Red Sox Trade Two Pitchers to St. Louis, Acquire Brawny Canadian

Last week, Marco Gonzales got traded twice in three days: First from Seattle to Atlanta in the Jarred Kelenic deal, then up the Denny Neagle Highway to Pittsburgh. No one has ever been more traded. You want to know how traded Gonzales is? The only other player he’s ever been traded for, Tyler O’Neill, just got traded too.
The St. Louis Cardinals, sitting on a surfeit of corner outfield types, have sent O’Neill to Boston for pitchers Nick Robertson and Victor Santos. This is not as exciting a trade as it would’ve been two years ago, when O’Neill was coming off a 5.5 WAR season, but it allows the Cardinals to turn a player they probably weren’t going to use into pitching depth. The Red Sox gain some temporary goodwill from the small subset of locals who’ll scan a headline and think that former Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill has returned from the dead. Moreover, they’ve added some right-handed power to a pool of outfielders that could use some.
O’Neill got his start in the Seattle Mariners system, where he was something of a local favorite, having grown up less than three hours away in Maple Ridge, British Columbia. Which is a real drag, by the way, because Larry Walker is also from Maple Ridge, meaning O’Neill was basically doomed from the start to be the second-best corner outfielder from his own hometown.
Before he could make his big league debut, O’Neill was sent to St. Louis in a one-for-one challenge trade for Gonzales. And the shadow of Walker loomed larger.
In parts of six seasons, O’Neill cut a mercurial figure with the Cardinals. The peak came in 2021, when he hit .286/.352/.560 with 34 home runs and 15 stolen bases and won a Gold Glove for his work in left field. But that one season accounts for almost a third of O’Neill’s career major league playing time and more than half of his career WAR.
Power has never been a problem for the 28-year-old, who is listed at 5-foot-11 and 200 pounds, of which about 198 pounds is biceps and quads. It’s ironic that the Cardinals had no more use for him, because the last time a guy this muscular was deemed expendable, Sylvester Stallone made four movies about it.
The big problem with O’Neill is that — much as you can’t steal first base — you have to make contact with the ball in order to hit home runs. O’Neill’s career strikeout rate is an even 30.0%, which is the seventh-highest out of 240 players who have batted at least 1,500 times in the past six seasons. His contact rate is 11th-worst, and his Z-Contact rate is 15th-worst. There are hitters, like Adolis García and Bryce Harper, who screw themselves into the ground when they swing and don’t make a ton of contact on the whole. Harper walks a lot more than O’Neill and strikes out a lot less, but just looking at O’Neill’s plate discipline numbers compared to García’s — even the new and improved García who took a leap last season — there’s not a lot of difference between the two.
The problem is that for the past two seasons, O’Neill hasn’t done enough damage when he hits the ball to offset for all the swing and miss. Here is O’Neill’s one good season (2021) up against what he, Harper, and García accomplished in 2023:
| Player/Year | BB% | K% | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Harper 2023 | 14.7 | 21.8 | .293 | .401 | .499 | 142 |
| García 2023 | 10.3 | 27.7 | .245 | .328 | .508 | 124 |
| O’Neill 2021 | 7.1 | 31.3 | .286 | .352 | .560 | 143 |
| O’Neill 2023 | 10.5 | 25.2 | .231 | .312 | .403 | 97 |
And here’s how they did just in terms of contact. Bear in mind that Harper only had one-and-a-half working elbows for most of this season. Usually, his hard-hit rate is closer to 50%:
| Player/Year | Barrel% | Z-Contact% | HardHit% | xwOBACON |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Harper 2023 | 15.2 | 78.5 | 46.8 | .470 |
| García 2023 | 16.1 | 76.5 | 49.7 | .471 |
| O’Neill 2021 | 17.9 | 73.9 | 52.2 | .550 |
| O’Neill 2023 | 12.3 | 81.5 | 43.3 | .411 |
What’s different about O’Neill from 2021 to 2023? He was much more selective, and made a ton more contact, especially in the zone. He walked more and struck out less. But he also didn’t hit the ball as hard. He hit it on the ground more. And he didn’t tee off on hittable pitches the way he did in 2021.
