NL Wild Card Live Chat
7:49 |
: Hello. The chat will begin in earnest momentarily. Dan Szymborski will be here. Maybe Craig Edwards. Possibly other writers. Also possibly not them.
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7:49 |
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7:50 |
Are you “stoked” about tonight’s Wild Card Game?
Yes, obviously. (34.7% | 59 votes)
No, I am dead inside. (11.7% | 20 votes)
I’m dead inside, but I’m still stoked. (53.5% | 91 votes)
Total Votes: 170
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7:57 |
: What are the drinking game rules for today?
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7:58 |
: Drink anytime you want but also employ reason while doing so.
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7:58 |
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7:59 |
: The wild card format as it stands is perfect. Starting on Opening Day everyone is 0-0, tied for the Division lead. Every team’s first goal should be to win their division. There needs to be a legitimate reward that only goes to the division champions — not just hats and tees. With three divisions and two wild cards, the current system elegantly both bestows that reward and taxes the runners up.
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7:59 |
: Which team do you think feels more pressure to win tonight? I feel strong arguments for both teams exist.
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8:00 |
: PLAYOFF TIME
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8:01 |
: ALL THE CHAFF HAS BEEN DISPOSED OF. ALL WHEAT, TIME TO MAKE SOME BREAD OR I GUESS SOY SAUCE IF WE HAVE SOYBEANS TOO
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8:01 |
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8:01 |
: My sense, and I’m quite possibly wrong, is that major leaguers are constantly pressing to be the best possible version of themselves. I’m not sure to what degree the outside forces affect them.
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8:02 |
: You gotta pace yourself, be an average version of yourself sometimes
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8:03 |
: Dan, are you performing your nerdly duty and watching the Statcast Edition of this game?
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8:04 |
: I’m 1 minute into the ESPN2 broadcast, and I already love it
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8:04 |
: How is Ian Desmond playing in a postseason game?
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8:05 |
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8:05 |
: Gotta support Mikhail Petrovich or whatever his name is
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8:05 |
: Dan, what will Khris Davis projected batting average be next year? Can you dare part with one nugget of information?
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8:05 |
: I hoard my nuggets!
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8:05 |
: Well FG finally gets its wish Liam Hendricks starting a bullpen wildcard game with one starter joining 10 relievers as presumably the long man in case of extras!
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8:05 |
: The Rockies have been (strangely? commendably) loyal to their veteran starters this year. Desmond, Parra, Gonzalez: they’ve been among the league’s worst. The team also tied the Dodgers.
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8:06 |
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8:06 |
: I’m watching via MLB TV and they don’t have the ESPN 2 broadcast 🙁
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8:06 |
: Loyal is the nicest way to put it
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8:06 |
: If anyone’s interested, YouTube TV has a free seven-day trial. ESPN2 is available there.
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8:07 |
: Re: statcast broadcast, for a moment I thought Eduardo Perez was about to break out live stats on Jon Lester’s heart rate. That could have really raised the stakes here.
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8:07 |
: The lack of Statcast broadcast on MLBtv is truly vexing
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8:07 |
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8:08 |
: I’m also watching baseball.
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8:09 |
: Loyalty to Parra, Gonzalez and Desmond cost the Rockies the division — let’s see if they get away with it by winning tonight
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8:09 |
: God help the Rockies, I think they actually think those players are good.
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8:09 |
: Where did I stash that image I always use?
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8:10 |
: Playstation Vue refuses to play ESPN/ESPN2 in anything other than SD 🙁
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8:10 |
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8:10 |
: That pro-celebration pump up video MLB put out earlier today has me so goddamn excited
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8:10 |
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8:11 |
: What would Emil Cioran say about Wild Card games?
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8:11 |
: Can it really begin in earnest if Dan is headlining?
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8:11 |
: I am earnest. I once heard about the importance of being so.
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8:11 |
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8:11 |
: That they distort our concept of the “wild,” Morty.
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8:11 |
: Its still a bit shocking Colorado did not trade for someone like Smoak at the deadline.
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8:11 |
: I am not shocked.
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8:11 | : Craig Edwards wrote a good piece about Lester earlier today: |
8:12 |
: Relevant plug!
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8:12 |
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8:12 |
: Or, I *think* that’s what he concluded.
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8:13 |
: Mike Petriello seems to at once be a gifted orator and a definite robot, and my senses don’t quite know how to process this fact
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8:13 |
: Lester’s just going to spend the whole game giving up baserunners and stranding them I bet
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8:14 |
: Petriello is giving me the precise information I’d like to have but which I lack the energy to find.
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8:14 |
: Inject this broadcast directly into my veins
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8:14 |
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8:15 |
: bad idea to bunt here?
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8:15 |
: I don’t think he was actually trying to bunt.
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8:15 |
: Surprised he just took 3-1, though.
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8:16 |
: But he also makes a lot of contact.
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8:16 |
: Um, like that.
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8:16 |
: He hit the shit out of that.
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8:16 |
: 113 mph.
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8:16 |
: Lester going to the middle of zone isn’t a great sign. He’s gone more inside to righties of late, but needs to get more inside.
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8:17 |
: It appears the fix is in.
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8:18 |
: that pitch to Arenado was a better example of getting far enough in so he couldn’t do damage.
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8:18 |
: LeMahieu didn’t hit a ball above 110 mph this year.
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8:18 |
: Ian Desmond has a 43% hard hit rate! If only those weren’t all straight into the ground.
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8:18 |
: All teams should have a carnivorous plant that eats baseballs on the field somewhere.
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8:18 |
: Both Lester and Freeland would be happy if that strike one to Story keeps getting called.
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8:19 |
: Fenway would look great with that kite-eating tree from Peanuts.
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8:20 |
: Not sure that was actually a cambio by Lester to Story, but I guess it had a changeup effect?
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8:21 |
: Nice rebound for Lester. His performance *already* on slow stuff is way better than fastballs.
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8:21 |
: Pretty good job by Lester to only give up 1 run that inning I’d say
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8:22 |
: Talk about settling back down…
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8:22 |
: why is kyle freeland good? i dont understand, where is the smoking gun in his stats?
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8:22 |
: He’s limited hard contact. He’s up with Kyle Hendricks and those.
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8:23 |
: I mean, getting Story to strike out on what should’ve been a 2-0 count helped. (Partisanship.)
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8:23 |
: Getting two balls called strikes helped…..
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8:23 |
: Easier to settle down when the ump turns a 2-0 count into an 0-2 count.
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8:24 |
: Petriello et al are doing a good job of illustrating how hard-hit rate doesn’t correlate perfectly with run-scoring!
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8:24 |
: I’m imagining Petriello in front of six monitors spitting out raw statcast data that he reads like the Matrix
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8:25 |
: Freeland spotting pitches well in first at-bat here.
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8:25 |
: Freeland has a fourseamer that induces ground balls, which is really helpful. Batters don’t whiff on it, but they miss by just enough.
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8:26 |
: Except for the fifth pitch of the at-bat, I mean.
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8:26 |
: he lives in Colorado!!!!
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8:26 |
: The MLB video was great and it also will let M’s fans see their team’s cap on TV in October
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8:26 |
: The ground ball generating four seamer was a Kershaw phenomenon thing for years
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8:26 |
: Mike Petriello has nothing on Dave Cameron when it comes to being a robot/blinking.
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8:26 |
: I don’t know how but I keep forgetting about Zobrist
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8:26 |
: Hey, Zobrist had a year
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8:26 |
: I like slow-motions of pitchers avoiding hard grounders because it always looks like they’re testing out some funky dance move.
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8:27 |
: if they’re carnivorous, wouldn’t the fielders have difficulties?
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8:27 |
: Do I have to turn in my stat-nerd card for watching the main ESPN broadcast? (I like Vasgersian, Mendoza, and A-Rod, okay!!)
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8:27 |
: Yes
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8:27 |
: Grade my NLWC dinner: lasagna, chips and dip, and cream of wheat
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8:27 |
: If that 95 mph is real, it’s about as hard as Freeland has thrown all year.
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8:28 |
: Should Bryant be hitting 2nd given his struggles?
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8:28 |
: Howdy, are you in a weird, nice prison?
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8:28 |
: He’s Kris Bryant and just hit a homer in the last series.
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8:29 |
: If my own mind counts, then yeah
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8:29 |
: This life is a prison to many
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8:30 |
: Not sure the Freeland K to Bryant was located *super* well. Not as in or high as you’d like, I’d guess.
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8:31 |
: that looked like the wind really caught that one
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8:31 |
: RIP ZOBRIST
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8:31 |
: Picked!!!!!!
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8:31 |
: That was an incredible move.
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8:31 |
: WOW what a MOVE
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8:32 |
: Very very safe
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8:32 |
: Boy’s safe though
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8:32 |
: I… think he’s safe
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8:32 |
: Looked safe to me
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8:32 |
: Verdict: good move, but Zobrist probably safe.
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8:32 |
: Safe but holy moly that move
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8:32 |
: It’s mean to do that when Jon Lester is the other pitcher.
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8:32 |
: Zobrist should refuse to leave no matter what. It’s not like they’ll get security.
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8:32 |
: Passive resistance baseball!
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8:32 |
: Guile Freeland
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8:32 |
: in the last two years, Zobrist has been picked off 3 times with ust five steals.
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8:33 |
: Matt Holliday was on the 2007 Rockies playoff team. Who on the 2018 Rockies will be on their 2029 playoff team?
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8:33 |
: Matt Holliday.
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8:33 |
: “Guile Freeland” has my full-throated endorsement.
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8:33 |
: Zobrist might be safe but *I* certainly feel picked off.
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8:34 |
: If the Cubs get eliminated here, the Dodgers have by far the highest chance of a WS title, right? I would sure like them to be eliminated as well.
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8:34 |
: Yes, but only because the AL clubs are so competitive. The AL team will likely be the favored one.
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8:34 |
: I think.
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8:34 |
: Without looking at the numbers.
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8:34 |
: Nevermind, I’m probably wrong.
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8:34 |
: Why did anyone ever think Desmond should play first base? Wasn’t he an average hitter at best for a shortstop?
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8:35 |
: maybe from the nl
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8:35 |
: Astros hello?
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8:35 |
: He was good in 2012-2013. Would’ve been a slightly above average 1st baseman, then.
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8:35 |
: Dodgers are heavy underdogs to Astros, light to red Sox, slightly favored vs NY and cle, favored vs oak I believe
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8:35 |
: Thanks, Mike, for actually looking it up.
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8:36 |
: I look every day because it makes me happy
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8:37 |
: There is something perverse about the nerd broadcast showing me a ticker with the AL leaders in RBIs.
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8:37 |
: It’s actually a psych experiment constructed by Stanley Milgram.
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8:38 |
: Welp, that looked like a very 2016 Baez at bat there….
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8:38 |
: Javy’s never going to be Captain Science.
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8:38 |
: I think a lot of the 2018 at-bats have looked like the 2016 ones… right up to the part where Baez hits an opposite-field homer.
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8:38 |
: Did Freeland just throw an 88 mph change?
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8:38 |
: He’s not going to be Javy Votto.,
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8:39 |
: Yeah, Craig, I don’t know. Ball just went straight into the ground.
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8:39 |
: Random stat of the night: Yoán Moncada had 217 Ks in 650 PA this season. Nellie Fox had 216 Ks in 10,351 PA over NINETEEN seasons–his entire career!
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8:39 |
: There’s no way Cubs fans actually enjoy watching Baez hit, right?
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8:39 |
: And now he’s dead.
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8:39 |
: 74% of the time, he does not strike out, and yes, they definitely enjoy it.
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8:40 |
: javy votto hah good one dan
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8:40 |
: Javy Votto would be an unbelievably great player.
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8:40 |
: And various Brennamans would still complain about the lack of RBIs
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8:40 |
: What was the game time temperature does anyone know?
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8:41 |
: Mid 60s?
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8:41 |
: The Nerd Broadcast posted Charlie Blackmon having .8 bWAR, but FG has him at 2.8? I know you guys use difference defensive metrics, but is that one of the big splits out there between the two, what is the largest you guys have ever seen between the two calculations?
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8:41 |
: oh shit!
