Re-Projecting the 2021 San Diego Padres
Teams generally pay little heed to the torrent of ZiPS projection posts every winter, rudely making changes to their rosters with no thought to the consequences of making my graphs and tables obsolete! This has been less of a problem than usual as this offseason has been a rather quiet one: 18 of the top 20 free agents on our offseason top 50 are still unsigned with just six weeks to go until the scheduled opening of spring training. The Padres have been the rare exception to this dreadful stasis. Rather than sitting quietly on their hands, hemming and hawing about the state of baseball’s finances, they’ve aggressively sought to make improvements that increase the payroll. In a holiday flurry of moves, they added Yu Darvish, Blake Snell, Ha-seong Kim, and Victor Caratini, setting up what could be the most anticipated divisional race in recent memory. It’s a nice change of pace from teams that have practically issued press releases informing fans of just how much worse the product will be in 2021.
That’s not to say that ZiPS didn’t like the Padres before their latest series of moves. In fact, my labyrinthine tangle of algorithms thought that the boys in brown combined to make up the second-best team in the National League. But there was also a clear space between them and the reigning World Series champs, the Los Angeles Dodgers. Now, I’m not so sure.
Let’s start by refreshing the team’s depth chart:

The depth here is frightening. When you look at the rotation, you almost forget that Mike Clevinger, a blockbuster addition just a few months ago, will miss the 2021 season due to Tommy John surgery. There is no doubt some injury risk here, as most of the starting pitchers have at least some bit of injury history, but San Diego’s doing its best to make up for that in quantity. With a projected 103 ERA+, Joey Lucchesi would be a number-three starter on an average team, but he may be as low as the Padres’ seventh starter in 2021. The Dodgers have made dizzying starter depth one of the team’s strengths during the Andrew Friedman era, but the Padres are one of the few teams to make a real run at going toe-to-toe with them.
| Year | W | L | S | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | ERA+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 10 | 6 | 0 | 3.52 | 26 | 26 | 151.0 | 124 | 59 | 21 | 46 | 182 | 121 | 3.3 |
| 2022 | 9 | 6 | 0 | 3.69 | 23 | 23 | 134.0 | 113 | 55 | 19 | 42 | 157 | 115 | 2.6 |
| 2023 | 8 | 6 | 0 | 3.83 | 23 | 23 | 131.7 | 114 | 56 | 19 | 43 | 150 | 111 | 2.4 |
ZiPS takes a dim view of Darvish’s injury record, but this is a good time to remind you that projection systems are much better at deducing quality than quantity. Qualitatively speaking, Darvish’s return to stardom since mid-2019 is no fluke, and he richly deserved his Cy Young award votes last year. If he can throw 180 to 200 innings, he stands up against any pitcher in baseball. What’s more, the Padres didn’t even have to gut their 2021 roster to trade for him; only one of the prospects they moved, Yeison Santana, ranked in the team’s top 10. Having never played above rookie ball, Santana was extremely unlikely to have any 2021 impact outside of a trade. And this trade isn’t a rental, with Darvish inked through the end of the 2023 season.
| Year | W | L | S | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | ERA+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 11 | 7 | 0 | 3.51 | 26 | 26 | 133.3 | 106 | 52 | 17 | 53 | 164 | 121 | 2.9 |
| 2022 | 10 | 6 | 0 | 3.52 | 24 | 24 | 122.7 | 99 | 48 | 15 | 50 | 149 | 120 | 2.7 |
| 2023 | 10 | 7 | 0 | 3.53 | 24 | 24 | 122.3 | 99 | 48 | 15 | 49 | 149 | 120 | 2.6 |
Snell’s projection is similar to Darvish’s, in that he’s clearly a star, but one whose injury record keeps his projected innings down. I’d take the over on the innings as he showed few issues stemming from the elbow surgery that cost him a month in 2019. The Rays have also been very cautious about letting Snell go long in games, no doubt in part due to his unimpressive performances when facing batters for the third time. That’s not a big deal for the Padres — did I mention they have the third-best bullpen in baseball by ZiPS?