In 2021, O’Neill destroyed breaking and off-speed pitches over the heart of the plate. Those pitches represented 11% of the pitches he saw that season, which is a lot: the 10th-highest percentage out of 203 hitters who saw at least 1,500 pitches that year. And he took full advantage. He had a wOBA of .528 on non-fastballs in the heart of the strike zone, also 10th-best in the league. Harper, who it bears repeating was the MVP of the National League in 2021, had a .444 wOBA on those pitches.
Two years later, O’Neill was almost an automatic out on the pitches he did so much damage against in his best season: a .257 wOBA.
The change in O’Neill’s swing decisions and contact are significant enough they can’t be accidental; it’s almost certain he — or one of his coaches — decided he needed to take a bit off his swing in order to cut down on strikeouts. But he also wasn’t operating at full capacity for most of the past two seasons.
O’Neill runs like Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, but usually he gets from here to there quite rapidly; Baseball Savant usually has him listed in the 97th percentile or higher for sprint speed. In 2023, his sprint speed dropped to the 80th percentile.
And I’m not just stereotyping O’Neill because he looks like he hasn’t stretched or eaten carbs since he was in middle school; he has genuinely been hurt. Since the start of the 2022 season, he’s suffered injuries to his shoulder, taken multiple IL trips for hamstring injuries, and developed back problems that forced a 60-day IL stint early this past season.
The first step on O’Neill’s road out of St. Louis came in the first week of last season, when Ronald Acuña Jr. threw him out at home. Manager Oliver Marmol lit O’Neill up after the game and publicly accused him of lollygagging.
O’Neill, to put it mildly, disagreed with his manager’s criticism. When pressed by reporters, he admitted that he was running cautiously to avoid re-injuring himself on a wet track. He’d also reworked his running form over the offseason in an attempt to stay off the IL. Less than two months later, O’Neill hurt his back and was out until July.
So maybe injuries can explain O’Neill’s offensive ineffectiveness. And I’m also beginning to see why the Red Sox want him. When I started writing this post, my viewpoint was that O’Neill is a low-risk, high-upside player whom Boston acquired for basically nothing. And even when compromised the past two seasons, he was essentially a league-average part-time outfielder. Seems like there’s little to lose and much to gain.
Now, I’ve talked myself into O’Neill being two Advil and a yoga class away from turning back into the Canadian Adolis García. The Red Sox can get him healthy, stick him out in front of the Green Monster, and tell him that if he hits 40 home runs, he can strike out as much as he wants.
Why would the Cardinals give up on this guy? Well, they are getting some useful pitchers back. Robertson got into a couple dozen games out of the bullpen last season on either side of being traded from the Dodgers to the Red Sox in the Enrique Hernández deal. He’s probably not much more than a low-leverage reliever, but he’ll give you major league innings.
Santos is a former Phillies prospect who came to Boston in 2021 in exchange for C.J. Chatham, who is either a minor league infielder or a crudely conceived alias for pitching coach Caleb Cotham, I don’t know which. Santos didn’t pitch in the minors last season, but he’s made it to Triple-A and is currently hitting the low 90s in LIDOM with a sinker, slider, and changeup. If this were 25 years ago, Dave Duncan would’ve turned this guy into a 20-game winner; now, he’s probably capable of eating some major league innings in an emergency but nothing more.
Most of all, the Cardinals have tried and tried to get O’Neill to repeat his 2021 season and nothing has worked, to Marmol’s clear frustration. The Cardinals have also promoted enough young infielders that Tommy Edman — a Gold Glove second baseman as recently as 2021 — is bound for the outfield, where Jordan Walker and Lars Nootbaar have incumbent positions locked down and Dylan Carlson is still in the mix.
O’Neill is due an estimated $5.5 million in his final year of arbitration. My proposed solution for every problem a major league team might face is, “spend more of ownership’s money,” and even I’ll admit that’s a lot to pay for a fifth outfielder.
I’ve described trades like this as moves in pursuit of Pareto efficiency. There are X number of ballplayers to fit Y number of needs across the league, and a player who does nothing for one team might be another’s knight in shining armor. O’Neill is superfluous in St. Louis, but for a Red Sox team with a ton of left-handed hitters and an Alex Verdugo-shaped hole in its outfield, he’s just what the doctor ordered. The only downside for Boston is that with Triston Casas and Bobby Dalbec already on the roster, the club might have to spring for another squat rack in the clubhouse.