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8:41 |
: Albert Almora good
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8:41 |
: I thought that was gone
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8:41 |
: Gameday called it a slider
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8:41 |
: It’s certainly among the larger ones. One of the nice things about projections is that the defense gets smoothed out a bit!
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8:41 |
: If this were a SyFy movie, then the ivy would have eaten Almora.
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8:41 |
: Dahls to the wall
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8:41 |
: 61 per the Boxscore on MLB.com Skyline
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8:42 |
: I know he’s not bad, Craig, but watching someone who chases that much has to be maddening.
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8:42 |
: Go by the Earl Weaver philosophy. Focus on what a player does well rather than what he can’t.
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8:42 |
: Carson, is Charlie Blackmon the best ever fringe five alum?
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8:43 |
: Another interesting development with Lester is that he is much more of a Fly ball pitcher than he used to be due to abandoning the sinker.
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8:43 |
: Actually, he predates the Fringe Five. Mookie Betts and Jose Ramirez appeared among the top five in the first season, though. Obviously I didn’t anticipate what they’d really become.
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8:43 |
: Surely Kluber must still be the best Fringe Five alum.
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8:43 |
: Kluber predates it, as well!
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8:43 |
: Until future MVP Max Schrock debuts.
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8:43 |
: Right. Naturally.
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8:44 |
: Kluber and Mookie were FF guys, right? they’d be above Blackmon
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8:44 |
: Carson does not anticipate anything actually occuring.
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8:44 |
: Also true. All is darkness.
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8:44 |
: Carson’s optioned Fringe Five to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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8:44 |
: Have to follow this game through MLB Gameday and this chat because my streaming service doesn’t include ESPN. Jokes on you now MLB you are getting my eyeballs for ad revenue.
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8:44 |
: Don’t I remember you being obsessed with his minor league numbers though?
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8:46 |
: Yes — and, perhaps wrongly, an AFL season. But he seemed to have a great foundation of skills. Lot of ways he could be non-elite and still quite good.
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8:46 |
: Listening to baseball on radio, the way it is meant to be experienced!
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8:46 |
: I am watching on my parents log in because they’re adults
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8:47 |
: shellacked
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8:47 |
: Over 100 mph for Almora.
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8:48 |
: As a fellow left handed person named Kyle, I feel as though I’m living and dying with each pitch by Freeland. I’ll let you know in a couple hours if this was healthy or not.
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8:48 |
: Look at that first baseman move!
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8:48 |
: Was that on Freeland for not getting to first?
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8:48 |
: Freeland needed to get over just a hair quicker, I think.
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8:49 |
: Hm. Yeah. Was probably late. Should probably beat Murphy.
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8:49 |
: Is everyone outside Chicago rooting for the Rockies. A Rockies-A’s World Series would be insane.
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8:49 |
: MLB and tv executives would not be fans.
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8:50 |
: These postseason patches are disgustingly horrible looking.
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8:50 |
: How many more over 3 WAR years will zobrist have, and is it at all related to the size and constitution of his beard?
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8:50 |
: “I agree with k-zone all the time. It’s a safe place to be.” lol
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8:51 |
: Charlie Blackmon!
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8:51 |
: That ball just seemed to float at the end.
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8:51 |
: The seem to be hitting Freeland pretty damn hard
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8:51 |
: The hell happened to Willson this year?
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8:51 |
: As a black man not named Charlie, I am elated by that defensive play. I may have run out of loose connections to Rockies players.
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8:51 |
: Why have Rockies outperformed projections so much yhe
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8:52 |
: I dont’ think they’ve outperformed *that* much. They’ve overperformed, but we’re not taking A’s overperformance
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8:52 |
: They could be ab etter team, but they also squander opportunities
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8:52 |
: He was still decent, but big dropoff in second half could be related to his first mostly full season a year ago, plus a full load this year. Catching takes a toll.
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8:53 |
: Are those ump stats they keep citing available on the interweb somewhere
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8:53 |
: Is Blister in the Sun the most commonly played musical riff from a song about masturbation heard in baseball parks?
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8:53 |
: Hey, Dan and Craig and everyone, I have to make dinner for my wife, who’s working late. Because I’m a #hero. Will return, though.
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8:53 | : Not sure, but I was looking at this piece today on ump zones. |
8:54 | : We also published a piece on how different umps’ zones differ at THT earlier this year that is interesting. |
8:55 |
: thanks Meg!
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8:55 |
: Also hi all, I’m going to tag in for a little bit while Carson attends to his responsibilities!
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8:55 |
: A wild Meg appears!
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8:55 |
: It me, a wild Meg.
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8:56 |
: This Nerdcast has been very good so far imo.
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8:57 |
: “The heart rate is real” uh, I sure hope so
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8:57 |
: Would explain some of the command issues if he were actually a ghost, though.
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8:58 |
: Do we have anybody watching the ARod/Jess broadcast? I like them, but can’t pass on the nerdcast
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8:58 |
: I listen to Jason Benetti on White Sox boradcasts regularly so this doesn’t feel like some weird nerdcast to me, which is probably a really good way to do this.
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8:59 |
: Jason Benetti is great
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9:01 |
: Think they are striking a really nice balance of personalities and styles here. Good, good stuff.
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9:01 |
: I’m not the world’s best lip reader, but it seemed real clear what Lester said just there.
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9:02 |
: As the world’s best lip-reader, I can say with certainty that he said, let’s go get some flapjacks after the game.
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9:02 |
: That was a really good pitch from Lester.
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9:03 |
: Too many people picked the Cubs based on reputation. They aren’t that good this year.
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9:03 |
: They won a lot of games, like almost more than anybody in the NL. They are a good team.
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9:04 |
: They won 95; their BaseRuns record is 94. Rickety bits for sure but they’re a good team.
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9:06 |
: I feel like most folks have gotten used to the strike zone box. Is there anyone else who still wants to fire it directly into the sun?
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9:06 |
: I like it, though there are a lot of people who don’t like it.
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9:07 |
: why don’t people like it?
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9:07 |
: It can be sometimes not accurate and it also takes up a lot of the screen.
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9:07 |
: It not being perfectly precise also inspires a lot of complaining.
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9:07 |
: I prefer when it’s down in the bottom corner of the screen
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9:08 |
: I am surprised the Cubs have fallen this far. A few years ago they looked like a dynasty and here they are in a Wild Card game. That’s not what anyone expected hence the “not a good team” feelings.
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9:08 |
: This is what they do on a lot of broadcasts, and It is better imo, though it means not having tracking for every pitch sometimes.
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9:08 |
: I think expectations are a bit out of whack. Look at the Nationals. They have had teams as talented as the Cubs in multiple recent seasons and not even made the playoffs.
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9:10 |
: I think when your favorite team has disappointed you and your parents and your grandparents, it is hard to overcome the muscle memory of cynicism, too.
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9:10 |
: What does the Cubs pitching look like in a year or two? Especially if/when Lester declines.
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9:11 |
: They have Quintana and Hendricks through 2020. I don’t think anybody reasonably thought Lester was going to keep things going at the same level too much longer. If Darvish doesn’t get things back, they are going to have to go out and buy another pitcher.
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9:13 |
: How much will the Darvish signing haunt the Cubs?
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9:14 |
: unrelated: I get what they are going for, but nothing looks dorkier than the MLB Network dudes doing baseball stuff in slacks and a dress shirt.
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9:14 |
: It won’t. They will be fine. He will tie up a good bit of money, but Cubs revenues are huge and will continue to grow. They could increase payroll by like 50% and be fine.
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9:15 |
: how much better would freeand have had to do to be considered for the cy young?
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9:15 |
: Isn’t Corbin a FA this year? – could be a good pick up 4 Cubs
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9:15 |
: Corbin, Keuchel, and Kershaw.
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9:16 |
: Matt Holliday muscles one. Still has that same swing.
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9:16 |
: Why I’m not a broadcaster #58: If I’m interviewing Black on national TV, I demand to know if he actually thinks Ian Desmond is good at baseball.
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9:16 |
: I am going to answer this question in a way that let’s us think about how good deGrom was: if his season was twice as good, it would still be technically less good than deGrom’s.
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9:17 |
: Now I am envisioning two Kyle Freeland’s, with one standing on the other’s shoulders, in a trench coat.
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9:17 |
: With Freeland’s relative lack of strikeouts, I think he would have had to halve his walk rate.
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9:18 |
: isn’t it a little weird to interview the manager during a playoff game?
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9:18 |
: It isn’t my favorite thing. We wait all season to watch this baseball. Let us watch this baseball.
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9:20 |
: Robo umps now
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9:20 |
: Tech isn’t there now!
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9:21 |
: Does a pitcher have more control of his hard-hit rate or his groundball rate?
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9:21 |
: ground ball
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9:21 |
: I don’t know bout that call, chief
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9:22 |
: stop calling me chief
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9:22 |
: October beards in baseball? or just a hockey thing
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9:22 |
: I am generally pro beards, and while it is definitely a hockey thing, it does happen in baseball quite a bit.
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9:22 |
: Ah fair enough. Do you think we could automate some
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9:23 |
: Not sure how that would work, exactly.
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9:23 |
: The broadcasters just said Matt Holliday was sick for a long time because of mercury poisoning, but now I can’t find anything about it. Is this true?
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9:23 |
: Once you cross that line, you can’t reintroduce judgment sometimes.
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9:23 |
: I thought it was mono, but maybe he was just really bored.
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9:24 |
: Why do high strike out pitchers seem to generally give up a higher hard-hit rate than non-strike out pitchers? Is it just natural selection through the minors?
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9:25 |
: How do u even get mercury poisoning these days anyway???
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9:25 |
: Not positive, but high strikeout pitchers tend to throw more fastballs up in the zone and more offspeed pitches. High fastballs and hanging breaking pitches get hit pretty hard.
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9:25 |
: snap a thermometer in half, drink it, boom mercury poisoning
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9:26 |
: Almost all thermometers now don’t contain mercury.
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9:26 |
: Would the ‘bullpen game’ trend have worked in other eras of baseball?
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9:26 |
: Wait, WHAT?
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9:27 |
: was Jacob DeGrom the best SP in all of MLB this year?
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9:27 |
: Yes.
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9:27 |
: U think Addison Russell would be on the field if he was actually a good player?
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9:28 |
: I don’t think bullpen games would have worked as well previously because we’ve had a ton of expansion for decades that has slowed meanwhile the game has more areas in the world to go get talent. In eras when the talent was more diluted there weren’t enough pitchers to do credibly do bullpen games.
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9:28 |
: Maybe the moth put the mercury in his ear.
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9:28 |
: The administrative leave is MLB determined I’m pretttty sure, so that makes it less likely.
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9:28 |
: Any clue what’s going on with Bryant? Or is the shoulder 100% to blame
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9:28 |
: yes, just dealing with injuries, I think.
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9:29 |
: How does Molly take the blame for the Twin’s mess?
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9:29 |
: He wasn’t hired by the current GM so this was perhaps inevitable if things went south for the team.
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9:30 |
: Kyle Freeland is pitching really well
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9:30 |
: Yes, the short rest seems to be going pretty well so far.
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9:30 |
: Any chance the Rockies retain Arenado after next year or is he just going to be too expensive?
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9:31 |
: They have shown they are willing to spend money! They have not proven that they always do so wisely!
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9:31 |
: I am skeptical, especially given their other payroll obligations.
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9:32 |
: Freeland with 50 pitches thru 4 IP. Over/under 2.0 times through the lineup for him?
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9:32 |
: Over.
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9:33 |
: How many more outs do you give Freeland if he continues like this?
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9:33 |
: all of them.
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9:33 |
: or maybe through 7.
|
9:33 |
: Who will be the Patrick Mahomes over baseball in 2019?
|
9:33 |
: Pat Venditte
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9:34 |
: Am I crazy for liking Alex Rodriguez do this baseball commentator thing?
|
9:34 |
: Between the Cubs and Rockies, who has more to lose this game? Is it the Cubs under the big media market pressure, or the Rockies because they might get bumped in the WC game again?
