trading their best homegrown player in 50 years was the only answer?
I know the Red Sox have seen a lot of success since 2004, but that organization can’t stick to a plan. Theo got control (at first), Cherington didn’t get any, Dombrowski got too much, and Bloom is TBD. It’s always a different philosophy. Spend nothing, spend a lot, spend a little. Year-to-year results fluctuate wildly and the plan always changes. It’s always been a Mets-esque circus that Player Development has been successful in offsetting.
I’ll never get it.
I mean, they got their MVP and WS our of him at a really good price, so if they were ever on the fence, it may have made not paying that extra $50-100m easier.
I also don’t understand how you can see Betts clearly becoming one of the top players your team has ever had on it and opt against keeping him. Surely the good will and marketability that Betts would have brought with him by remaining a Boston guy his whole career would have paid dividends and shown a hell of a lot of ROI.
I’m a Mets fan and have only really seen that home grown transcendent kind of talent twice in my fandom: David Wright and Jacob deGrom and both times the Mets kept them signed to long term deals. I just can’t imagine letting them get away especially in a market like Boston.
I agree with this sentiment, although I think Roger Clemens and Wade Boggs are pretty good.
Still: The owner who greenlit deals for JD Martinez and Chris Sale and Nathan Eovaldi and David Price and oh shoot, look, now we have to trade our best homegrown player since the 80s? It makes no sense. We’re talking about a guy whose performance in his 20s actually is in the same league as Yaz and Tim Raines and Frank Robinson (and McCutchen too, as long as we’re being honest about the downside) and you’re talking about the price getting too rich? How frequently do you think you wind up guys like that on your team?
I think the die was probably cast long before Bloom was brought in, but I wouldn’t be surprised if part of the reason why they brought in Bloom was because they were aligned on this issue. Bloom comes from an organization that doesn’t really believe in consolidating; it’s all about flipping assets and having no weaknesses, and that must have been appealing because it’s more cost-effective.
But then back on yet another hand, so did Andrew Friedman, and he traded for Betts and signed him to that extension. There are likely no more than 2-4 prospects in the minors right now who are going to be as good as Mookie Betts, so how confident are you that you can get one?
Unless a clone of Willie Mays is presently in the minors we are not going to see a player as good as Mookie Betts.
In case you’re wondering, here are the best position players between 22 and 27 from 1946 to the present.
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2020&month=0&season1=1946&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=22,27&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=
All fourteen of those players ahead of Betts on the list are either in the Hall of Fame or Barry Bonds, who is being kept out of the hall over something that happened well after this time period.
Mays, shockingly, does NOT top that list. That’s because in his late 20s and early 30s he reached a level of consistency that almost no one has ever reached, putting up something like 6 consecutive 10-fWAR seasons.
I don’t think it’s likely Betts does that for a number of reasons. It’s a little tricky finding a comparison for Betts because the baserunning metric only includes non-steal baserunning in 2002 and afterwards. Clearly, Rickey Henderson is not a good comparison for that reason (and probably my choice of Tim Raines isn’t either). Barry Bonds plus about five inches (and all of the extra physical freakiness that comes with those extra five inches) is about right.
I don’t think Betts is going to finish his career as an inner-circle, 110 WAR kind of player, but I do think the odds he reaches the HOF thresholds for RF (like 70-75ish war) are quite high, and consequently his odds of induction are extremely high.
And this entire thread is dumb, because we’ve already been watching a player better than Betts – a player who is legitimately comparable to Willie Mays – for years in Mike Trout.
From a player profile perspective, Betts is probably most similar to Rickey even though he capitalizes on that value differently. Rickey’s era encouraged stolen bases and did not encourage home runs. Betts is an outstanding baserunner and runs very high SB success rates – I don’t doubt that if you had put him in an era where the stolen base was emphasized, he’d have a lot more of them, just like a modern incarnation of Rickey would have a lot less of them, because no team would encourage him to run that frequently. Similarly, Rickey’s power would be more rewarded and emphasized in the modern era, and he’d probably hit more HR because of it.
It’s true that they vary a bit statistically, but I think in terms of actual player skill profile, they’re pretty similar, with Rickey having an advantage on the OBP front (he’s the unintentional walk king, being only 400 or so BB behind Bonds but having 600 less IBB in his career), and Betts having an edge defensively (Rickey was mostly a LF, whereas Betts is widely acknowledged as a transcendent RF).
Willie spent most of his 21 year old season and all of his 22 year old season in the Armed Forces.
Different positions, but I’ve long thought Carlos Beltran is a fair stand-in – .280+ average, 20+ HR, 70+ RBI, 80-100 RS, 25+ SB, stellar defense, good eye and plate discipline. Their strengths are different from each other, but that’s about a floor-average season.
Thats not a bad comp but as good as Beltran was in his prime I think that Betts is rather better at those ‘secondary’ skills (the bases, the defense, etc), at least relative to his peers. Beltran was good at those things, but Betts is one of if not the best in the league at a lot of them.
The Red Sox DEFINITELY wanted Betts. Just not at the price it would take to retain him. It’s unfortunate Dombrowski backed the team into a position where they somewhat reasonably felt that they could not reasonably afford him, but it’s not like the Sox did not want him.
And it is okay to change strategy/philosophy/plans over time. Frankly, the only BIG problem the Sox have had in the past 15-20 years is the seeming inability to develop young pitching.
The Red Sox clearly care about the aging curve of their team far more than just about anything else, and didn’t think they’d be competitive in a window that justified keeping Betts. There’s no trophy awarded for paying a generational talent to drag a bad team around.
Please don’t make excuses for John Henry. Dave Dombrowski did what Dave Dombrowski has done for decades. John Henry signed off on all of it. And they could’ve afforded it, easily. That’s the reality of the situation. There’s not a single excuse for that ownership group.
Fans don’t need to worry at all about the money. It’s part of why I dislike how public that part of the game is. You, in the comments section of a baseball site, needn’t worry about how billionaires spend. Finances are none of our concern. The priority should be building the best team you can because they can more than afford it.
In terms of philosophy change – it’s normal, but not at their rate of frequency. It’s a completely different tune almost every two years. Generally speaking, the league’s better teams are much more consistent with their approach.
What do you mean by “more than afford it?”
I’m only being a little bit snarky. Who and what pays for this, and how?
The fans pay for it. You’ve never had a $12 beer at Fenway?
I asked the team, Dan and Ben, during the Game 1 chat if Mookie had surpassed Mike Trout as the best player in the game. They both seemed to couch their answers, both still had Trout, in a way that said the difference was narrowing. Ben thought it was time for Trout, who has slipped noticeably in CF, to go to a corner. I admit to being spoiled but I watched 6 years of getting great secondary leads, going from 1st to 3rd on a single to left in Fenway and playing the toughest RF in baseball like Itzaak Perlman playing on his Stradivarius. It isn’t that he was better at base-running and defense, it was that he was so much better.
This is what an all-time great looks like at this stage in his career. But then, let us recall Dale Murphy, Don Mattingly, and Nomar Garciaparra; things can go south rather suddenly in the early 30s.
John Henry gets way, way, waaayyyy more bang for his marginal buck from his soccer team (which is run at break even for contracts and acquisitions) than his baseball team.