And if O’Neill gets healthy enough to hit with the aggression he showed in 2021, the Red Sox stand to win big.
Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.
Are the K and BB rates flipped in the first table?
Pretty sure they are.
No actually, Tyler is really secretly Barry Bonds
“We have Barry Bonds at home”
I still think a yoga class will go a long way with O’Neill. He’s the most awkward gold glover I’ve ever seen.
“Two Advil and a yoga class”
Thats funny
It seems like an odd trade for the Cardinals to make–the value they are getting back seems to be the type they could have acquired at a lower price elsewhere.
Perhaps, but this is in exchange for a player they don’t need anymore, so any value in return is surplus value, and it clears $5M or so from the payroll that they can now spend on the bullpen.
O’Neill doesn’t have a ton of surplus value but I agree that at first glance this seems like a light return. But after learning a bit more about Robertson I think he might make this a good deal for STL. He developed a new sweeper late last season that grades out very well (something like 150 Stuff+) and shifted his pitch mix to use it 30%+ of the time. Time will tell if that turns him into a plus reliever but I think it at least gives him enough upside to make this a fair return for a O’Neill.
Really? I would have said they did very well here. Not in comparison to Verdugo or anything, but in comparison to what I would think a fringe corner outfield guy with one year remaining on a contract is worth.
Great trade for Sox if they can get him healthy for 2/3rds of a season.
I like that the Red Sox traded Alex Verdugo for Alex Verdugo, in the net of it.
The Red Sox now have more volatility and a right-handed outfielder instead of a left-handed one, so you can make the argument that he fits the roster better.
But I’m with you. This is a lot of activity to wind up roughly in the same place as you were before.
They traded Alex Verdugo who has pissed off Alex Cora for Alex Verdugo who has not yet pissed off Alex Cora but seems like he certainly will.
He lollygagged around third, he lollygagged into home. You know what that makes him?
Tell em wash.
Oops, wrong reference
In a vacuum, I’d rather have Verdugo. I think he’s a better hitter and more likely to be healthy. But after he ran over Cora’s dog he had to go. This move saves a few bucks, brings back better talent than they gave up, and makes their lineup less lopsided with lefties. A good chain of transactions for Breslow.
Verdugo is obviously a much better player, and that’s assuming TON plays 130 games, which is never going to happen.
They already had Refsnyder as a right-handed platoon bat, and this is a lot to give up for a short-side platoon hitter, so I imagine they intend to play him every day. Depth Charts seems to agree, sticking O’Neill in left field and moving Yoshida to DH. I guess I don’t have a problem with that in the abstract, except that it also pushes one of Duran or Rafaela to the minors as well. And also that O’Neill’s range is kind of wasted in that left field (maybe they will put him in right field and switch Abreu to left?).
So the moment someone gets hurt, this is fine, but this is a team that really needs to see what they have in those young guys. (Yoshida might have to go back to the outfield in a year or two anyway, with Devers struggling at third base and Casas struggling at first, and Nick Yorke and Blaze Jordan probably can’t play many places other than 1B either, if they hit enough to make the majors…)
O’Neill is not a platoon bat. He hits both righties and lefties. That’s not an issue. He just has to make enough contact and stay healthy.
Meanwhile, isn’t it rather risky to rely on two young unproven OFs as starters on a team that expects to compete? That’s the kind of thing that only rebuilding teams can afford to do.
Abreu and Duran have given more than enough indication that they should get a chance to win a full-time job, so it comes down to whether (1) Yoshida needs to go to DH and (2) They should give Rafaela a chance to get the full-time job after moving Yoshida to DH. They decided yes to (1) and no to (2), and I am pretty sure I would have picked the other three sets of answers to those questions.
Besides, while there’s huge upside on O’Neill I would hardly characterize him as “proven” these days. It’s swapping one sort of uncertainty for another.
Signing O’Neill guarantee that Turner is not re-signed, and
getting Yoshida off the field is a major upgrade by itself.
Rafaela will be the starting second baseman.
Duran is the starting CF unless he proves he can’t hit, again.
Abreau in right.