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9:34 |
: I think Rockies do.
|
9:34 |
: I agree with Dan.
|
9:34 |
: Though the expectations for them were lower, I agree.
|
9:34 |
: They’re running out of time with Arenado and they have a real confusing disinterest in addressing difficult decisions with their team.
|
9:35 |
: They essentially need two MVPs a year in the lineup to get the lineupa round league-average. That’s hard to sustain.
|
9:35 |
: Easy to fix, annoyingly unaddressed.
|
9:35 |
: Cubs definitely they are not getting any younger
|
9:35 |
: None of us are.
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9:36 |
: Says you. I’m hoping to get back into my thirties in 2019.
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9:37 |
: Freeland has not faced 30 batters in a game all season. Last 3 starts…28, 29, 29. Coincidence or is that perhaps an actual limit the Rockies use on him?
|
9:38 |
: He also pitches in a home park where you get fatigued more quickly. But somewhere around there is probably the limit, yes.
|
9:38 |
: The funny thing about the Rockies is that everyone hates the moves they make but somehow they’ve been top-5 in the league two years in a row. (And I’m not a Rockies fan.)
|
9:38 |
: The Rockies play half their games in Coors, and had a team wRC+ of 87 this year.
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9:39 |
: Another question. When we look back in 3 years at this rotation who will we say was the best starter of the Rockies’ bunch? Gray, Freeland, Marquez, someone else?
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9:39 |
: And that’s an 87 with *two* legitimate MVP candidates in the lineup.
|
9:39 |
: I’d lean Marquez right now, but Gray is close.
|
9:39 |
: That’s like running a 12 minute mile when you’re allowed to DRIVE A CAR HALF THE WAY
|
9:39 |
: Coors penalizes wRC+ overly harshly
|
9:39 |
: I think it penalizes it the right amount.
|
9:39 |
: That effect is exaggerated – the Coors hangover theory is wortha few points
|
9:40 |
: Not enough to make them remotely good.
|
9:40 |
: As a weird bit of roster construction, I don’t dislike them being led by pitching because that is weird, and I like weird stuff. But this is… not good.
|
9:40 |
: We’re talking that *maybe* 80 wRC+ were truly, say, 83-84 guys. It doesn’t make Desmond or Parra or Cargo or Wolters etc. etc. good.
|
9:40 |
: Does ESPN have their own WAR metric? Some of these are crazy.
|
9:40 |
: They use BR, I believe.
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9:41 |
: I don’t believe so. I’m guessing they use baseball reference, which uses DRS, which has a wider range for players that will lead to some big swings.
|
9:41 |
: Any idea why they use BR instead of Fangraphs?
|
9:41 |
: They dislike me personally. I have apologized to my coworkers.
|
9:41 |
: (no, I don’t know)
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9:42 |
: David Bote with the David Bowie walk-up music. Can’t argue with that.
|
9:42 |
: I’m partial to Ziggy Stardust myself.
|
9:42 |
: I assume they use BBRef because Fangraphs WAR for pitchers is FIP based, which means it projects for the future rather than being a representation of the previous year’s results, which I think appeals to the ESPN audience more.
|
9:43 |
: FIP is results based, using homers, strikeouts, walks, infield flies and innings pitched. It just also happens to be more forward looking than ERA.
|
9:44 |
: The pause in Freelands delivery is so aesthetically pleasing. Up there in my favorite wind ups
|
9:44 |
: Seems like Freeland is locating much better than in the first two innings.
|
9:44 |
: He might have been overthrowing a bit.
|
9:46 |
: Could very well be, he was hitting the most 95 MPH I’ve ever seen him unless the gun wa sjuiced
|
9:46 |
: FIP doesn’t “project for the future,” it’s a measure of pitcher performance instead of team performance. Being a more precise measure, it understandably correlates better with the future, but its function is to measure performance, not project.
|
9:46 |
: BR pitcher WAR also does weird things for pitchers to adjust for team defense right? I think Nola’s is super high (like nearly tied with deGrom) because the Phillies had such a terrible defense and yet his ERA still beat his FIP by quite a lot.
|
9:47 |
: Unless I’m remembering wrong, I think Freeland was able to push it to mid-90s when he wanted to as a prospect and the Rockies dialed it down after he had shoulder fatigue
|
9:48 |
: And I totally appreciate Mahomes, who had just the right amount of performance so that I won both of my fantasy games!
|
9:48 |
: there are different ways to account for defense including not factoring it in at all or trying to account for it after the fact. DIfferent WAR measures different things. It’s up to the reader to decide what’s important in analyzing the numbers.
|
9:48 |
: One or three touchdowns, I would have lost!
|
9:48 |
: Gotta be Lester’s last inning, right?
|
9:48 |
: Thinking ahead to the Brewers, Eric Thames kinda disappeared didn’t he?
|
9:48 |
: Cue that drinking video
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9:49 | : |
9:49 |
: Lester is up next so have to think their is a pinch hitter.
|
9:49 |
: when should cubs fans start worrying?
|
9:49 |
: You’re alive so when you wake up?
|
9:49 |
: May
|
9:50 |
: It’s still just one run.
|
9:50 |
: They didn’t have a 12 pack of old style so I got a 24 pack. I was really hoping to drink it over next couple of (cubs) games. Now I might finish the rest of the cubs lose tonight
|
9:50 |
: Arod just said Lemahieu is good at “Hitting behind runners”? What are the odds this is even remotely close to being a skill that someone could possess?
|
9:51 |
: If you are talking about going the other way, yes hitters can possess that skill. It usually just isn’t more useful than hitting the ball hard if you can pull it.
|
9:51 |
: Definitely last inning for Lester
|
9:51 |
: Lemahieu actually is good at that. Dude hits an amazing number of oppo ground balls
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9:52 |
: But is that an ability or just a residue of hitting a lot of oppo ground balls?
|
9:52 |
: Does he hit more with a runner on 1st?
|
9:52 |
: I actually don’t know, I’m not being Socratic.
|
9:52 |
: Cat update Dan?
|
9:52 |
: Pull Holliday after this AB?
|
9:53 |
: good question. His spot will come up again, but they have a lead.
|
9:53 |
: Who died and made Szymborski in charge of ethics?
|
9:53 |
: Mercutio’s hiding because I have the game loud, Galileo’s sleeping on living room couch, Cassiopeia is sleeping on my couch (she has a sore throat and is on antibiotics, so she’s not super active right now)
|
9:53 |
: Plato
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9:53 |
: Boom.
|
9:53 |
: Dan, Lester is going to pitch all night. Can’t even think of taking such a competitive gamer out of this game.
|
9:54 |
: Cubs aren’t that sentimental
|
9:54 |
: If Lester were a Met, he’d pitch all nine, I’m sure.
|
9:54 |
: If Lester were a Met, he’d be drinking a beer on a beach.
|
9:54 |
: Big Out.
|
9:54 |
: Of course, if Lester were a Met, he’d tear a rotator cuff and the Mets would diagnose it as strep throat and have him pitch through it
|
9:54 |
: How do you know when your cat has a sore throat?
|
9:55 |
: The vet looked at it and said it was red. She was doing like these little half-gags every once in a while
|
9:55 |
: False. If Lester were a Met, he’d contract the plague
|
9:55 |
: Strep throat is actually pretty serious, Dan.
|
9:55 |
: Actually, my mom got scarlet fever from it as a kid
|
9:55 |
: I just hated those damn throat cultures.
|
9:55 |
: Dan update, cats?
|
9:56 |
: I’m eating spaghetti.
|
9:56 |
: Get well soon, Cassiopeia!
|
9:56 |
: I’m not used to cat updates where Galileo isn’t asking for food
|
9:56 |
: I’d love to see an article about this broadcast. How it came about, the content, the ratings. How much did it cost ESPN to make it, how did it market it? I only found out from the Effectively Wild podcast. Are most people watching it just on ESPN2 by accident? I have so may questions.
|
9:56 |
: Dan update, spaghetti?
|
9:57 |
: The spaghetti is being consumed and not in a position to communicate.
|
9:57 |
: Can I be the NL MVP next season?
|
9:57 |
: I don’t think it works that way.
|
9:57 |
: I used to get strep throat every year as a teenager. It sucks
|
9:57 |
: I used to talk my doctor into not giving me throat cultures. I frigging HATE those.
|
9:57 |
: If the spaghetti starts communicating, let us know so I can flee the city
|
9:57 |
: Why won’t somebody stop him?
|
9:58 |
: OK, back to baseball, this isn’t my weirdo weekly chat!
|
9:58 |
: Am I crazy for hating ARod in the announcer booth? Seriously, I think he’s terrible.
|
9:58 |
: Luckily, Dan, there’s a site called “FanGraphs” that can answer your LeMahieu question. Turns out his career groundball rate remains unchanged at 53.8% with runners on base, though his oppo rate jumps all the way from 35% to…36%. (Couldn’t find the precise split for just a man on first but that should get you most of the way there.)
|
9:58 |
: Hate is strong, but I prefer him in studio, where I think he is really very good.
|
9:58 |
: I think a full broadcast is too long for him
|
9:58 |
: Going back to the earlier question about how we’ll view the Rockies rotation in retrospect, what makes Freeland worse/less promising than Marquez and Gray?
|
9:59 |
: I don’t see the link to that. This is the site I use.
|
9:59 |
: You can’t get strep throat more than once. It’s a single organism so after the first time your immune system is wise to it, like chicken pox.
|
9:59 |
: What happens if any of Freeland’s numbers drop off or if he give up a few more homers? There’s less margin for error.
|
9:59 |
: Then why was he taking the throat cultures still!
|
10:00 |
: LIES!
|
10:00 |
Prevention People can get strep throat more than once, so having the infection does not protect you from getting it again in the future. While there is no vaccine to prevent strep throat, there are things you can do to protect yourself and others.” |
10:00 |
: I think national broadcasts are really difficult for anyone, honestly. And A-Rod is new to this. So yeah, I don’t think he should be as far up the ladder as he is, but you can’t blame him for it. And he’s quite good for a new announcer.
|
10:00 |
: Broadcasting is very, very difficult.
|
10:00 |
: Freeland could theoretically get a CG under 100
|
10:01 |
: Unless Big Throat Swab is lying to us all
|
10:01 |
: The difficult part for the national broadcast is that the audience is often people who actually watch more of the teams playing on a daily basis so getting minor things wrong that aren’t that important feel like major insults.
|
10:01 |
: I was more excited about that walk than Dave’s Cameron dog
|
10:01 |
: I saw somewhere that these broadcasts should have 1 national play-by-play announcer, than 1 person from each team for a 3-person booth. Thoughts?
|
10:02 |
: I think chemistry would be difficult.
|
10:02 |
: which is what makes tonight’s broadcast more impressive.
|
10:02 |
: Yeah, there wouldn’t be room for Bunsen burners.
|
10:02 |
: this chat doesn’t have enough Poll
|
10:02 |
: Generally prefer a two-person booth but this one has been quite good
|
10:04 |
: Wooooof
|
10:04 |
: oh Dahl
|
10:04 |
Who Will the Rockies Sign to Fix the Offense?
