Pick the Better 2017 Hitter

Imagine how Jason Heyward would feel if the Cubs didn’t win the World Series. On one side of the coin, any non-championship season falls short because of countless different reasons, and on the other side of the coin, Heyward still has to care the most about his own performance. But for as bad as he was, at least the title took the edge off. He remained an outstanding defender. And the team around him literally won everything you could win. Bad, though. Jason Heyward’s hitting was bad. Maybe worse than you thought. Maybe exactly as bad as you thought.

Here are three numbers:

  • BA: .255
  • OBP: .306
  • SLG: .336

Pretty bad performance from Jason Heyward, you’d say. You’d be right! But you’d also be wrong, because those three numbers were posted by Jose Iglesias. Heyward’s hitting was even worse. He wasn’t supposed to become an outfield version of the no-hit shortstoppy whiz.

By wRC+, Heyward finished in an Iglesias and Alcides Escobar sandwich. Heyward wound up at 72, where the year before he’d finished at 120. Since making his debut, Heyward’s career wRC+ had been 118. He turned just 27 years old in August. Heyward didn’t have the biggest offensive collapse of all time — by some measurements, that’s Bryce Harper! — but it was huge, and it felt like it came almost out of nowhere.

Heyward finished with a sub-.100 ISO. That’s Alexei Ramirez territory. He also led all qualified hitters in soft-hit rate, beating out Iglesias and Jonathan Schoop. For the first time as a big-leaguer, Heyward was a below-average hitter against fastballs, so, not coincidentally, he saw what was easily a career-high rate of fastballs. Heyward wound up slow to get around, and we all saw the results. I’ve also just now detailed them, to serve as a reminder.

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Okay! So, I’m sure I don’t need to say more about what’s already happened. What I’m interested in instead is what you think is going to happen, in the season ahead. We’re all familiar with the concept of regression to the mean, and I presume we all have some understanding of how it works. Now, very clearly, Heyward is a positive regression candidate. At the same time, Heyward is a guy Cubs fans watched on a near-daily basis. Signs of life were few and far between. Regression is an easy thing to believe in in general, mostly because it’s a real thing that exists, but it doesn’t end up applying to everyone. I’m curious to know whether people see Heyward as a good bounce-back candidate, or more of a lost cause.

Unsurprisingly, some work is already underway. Heyward was never going to accept what just happened without fighting back, so he’s set about trying to repair his swing. His target is the swing that he had in 2012, when he was a near-7-win player. That year he knocked a career-high 27 dingers. In theory, everything sounds great, and Heyward needed to change something. But then, Heyward has never been shy about changing his mechanics. He lost those old mechanics before, for whatever reason, and there’s no guarantee he can get all the way back. It’s just the thing he’s trying to do. It stands to reason he’ll look different come February, when action picks up.

Out of curiosity, I did do a little bit of research. Heyward is a guy who just lost 48 points of wRC+ in consecutive years as a guy still in his 20s. I went all the way back to 1900 and looked at guys who lost at least 40 points of wRC+ in consecutive years while in their 20s. I set minimums of 500 plate appearances in each season. On average, the players lost 48 wRC+ points. The next year, they re-gained an average of 17 points.

I then narrowed to guys who lost at least 40 points of wRC+, and were also below-average hitters. On average, the players lost 49 wRC+ points. The next year, they re-gained an average of 20 points.

Based on history, one shouldn’t expect Heyward to get all the way back. Darin Erstad, as one negative example, stopped hitting at 27, and that was that. As a positive example, consider Jason Kipnis, who didn’t hit at all at 27. He picked things up the next year like nothing happened, and Kipnis today is one of the better everyday infielders in the game. As is always the case, there are encouraging comps and discouraging comps, meaning we can’t know for sure where Heyward will settle.