Given Snell’s team-friendly contract, which keeps him in mustard for three more seasons, the Padres had to give up more significant prospects than went to the Cubs for Darvish. But even then, Luis Patiño had a worse projection than every starter in that graphic above. Firmly in win-now mode, the team also couldn’t really afford to play Francisco Mejía over Austin Nola, and Caratini, Darvish’s personal catcher in Chicago, is an excellent complement to their everyday backstop. With Luis Campusano nearing the majors, Mejía may have become expendable in any case, and with Blake Hunt also a real prospect, the organization was nearly stacked here.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | .267 | .337 | .442 | 595 | 93 | 159 | 32 | 3 | 22 | 103 | 60 | 113 | 18 | 110 | 0 | 3.8 |
| 2022 | .268 | .340 | .456 | 574 | 92 | 154 | 33 | 3 | 23 | 104 | 60 | 114 | 17 | 114 | 0 | 4.0 |
| 2023 | .268 | .341 | .463 | 568 | 92 | 152 | 33 | 3 | 24 | 106 | 61 | 114 | 16 | 116 | 0 | 4.1 |
| 2024 | .265 | .340 | .463 | 555 | 91 | 147 | 32 | 3 | 24 | 104 | 61 | 111 | 16 | 116 | 0 | 4.0 |
| 2025 | .263 | .338 | .456 | 540 | 87 | 142 | 31 | 2 | 23 | 99 | 59 | 105 | 15 | 114 | -1 | 3.6 |
ZiPS absolutely loves Kim, seeing him as the long-term solution at second, and at four-years, $25 million with a mutual option for 2025, his contract is a phenomenally good deal for the club. This is not a case of the computer being over-exuberant about the KBO; ZiPS has never given a hitter coming over from South Korea a projection anywhere near this level. In addition to being very well-rounded, it’s easy to forget that Kim’s also very young at just 25, meaning there’s possibly still some ceiling left in his game. Jake Cronenworth was solid at the keystone, but he will remain a contributor at a number of positions in 2021 and is a credible option any time there’s an injury. In essence, he fills a similar role as Enrique Hernández or Chris Taylor with the Dodgers.
So, how close do the Padres come to the Dodgers? At least according to the grotesquely early NL West ZiPS projections I ran based on current rosters, tantalizingly close.
| Team | W | L | GB | Pct | Div% | WC% | Playoff% | WS Win% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Los Angeles Dodgers | 98 | 64 | — | .605 | 51.4% | 43.6% | 95.0% | 12.5% |
| San Diego Padres | 98 | 64 | — | .605 | 48.4% | 46.1% | 94.5% | 12.0% |
| Arizona Diamondbacks | 77 | 85 | 21 | .475 | 0.1% | 4.2% | 4.4% | 0.2% |
| San Francisco Giants | 72 | 90 | 26 | .444 | 0.0% | 0.4% | 0.4% | 0.0% |
| Colorado Rockies | 64 | 98 | 34 | .395 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
196 wins are the most ZiPS has ever projected for the top two teams in a division. Combine that with the closeness of the projections — you need a decimal point to separate the two teams in the standings — and I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that this is the best divisional race ZiPS has ever projected, going on two decades of prognostications.
The Dodgers better get used to it. Only Tommy Pham is a free agent after the 2021 season and most of the team’s key contributors are under team control through at least 2023. By our payroll estimates, the Padres have more than $50 million to spend before hitting the first luxury tax threshold in 2021.
The NL West ought to be a lot of fun.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Excellent idea, Dan.
Holy crap, 98 wins! I knew they were good – I didn’t know they were that good. They have the kind of depth where their superstars: Machado, Tatis could regress badly or get injured and they will likely still nab a playoff spot.
why was e v e r y t e a m i n b a s e b a l l not all over Kim??
They must be bleeding money. No tears shed as it looks like have been raking it in, but think it created risk aversion. AJP loves to zig to the league’s zag. This, at times, has led him off a cliff. Now it seems like he got a great bargain.
that has to be it, or just a general bias against Koreans/Asian players in general
Nah, I don’t think so. Sometimes teams are hesitant because many fantastic Japanese and Korean ballplayers sputter out in America due to different levels of play and styles of such.
They aren’t bleeding money, but they are happy to use the pandemic as an excuse to *claim* they are bleeding money.
Padres were smart to capitalize on this and go after “expensive” players. Dodgers should do the same.
In fairness, the Dodgers have Gavin Lux (to play or trade) and may sign LeMahieu; hard to judge the offseason till it’s over, but the AL East teams, to me, are the ones who should have been in on Kim (and the Angels, but they don’t care about winning, sadly)
If you look at DJM admittedly sss home/away splits since signing with the Yankees, and the fact that his swing is literally built for Yankee stadium, I cannot see why the Dodgers would be too in on him. Last two seasons he hit 29/10 hrs, at Dodger stadium he would of hit 18/5. He would lose A TON of his value if he trades ballparks. 242 wRC+ at home, below average on the road. A lot of that is noise…but I just cannot imagine the Dodgers wanting to throw all this money at DJM when Chris Taylor is coming off a 131 wRC+, and has put up 4.8/3.1/1.7/ and 1.5 (in 60 games) over the last 4 seasons. Chris Taylor also upped his EV, increased his walk rate, decreased his K rate, and posted a low babip than he had for the last 4 seasons. The 131 actually feels semi real when you look at other stats. DJM is better, but I do not think the difference is as much as people think.
Preller definitely is not shy of action. A couple years ago he sold the farm and tried to compete and failed. He then traded everyone and again built a monster farm system.