Ain’t no problem, Coors Field is a myth! (6.2% | 12 votes)
Hunter Pence (6.8% | 13 votes)
Just Give Ian Desmond Two Paychecks (36.1% | 69 votes)
Adam Jones (10.4% | 20 votes)
Nick Markakis (18.3% | 35 votes)
Neil Walker (4.1% | 8 votes)
Pablo Sandoval (6.8% | 13 votes)
Andrew McCutchen (10.9% | 21 votes)
Total Votes: 191
|
10:04 |
: Playoff idea: Each team should be allowed to rent a player from their opponent’s rival team.
|
10:05 |
: a soccer-style loan system would be pretty crazy.
|
10:05 |
: It would be amazing
|
10:05 |
: What a gift
|
10:05 |
: What a little gift
|
10:05 |
: big double play there.
|
10:05 |
: What a big little gift.
|
10:07 |
: Whenever I see a commercial for Basketball A Love Story, I initially think it’s a plug for a very weird Expendables sequel.
|
10:07 |
: Oceans ESPN
|
10:07 |
: If the renting a player thing were allowed, Rockies would have to choose Matt Carpenter, right?
|
10:07 |
: They’d probably take Matt Adams
|
10:09 |
: Is Terrance Gore on the roster tonight? If so, would the correct move not have been to run for Happ (unless he entered as a double switch)?
|
10:09 |
: Every single time he appears in a game I realize I forgot the Cubs got him. It’s a very specific brain ailment.
|
10:09 |
: Didn’t say eliminated rival. Yelich to Colorado
|
10:10 |
: It would actually be fun if when you defeat a team, you could loot their roster for the rest of the postseason
|
10:10 |
: Terrible, but amusing.
|
10:10 |
: would make being a middle seed more interesting, right?
|
10:10 |
: You would have your 25-man roster and a 10-man captured roster that you can use as a taxi squad
|
10:11 |
aaaaaaaaaaand he makes a silly play for an out… |
10:11 |
: Desmond TOOTBLAN haaaaaahahahahah
|
10:11 |
: Ian Desmond is like if Daniel Murphy’s defense was a whole player.
|
10:11 |
: I need crying laughter emoji!
|
10:12 |
: yeah wait Dan, where are the emojis?!
|
10:13 |
: I open the emoji in my chats, but I don’t think anyone else does.
|
10:13 |
: if Dan has a chat without emojis, is it really a chat with Dan?
|
10:13 |
: Jon Gray was unlucky early, then pretty good for a while, but then seemed legitimately bad at the end. What was going on with him?
|
10:13 |
: Honestly? Beats me.
|
10:13 |
: Probably wearing down? Lost some velocity in September
|
10:13 |
: I don’t know what to make of Gray anymore.
|
10:14 |
: Now is when Syzm should ask Bud Black if he thinks Desmond is good
|
10:15 |
: Maybe there is just something about being a left fielder at Wrigley that causes people to think they can run.
|
10:15 |
: All I know is I’m drafting Ian Desmond first in fantasy next year
|
10:15 |
: I feel like the only thing this SaberCast is missing is a tOPS+ reference
|
10:16 |
: Winner between the bizarro all stars and the champs gets to split all forfeited salary from suspended players for the year.
|
10:16 |
: give. it. to. the. minor. leaguers.
|
10:16 |
: I’d hate to see someone pronounce it “topsplus” and then I can never unhear it.
|
10:16 |
: This game is real fun
|
10:16 |
: Gotta keep minor leaguers hungry. Literally, apparently.
|
10:16 |
: yes it is. October baseball is great
|
10:17 |
: The drama of this game would be so, so, so much better had the Cubs not won the World Series in 2016. Now, its just a bit meh, unfortunately.
|
10:17 |
: Would current age Todd Helton be an upgrade at first?
|
10:17 |
: That’s a crazy alternate reality.
|
10:17 |
: Jesse Chavez, high leverage reliever?
|
10:17 |
: It would be fun to imagine and say yes, but it’s been five years and he was breaking down so no.
|
10:17 |
: 2018 is flipping wildddd
|
10:17 |
: Alright I’ll ask the question we are all thinking but wont ask…if you had to build an MLB team using 25 non-humans which animals do you pick for what?
|
10:18 |
: Gorillas?
|
10:18 |
: Is there anything to the Cubs having the 2nd most 0 and 1 run scored games? Or is it just random?
|
10:18 |
: Todd Helton over Chris Davis? maybe
|
10:18 |
: Watching this game is finally beating it into me that Kyle Freeland is a really good pitcher, like wow.
|
10:18 |
: I don’t have a vote this year, but Freeland would make my CY ballot.
|
10:18 |
: Hello, friends.
|
10:18 |
: Are they right to keep Freeland in the game here?
|
10:18 |
: I’m going to say random.
|
10:18 |
: You wanna go to that bullpen?
|
10:19 |
: It’s a big box of nasty surprises and Freeland’s pitch count isn’t high
|
10:19 |
: I think it is fine. He’s at 77 pitches and doing well.
|
10:19 |
: Welcome back, double c
|
10:19 |
: Carson, a gentleman earlier wanted to thank you for your YouTube suggestion.
|
10:19 |
: How was dinner, Carson?
|
10:19 |
: You are a gentleman and a scholar.
|
10:19 |
: Serviceable. Which is fine.
|
10:20 |
: Oh God Carson is back. Hide the children
|
10:20 |
: Yes, please hide them. I have one of my own, which is a sufficient quantity of children for me.
|
10:21 |
: This message for fangraphs readers only: in Szym’s chats next year, let’s make Desmond the new Markakis
|
10:21 |
: Cheetah leadoff, Ant second, Hummingbird third, Polar Bear fourth, Anteater fifth, Garden snake sixth, Gray fox seventh, Siamese Cat eighth, Electric Eel ninth
|
10:21 |
: Who is pitching?
|
10:21 |
: Excuse me, Szymborski, but why is the queue full of comments re animal ballplayers? What have you done?
|
10:23 |
: The dynamic SB% graphic is pretty cool.
|
10:23 |
: Ooh, Story with the big dive.
|
10:23 |
: STORY
|
10:23 |
: Story good!!!
|
10:23 |
: Stab!!!!!
|
10:23 |
: WOW what a catch
|
10:24 |
: I feel like Grizzly Bears are a DH. Lots of power but no defence.
|
10:24 |
: Carson, that catch gave me the vapors and so with your permission I will depart and fetch a beer.
|
10:24 |
: Sure, sure.
|
10:25 |
: one of the best starts in recent memory on short rest….
|
10:25 |
: Hats off to Kyle Freeland, that was an unreal performance
|
10:25 |
: Freeland piched so well I forgot he was on short rest
|
10:25 |
: Ottos crazy slider upcoming
|
10:26 |
: Yeah, Freeland was badass this game.
|
10:26 |
: Kyle Freeland must belong to one of the first generations of player whose “favorite childhood team” could be the Rockies.
|
10:26 |
: We’d be amazing defenders. Have you seen us move up close? Zero to 30mph instantly.
|
10:26 |
: The problem with animal defenses is that you have to make sure they won’t eat other fielders in the vicinity
|
10:27 |
: An antelope sounds like a good defensive centerfielder, but that lion in rightfield could be a problem
|
10:27 |
: just a bit outside!
|
10:28 |
: Francoeur would have swung at it
|
10:28 |
: crazy slider is right…
|
10:28 |
: Dan, easy solution all predator fielders
|
10:28 |
: One pitch from a non-Freeland pitcher and everything is already in danger
|
10:28 |
: Be nice Dan..
|
10:28 |
: What’s the fun of that?
|
10:28 |
: This was a pretty great piece from erstwhile contributor Travis Sawchik:
|
10:28 |
: 2 Crazy 2 catch
|
10:29 |
: 2 fast 2 furious actually works on that
|
10:29 |
: Favorite piece on FG this year^^
|
10:29 |
: That was a good piece. Is Travis erstwhile now?
|
10:29 |
: He chased both Fame and Riches at 538.
|
10:29 |
: Bat flips on walks are Good Baseball Shit
|
10:30 |
: 100% swing rate on fame and riches
|
10:30 |
: They’re richer than FG?
|
10:30 |
: Contreras pumped up after that tough 3-1 take!
|
10:30 |
: Baseball is more fun when you can tell it matters to the players.
|
10:30 |
: I think I once saw Francoeur swing at a baseball shaped cloud.
|
10:31 |
: 538 has that ESPN (meaning Disney) money
|
10:31 |
: ABC!
|
10:31 |
: I enjoy Dan’s running commentary on what Francoeur might swing at
|
10:31 |
: omg i’m in heaven…i love playoff baseball
|
10:31 |
: A commercial for marshmallows – Francoeur would swing at that.
|
10:31 |
: Still the right move to pull Freeland? Love the emotion on a walk
|
10:31 |
: Someone telling an anecdote about a slider.
|
10:31 |
: I’ll tell you in a second, but yes
|
10:31 |
: oh god dont mess this up for freeland
|
10:32 |
: doesn’t it go ESPN -> ABC -> Disney?
|
10:32 |
: ABC and ESPN aren’t under or over each other
|
10:32 |
: oh my
|
10:32 |
: Yeah, that was interference.
|
10:32 |
: catcher interference
|
10:32 |
: WHAT
|
10:32 |
: Catchers interference!!!!
|
10:32 |
: Wow
|
10:32 |
: At least you can explain catchers interference.
|
10:33 |
: The balk rule is from Calvin and Hobbes.
|
10:33 |
: HOLY SHIT
|
10:33 |
: WOWOWOW
|
10:33 |
: Hayward over Schwarber?
|
10:33 |
: Why are they not hitting Schwarber here?
|
10:33 |
: Francoeur sees the glove coming off the catcher, swings a second time. Dan is better at this than me.
|
10:33 |
: I think the balk rule is more Far Side
|
10:33 |
: going for contact here, I guess.
|
10:33 |
: It is fun that the Rockies rotation has been excellent and the bullpen was sort of a dumpster fire after spending that money
|
10:34 |
: On the subject of strange rules, why does an IBB count as a walk for both the pitcher and batter, but defensive indifference doesn’t count as a stolen base?
|
10:34 |
: So is a balk Calvinist or Hobbesian?
|
10:34 |
: And team indifference still counts as a win for teams facing the Orioles in August/September
|
10:34 |
: guys did you know that Kyle Freeland grew up a Rockie fan?
|
10:35 |
: I don’t like people being old enough to be in the majors and growing up as rockies fans
|
10:35 |
: Jerome Bettis is from Detroit.
|
10:35 |
: most clutch catchers interference?
|
10:35 |
: team indifference=Phillies in August/September…..
|
10:35 |
: Francoeur sees Dan throw that strike at the Orioles… doesn’t swing. That was the last one.
|
10:35 |
: Crazy 2-1 slider from Vino.
|
10:35 |
: HUGE STRIKEOUT
|
10:35 |
: Big Fastball!
|
10:35 |
: Kyle Freeland got to yell twice.
|
10:36 |
: Wow. That moved like a mother
|
10:36 |
: OH MY WORD
|
10:36 |
: Even better 2-2 fastball
|
10:36 |
: That was a fun half inning
|
10:36 |
: Oh I guess he throws 97 too
|
10:37 |
: pitch moved like Jagger
|
10:37 |
: This is so good
|
10:37 |
: This has been a terrific game to start the playoffs
|
10:37 |
: This game is so good that even following this on Gameday and Fangraphs chat is fun
|
10:38 |
: Oakland bullpen game tomorrow!!! I hope they win because of it
|
10:38 |
: That’s not gonna help Heyward’s reputation in Chicago
|
10:38 |
: I think Maddon might wear that one more than Heyward.
|
10:38 |
: Is google translate drunk?
|
10:38 |
:
|
10:38 |
: So Ottovino means Eight wine, right? I don’t know what to do with that.
|
10:39 |
: Wade Davis for the save vs his erstwhile team?
|
10:39 |
: How can baseball balance the excitement of the wild card game without the BS of a 1 game play-in game?
|
10:39 |
: Think of it as punishment for not winning the division, punishment which we enjoy.
|
10:39 |
: Should Joe Maddon have put Schwarber in there instead of Heyward?
|
10:40 |
: I would’ve, but I didn’t say it, so it doens’t count
|
10:40 |
: Has anyone else become a lifelong Rockies fan in the last ten minutes?
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10:40 |
: That “up and down never side to side” shaving advice in that Mazda ad; totally wrong right? Gotta go with the grain, across the grain, then against the grain to get a really close shave.
