Rays Trade for Older Christian Yelich
At 53-53, the Rays aren’t bad, but they’re also not anywhere close to the race. At 54-52, the Cardinals aren’t much better, but a wild-card slot remains within reach. Given that, you’d think, if anything, the Cardinals would be improving, while the Rays would be selling. Instead, we have a trade that goes in the other direction. It’s a little bit of a surprising deadline maneuver, yet the Rays are gearing up for a run next season. And the Cardinals are just making more room for Harrison Bader and Tyler O’Neill. I’ll give you the specifics:
Rays get:
- Tommy Pham
- $500,000 international bonus-pool money
Cardinals get:
On the surface, you can understand the Cardinals’ perspective here. Pham is 30 years old, and his numbers don’t look like they did last season. Pham and the organization haven’t always seen eye-to-eye, and besides, Bader looks like one of the better defensive outfielders in either league, so it makes sense to play him more often. I can see why they might’ve wanted to make a trade. Still, it feels like they’ve sold Pham low. The Rays are getting a possible difference-maker here, and you don’t have to dig too far into the numbers to see it.
Pham is 30, yes. He’s 30, and from last year to this year, his wRC+has dropped from 148 to 101. On the other hand, he’s got three years of arbitration eligibility ahead of him. He runs very well, and for any concerns regarding his durability, over the past year and a half he’s played in 93% of all possible games. Pham is also found around the top of the exit-velocity leaderboards. That leads us into some Statcast-based analysis. There’s how Pham has done by the actual numbers, and there’s how Pham should have done by the expected numbers.
The following table is pulled from Baseball Savant. On the left, you see Pham’s actual wOBAs. On the right, you see his expected wOBAs, based on the batted balls he hit. The last column shows the differences.
| Year | wOBA | xwOBA | Difference |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2015 | 0.352 | 0.352 | 0.000 |
| 2016 | 0.330 | 0.329 | 0.001 |
| 2017 | 0.398 | 0.375 | 0.023 |
| 2018 | 0.319 | 0.369 | -0.050 |
Pham’s actual box-score results have gotten considerably worse. That’s a significant and troubling wOBA drop. But then, looking at expected wOBA, Pham is…basically…the same. That’s just comparing 2017 and 2018, when Pham has been a regular player. Last year, Pham slightly overachieved. This year, the opposite has happened, and Pham has one of the bigger negative differences in baseball. It’s not as if you could blame his speed — again, he’s pretty fast — and while expected wOBA is still something of an experimental statistic, you can just consider some examples from 2017. Through this date a year ago, righties like Manny Machado, Khris Davis, and Nicholas Castellanos were significantly undershooting their expected wOBA marks. Over the final two months, they all showed positive regression. The Rays are believers in how hard Pham hits the ball.
Just for fun, I put together everyone’s 2018 exit velocities, launch angles, chase rates, and contact rates. I wanted to see if there were any good Pham comparisons around. He doesn’t chase very much, and he hits the ball hard, but he also hits the ball low. When I ran the math, the closest Pham comp I found was Christian Yelich. He was followed by Miguel Cabrera, Matt Chapman, and Juan Soto. Let’s take a look at that Yelich thing. Yelich, of course, is a lefty, while Pham is a righty. And while Pham is 30, Yelich is 26. Every team would rather have Yelich on the roster. Still, here’s a table of information stretching back to the start of 2017:
| Player | PA | wRC+ | BB% | K% | BsR | fWAR | bWAR | GB% | Contact% | EV | xwOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Christian Yelich | 1100 | 125 | 10% | 21% | 12 | 7.9 | 7.5 | 56% | 79% | 91 | 0.365 |
| Tommy Pham | 926 | 128 | 12% | 23% | 8 | 7.6 | 7.0 | 52% | 79% | 91 | 0.373 |
Pham and Yelich almost couldn’t look more alike. Handedness and age aside, these lines are almost identical, and both these guys have played a lot of center field. They have almost equivalent sprint speeds. A common complaint about Yelich has been that he hits too many grounders, but that hasn’t held him back from being productive. He was the centerpiece of a major offseason blockbuster. As you see in there, whether you go by FanGraphs’ WAR or Baseball Reference’s WAR, Pham and Yelich have been similarly valuable. I’m certain the Rays have something like this in mind. Pham is either an older Yelich, or a poor man’s Yelich. I lean toward the former. If you believe Pham’s a better hitter than his current wRC+, the Rays just picked up one of the best players on their roster, and he’s controlled for another three years.
Because of Pham’s age, no one should expect him to pick up new skills. He won’t be asked to play center with Tampa — that’s Kevin Kiermaier’s job. Pham should be just fine in a corner, and with him batting around the middle of the lineup, the 2019 Rays will eye a wild-card slot, if not even something better. They’re of course at a tremendous disadvantage when it comes to competing with the Red Sox and Yankees, but the Rays are loaded at the upper levels, and they’ll have good pitchers coming back from surgery. Their window is beginning to open again, and Pham’s timeline fits with their own.