But that doesn’t mean people don’t have guesses, and that doesn’t mean people don’t have feelings. Now, in this post, I’m not asking for a straight-up Jason Heyward projection. I wanted to make things a little more fun, so we’ll double up by also considering one of Heyward’s teammates. Heyward finished last year with a .282 wOBA. Addison Russell finished with a .316 wOBA. Heyward was a bad hitter. Russell was a fine hitter. Russell, also, turns just 23 in a few days.

So based on everything that people saw last season, Russell is much more dangerous at the dish. That being said, Steamer projects Heyward to be the better hitter in 2017, by a wOBA difference of 15 points. And ZiPS projects Heyward to be the better hitter in 2017, by a wOBA difference of five points. The numbers are different but the meanings are the same: Our projection tools don’t mind what just happened so much. Projection systems know all about Russell’s age, but they also know about his skillset, and about what Heyward has done. The projection systems themselves didn’t watch these players last year, not in the way that you might’ve. The systems are guessing, based on history. You might believe that, in these cases, history is misleading.

We’ve finally gotten all the way to the end. We know what Heyward was, and we know what Russell was. We don’t know what they’ll be, but we’ve all got our inklings. I have but one question to ask of you, and in order to gather additional information, I want you to select a poll based on how you identify as a fan. I’d like for Cubs fans to keep to one poll, while non-Cubs fans keep to the other. The instructions are simple! Which player do you think will hit better this coming season? Do you believe what the projections say, or do you think you just saw too much?

I’m interested in how this is going to go. Thank you, as always, for your assistance.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Oliver
9 years ago

Ill take Mike Trout

JEdwardMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Oliver

Bold.

Whiffey
9 years ago

I would love the know what Heyward’s number were before his beaning in the face and after? Seems to me his hands are jittery and he never loads now…at least not on time?

Rufus T. FireflyMember since 2019
9 years ago
Reply to  Whiffey

Per Whiffey’s wondering, I wonder about the psychological component of Heyward’s struggles. Changing mechanics all the time seems a symptom of a lack of confidence, overthinking. Eno, how many players get some form of psychotherapy? You have any feel for that? They’re under such public pressure through the meat grinder of a season….Ugh.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Whiffey

Jim Rice was older, 33, but much better, then when he lost it, he lost it. His hands were certainly in a terrible position to start and his load was always late but is that reason enough for the complete collapse. If you lose the quickness and can’t catch up to the fastball there is nothing that can really be done. Can a change in technique and approach really help? We shall find out.

jpgMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Whiffey

Well he put up a 109 wRC+ the following year and a 120 wRC+ the year after that. I’d say the beaning has nothing to do with his collapse this past year. His hitting mechanics have always been wonky.

chuckbMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Whiffey

This wouldn’t be that hard to figure out. The date has got to be easily found online and then you can use game logs either at B-R or here to calculate the numbers you want.

ChippersJonesing
9 years ago
Reply to  scotman144

But he had one of his best years in 2015, after the beaning, so it seems weird to draw a correlation between the beaning and his fall off.

scotman144Member since 2016
9 years ago

Correlation =! Causation strikes again. I mostly just had fun pulling those splits up in < 1 minute.

Whiffey
9 years ago
Reply to  scotman144

Thanks for the stats, which might say I was wrong to imply the beaning had any role on his seeming poor play. I just know what I see, and thats lots of weak ground balls to second or pop-ups.

The Ghost of Johnny Dickshot
9 years ago
Reply to  Whiffey

This should be fairly easy to find using Baseball Reference or any other stat tool.

London Yank
9 years ago

Heyward certainly did not look like a true talent 120 wRC+ hitter when I saw him last year. He looked late on fastballs and early on breaking balls, and basically overmatched all the time. I suspect a lot of his lost wRC+ from 2015 was actually due to becoming a worse hitter for some reason, rather than just bad luck. If this is the case, regression to the mean is not going to help him. He will need to regain his previous approach somehow.

I think this is actually more common than we acknowledge. Fluctuations in performance are often explained as good or bad luck on balls in play, however sometimes it really is to do with fluctuations in ability. Joe Torre took a l lot of flack for dropping Arod in the batting order during the 2006 playoffs, but Torre was probably correct for doing so. Arod is a player that needed his confidence to be able to perform. Most of the time he had it, but when he lost it, he really lost it, and it was readily apparent that he was a very different hitter.