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10:41 |
: I just found a gummy elephant in my bag of gummy worms. What does it mean?!?!?!
|
10:41 |
: I only shave my neck and I just go down, so not sure.
|
10:41 |
: It’s marijuana
|
10:41 |
: Lol if Butera hit a bomb there I don’t know what I’d do myself
|
10:41 |
: Is Rosario the best choice?
|
10:41 |
: Who else does Bud Black trust? Oberg? Maybe Davis?
|
10:41 |
: Butera with two actually kinda well hit balls.
|
10:41 |
: pretty sure he trusts Davis even if the results haven’t been there.
|
10:41 |
: Foul balls, I mean.
|
10:42 |
: I mean, I know we’re still in the lol part of the rockies lineup
|
10:42 |
: Joe Maddon read Jeff Sullivan’s article on Schwarber
|
10:42 |
: That’s not actually *predictive*
|
10:42 |
: Dunno if I missed it, but I’m kind of surprised they haven’t brought up xwOBA
|
10:42 |
: He definitely trusts Oberg. He’s pitched in 80% of games since the all star break it seems
|
10:43 |
: I’m guessing that was a strategic choice. Don’t want to go too heavy.
|
10:43 |
: Butera walks in the playoffs. It’s his thing.
|
10:43 |
: Genius Joe Maddon strikes again. What’s he thinking with 6 outs to get and the bases loaded? Was he waiting for an even bigger situation for Schwarber?
|
10:43 |
: Hm. Walk of Butera not… ideal.
|
10:43 |
: I think he liked Heyward against Ottavino or a lefty better than Schwarber against a lefty.
|
10:44 |
: also a single would have tied the game, which is maybe more likely with Heyward.
|
10:44 |
: Anyone know the fourth catcher on this Colorado team?
|
10:44 |
: Guess what? It’s you.
|
10:44 |
: Probably Ian Desmond since he’s not good at anything anyway.
|
10:44 |
: I also only shave down
|
10:45 |
: Does Bud trust Oberg?
|
10:45 |
: We will find out.
|
10:45 |
: In a weird twist the fourth catcher is Kyle Schwarber
|
10:45 |
: Dan, what’s the penalty for just a regular position player going behind the plate? Can you project that?
|
10:45 |
: HOW DID DREW BUTERA WALK?!
|
10:45 |
: So far, I’ve loved the NerdCast
|
10:45 |
: I don’t have one for going to catcher!
|
10:46 |
: how did drew butera hit a foul ball 300 feet?
|
10:46 |
: How did Drew Butera end up playing in a do or die playoff game
|
10:46 |
: Well, one that I have any confidence in
|
10:46 |
: Can anyone explain why the Cubs pen is so bad? Justin Wilson is basically Tyler Chatwood at this point and is on the roster.
|
10:46 |
: I always liked TOOTBLANS. It does what it says, it’s kinda mean, and it sounds like it could be fart-related.
|
10:46 |
: Brandon Morrow and Carl Edwards are hurt and sort of hurt and those were their two best relievers. Take the top two off a lot of teams and this is what they look like.
|
10:47 |
: Do you think Bud Black plays Desmond because he actually thinks he’s good, or do they not want to bench the guy who they paid 70 million dollars?
|
10:47 |
: At that point, you’re just trying to figure out which incompetent scenario is the right one.
|
10:47 |
: Replay at 2nd
|
10:47 |
: Given Bridich’s comments on young players, it might actually be the former
|
10:48 |
: Steve Cishek 6 appearances in last 7 days?!
|
10:48 |
: That looked safe?
|
10:48 |
: Really looked safe.
|
10:49 |
: Was that the best Rockies SP performance in the playoffs ever? I think it has to be considering it was Kyle’s first and on 3 days rest.
|
10:49 |
: LeMahieu’s just gonna stay at first and hope nobody notices.
|
10:49 |
: In the booth: enhance! enhance!
|
10:49 |
: I don’t think any Rockies pitcher has ever gone at least 6 innings with 0 runs, per Play Index so I’d have to think yes.
|
10:49 |
: Daniel Murphy: smartest man at the ballpark
|
10:50 |
: Wow, what did they see to uphold the call?
|
10:50 |
: Man, Baez really bailed Murphy out on that one.
|
10:50 |
: wow
|
10:50 |
: Do they have an angle not shot from the ISS
|
10:50 |
: No, it’s part of their contract.
|
10:51 |
: shocked by that call
|
10:51 |
: Replay is seriously a joke.
|
10:52 |
: IDK, I thought it was possible the foot landed on Baez’s foot on top of the bag. enough doubt for me to uphold instead of reverse.
|
10:54 |
: On nerdcast they showed slide might have been over bag and landed on top instead of hitting side.
|
10:54 |
: Ottavino staying in. Lot of trust from Bud Black there.
|
10:55 |
: might be for Bryant and Baez-decent matchup.
|
10:55 |
: Crazy 1-1 two-seamer from Ottavino.
|
10:55 |
: Sorry. *Two* crazy two-seamers.
|
10:55 |
: Vino is improving with age.
|
10:56 |
: You can’t hit that
|
10:56 |
: getting exciting.
|
10:56 |
: Who of y’all was sleeping on Adam Ottamotopoeia?
|
10:57 |
: When Otto is on, he’s a treat to watch. Such a nasty slider and 2 seam combination.
|
10:57 |
: Ottavino is looking great
|
10:57 |
: Do you agree with pulling Rizzo?
|
10:57 |
: I don’t love it.
|
10:58 |
: Pulling Rizzo to play for a tie?
|
10:58 |
: GORE!
|
10:58 |
: Great Gore stat there re SB vs. pA.
|
10:58 |
: You know it’s October when you see Terrance Gore
|
10:58 |
: I want this to end in a stolen base of home by Gore.
|
10:58 |
: ^this this this
|
10:59 |
: Tie game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
10:59 |
: worked out for the cubs.
|
10:59 |
: Oh my
|
10:59 |
: OH SNAP
|
10:59 |
: OMG
|
10:59 |
: WOW
|
10:59 |
: One batter too many?
|
10:59 |
: it was the right matchup. he just got too much of the plate.
|
11:00 |
: Well, gore over rizzo looks pretty good now
|
11:00 |
: The fuck Baez reached second on that hit?
|
11:00 |
: Right decision by both managers
|
11:00 |
: Gore: 16 official at bats, 27 stolen bases
|
11:00 |
: Yeah, but who is going to play 1st base???
|
11:00 |
: Baez grabbing that extra bag is huge.
|
11:01 |
: Luckily for the Rockies they have Arenado and Story up vs a not so good pen. They need to keep it tied though.
|
11:01 |
: I want to see Gore play 1B
|
11:01 |
: With Rizzo out, would you rather be the Cubs or Rocieks
|
11:01 |
: Without looking, I’d have to assume Gore’s a pretty strong defender.
|
11:02 |
: Cubs. They are the home team.
|
11:02 |
: He could move… Bryant to first, maybe?
|
11:02 |
: An outfield of Gore/Almora/Hewyard?
|
11:02 |
: Brewers watching this game potentially going to extras like
|
11:03 |
: How can you even think about throwing a ball in the zone to Baez there?
|
11:03 |
: I don’t think that was the intention.
|
11:03 |
: Gore in the outfield and Zobrit st first?
|
11:03 |
: Murphy can move to 1st.
|
11:04 |
: Sorry. Didn’t realize Bote was gone. Yeah, Zobrist to second and Murphy to first.
|
11:04 |
: Zobrist to first, Gore to LF.
|
11:04 |
: Zobrist to 1B, Gore to LF
|
11:05 |
: Baez gonna steal home
|
11:06 |
: Thoughts on taking out Blackmon and putting Dahl in CF, CarGo in RF? I actually like it. Dahl is a much better CF defender.
|
11:06 |
: I could be convinced otherwise, but the prospect of removing Blackmon is a strange one to me.
|
11:07 |
: … except for that he just batted in the previous inning.
|
11:07 |
: I don’t like taking your best players out. Too risky.
|
11:07 |
: Let Gore pitch
|
11:07 |
: they took blackmon out?
|
11:07 |
: Umm Blackmon gone why
|
11:08 |
: Did Meg ever make it back from fetching a beer?
|
11:08 |
: Oh no. Meg!
|
11:08 |
: This is fun.
|
11:08 |
: How does this games win probability look right now? Leaning any specific direction?
|
11:08 |
: It’s, like, exactly 50-50 right now.
|
11:08 |
: Seems like every pitcher should throw a slider in the dirt every pitch
|
11:09 |
: Late career Carlos Marmol just missed his perfect era.
|
11:09 |
: The question should be why the hell is Parra still in over Blackmon
|
11:10 |
: Hendricks or Strop? Because there warming up.
|
11:10 |
: Appears as though Strop is the answer.
|
11:10 |
: kind of wild that strop is in this moment after not pitching for so long.
|
11:10 |
: Heading into the 9th without Blackmon or Rizzo in the game…didn’t see that one coming.
|
11:10 |
: Bud black loves double switches. Highest double switch percentage among qualifying managers
|
11:12 |
: Now that Matheny is gone, maybe.
|
11:12 |
: @michael J, lineup placement for the double switch
|
11:12 |
:
|
11:13 |
: So Blackmons splits page lists his Away wRC+ as 107, Away vs R wRC+ as 97, and Away vs L wRC+ as 84. ???
|
11:13 |
: I see it as 112 and 99.
|
11:14 |
: Parra at bat with the season on the line
|
11:16 |
: If the Cubs don’t score in the next inning, Blackmon’s spot would probably come up in 10th.
|
11:17 |
: loving all the popping off we’re seeing
|
11:17 |
: Strop!!!
|
11:18 |
: Pedro Strop was, I think, satisfied with the outcome of that AB.
|
11:18 |
: This is what is wrong with Black. He should’ve PH McMahon here for Desmond. Inexcusable not to.
|
11:18 |
: You’re supposed to get Desmond out!
|
11:18 |
: I’m sure there are excuses. There are always excuses.
|
11:18 |
: Desmond has The Will to Win. If McMahon was a winner then tell me why he isn’t 30, smart guy!
|
11:19 |
: Wonder if the Cubs go with a starting pitcher soon.
|
11:19 |
: Announcers said Hendricks is slated to start the 10th.
|
11:20 |
: Do the Rockies go Senzatela if they are looking for a long guy?
|
11:20 |
: I think they have better options.
|
11:22 |
: What 10th? Imminent walkoff.
|
11:22 |
: Is that Wade Davis pitching to Drew Butera?
|
11:22 |
: Gutsy curve there by Davis.
|
11:23 |
: Tough pitch to Murphy.
|
11:23 |
: Hamels up for the 10th. Ooh man.
|
11:23 |
: Seems about time that Willson Contreras hits one about 440 feet
|
11:24 |
: He just tried to.
|
11:25 |
: So these are quite literally the highest leverage at bats so far of the season, correct?
|
11:25 |
: The Jason Heyward at bat is the biggest one thus far.
|
11:25 |
: MLB.com says the Cubs “stormed back” … is finally scoring a single run really a storm ..?
|
11:25 |
: a quiet storm
|
11:25 |
: A single run, or… INFINITELY MORE RUNS?
|
11:26 |
: Hamels has ONE regular season relief appearance, 2011 with the Phillies. None in the postseason. This is an outright gamble by Maddon.
|
11:26 |
: He just pitched a guy who hadn’t thrown a competitive pitch in two weeks. This is just where we are.
|
11:27 |
: Davis made some great pitches that AB. Great takes from Contreras.
|
11:27 |
: Schwarbs shed the Mr. Unclutch rap?
|
11:28 |
: What is Ian Desmond’s WPA so far?
|
11:28 |
: -.125
|
11:30 |
: Wade Davis went to the same spot on different pitches to get Schwarber out.
|
11:30 |
: Free baseball!
|
11:31 |
: Best food for extra innings: chicken TENders to start right?
|
11:31 |
: with EXTRA BBQ sauce.
|
11:31 |
: 163 games weren’t enough for either of these teams to finalize their playoff spot, 9 innings certainly isnt enough to settle the wild card!
|
11:32 |
: Is it worth it to use Hamels just to get Dahl, CarGo, and Butera? Aside from Dahl, can’t basically anyone do that?
|
11:32 |
: It’s the 10th inning. You don’t save anybody. Butera was walked last time.
|
11:33 |
: How thrilled is Milwaukee that Hamels is in?
|
11:34 |
: He still might be ready for Friday depending on how this goes–for a lot of reasons–but Milwaukee is probably pretty pleased to not be playing more than anything.
|
11:35 |
: Not much. They don’t consider Hamels a rival.
|
11:35 |
: Mcmahon?
|
11:35 |
: Nope. Butera.
|
11:36 |
: it went as expected.
|
11:36 |
: If I know Bud Black, we’re gonna see Pat Valaika.
|
11:36 |
: somebody in this chat knows Bud Black.
|
11:38 |
: Perhaps someone IS Bud Black?
|
11:38 |
: Pretty weird-looking Charlie Blackmon batting now.
|
11:38 |
: I am not Bud Black, but happy to field Szymborski’s questions about whether Ian Desmond is good.