On the Cardinals’ side, this isn’t just a baseball trade. They like Bader, and they like O’Neill, but at least as important as that, they didn’t like Pham as much. Pham and the team didn’t always get along, and regardless of who you blame for that more, some relationships can’t be mended.
As Cras references here, the tension never really abated between Tommy and the front office. Recently he asked for an expensive piece of exercise equipment and became unhappy when the team didn’t provide it. Many small clashes, I’m told by source. TB has been on him a long time. https://t.co/L9FiZ49Rt7
— Mark Saxon (@markasaxon) July 31, 2018
Even as far back as April 2017, the Cardinals were giving Matt Adams starts in the outfield while Pham had to play in Triple-A. Pham made no secret of being displeased, not that that was the only thing going on. The Cardinals could’ve tried to patch things up, but perhaps the relationship was too far gone. At some point, you can’t overcome the impressions you’ve already formed. Pham, then, has been granted a change of scenery. I do think he’s been sold low, but the Cardinals didn’t trade him for nothing.
Williams is a 22-year-old corner outfielder with more talent than polish. He’s been maybe an average hitter in Triple-A, and he’s been trying to lift the ball more often. He has more power than his eight home runs would suggest, and the Cardinals’ player development will now get a chance to pick up where the Rays left off. They’ve had success with inferior skillsets before. Cabrera is a 21-year-old lefty starter in Double-A. His strikeouts have surged forward, but he probably won’t develop enough command to start in the bigs. Ramirez is a 23-year-old righty reliever in Double-A. His strikeouts, too, have surged since he stopped starting. Like virtually any minor-league reliever, he could show up in the bigs at a moment’s notice. You know all the various paths those players can take.
If the Cardinals can turn Williams into a regular, they’ll come away pleased. They have one of the better player-development systems in the game, so as far as Williams’ career is concerned, this is a promising destination. But Williams is far from a lock, and Pham appears to be a good player now. The Rays couldn’t pass that opportunity up, even if Pham isn’t going to push them into the hunt down the stretch. This is an offseason move that’s simply been made some number of months early. The Cardinals will be happy to play more of Bader. The Rays will be happy to have their hands on Pham. The Cardinals’ window of contention seemingly never closes, but the Rays’ is just opening up.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
I love the inside baseball about the expensive piece of exercise equipment. Great piece.
“Bader looks like one of the better defensive outfielders in either league”
Just a note, but that’s an amazing thing to read less than 12 months after almost every prospect prognosticator around said Bader couldn’t even stick in center, despite Davenport’s defensive translations. Good for Bader. I’m glad to see him get a fulltime look after a year and a half knocking on the door.
I think that the issue with Davenport’s defensive translations is that it’s not clear at all how he does it. But it seems surprisingly accurate, so maybe we should just roll with it? I’d still like to know more how it is calculated.
For whatever reason it seems that prospect prognosticators are very hesitant to hand out elite defensive grades.
I don’t recall anyone ever saying Chapman was an elite defender at 3b and over the last year he is in the top 5 *in all of MLB* for defensive value. Defense translates easily from MiLB to MLB too.
I saw someone put a 70 on both his arm and fielding grades when he was in AA. I cannot remember where. Even that is turning out to be conservative, but at least some people were on it.
Hes good. It took me one game of watching him on TV to think that he looked really good. Put another way, he looks unlike Cody Bellinger.
He’s high on the leaderboards on exit velocity, but low (120th per baseball savant) on barrels. There has been talk that his vision issues have resurfaced… solving that is what propelled him to his recent level of success. Comparing him to Yelich is a bit of a stretch.
Over the 2017-2018 year period that was used to find the comparison, Pham has a 9.45 barrel% to Yelich’s 8.6. They both put a few too many balls on the ground.
This year Pham is at 5.3%. Just pointing out that, with his eye issues resurfacing this year, you have to really believe it is an isolated issue this year. The Cardinals have the direct knowledge, so you’d assume they believe it is not given the return they received.
Have there been reports of his eye issue resurfacing? I wouldn’t be surprised if I missed that. I find it surprising that impaired sight wouldn’t have an impact on his exit velocity. His Chase rates and whiff rates are worse than last year though, which might be tied into his eye condition.
No, he just slumped before the All-Star Break. He attributed that to a mechanical change that he spent the break working on.
Barrels can be informative, but they also have arbitrary cutoff points. I don’t see how his drop in barrels could lead you to concluding that his eye issues have come back (especially when his other statcast metrics look good)
That is not even what Jeff is referencing. He used xwOBA, which of course takes into account how hard Pham is hitting the ball, but it is also looking at the K and BB numbers he is actually putting up and using that to calculate. Point being, his performance looks nearly identical. If he was having significant vision issues, this would likely show up in xwOBA
Tommy Pham hits the ball hard more often than Mike Trout, Max Muncy, Bryce Harper, Paul Goldschmidt
Runs faster than Jose Altuve, Francisco Lindor, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts
Higher expected wOBA than Charlie Blackmon, Buster Posey, Javier Baez, Kyle Schwarber
https://twitter.com/zwendkos/status/1024364532200812557
Source: BaseballSavant
If he was upset he couldn’t get an expensive piece of work out equipment wait until he sees the Rays gym. One broken Dr. Ho tens unit and a Total Gym by Chuck Norris.