Not sure how sustainable that is but if it fails preller in two to three years still has the trade capital to build another monster system so he can take that risk.
Let’s be fair here, there are a LOT of unknowns with Kim. I remember when the article on Kim came out I was tallying up all the unknowns. There are very few cases of KBO offensive stars coming over and even being above average hitters here, and there are all kinds of questions about Kim’s throwing motion. There’s a world where he’s essentially Dan’s offensive projections but with plus defense, making him a regular 4.5 win player, and there’s another world where he’s a league-average hitter who has to move to the outfield because his throwing doesn’t work in the infield, and that’s like a 1.5 win guy.
So there is a ton of uncertainty here, but amidst that uncertainty there two reasons to think the Padres are more confident. One is that the analytics director of the Padres is Dave Cameron, and if there’s anyone who is going to like projection systems that have similar features as ZiPs it is probably him. The other is that the Padres are one of the few teams with a full-time scout in Korea. There is probably not a single team that will be more bullish on Kim’s future than the Padres, which is probably why they gave him a top offer despite not exactly having a place for him.
I don’t see kim as a 30 bomb guy in mlb, maybe more 15-20.
My favorite part about this is that the Pirates are so bad that SD got an updated projection before Pittsburgh had their initial projections released. Are they really that bad Dan?
My thoughts too: anything to put off looking at the Pirates projections. Can’t say I blame ya.
Are they worse than the Rangers? Not sure I’d bet on the Rangers in a 5 game series with the Pirates.
I’m not sure I’d take the Tigers over the Pirates either.
Where’s the Pirates projection ?
Thanks
It’s…uhhhh…up your butt and to the left.
Ya our set is not complete without the Pirates. ??
Ya’ll don’t think demanding the Pirates projection isn’t rude? Dan’s pumped out 29 of these extremely well written pieces, I’m pretty sure he didn’t just forget the last one. That’s the reason for my comment anyway but hey, you do you.
The point, Uncle Spike, that clearly sailed over your head was that teams such as the Padres are getting a second set of projections before the projections for all teams have been released.
There’s nothing sadder than watching someone insult someone else when it is the insulter that lacks knowledge of the situation.
Behind that door with the red BIOHAZARD sign on it.
Looks like my days of enjoying September Dodgers-Padres games at Petco on the cheap are over for awhile.
Are you a Dodger fan? If so, does the Padres ascent excite you or worry you? Has it been boring watching the Dodgers steamroll into the playoffs year after year, and now it is better to have some serious competition?
Dodger fan and super stoked to see the Pads go big. Competition is fun, I’ll root for ex-fangraph front offices and if you don’t like San Diego as a city I mean I guess you just don’t like cities basically?
I think a couple of you missed the “on the cheap” part of his comment. Assuming he meant demand for tickets is going way up
Dodgers fan here, excited to see the Padres ascent, need more teams trying to win at all
costs. Hopefully will be an exciting division race.
I love what they’re doing, it’s great for baseball. And the Dodgers. Can’t be Austin Powers without Dr. Evil. It’ll be a fantastic chance to test their mettle, should be great for the likes of Lux/Gonsolin/May. And agree, San Diego is a great city and happy to see Dave Cameron’s team making moves like this. It’s exciting, could save the offseason. Couldn’t be happier.
Going by these projections I would guess they have a top-10 projected outfield, and that’s probably their biggest “weakness” after the infield, rotation, and bullpen in some order
If Cronenworth spends more time in the OF, he could be a little boost over Pham.
Think that is a big could. I’m probably the biggest Cronenworth truther out there, but Pham was hurt and had 100 at bats. Of all active hitters he has the 33rd highest wRC+. Higher than guys like Altuve, Machado, Jram, Arenado, Lindor, Blackmon, etc. The fact that I see so much negative about Pham from SD fans seems odd to me. The sample size was so small, and he has been great for his entire career. Who knows how he bounces back from the stabbing, etc, but with the adversity he has overcome his entire life I’d bet on him.
Signing Kim gives them the depth to use Cronenworth in the outfield or infield wherever he’s needed, which gives a good boost to their floor
Possibly. If you read the mining the news section it sort of implies that Cronenworth is still the starter, and Kim will be the guy bouncing around, but again who knows.
Are you a Dodger fan? If so, does the Padres ascent excite you or worry you? Has it been boring watching the Dodgers steamroll into the playoffs year after year, and now it is better to have some serious competition?
Edit: Oh, this was meant for bawfuls.
I added up the Zips War and they are 4th with 9.1. order is Dodgers, Yankees, Mets (surprise to me), then Padres… Granted the Dodgers are over 14 WAR. Braves and Rays both have 8.8 to top out the top 5,6 with a tie.