|
11:39 |
: on a team with the 2 allstars and a bunch of AAA guys strategy, taking out a dude who was once one of the allstars seems unwise
|
11:39 |
: Rockies offense:as bad as advertised
|
11:39 |
: didn’t look too good right there.
|
11:39 |
: I’m reading the MLB feed for this game and they called Valaika’s substitution offensive. Guess they didn’t like the Blackmon move either.
|
11:39 |
: I just want to see Terrance Gore bat
|
11:40 |
: youre about to
|
11:40 |
: Breaking: Cole Hamels has a good changeup
|
11:40 |
: Pretty sure a change is considered offspeed and not Breaking:
|
11:41 |
: Zobrist, Bryant, and… Gore! this inning.
|
11:41 |
: Although its nice to have a new team involved in the playoffs … the Cubs just have better / more exciting players than Colorado. So, objective fans just get more bang for their buck with a Cubs / Brewers series
|
11:41 |
: Is it a rivalry, though?
|
11:42 |
: Offspeed: Cole Hamels has a good changeup
|
11:42 |
: “Final Boss” when opposition has a chance to walk off is tempting the nickname gods to end this game right here.
|
11:42 |
: Coors > Wrigley
|
11:42 |
: Will Gore actually hit? Or will they PH Caratini, put him at first, slide Murphy back to second, and Zobrist back to the OF?
|
11:42 |
: Will they let Gore hit?
|
11:42 |
: Hot take
|
11:42 |
: They better let him.
|
11:43 |
: Walk-off HR with Gore on Deck.
|
11:43 |
: Prediction: Gore hits walk off
|
11:43 |
: America NEEDS a walk-off inside-the-park HR from Gore right now
|
11:43 |
: Terrence Gore walkoff
|
11:43 |
: The Penultimate Boss doesn’t have quite the same ring to it as The Final Boss
|
11:43 |
: I want to hear some hypothetical newspaper headlines for a walk off Gore HR
|
11:44 |
: Gore-ing, Gore-ing, Gone!
|
11:44 |
: Gore finally wins!
|
11:44 |
: Terrance The Cover Off The Ball
|
11:44 |
: “Oh no!”–Denver Post
|
11:44 |
: OMGore!
|
11:44 |
: Penultimate Boss is very good
|
11:45 |
: Gore-ky’s Park!
|
11:45 |
: Gore-geous win by the Cubs!
|
11:45 |
: I can see Gore-geous getting some headlines
|
11:45 |
: Gore-n to run
|
11:45 |
: Nolan is good
|
11:47 |
: 2-1!
|
11:47 |
: That sure was a swing
|
11:47 |
: Gore’s swing is UGLY, dear god.
|
11:47 |
: Spoilers Carson!
|
11:47 |
: 2-3!!
|
11:48 |
: Excited for the 11th. It’s like the 10th, but louder.
|
11:48 |
: Best food for extra innings: next up is torti11as.
|
11:49 |
Who wins (T11)
Cubs (54.8% | 62 votes)
Rockies (45.1% | 51 votes)
Total Votes: 113
|
11:50 |
: I am now invested in The 6ix food saga
|
11:50 |
: Who was the pitcher that gave up a hit to Gore?
|
11:50 |
: Max Scherzer!
|
11:50 |
: I hope it ends in the 11th. Then headlines can read: “Rockies – Cubs Turn the Post Season Up to 11”
|
11:50 |
: In order for the Rockies to win they need to score, right?
|
11:50 |
: working to confirm.
|
11:50 |
: Craig, you forgot the third option in your poll. Baseball fans
|
11:51 |
: whoever has the most fun wins, really.
|
11:52 |
: Wait where’s the runner who starts the 11th on second?
|
11:52 |
: Hidden shutout! Someone wake Jaffe up
|
11:52 |
: I guess Nolan really is good
|
11:53 |
: Does Whole Camels have a path to the HOF?
|
11:53 |
: If he pitches 10 shutout innings tonight, maybe. Probably not though.
|
11:55 |
: Craig, in terms of the effect of one appearance on a player’s HOF candidacy, you think Jack Morris is No. 1?
|
11:55 |
: At least on our lifetimes?
|
11:56 |
: I would think so.
|
11:56 |
: Mazeroski as well?
|
11:56 |
: how old do you think we are?
|
11:57 |
: You guys dig this broadcast crew or nah?
|
11:57 |
: Yes. They are doing a good job.
|
11:57 |
: After Arenado and Story, the Rockies lineup doesn’t seem like they are going to get a hit EVER.
|
11:57 |
: Mazeroski is an option. I think elite-elite defenders have also received more attention than one might expect. Esp relative to just the mostly elite defenders.
|
11:57 |
: Mazeroski is the correct answer for that not in our lifetimes
|
11:57 |
: Very old
|
11:57 |
: good at bat by parra
|
11:57 |
: This is what being a Rockies fan is like, everybody. It’s like, oh, Story popped out, so we gotta make it to like the 14th so Arenado and Story can hit again.
|
11:58 |
: How is it that EVERY TIME it’s Ian Desmond LOL
|
11:58 |
: It only feels that way. Sometimes it is Drew Butera.
|
11:58 |
: SAFE!!!
|
11:58 |
: CLUTCH run by Parra.
|
11:58 |
: Wow, silenced
|
11:58 |
: Parra making things happen.
|
11:58 |
: is…is this why they kept Parra in?
|
11:58 |
: OMG
|
11:59 |
: Wow. Nice hustle by Parra. Was he running on the pitch?
|
11:59 |
: Halladay playoff no hitter?
|
11:59 |
: I don’t think he needs that to make the Hall. It isn’t the crux of his argument.
|
11:59 |
: 10/2/18: Parra is finally useful
|
12:00 |
: How much does Dahl’s playing time NEXT season depend on the results of this at bat?
|
12:00 |
: I’m following along on gameday–could someone explain what happened on that Desmond FC?
|
12:00 |
Will the Cubs walk it off this inning?
Yes (53.1% | 67 votes)
No (46.8% | 59 votes)
Total Votes: 126
|
12:00 |
: Parra beat the throw from Bryant
|
12:00 |
: if Dahl does not hit a 6 run homer that goes to Milwaukee and brains Christian Yelich so he’s out for the whole series, he’ll get cut.
|
12:01 |
: How many pitches has Dahl seen today? Like 5?
|
12:01 |
: Dahl will be a year older. Black will like him more next year.
|
12:02 |
: Yeah, gonna be no room for Dahl after the Rockies sign Nick Markakis for 5/75.
|
12:02 |
: Unkent: Bryant threw to second, but Parra beat the throw. All runners safe.
|
12:02 |
: Dan takes a half hour power nap; both offenses are yet to wake back up
|
12:02 |
: I had to go to the bathroom. I was watching, but I didn’t want to type in there.
|
12:02 |
: And then there wasn’t a great moment to stop going to the bathroom
|
12:02 |
: Oops. I guess Dahl’s going back to the bench when the Rox pay $50M to someone like Michael Brantley
|
12:02 |
: If you don’t accidentally piss on the keyboard, are you really committed, Dan?
|
12:03 |
: I need my laptop!
|
12:03 |
: Dahl has seen 9 pitches according to fg boxscore
|
12:03 |
: Should more dudes swing on 3-0? I forget what the research says
|
12:03 |
: sometimes, yes.
|
12:04 |
: Is Baez walking evne legal?
|
12:04 |
PETRIELLO: welcome to the top of the 47th
[sun rises] [sun keeps getting bigger] PETRIELLO: it’s rising at a launch… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… |
12:04 |
: Lead off walk in the bottom of the 11th is pretty much game over.
|
12:04 |
: Javy not swinging in this situation makes me feel like I’m in a simulation
|
12:04 |
: Unrealistic fanfiction
|
12:05 |
: “Javy Baez Walked by the Pitcher” by Chuck Tingle
|
12:05 |
: Dan I’m pretty sure that’s how you prevent blisters from typing.
|
12:05 |
: Javy almost ran himself outta town there
|
12:06 |
: Once, in a walkoff in an elimination game, I want to see the runner continue running out of the park and to the next city.
|
12:06 |
: Didn’t look like he made too much of a commitment there.
|
12:06 |
: that’s why butera’s in
|
12:07 |
: Love that wide-angle camera view of the whole infield to see Butera was headed to 3rd basically on contact. ESPN doing a good job tonight
|
12:07 |
: If the Cubs lose this game does it change the attitude in signing or not signing Harper?
|
12:07 |
: No
|
12:07 |
: fast curve for Oh at 70 mph
|
12:07 |
: That curve was meat
|
12:08 |
: given how emotive contreras has been with his walks tonight, what do we think happens if he hits a walk-off here? does he combust?
|
12:08 |
: Contreras hurt!
|
12:08 |
: Contreras down
|
12:08 |
: Was the IBB there something you agree with?
|
12:08 |
: Caratini is my favorite pasta shape
|
12:08 |
: I can’t wait to see this game decided by relief pitcher at bats.
|
12:08 |
: the run expectancy barely moves so if the matchup is better then it is a good move.
|
12:09 |
: Carson, both of your names combined are very close to Caratini – is there any relation?
|
12:09 |
: Get Contreras out and Hamels is due next.
|
12:09 |
: Yes. Specifically for the reason you cite, I <3 Bunts.
|
12:09 |
: Yes that’s how names work
|
12:10 |
: Walkoff now?
|
12:10 |
: Kirk Gibson moment coming up?
|
12:10 |
: If Contreras walks it off after the injury, he’s bat flipping it to outer space, isn’t he?
|
12:10 |
: So how punchy is everyone?
|
12:10 |
: If he wouldn’t, he should go to jail
|
12:11 |
: Meg!
|
12:11 |
: Meg!
|
12:11 |
: Meg lives!
|
12:11 |
: Theyve posted my jokes, Meg, so ‘a lot’
|
12:11 |
: Meg, how far away is your fridge?
|
12:11 |
: If Wilson Contreas homers here the NBA is rigged
|
12:11 |
: Ah yes, my people.
|
12:11 |
: Contreras’ bat flip would land next to Schwarber’s homer on the scoreboard
|
12:11 |
: more paunchy than punchy, but still
|
12:11 |
: Did that pitch not count?
|
12:11 |
: Daaaaaa bears!
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12:11 |
: Meg! It’s been pretty Rowley here (get it, rowdy? ill see myself out)
|
12:12 |
: We were so worried about you that we let no one score
|
12:12 |
: apparently not.
|
12:12 |
: Someone. Called timeout
|
12:12 |
: Oh no, it was my fault
|
12:12 |
: Launch angle on that hypothetical batflip?
|
12:12 |
: All the degrees
|
12:12 |
: Playoff bat flips have to qualify as a barrel or you lose the game
|
12:12 |
: Cubs trying hard to ice Oh
|
12:12 |
: This has been a strange AB
|
12:12 |
: [obligatory Me Growley joke]
|
12:12 |
: yes.
|
12:13 |
: This has been a strange game.
|
12:13 |
: That was weird. We had the audio on the broadcast, but they didn’t in the booth.
|
12:13 |
: #Hugwatch
|
12:13 |
: Great takeout hug there to prevent the double play
|
12:13 |
: even stranger.
|
12:13 |
: Cub-hug
|
12:14 |
: Contreras did run okay just then.
|
12:14 |
: There’s no hugging in baseball.
|
12:14 |
: Wait a sec isn’t that interference?? That would’ve been two
|
12:14 |
: Nooooooooooooooo.
|
12:14 |
: need to make an attempt.
|
12:14 |
: It was a hug.
|
12:14 |
: You know what they say
|
12:15 |
: Arenado hugged him first
|
12:15 |
: Can they instant replay a hug?