Lmao.
It’s good to see that they finally got their own gym, as humble as it is. Last I had heard, they were passing around a stolen key pass to a neighboring retirement complex, and using the facilities there. I hear that Jeter is looking into a transition to a similar system for the Marlins.
I refuse to believe that Cleveland or the Giants or any other team looking for a functional outfielder couldn’t/wouldn’t top this. It’s just not a good trade to give away that much talent for a likely platoon bat in a corner outfield, and a couple of maybe maybe maybe relief arms.
It doesn’t make a ton of sense for Tampa to be trading for guys like this, but the value is so high they had to jump on it. My only question is why others didn’t, or if the Cards didn’t market him broadly.
Pham looks good for the next three years. Why wouldn’t they jump on it.
Good question. Where was Cleveland on this? Leonys Martin has some value over the flotsam that’s left after the Zimmer/Chis/Naquin injuries, but Pham seems to fit the same model of value now plus years of control.
From 2017 through the first 40 games of 2018, Pham produced at an MVP level.
Since then he’s fallen off a cliff. Like the opposite of what Matt Carpenter has done.
When you stated that Pham and the Cardinals didnt see “eye to eye”, I thought you were being punny … because I think there are real concerns that Pham’s vision problems have resurfaced.
I obviously can’t speak to how well Tommy Pham is seeing these days, but in July he has a 101 wRC+ and a .369 expected wOBA that just about matches his 2017 number. His walks and strikeouts look normal, and he’s achieved an average exit velocity of 95 miles per hour. The vision issues might be real (again), but July has been fairly encouraging, I’d say.
Hitting MLB pitching is really, really difficult. If his vision problems had resurfaced then he would likely have a wRC+ close to 0 (or negative)
But he had vision problems before, and he did *okay*
As a Cardinals fan I can’t help but dislike this trade. Seems like a low sell on the part of the front office, who I usually like. I liked Pham’s attitude and hustle. Was hoping to see an outfield of Pham, O’Neil, and Bader next season with Fowler firmly occupying space anywhere else.
What stands out to me in that Yelich comparison is the at-bats. At age 26, Yelich has had 3217 professional at-bats and Pham at age 30 has 1284. This is only Pham’s second year with more than 200 at-bats.
The simplest explanation is at the beginning of the year, the projections appeared to value Pham at about 2.9 to 3.1 fWAR, meaning that the projections didn’t believe 2017 was real, and so far the 2018 performance suggests the projections were optimistic.
I don’t understand the deal for STL. If they were gonna sell, then they should have SOLD. Get rid of Ozuna, Carpenter, and Norris. Norris, in particular, has no business being on the Cardinals’ roster at this point. If this has anything to do with Pham’s “attitude,” there are some serious problems in STL. Maybe firing Matheny will fix some of that, and maybe Pham’s to blame for some of it, but the team is a billion-dollar+ company that will get 3,000,000+ fans through the gates in a year when they could realistically finish below .500.
How expensive could a piece of training equipment be to them? Did they forget that Pham carried the team by himself last year? This is why players now refuse to go to St. Louis unless they get overpaid. And why couldn’t this trade wait until the offseason? If Pham’s production returned in August or September, you could have extracted a much better package than the three non-prospects they got today. And as pointed out in the article, Pham’s lack of major production seems to be luck-based, not skill-based. Let the luck correct itself.
Now, the Cardinals are worse off in 2018 and 2019 and have nothing to show for it; it’s folly to assume Tyler O’Neill or Harrison Bader are ready to step up as above-average players. Has Mozeliak’s insane flurry of moves in the past week or so made the team better now? Definitely not. Has it made them better in the future? I don’t see it. Only the Tuivailala for Elledge move made any sense. It might be time to explore a front office gutting to match the dugout gutting.
think about how much the cardinals have profited off of Pham’s performance in recency, think t-shirt/jersey sales and ticket sales versus his league minimum salary, and they can’t give him the tools he feels he needs to succeed? I used to have a very high opinion of the cardinal’s way of doing thing, but it seems like every year I think less and less of them. Just seem more erratic, and callous towards their players.
Should have unloaded Norris for sure and tried to get rid of JMart. He’s kind of a dead roster spot and would have returned value from someone in the AL.
So the Cards felt the need to unload Pham and not Jose Martinez who should only be a DH??
The way I see it is this:
Would you trade Tommy Pham straight up for Tyler O’Neill? I say no. Bader’s playing time wasn’t blocked by Tommy Pham. The Cardinals were still getting him reps both in right and center. This was about playing O’Neill, who was laying waste to the PCL. There’s no guarantee that O’Neill will ever be as good of a player that Tommy Pham is right now. It’s a silly trade. I don’t know if I agree with Saxon’s comments about the relationship with the FO, but even if there were a shred of truth there, that’s no excuse to sell low on top talent.
The difference between the two is that Yelich sprays the ball quite well – that’s why he is a better hitter… that’s why the GB don’t kill him.