They didn’t give up anything of meaningful value. Sox added more value in the Verdugo trade. O’Neil is in his last year of arb so there is no long term impact at this point. The outfielders available in free agency are meh. It is fine. That said I am not sure if O’Neil will be able to fix his issues he is very wooden in his movements and should be prioritizing flexibility over lifting. But that’s unlikely.
To be fair, O’Neill was playing hurt for part of this past season, that is when he was actually healthy enough to play. I think he’s still closer to the hitter he was in 2021 than in 2023. He just needs to stay healthy, albeit that’s a pretty large caveat.
I think the most amazing thing about O’Neill is how a guy that big manages to run so fast. When he’s healthy, he’s a surprising 4-tool player, everything but hitting for contact.
Obviously, one year of O’Neill isn’t worth that much, but I expected STL to get at least one MLB-caliber reliever for him. Robertson is a guy that teams need — someone who can be called up and down to fill innings throughout the year and not embarrass himself — but he isn’t established or likely to help the team win many games in 2024.
Santos is yet another depth starter with a terrible fastball, joining Drew Rom, Liberatore, McGreevy, Robberse, Connor Thomas…seriously, why does STL keep acquiring starters with 40 or less fastballs? It’s not like they are planning on teaching them better fastballs — these guys are all near the majors and nearly completed.
STL has a genuinely impressive array of depth starters now, and they could package a few in a deal, but are teams going to value them as highly as STL seems to? I doubt it.
Boston heard from Minny how great following Buxton was for fans, so they went and got their fans one.
This isn’t fair to Buxton, who when healthy is a full tier (probably 2) above O’Neill and his OBP that you hope starts with a 3.
O’Neill isn’t a perfect player, but I’d prefer him at 1/5 over giving a guy like Herandez or Gurriell 15 aav over 3-4 years. Not that those guys aren’t worth that money, but I’d rather that money go elsewhere than average corner OF.
From the Cardinals perspective, it does seem a bit light (esp. comparing to what similar caliber players will make in FA) but Robertson has a chance to be an excellent reliever. Has really great stuff and that trade will be good for them if he pans out
I’m not sure if the numbers back this up but I love the idea of picking up rentals of interesting but not super established players.
Human element has to creep in and remind them that 1 good year could get them a big payday. I similarly like the Verdugo trade for the Yankees for this reason
O’Neill is different than other marginal outfielders in that he has actually shown that he can be a quality major leaguer unlike Adell, Carlson or Kelenic or many others who have never had a season that comes even close to O’Neill’s 2021. He was ranked as the best LF in MLB’s Top 10 going into 2022. It is definitely worth trying to see if he can recapture that form. The cost of a pair of fungible low leverage relievers is next to nothing. I love the trade but understand that it probably has a less than 50% chance of working.
Even if he sustains his level of production over the last two years for a full-ish season, that’s basically equivalent WAR to what Verdugo was giving them (though O’neill accomplishes that in a very different way). And the pitchers they got for Verdugo are clearly better than Robertson and Santos.
While the odds O’neill magically becomes a borderline superstar again are pretty low, I’d say the chances this deal “works out” for Boston, in the sense that the value they get exceeds the value they gave, are pretty good.
I’d call it a great deal for Boston. Take O’Neill’s last three years-3.2 WAR (BR)/500 PA. Verdugo 1.6/500 last three. Plus Dugie will cost more.
Yes, Verdugo is a year younger and more durable, so you’re balancing that against TO’s health risks, but the upside for a contending team (we hope) makes it worth it. Why settle for likely mediocrity?
50 years ago I spent summers cutting grass at St. Joseph’s cemetery in West Roxbury, and if you happened to be in the vicinity of Tip O’Neill’s wife’s grave when he came to visit, as he did frequently, he would tip you 5 bucks. So hell yeah, I’m excited.
There’s a reason his nickname wasn’t Stingy O’Neill.
There’s yet another rather brawny Canadian out there still waiting to be signed!
The Incredible Hulk playing in front of the Green Monster. Marketing should have a field day with this one.
I’m just an unfrozen caveman lawyer but I would rather have Marco Gonzales and his mediocre innings over paying O’Neill to get the rest of the locker room on supplements while sitting on the injured list 80% of the time. I don’t even think he’s that good when he’s healthy. People must have fantasy on the brain because he can steal and hit for power but he stinks at getting on base. Or on the field.