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12:15 |
: @Anonymous “takeout hug,” that’s beautiful
|
12:15 |
: Is this in any way reviewable?
|
12:15 |
: I have no second half to that joke
|
12:15 |
: HUG GATE
|
12:15 |
: This is pretty on-brand for a certain kind of baseball man. See this delightful moment? I THINK IT WAS AGAINST THE RULES.
|
12:16 |
: I look forward to 700 words by either Jeff or Meg on that hug.
|
12:16 |
: There was consent
|
12:16 |
: I think we’ll soon see a FG article on Baez’s intangible hugging skills
|
12:16 |
: shhhhhh
|
12:16 |
: Arenado is such a nice guy, he just wanted a hug, and now its gonna cost them.
|
12:16 |
: What kind of lesson will we be teaching the kids if this hug results in a 2nd out?
|
12:16 |
: Meg! you are alive!!!! thought your beer keg maybe ate you.
|
12:16 |
: Jeff might hear you and steal it
|
12:16 |
: I would like to see numerous slow mo hugs
|
12:16 |
: That was mutual hugging
|
12:16 |
: Meg, can we get a compendium of baseball hugs post?
|
12:16 |
: If I’m Arenado’s teammate, I’m happy.
|
12:17 |
: In an all animal game hugging another player is instant death
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12:17 |
:
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12:17 |
: did that hug have loss probability added?
|
12:17 |
.@statcast had that hug at 1.23 seconds… Longest of the year.
|
12:18 |
: Oh man, I gotta go see if Old Hoss is mad about the hug
|
12:18 |
: I have never flipped open my laptop quicker to get here to see yall’s reactions to a baseball thing
|
12:18 |
: Carson’s pasta relative is gonna be the hero
|
12:18 |
: Odor would’ve punched him
|
12:19 |
: Goose Gossage just imploded
|
12:19 |
: Dan would be proud to know I switched tabs from playing CK2, just to see the commentary around the hug
|
12:19 |
: Who were you playing as?
|
12:19 |
: Sad that the hug had no game consequences.
|
12:19 |
: Except FRIENDSHIP
|
12:19 |
: I mean we were all delighted
|
12:19 |
Who wins (T12)?
Cubs (47.4% | 85 votes)
Rockies (52.5% | 94 votes)
Total Votes: 179
|
12:19 |
: speaking of Paradox games, anyone here play Stellaris?
|
12:19 |
: Hey, dopes. I have to go to bed, on account of my child will be waking up in a few hours.
|
12:20 |
: Yup
|
12:20 |
: Though it hasn’t been my rotation in awhile
|
12:20 |
: The hug was too much for Carson.
|
12:20 |
: sleep when you’re dead, we’ve got exciting baseball to watch here
|
12:20 |
: Dan – playing as the Empire of Francia (started out as a tinpot Count in Thouars, now running an Empire that stretches from Britain to Jerusalem). And yes, Im bragging about my performance in a single player RPG on the internet…
|
12:20 |
: I think it’s safe to say we are all winners now
|
12:20 |
: I’m dead on the inside, which is sufficient in this case.
|
12:21 |
: Carson be well, friend.
|
12:21 |
: I feel like old baseball broadcasters who says ‘just when you thought you’ve seen everything, you see something new’
|
12:21 |
: I love the wacky things that happen. Once while playing in eastern europe, there was a scottish muslim king that also got spain
|
12:21 |
: @Dan yessss, it’s so good. Hear you on the rotation though, I haven’t played in a bit either. Feels like I play the most right after a new patch / DLC
|
12:21 |
: First baseman Ryan McMahon
|
12:21 |
: Carson, if you’re son of Car, is your child Carsonson?
|
12:21 |
: I don’t think we’ve ever seen teams play a game 163, lose and then get to play again.
|
12:21 |
: Carson is already his nickname for Carsonson. Hhe has Carsonsonson
|
12:22 |
: Dan, who wins in fatigue? Odd Warrior Cubs or Secret Hunter as DK?
|
12:22 |
: Who’s manager has done least bad
|
12:22 |
: Cubs. They can keep recycling Gore with Dead Mans Hand
|
12:23 |
: OH wait, odd warrior
|
12:23 |
: ODD WARRIOR DAN DEAD MAN’S HAND COST 2
|
12:23 |
: Tossup. Black has done better with pitching, I think, but the lineup calls haven’t been great.
|
12:23 |
: Yeah, I saw it before you said!
|
12:23 |
: Now that every player is a millionaire they don’t really care about winning or losing. Just hugs all around. And get off my lawn!!
|
12:23 |
: You’d need Gore and Dee Gordon in the same lineup for that strat
|
12:23 |
: “Old man yells at hug”
|
12:24 |
: Hey guys, sorry I’ve been up late reading about bankers financing wars for Italy in the 15th century & the Catholic Church being passive towards it. What’re you guys up to?
|
12:24 |
: same really
|
12:24 |
: LOOGY in the 12th is a bold move.
|
12:24 |
: May I get a shoutout Dan
|
12:24 |
: God, Shudderwock Rockies. You see Ian Desmond played 10 times
|
12:24 |
: Who tf gonna pitch in game 1 if the Cubs play in the NLDS??
|
12:24 |
: Is that an irresponsible use of a pitcher in the 12th inning to pull him after one AB?
|
12:24 |
: Schwarber
|
12:24 |
: Hendricks can go a lot of innings and his spot won’t be up for a while.
|
12:25 |
: I was serious, I really want Dayn Perry to adopt me as his large adult son
|
12:25 |
: Ian Desmond is a 6 mana 1/1 with battlecry: deal 2 damage to itself
|
12:25 |
: Playing as Byzantines is the best to reclaim those Roman Borders
|
12:25 |
: That’s about right. Desmond just gets more powerful the more he’s played in a game?
|
12:25 |
: Maddon would definitely use Hunter DK and build zombeasts in the dugout
|
12:25 |
: The best part about playoff baseball. It allows me to stay up past my bedtime.
|
12:25 |
: cant even be useful with Keleseth
|
12:25 |
: Are you all still speaking English?
|
12:25 |
: I don’t see a realistic end to this game. I just can’t see how anyone wins this game at any point.
|
12:26 |
: At some point we’ll all be dead.
|
12:26 |
: Yes we have playoff hearthstone chat
|
12:26 |
: What happens if a player dies in-game and the team is out of bench including pitchers?
|
12:26 |
: Let’s go for the 19 inning record. Is Devine still active?
|
12:26 |
: We mourn, dan.
|
12:26 |
: Cubs summon Exodia. Win game. Oh wait, you’re taking MTG not yugioh
|
12:27 |
: Exodia’s called Exodia in Hearthstone
|
12:27 |
: I only know what the rules are if a certain amount of a roster is killed or disabled in-season
|
12:27 |
JOE BUCK: Welcome to the top of the 47th
[Sun rises] [Sun keeps getting bigger] BUCK: yes [World engulfed by flames] BUCK: oh god yes |
12:27 |
: I’m not sure during a game.
|
12:27 |
: When do the video guys get to be put into the game
|
12:27 |
: I think I’d still release Desmond before the dead guy.
|
12:27 |
: Also CK2 makes you relate to Tywin Lannister so well. I’d be livid if my firstborn disinherited himself and if my youngest son had a genius trait but was a dwarf in the game
|
12:28 |
: Blue Eyes White Bryant
|
12:28 |
kiss you cowards
|
12:28 |
: I have no regrets
|
12:28 |
: The game has been very Black-Blue control deck. Sacrifice own guys to kill opponents. I guess cubs are hoping to deck the Rockies
|
12:28 |
: Looked away from the chat for a bit and all of a sudden it’s all about death. I guess I should have predicted that.
|
12:28 |
: Death and video games. That’s what happens when hugs become a thing and Carsonson’s not around to babysite me.
|
12:28 |
: Makes us all better at our jobs (those jobs being watching baseball)
|
12:29 |
: Brewers biggest winners tonight right?
|
12:29 |
: Brewers are the winners tonight
|
12:29 |
: “Victory or Death!”
|
12:29 |
: But do you sacrifice your worst player or sacrifice your best player and absorb his energy?
|
12:29 |
: Pretty sure the Brewers aren’t playing tonight
|
12:29 |
: Part of the winning.
|
12:29 |
: Idk, I think whoever wins tonight is biggest winner tonight. I know vanilla answer
|
12:29 |
: Ah! There is nothing like staying at home, for [baseball playoffs].
|
12:30 |
: HEY WHERE’S THE 6IX WITH THE EXTRA INNINGS FOOD?!
|
12:30 |
: At some point, all this excitement is going to make me want more spaghetti
|
12:30 |
: I know from experience, brotherhood and fistbumps win in OT
|
12:30 |
: The Brewers are making beer tonight, duh. The beer doesn’t make itself…
|
12:30 |
: MLB games really start to resemble two card burn decks playing each other by the 12th inning or so
|
12:30 |
: Can we get a poll on this: Does it bother you that Apollo doesn’t include the planting of the American flag on the moon by Neil Armstrong?
|
12:30 |
: Anyone else tired of the emoji riddled MLB atbat notifications?
|
12:30 |
: Pasta is off season food
|
12:30 |
: That isn’t the name of that movie?
|
12:30 |
: I have already drank 12 old styles, got hungry, made chicken Alfredo, consumed it, and here I am.
|
12:31 |
: Wow, you still believe in the moon?
|
12:31 |
: I feel like the video game that most captures the essence of baseball/this game is dark souls. Just keep trying until you succeed, probably on pure luck, then go right back to failing until you get lucky again.
|
12:31 |
: You just know Bridich is scheming about somehow cloning Desmond this winter.
|
12:31 |
: Pasta is food
|
12:31 |
: Extra innings food, 12th inning edition: a dozen wings.
|
12:31 |
: Dan, you have to chill just a little.
|
12:31 |
: I’m passionate!
|
12:32 |
: Meg, any update on dinner?
|
12:32 |
Would You Be in Favor of Deciding Games by Hugs?
Yes (53.1% | 76 votes)
Yes (46.8% | 67 votes)
Total Votes: 143
|
12:32 |
: I remain hungry.
|
12:32 |
: Ben and Jeff have joked about the low number of clicks on Rockies posts. Do the Cubs get the most clicks on articles about them or their players?
|
12:32 |
: I am happy to say I have no idea, but that makes sense.
|
12:33 |
: The statcast broadcast is pretty great, Benetti is a gem
|
12:33 |
: wow what a brutal factoid about Heyward- worst MLB hitter in playoff history with at least 100 pa’s- 18-121 now. .149
|
12:33 |
: that was almost a blunder.
|
12:34 |
: The worst hitter in playoff history by WPA is Reggie Sanders at -2.702
|
12:34 |
: Rox outfield defence bad
|
12:34 |
: Pretty pretty bad
|
12:34 |
: Heyward was 3117th of 3154 hitters coming into tonight by WPA at -1.019
|
12:34 |
: Good thing Heyward is good at defense.
|
12:34 |
: I ate Heyward’s lunch today and I’m still hungry for more
|
12:35 |
: Okay but who has higher speech giving WPA than my guy jhey
|
12:35 |
: Bud Black looks like the type of guy who would help a young kid put the chain back on his bicycle if he saw him on the street
|
12:35 |
: One of my friends needs to take a 6:45am train to his law school class and has the long-weekend scaries and his nutritionist gave him expired Melatonin so he should definitely stay up for the rest of this game regardless of its length, right?
|
12:36 |
: I had plans for the night. Now
|
12:36 |
: Yes
|
12:36 |
: (skip the class)
|
12:36 |
: I’d answer, but you should never listen to me or do what I advise in any situation ever.
|
12:36 |
: Expired melatonin is basically meth.
|
12:37 |
: I didnt know melatonin could expire. Learn something new every wild card.
|
12:37 |
: Cubs hitters have a WPA of -0.854, which includes Baez’s 0.305. Crazyness
|
12:37 |
: Answer is always skip the class, I skipped 40% of college classes and no I’m…hmm…maybe go to that class.
|
12:37 |
: I don’t understand how Khris Davis and Matt Carpenter have way way more power than Jason Heyward. Just look at them!
|
12:37 |
: It has not been an especially sharp game
|
12:37 |
: The only bathroom in the apartment is through the bedroom where my light-sleeping girlfriend has been in bed since 9:30. This game has begun to get uncomfortable.
|
12:37 |
: That’s part of what makes baseball great.
|
12:37 |
: You have a sink, don’t you?
|
12:37 |
: As a former law student, I say skip the class
|
12:37 |
: Dan, I’d read your advise column. You’d be like Cassandra, telling me what not to do, but watching with horror as I do it all the same.
|
12:37 |
: Expired Melatonin is a great nickname seeking player
|
12:37 |
: what if they have to poo…
|
12:38 |
: Who would you take … Kris Bryant from here on out based on you project he will do for the rest of his career … or post 1984 season Ryne Sandberg’s career?