Because baseball is the most individual of team sports, nerves play a huge role in performance. The players are amazing at controlling their emotions, but they are still human.

ForrestMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

You may have thought he didn’t look like a 120 wRC+ hitter, but the Cubs gave him 180MM over 8 either way so they must have seen something.

London Yank
9 years ago
Reply to  Forrest

I thought he didn’t look like a 120 wRC+ hitter last year with the Cubs. The Cubs would not have given him $180M if he had played like he did last year in St. Louis.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
9 years ago

I remember when Heyward came up as the #1 prospect in baseball, scouts raved about his bat. He came up as a 20 year old rookie and posted an incredibly promising 134 wRC+. He’s failed to reach that mark since then. While he’s been a valuable player up to this point in his career, I couldn’t imagine what would be if he continued to progress (offensively) after his rookie season. I’m assuming he’d be a clone of Mookie Betts.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Now that would be a clone that I would pay to see. Two Mookies aren’t much bigger than one Heyward.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
9 years ago

I picked Heyward, only because I don’t expect much for either player in 2017. My 2016 Expected wOBA pegged Heyward at .313 and Russell at .307. That’s roughly where I expect each hitter to be in 2017.

AlMember since 2016
9 years ago

I feel like Heyward is going to do better on a rate basis but get significantly fewer at bats due to getting pulled/platooned against tough lefties. Voted Heyward-non-cubs-fan. Sorry if thats a cop out.

brad.vargas
9 years ago

Heyward is one of MLB’s the biggest flops. He had a blip uptick in 2015, but I see no reason to believe he will get any better. I saw him in person his first game with ATL (and a few more games since) and watched most of his games as a Brave. His potential was sky high. However, he hasn’t learned to handle inside pitches and after 7 years I don’t see him ever improving. You are looking at max 15 HRs and .260 BA. Do you realize that of the 268 MLB hitters with a minimum of 300 PA’s he ranked 247th in RC/G and 249th in wRC. Heyward ranked 186 in RC, but no one with fewer RC’s had as many PA’s. Heyward had 45 more PA’s than the closest. The Cubs made a huge mistake signing Heyward.

Anonymous
9 years ago
Reply to  brad.vargas

You know his defense is pretty good, right?

brad.vargas
9 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

You are telling me you trust the defensive WAR component that say he is a better overall RF than Stanton and Harper? The Cubs can keep Heyward, but wait until they start losing. The fans will start dumping on him.

JUICEMANE
9 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Hey, here is a troll for a troll…Dusty Baker isn’t the Reds manger anymore.

you know that, right?

ChippersJonesing
9 years ago
Reply to  brad.vargas

This is a weird post that seems to ignore the majority of his career when he was one of the more valuable players in baseball, which makes it tough to believe he’s “one of the MLB’s biggest flops.”

brad.vargas
9 years ago

You saw him play here and you think he was one of the most valuable players in the league? That’s a joke. He was only valuable on defense which I believe all the WAR calculators overvalue. He can’t hit his way out of a paper bag. He is so big and strong he should be hitting 25 Hrs per year at a minimum. His best hitting year was as a rookie with wRC+ of 134. Even as the 2nd best defensive RF in the game last year he finished with a 1.6 FWAR and a 1.5 BWAR. So even if you think the defensive rating system is valid or under-valued, he was basically the worst hitting full time player last season. Yes, I call that a flop.

White Jar
9 years ago
Reply to  brad.vargas

Obviously the Cubs were expecting to get more out of him based on how they paid him. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t help them win games overall. They clearly didn’t need his bat and their pitchers benefited greatly from his glove. Anybody that paid attention can see that he brings too much value to a team to call him a flop regardless of his bat.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
9 years ago

Also I think Heyward is a good example of where projection systems miss. Here’s an interesting tidbit: Heyward is currently projected for more WAR in 2017 than Yoenis Cespedes. Now, does anyone really expect Heyward to be better than Cespedes in 2017, after watching both players perform in 2017? Additionally, we have exit velocity data to back up our observation that Cespedes absolutely stung the ball in the air (16th in average exit velocity) while Heyward struggled mightily (208th out of 256 qualifiers).