The main reason that Tampa usually wouldn’t let Snell pitch deep into games is because their deep bullpens usually made going to relievers an objectively better option for winning that game. I don’t see why everyone thinks that Snell moving to a Padres team that projects to have a great, deep bullpen is going to lead to a dramatic increase in IP and facing a lineup for a third time.
Well we just think when he is pitching a 2 hitter and only at 73 pitches that the Padres will let him stay in.
Not if they want to beat the Dodgers
Ouch.
The Rays are pretty extreme on that front. But also, Snell has not been a model of health in his short career, so even if he does pitch for longer outings I doubt he’s ever going to get to 200 innings. He’s probably a 100-150 inning guy from here on out, one way or another.
Sadtrombone, I see this criticism of Snell often here. Help me understand:
Year – Innings pitched for Snell
2014 – 115
2015 – 134
2016 – 152
2017 – 173
2018 – 180
2019 – 107
2020 – healthy most, if not all, of the shortened year
Other than 2019, where’s the criticism coming from? That track record actually looks pretty enviable for a young SP, and perhaps shows the result of a team wanting to a “build” a starter. Snell is 28 years old and, unlike a pretty large percentage of major leaguers, hasn’t missed an entire season yet.
As best I can tell, Snell has pitched even more innings in the last five years than Darvish has.
Snell has always worked high pitch counts. My theory, with nothing to back it up, is that has a lot to do with the team he played for. He knew he wouldn’t be going deep in games, so he approached hitters differently than he would if he thought he had a chance to make it to to the 6th inning.
Padres are going to let him pitch more and deeper into games. Now is he going to average 105 pitches a start and be ridden like a workhorse? Of course not, but I see the 90-95 range
Dan, I was trying to find ZiPS projected standings for 2015 but can only find player projections grouped by team.
Ummm…. ZiPS projects Ha-seong Kim with four consecutive 100 RBI seasons plus 99 RBI in his fifth season? In all of major league history here are all the second basemen with at least four consecutive 100+ RBI seasons:
Jeff Kent (6x)
Charlie Gehringer (5x)
Chase Utley (4x)
I’ll definitely have to check this for something odd.
It’s weird. His entire 5 years he has almost exactly the same stats. Zips is projecting him to be the most consistent great player ever.
Late 20s will be consistent based on our knowledge of age curves. I take then as ballparks, not exacts. .260s avg, .340 OBP, high 3s WAR.
I don’t think it’s weirdo it’s logical for him to be projected similarly between his mid to late 20 years, of course odds are he’ll have his peaks and values. But as 50%ile projections they make sense
What Matt said. Projections will *always* be more consistent than reality because players don’t hit their exact 50th percentile projection every year.
At the price the Padres got Kim, he could be a fantastic steal, and if he doesn’t work out, he’s not really going to hurt them at all. I’m really surprised no one else made a bigger splash for the 25 year old.
great article, that’s quite a projection for Kim. exciting team
Padres: 😁 😁 😁
Giants: 😞
Rockies: 🤒
D-Backs: 😴
Dodgers: 🤜✊🤛👊
I’m kind of curious about the Padres lineup. It’s probably a little complicated because Cronenworth is probably going to be giving everyone except Grisham and Nola / Caratini a break, and I guess it’s probably more likely that both Caratini and Nola wind up in the lineup when they face tough lefties to spare Hosmer than Cronenworth ever winding up there. But this lineup, sans Cronenworth, looks pretty deadly:
Grisham
Tatis
Machado
Hosmer
Pham
Kim
Myers
Nola / Caratini
Although the proper location of Hosmer depends on entirely on whether he’s giving you his league-average line against right-handers of 2019 or his career 121 wRC+.
I think there is a good chance there will be a dh still
I recall prior to the 2019 season projections saw 6 hundred win teams in baseball. Is it me or do these two teams both look better than any of those 6 teams from 2019.
I have to imagine that the win total for the 2021 Dodgers & Padres is somewhat depressed because they will be playing each other 18 or so times next year?
The Rockies balance out having to face each other. 18 games against a 98 win team, and 18 games against a 98 loss team (from the projections). And that’s before potential trades of Story or Arenado (which would occur with a non-zero probability not accounted for). It’s unlikely the Rockies do much to improve their team, but could make themselves worse. Then you have the Giants and Diamondbacks, who are projected to be mediocre. Net it out, and their strength of schedule intra-division is fairly neutral.
I wonder why no other team has signed players in an attempt to be competitive? Certainly there are teams with enough financial ability to sign some of the available free agents. Waiting might be a good strategy for some, but not for all. We are 6 weeks from pitchers and catchers.
“We are 6 weeks from pitchers and catchers.” Don’t bet the farm on that.
Looks like they’re also better than any AL team
Wow! Thanks for that!
This team is plain unfair. The worst singular player on the starting 9 is Hosmer, who still projects to be 1.4 WAR.
Hosmer really sticks out in these projections.
This was needed