|
12:38 |
: Anyone remember that Sam Miller article about a hypothetical 40+ inning game?
|
12:38 |
: Garbage disposal
|
12:38 |
: I’ll take Bryant. More mystery.
|
12:38 |
: Expired Melatonin: Pedro Baez
|
12:38 |
: It is delightful
|
12:38 |
: I went to as many college classes as I could to decrease my $$/class ratio.
|
12:38 |
: Late night fangraphs chats truly bring out the degenerates
|
12:39 |
: I’ve been here all night!
|
12:39 |
: you will generally learn more by showing up than trying to figure out what you missed later.
|
12:39 |
: what a pitch.
|
12:39 |
: If someone doesn’t want to go to class, I’ll write a note for them.
|
12:39 |
: A fan is definitely going to try to fight this ump.
|
12:39 |
: I just have Patton Oswalt humming circus music running on a loop in my head now
|
12:40 |
: just set an alarm and drink some coffee.
|
12:40 |
: coffee is so good.
|
12:40 |
: I once wrote a note for a reader in high school for opening day
|
12:40 |
: You should mostly go to class. School is important, as is your education.
|
12:40 |
: Can you write a note for me if I have to teach a class?
|
12:40 |
: Yeah, hold on.
|
12:41 |
Who wins (T13)
Cubs (47.9% | 82 votes)
Rockies (52.0% | 89 votes)
Total Votes: 171
|
12:41 |
: I’m reviewing some econ notes on sunk costs while watching this game, in case anyone was wondering if irony was dead
|
12:41 |
: Most underrated player of the past 25 years? Mike Cameron gets my vote.
|
12:41 |
: Jim Edmonds
|
12:42 |
: More Rockies articles please
|
12:42 |
: they have a say in that.
|
12:42 |
: Re: class. Most underrated skill in life, autodidacticism.
|
12:43 |
: Yeah, but go to class. Turns out professors are smart and have studied very hard.
|
12:43 |
: Just woke up here in Germany. Went to check last night’s score. Holy crap! This game is still goong on? Morning baseball!
|
12:43 |
: How much worse would this be if Manfred’s dumbass rule of having a guy at 2nd existed?
|
12:44 |
: It’s 2018. They’d still be playing somehow because the world is hell.
|
12:44 |
: Here BK, you’ll be all set.
|
12:44 |
:
|
12:44 |
: Fatigue = lack of offense in late extras?
|
12:44 |
: Dan, I have class Friday during the Indians-Astros game. I’ll take that note.
|
12:45 |
: Gun to your head … you need the batter to reach base on this plate appearance. Do you bat Jason Heyward or Rafael Palmeiro? Tough call, I think.
|
12:45 |
: Doesn’t help but pitchers are tired too
|
12:45 |
: Why do you guys point guns to head for baseball questions?
|
12:45 |
: Extra innings food, 13th inning edition: a baker’s dozen donuts with lots of sprinkles.
|
12:45 |
: Most underrated pitcher of the past 25 years?
|
12:45 |
: Uh oh
|
12:45 |
: Morning Cats! Dreaming of Oktoberfest…
|
12:46 |
: A lot of possibilities-Santana, Lee, maybe Brandon Webb on some level.
|
12:46 |
: Dear Cubs Manager – Please excuse the Cubs from their teaching duties on 10/3/18. They have come down with a case of being dead. They ought to be able to resume their normal schedule by 10/4/18 or after they’re eliminated, whichever comes first.
|
12:46 |
: Javier Baez looks like he needs a hug.
|
12:46 |
: We all do
|
12:47 |
: I swear A-Rod said devil instead of double
|
12:47 |
: #fangraphsafterdark
|
12:47 |
: Meg, Craig, and Dan: Let’s cut the complaining and revel in BASEBALL! MORE BASEBALL! MORE PLAYOFF BASEBALL!
|
12:47 |
: I still get to complain about everything
|
12:47 |
: mussina
|
12:47 |
: Dan go to ESPN2
|
12:47 |
: I’ve been going back and forth.
|
12:48 |
: hard for a guy getting close to induction to be underrated.
|
12:48 |
: I switched becuase I wanted some dad jokes about hugging
|
12:48 |
: just like Bud Black drew it up.
|
12:48 |
: Parra useful: 10/3/18.
|
12:48 |
: It happened earlier!
|
12:48 |
: Roy Oswalt
|
12:49 |
: It feels like the only purpose for the Rockies at bats is to turn the lineup over quicker so Arenado can come back up
|
12:49 |
: Craig how do you feel about Kevin Brown
|
12:49 |
: It’s weird, but you would actually prefer Ian Desmond
|
12:49 |
: very underrated
|
12:49 |
: …just like Bud Black drew it up…
|
12:49 |
: Ah man this game might actually end
|
12:49 |
: Oh my
|
12:50 |
: TONY
|
12:50 |
: Best player alive, I’ve always said so
|
12:50 |
: Here’s the thing though. If Tony Wolters beats you, it wasn’t your year anyway.
|
12:51 |
: None of your notes will work tomorrow. Be at work or be fired.
|
12:51 |
: All babip luck or poor pitch?
|
12:51 |
: is it bad i want the rockies eliminated just because the rocktober stuuff is super dumb
|
12:51 |
: Yes
|
12:52 |
: Dans gonna look real dumb when Tony “2011 David Freese” Wolters shows up in november.
|
12:52 |
: BTW the answer is Javier Vasquez! How many of you knew he has over 50 fWAR include 3 season of 6+?
|
12:52 |
: I mean on the other hand #ThatsCub
|
12:52 |
: I feel a personal sense of joy when pinch hitters succeed. I realize Tony Wolters wasn’t pinch hitting. Shut up. I still feel joy.
|
12:52 |
: None of the postseason hashtags are good
|
12:52 |
: It’s nice to see Tony Wolters bust out of this slump he’s been in over his career.
|
12:52 |
: Marketing is generally pretty inauthentic
|
12:53 |
: Is it bad I want the Cubs eliminated just because of this awful camera angle?
|
12:53 |
: Truly as good a reason as any
|
12:53 |
: they will combat that next year with #Authentic
|
12:53 |
: If the Rockies win the World Series, Szymborski will still be like, “If you let a team that gives this many PAs to Gerardo Parra and Ian Desmond win the World Series, you should cancel baseball.”
|
12:53 |
: I agree.
|
12:54 |
: Bad process, good results
|
12:54 |
: You know what they say, trust the results.
|
12:54 |
: But I’ll survive because it’ll make Rockies fans so angry for YEARS when I note that the Rockies won the Series despite Desmond and Parra
|
12:54 |
: Did… did they just say jug runs?
|
12:54 |
: Royals fans are *still* angry when I bash Alcides Escobar
|
12:55 |
: I’m used to bad process, bad results
|
12:55 |
: you have forgotten dumb luck.
|
12:55 |
: If Cubs lose, a lot of it is Contreras’s fault. He didn’t even TRY to give Story a hug before letting him score.
|
12:56 |
: No we arent. Escobar is a dumpster fire.
|
12:56 |
: Oh, I got those on Twitter!
|
12:56 |
: If my Rockies win the Series it will be despite Desmond and Parra.
|
12:56 |
: Kiss Alcides’s ring, Dan!!
|
12:57 |
: The only fans who consistently don’t like me are Mariners fans when I talk about BaseRuns records.
|
12:57 |
: gore homers here
|
12:57 |
: Reminder: The Cubs popped champagne for this.
|
12:58 |
: It is ok to be happy and celebrate incremental accomplishments
|
12:58 |
: Getting to the end of the season is amazing
|
12:58 |
: Dan, as a Reds fan, I am still angry at you for bringing up Reggie Sanders’ playoff WPA like an hour ago
|
12:58 |
: Dan – was the intensity of some of those Escobar tweets kind of scary for you?
|
12:58 |
: They would be for someone not used to it!
|
12:58 |
: Is this Gore’s first game with multiple PA’s?
|
12:58 |
: I don’t know.
|
12:59 |
: Why is Gore not being pinch hit for
|
12:59 |
: they have nobody else
|
12:59 |
: Oh god, Gore just got a HBP triple
|
12:59 |
: that’s not good.
|
12:59 |
: Robo ump would have taken that much better than old-fashioned meatspace ump.
|
12:59 |
: He had one other with multiple PAs
|
1:00 |
: Guys I think we all need to brace ourselves for even MORE announcers pleading for bunts throughout the playoffs. THEY WILL DIE ON THIS HILL.
|
1:00 |
: Jeter would be on the ground writhing
|
1:00 |
: I’m not sure that hit him. Is that reviewable?
|
1:00 |
: Yes
|
1:01 |
: Nobody in the history of the game should have taken a pitch more than Gore right there
|
1:01 | : Terrance Gore’s last game with 2 or more PAs |
1:01 |
: Meg your tweet made my night.
|
1:01 |
: (I swear I didn’t put that in here)
|
1:02 |
: Who is objectively the handsomest baseball pkayer on either of these teams?
|
1:02 |
: 3-2 count now
|
1:02 |
: The very nice young(ish) woman I was in Denver with swooned over Charlie Blackmon
|
1:02 |
: he swung at a ball.
|
1:02 |
: Iran Desmond!
|
1:03 |
: Has she ever seen Charlie Blackmon? He has a mullet!
|
1:03 |
: She has a beard thing
|
1:03 |
: Ian Desmond is insanely handsome. This has been my handsome take.
|
1:03 |
: Throwing Gore a ball on a 3-2 pitch? That’s … brave or exceedingly stupid.
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1:03 |
: Gore swings like a six-year-old.
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1:03 |
: A thing can be two things.
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1:04 |
: To be fair, Gore also looks like a six year old.
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1:04 |
: Excuse the swear but
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Ump has been standing for almost 5 hours. If I stood for 5 hours straight I’d be in such a bag of shit mood.
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1:04 |
: Seriously, shouldn’t a manager tell Gore to take no matter what on a 3-2 count?
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1:04 |
: Imagine being stood there for 5 hours then betting nailed in the arm/chest by a fastball
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1:05 |
: Seems unpleasant
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1:05 |
: Oh well. This has gone badly. But I really shouldn’t be upset about 4 straight 90-win seasons, right?
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: If you are Gore, you really going to listen? Is it going to prevent him from getting his next job as guy who they try not to have hit?
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: I think what I’ve come around to on being upset is feel upset if you are upset. It is disappointing for you! We should all remember that other people aren’t going to be upset for us necessarily though. I don’t mean that snarkily.
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1:06 |
: down to their final strike.
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: I just think it is useful.
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1:06 |
: HUGS!
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1:06 |
: I guess I will put the 14th inning four-bean salad back in the fridge.
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1:06 |
: SO MANY HUGS!
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1:06 |
: only four beans? SMDH
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1:06 |
: Wowzers.
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1:07 |
: Alright team, management has informed us that we can all go to bed, and so I think we shall.
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1:07 |
: In our own homes, but to bed in those homes.
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1:07 |
: Goodnight everyone!
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1:07 |
: Thanks for hanging out with us!
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1:07 |
: Rough ending to a really good Cubs season, but I’m interested to see what the Rockies rotation does against the Brewers.
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1:07 |
: I hope you have night rerrors dan
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1:07 |
: Good night.
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1:07 |
: You’re all delightful baseball weirdos and we appreciate you spending your evening with us.
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1:08 |
: grown humans celebrating unscripted is entertaining television
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1:08 |
: Night errors sounds like what a baseball obsessed parent calls his kid wetting the bed
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1:08 |
: It is indeed.
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1:08 |
: *I’m* not the one that let Tony Wolters hit a baseball!
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1:08 |
: Dan, stop putting new comments in! It is time for sleeping!
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1:09 |
: I can talk until someone hits end chat!
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1:09 |
: THATS THE LAW
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1:09 |
: On that note! Night all! Back again tomorrow!
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1:09 |
: OH GOT 27 SECONDS LEFT
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1:09 |
: You keep doing you, Dan
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1:09 |
: #RESIST!
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1:09 |
: wolters hair though
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1:09 |
: Lightning round!
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1:09 |
: no spaghetti
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None of my comments posted in 10 min. Thanks for the chat!
Well you got your look in eventually buddy congrats