Another reason to take the team/player projections with a giant grain of salt. Until they start using more advanced data (like exit velocity, for instance), it’s hard to take them as gospel.

jpgMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

Yeah but in fairness, the projection systems don’t know that Cespedes won’t be splitting his time in CF. Steamer is projecting only 2.8 WAR for Cespedes because they’re projecting him as a -3 defender. In reality, Cespedes is a +10 defender if he plays exclusively in left which would push him to a 4 WAR projection. But your overall point regarding projection systems is correct.

rosen380
9 years ago
Reply to  jpg

Or to put it another way — STEAMER projects Cespedes to be worth 5.5 more runs offensively [inc base running] than Heyward and STEAMER projects Heyward to be 12.8 runs better in the field.

Is it really controversial to suggest that Heyward is a better fielder and Cespedes the better hitter?

Noah BaronMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  rosen380

Cespedes should be waaaaay more than 5.5 runs better offensively. There is a 6 MPH FB/LD exit velocity gap between the two players, and that’s not even accounting for the fact that Heyward mostly hits ground balls, giving him fewer opportunities to get extra base hits.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

Love when people down-vote me yet are unwilling to reply to my comment.

brad.vargas
9 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

Yes, you are being truthful about the worst hitting full time player last season. They think his defensive value is so great that hitting doesn’t matter. It’s not like he is a great defensive catcher or SS. He is an outfielder where you expect 20- 25 HR’s per year. They also forget that he is getting older and his body will start betraying him in the outfield. Cubs made a bad decision to sign him for that amount of money.

Big Daddy V
9 years ago

We don’t get to vote on whether Iglesias will be better again?

LHPSU
9 years ago
Reply to  Big Daddy V

He probably will be. Not much upside, but he’s a .270 hitter if he gets his BABIP back to .300.

maumanntsMember since 2022
9 years ago

Player A: .230/.306/.325, 7 HR, 49 RBI, 70 OPS+
Player B: .254/.297/.378, 7 HR, 34 RBI, 81 OPS+

Player A is Jason Heyward. Player B is Jeff Franceour.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  maumannts

Pay the man!

SteveM
9 years ago

This piece focused on Heyward’s offensive offense, and fair enough; he fairly sucked. The subsequent comments, however, that are rather dismissive of his overall value very much miss the majority of his contribution. He remains an excellent defender by all measures. RF may not be the most critical position on the field, but Heyward excels there nonetheless, and saves his team quite a few runs in the process. Just sayin’.

brad.vargas
9 years ago
Reply to  SteveM

You are the first person that pointed out this was a hitting focused article. However, “fairly sucked” offensively is being kind. He was basically the least valuable hitter last season for any full time player (by wRC+).

JUICEMANE
9 years ago

Ooooooo! You posted an anti-Jason Heyward article…BAD IDEA…I’ve experimented with this…all the fangraphs’ police commenters are gonna hunt you down and tell you his defense was good.

Paul22
9 years ago

Got to admit I was not a fan of the signing because I did not trust his bat. His bat has sunk to lows even I could not fathom, and now the hope changes from him breaking out and being a great hitter, but to just getting back to where he was, which was good but not really what you want for a guy making what he does. Defense is good, but defense is a dime a dozen. Plenty of great defensive players with no bat. Minors are filled with them. His bat got to come around or Theo just pulled another Carl Crawford.

Careless
9 years ago

Looks like the non-Cubs fans are slightly more optimistic about Heyward going forward.

Kyle Sharamitaro
9 years ago

What, do yo think, are the chances that Cubs fans are ruining the integrity of this poll by voting in both polls?