Prospect Roundup: Cronenworth, McKenzie, Skubal, and More
We’re a week from the Trade Deadline and still, almost all of the available information on pro prospects is limited to the big league level. That’s where I’ve been focusing my attention, with new player opinions then reflected on The Board, to which I made the following updates over the weekend.
Entering the 100
Padres infielder Jake Cronenworth becomes the first 2020 Pick to Click to, well, click. He moves into the top 100, ranked 93rd. At 26.6 years old, he becomes the oldest player on the hundred, pacing A’s catcher Sean Murphy by about seven months. Most of his pre-season scouting report holds water except that Cronenworth suddenly has relevant pop. He hit a ball 110 mph this year, up from a max of 106 mph last season in the minors. He now looks like an everyday player at a premium position rather than a super utility type, so he slots into the top 100 ahead of similar players who are a couple years away (like Brayan Rocchio) but behind players who are either there or who are close but much younger (like Washington infielder Luis García).
Cleveland righty Triston McKenzie made his big league debut in what was his first competitive game since 2018 due to multiple injuries and the global pandemic. Not only is he healthy, but McKenzie is throwing harder. His fastball lived in the 90-93 range in 2018 and was 90-94 this spring as he prepared for the season. He’s now living in the 93-96 range and leaned on the heater in big spots during his debut, shaking off Roberto Pérez to get to it. Hopes that McKenzie would eventually develop a third pitch have more than come to fruition, as both his slider and changeup have evolved to complement the fastball/curveball combo that headlines his arsenal.
So how about Dane Dunning? The 25-year-old, who debuted last week, also had not pitched since 2018, with his layoff due to Tommy John surgery. His stuff looked as it did pre-surgery, with the fastball in the 91-94 range, and both breaking balls effective.
Both Dunning and McKenzie were 45 FV prospects before play began this summer. McKenzie’s velo bump and repertoire development have pushed him into the 50 FV tier, while Dunning stays put.
I also extended the 60 FV and 55 FV tiers down a few prospects without changing anyone’s order. This is the sort of thing that typically happens naturally during the minor league season, both as players change and as their roster timelines progress. Without minor league games or scout access to alternate training sites, player progression is harder to track. But 40-man timelines progress nonetheless, so the likes of Bobby Witt Jr., and CJ Abrams are moving up. These changes better reflect where I think the talent drops off on the list. I still put “up arrow” indicators next to these players on The Board so you can see who they are.
Sliding Around Some Older Relievers
I’m still trying to polish how I value late-inning relief prospects who are also much older than other prospects. Clearly some of the trades made by Tampa Bay (for Nick Anderson and Pete Fairbanks) are an indication that this is a player demographic I’m undervaluing.
Speaking of Fairbanks, his release point has changed and he’s now got better vertical separation between his fastball (which still cuts sometimes) and his curveball. He’s moving into the 45 FV tier, which is rarefied air for pure relievers.
Two Blue Jays relievers have moved up. Julian Merryweather, 29, looks healthy and is throwing even harder than he did last fall, when he sat 95-97. He’s now sitting 96-99 and has a four pitch mix. 27-year-old Jordan Romano is throwing two ticks harder than he did last year and his slider has climbed a remarkable 5 mph. Both velocity bumps have coincided with a release point change; he goes from off the Toronto list entirely to firmly in the 40 FV tier. Rangers reliever Jonathan Hernandez, who moves into the 40+ FV tier, has also had a little velo bump and is also throwing many more of his pitches in the zone, with his Zone% climbing from 32% to 41%. I considered making a similar change to Astros lefty Blake Taylor, but his walk rate has regressed toward his career mean lately.
Catchers
Sean Murphy deserves to climb to the 55 FV tier based on how well he’s played so far. He’s in the top 10 in WAR among catchers and has the highest average exit velo of all big league backstops. Twins catcher and Pick to Click Ryan Jeffers has been thrust into the starting lineup because of Mitch Garver’s injury and could soon be on the 100.
Specific Things You Should Be Watching for From the Guys You Should Be Watching
Expanded rosters and the postseason picture mean that teams are more motivated and able to put their prospects on the active roster, and there are dozens of good young players either getting everyday reps for rebuilding teams or playing a bit part for a contender. A large contingent of these players are hyper-aggressive hitters with red flag walk rates. Watching really talented guys like Francisco Mejía and Adalberto Mondesi struggle because they can’t stop themselves from swinging at everything has been instructive for gauging prospects with epicurean approaches. I considered moving Dodgers corner bat Edwin Ríos into the 40+ FV tier because he generates such huge power with comical ease, but he still hasn’t walked this year and I think proactive swinging on that level would be exploited were he to get everyday reps. Several of the Orioles’ (Anthony Santander, Ryan Mountcastle, Austin Hays) and Marlins’ (Jesús Sánchez, Monte Harrison, Lewis Brinson, Magneuris Sierra) young outfielders have strikeout problems that are driven by approach issues, at least in part, and each group will be an interesting case study in whether that trait can improve with time or is a constant.
Does the Stuff Play?
As I’ve stated several times before, I’ve learned a lot about how and why fastballs actually work in the last couple of years, and I’m more apt to optimistically project pitchers whose fastballs have backspin and carry rather than tail and sink. It’s why I slid Kyle Wright down the overall list before the season, though even I didn’t expect things would be this rocky for the former top-ranked draft prospect. He has fallen out of the top 100 and into the 40+ FV tier of the Braves list. There are a few other famous sink/tail guys up now, including Sixto Sánchez, Jesús Luzardo, Dustin May, Brady Singer, Brusdar Graterol and Adrian Morejon. Any Morejon start is mandatory viewing for prospect nerds since Luis Patiño is piggybacking with him.
In Tarik Skubal’s offseason blurb, I wrote that last year he threw an overwhelming majority of fastballs, much more than is typical for a non-sinkerballer. His usage has been more varied in his two short big league outings, but his fastball command is still pretty raw for a 23-year old and he has some release point variance that might enable hitters to pick up pitch type out of hand until he becomes more consistent.
Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.
Has anyone gotten a better idea of whether the hype for Jasson Dominguez is earned?
I heard James Anderson say that he looks like he has added a ton of muscle. Like, too much muscle. Haven’t specifically heard anything on performance, but it seems like that is hard to get a read on this year with the Alternate Site situation.
Will be interesting to see what Cleveland does going forward, now that they potentially have 6 quality starters. On the one hand, you can never have enough starters. On the other hand, they desperately need more hitters. Clevinger seems the most likely to be traded given the fact that 1) he’s an established 4 WAR starter and 2) he’s only under team control for another 2-3 years. His recent behavior likely increases the chance that Cleveland decides to move on.
A little early to call McKenzie a quality starter off 1 start against one of the worst offenses in baseball, especially given that he hasn’t pitched in 2 years.
Which is why I wrote: “POTENTIALLY have 6 quality starters”. (emphasis added).
Needs more emphasis.
Ha, I’ll try to do better next time! 🙂
Guys get hurt, especially pitchers. I wondered how the White Sox would deploy 7 starters over 60 games. Well…one opted out, 2 went on the IL and all of a sudden they have to have a bullpen game and then Dane Dunning makes his MLB debut before the season is a month old.
Sure, but the Indians need to do something to improve their offense, both in the short-term and the long-term. They have the starting pitching to keep themselves competitive for a while. But that offense is horrible. And is only going to get worse once they lose Lindor and some others. We know they’re not going to sign any major free agents. Which means trading one of their starting pitchers may be their only recourse.
Also, the pipeline doesn’t end with McKenzie.
They still have quality arms on the farm.
The thing is the players seem to be really mad at Clevinger.
Even if he isn’t traded he might not pitch again this year. And that is starting to hurt. Right now they *need* McKenzie to live up to his ceiling.
He’s apparently pitching tomorrow
Maybe “all is forgiven”, maybe they’re desperate, or maybe they’re showcasing him.
We’ll know by Tuesday.
I’ve seen most of the innings Jeffers has caught since he was called up to the Twins. Pleasantly surprised by his pitch framing ability.
Padres homer so that should be considered. But I believe Cronenworth is more deserving of a 55 or maybe even low end 60 than 50. The thing with Cronenworth is his batted ball data is very good. He is 10th in barrell rate, 43rd in average exit velocity. He is a crazy 2nd in xWOBA, only behind Juan Soto. Furthermore his defense has looked good and he’s athletic, nowhere am i saying he’s a future mvp candidate. But to me his profile is that of a above average regular with possibly some 4+ war years. That’s more than a 50
Honestly, it’s probably safer to go with Eric’s ranking. His steps forward came only last year, and before that he was more on the fringes of the prospect lists than a prominent member on it (he wasn’t even on the Rays’ 2019 list whatsoever). Between that lack of a track record and possible good luck helping his performance (especially when looking at BABIP), it makes sense for him to go with a 50 FV instead of higher after already being pretty aggressive with a 45 FV in the 2020 rankings.
As data changes so should opinions. And it continues to be supported that what player cronenworth was before last year has nothing to do with what he is now. He might be on a hot streak, but there is a lot of room between his wRC+ and a low end 60 FV. 50 feels like a misevaluation to me, everything suggests the numbers cronenworth has put up are legit and earned. Look at prospects in same area, Geraldo Perdomo, Orelvis Martinez (who I actually think should be higher), Alexander Vargas, Luis Garcia. These aren’t guys exactly screaming with a long track record
If your data is a true talent measurement, this makes sense. However, at any given time, we get a view that is part true talent, part variance. As more data comes in, you update your opinion – but it’s unwise to throw away old data, you weight it less.
Throwing a 55 or 60 FV on Cronenworth is too much. There really isn’t much a prospect could do (outside of going like 50-50 with 50HR) to move their rating that much. This is to avoid recency bias, and to be a bit of a Bayesian. It works better over time than whipsawing opinions based on a narrow slice of time.
If I was going by recency bias I’d ask why he isn’t a top 10 prospect (which he obviously isn’t). Based on last year and this year, the info suggests that cronenworth a former fringy prospect profiles as more than a low end regular. There isn’t 1 current weakness in his game and he’s continually hitting the ball with power. If his xwoba of 500 going to be his level going forward? Of course not, but between contact skills, at least adequate power (probably plus), a good glove at 2B, and + speed how does this not lead to a lower end 60 FV?
Actually he has had bad luck via savant, one of the unluckiest hitters in the MLB.
Last I checked a few days ago here was his percentile ranking :
100 xBA (i.e highest expected batting average in the MLB)
99 xSLG
99 xwOBA
94 Sprint Speed
89 whiff %
88 K%
83 barrel %
75 exit velocity
This was before the last few games, so if anything I’d imagine it went up. He is expected thus far to have the best batting line in the entire MLB, and his actual batting line isn’t far off. His current line is .347/427/627. His expected line is .402/507/764. Now obviously no one is that good, but it actually marks up with the eye test. He has lined out more times than anyone I have ever seen. According to baseball savant he has been one of the unluckiest hitters in the MLB. The only hitter who has a higher expected slugging or ops is Soto, and no one has a higher expected batting average. Oh yea, and he pitches, plays every position well, and is in the top 6% of runners in the MLB.
I think the Padres have dropped his pitching, saw some stuff to suggest he didn’t even throw a pen over the spring
As a Padres fan, I have been stunned. I assumed a guy in mid-20s without any MLB time was a utility guy at best. Watching him I agree that most of the outs seem very loud. Also, his selectivity has shot up with his O Swing is 20.8% and improving, so his BB rate has been improving. His ISO is .280 though only 3 HRs, but 50% of his hits are XBH’s. His other metrics look in line with his minors, just his power has exploded. Maybe a blip, or maybe he aged into a stronger body.
So far, he has done everything insanely well. Right now he is the team’s second best hitter after Tatis Jr., and quietly giving him a run for his money.
The only thing that is a bit different is that he is pulling a ton more instead of using all the field as he did in the minors. Maybe this was an adjustment for more power, would like to see him use all fields.
I would not change his FV yet, but if this holds up for another month and into next year, he could be a very good player.
Good stuff. You are the BEST
Where you only describe release point changes generally it would be great to know if that’s actually a lower point, higher point, results from a shorter arm path, etc. if that info is available.
Fangraphs tweeted some bullet points of this article, but it included something not mentioned here:
Drew Waters being bumped down to 50 FV. Why is that?
The Board still has him at 55 FV
Is Robert performing right now as you thought he would at peak? He’s got the huge strikeout, chase, and whiff rate red flags but is still producing like a star because mistake pitches to him get blasted into orbit. Have you seen enough to bump him to a 65 FV yet?
Seeing Mckenzie pull out a changeup against his first hitter was a pleasant surprise. For the Tigers, not so much. When was the last time a started debuted with such little present scouting to go on? That mixed with a bad lineup was prime for a good debut. I came away encouraged by his command and delivery, so hopefully he can stay on the field because it looks like he belongs.
I was stunned when I saw that McKenzie was going to start after not appearing in a game since 2018. I was even more stunned when he looked like Jacob deGrom. (At least for one night)
McKenzie and Honeywell both have among the best stuff/command combos among prospects. Both are quite easily top 50 prospects (being conservative) based on just that combo. Injuries have plagued both and McKenzie’s body doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in health. Both can be top 30 starters with just reasonable health
Thought Keibert Ruiz hitting a home run on his first swing would at least get a sentence in the catching category.
How fixable is Kyle Wright?
I’m nitpicking because I know what you meant (approach issue generally), but I’ve always thought of those O’s bats as having a walk problem as opposed to a strikeout problem (more in the Adam Jones/Jonathan Schoop mold). None of them are anywhere near Rios. Santander in particular has run a sub 20% K rate in over 650 PA in the big leagues.
Monte Harrison has more than just approach issues. You don’t K in half of your PAs without multiple things not working.
McKenzie’s debut was impressive, no doubt. But is it just me, or was that heater he was throwing straight with almost no movement?