Reds Acquire Ke’Bryan Hayes in Divisional Swap

I’m not going to sugarcoat it, it’s been a slow week for deadline trades. The way the haves and have-nots line up this year, impactful additions are few and far between. The teams out of the playoff picture don’t have a lot to give up, and the teams with intriguing rental players are mostly already in the race. But the Pittsburgh Pirates, consistent innovators in ways to do weird things without contending, have entered the fray by trading Ke’Bryan Hayes to the Cincinnati Reds in exchange for Taylor Rogers, minor leaguer Sammy Stafura and cash considerations, as Mark Feinsand first reported.
Hayes is about as far from a deadline rental as you can imagine. He signed a lengthy contract extension in April 2022 and is still on that deal; he’s under team control through as long as 2030, in fact, and for cheap! He’s due an average of $7.5 million annually for the next four years, and the pact’s 2030 club option is for just $12 million with a $6 million buyout. That’s the kind of deal that gets teams salivating: long team control at rates that would barely get you a good middle reliever in free agency.
It gets better! Hayes is one of the best defenders in baseball. Since his 2020 debut, he leads all major leaguers with 73 Outs Above Average. Think that’s a fluke? He leads all major leaguers in Defensive Runs Saved – by 28 runs! The distance between him and second place is the same as the distance between second place and 25th. There are plenty of good third basemen with good defensive numbers. Hayes is head and shoulders ahead of all of them, unquestionably, and he’s lapping the third base field again this year, with 15 OAA (second place is four guys tied with four).
Let’s continue: Hayes had one of the best debuts of the Statcast era. He came up during the COVID-abbreviated 2020 season and hit .376/.442/.682 in 95 plate appearances across 24 games. It’s a caricature of a batting line, of course, but the building blocks were great. He has reasonable bat speed, hits the ball hard, and makes a lot of contact. He strikes out less than league average. He’s a plus baserunner.
Okay, let’s read the return again. That’s very little, considering all the team control so reasonably priced. And let’s read all those things about Hayes as a player again. Well, they all sound great! So what’s the problem? Hayes can’t hit. Oh sure, I quoted you a small-sample line and plenty of secondary statistical markers, but the ball doesn’t lie. Over 2,269 plate appearances since that spectacular debut, Hayes is hitting .249/.302/.356, good for an 80 wRC+. In his last two years, that’s down to .234/.281/.290, with a 58 wRC+. He has six homers – six!! – over around 800 plate appearances in that time. He’s an offensive black hole so dense that his defense is two wins above average over that time frame – and yet his total value is less than a win above replacement.
What do the Reds see in Hayes? Probably the same thing that I’ve seen for years: an irresistible riddle to try to solve. If he could post even a league average batting line, he’d be a star. The only reason he isn’t swimming in Gold Gloves (he has one, from 2023) is that he just doesn’t hit well enough for people to vote for him. And he should be able to be a league average hitter. He’s shown all the skills you need to do it, just never at the same time.
Step one for the Reds is going to be getting him to elevate the ball more. Guys with this level of bat control often unlock this skill eventually, and a good pitch on that front is “Hey, now you get to hit in Cincinnati.” Even this year, Hayes’ average exit velocity is above average. Lift some of that, put it in a bandbox, and heck, 10 homers would be marvelous. His poor batting performance is honestly quite shocking; both xStats and all of our projection systems think he should be meaningfully better than this.
Step two is throwing a ton of hitting philosophies and coaches at Hayes over the winter to see what he likes best. This is a multi-year play; you get Hayes for peanuts for half a decade, so even if it takes him a year to hit his stride, the tradeoff would be a great one. I don’t have a silver bullet that would fix him; I’d probably be getting paid by the Reds to not write it down for this blog if I did. But you can see the point of this bet: If this guy hits even okay — and all the tools say he should — he’ll be elite. Heck, even when he put up a 91 wRC+ from 2021 to 2023, he was worth 3.3 WAR per 600 PA. Where else are you going to get that kind of production for $7.5 million? Want proof that big league teams can acquire defense on the cheap? Here you go.
Of course, teams competing right now don’t generally trade away relievers with 2.45 ERAs. Why the heck is Rogers in this deal? He’s a well-paid rental, the exact opposite of what the Pirates are looking for. It’s weird! But I have a theory of how it went down. Rogers simply wasn’t a key part of the Reds’ bullpen plans. His average entry leverage was 10th on the team; they preferred a ton of other relievers in big spots. Brent Suter is already very good in the funky-lefty role. Sam Moll is back from Triple-A and up to his usual Sam Moll tricks (throwing any pitch in any count, not knowing where the ball is going, etc.). Rogers only made seven appearances in the month of July, totaling 5.1 innings. That’s eighth out of nine Reds relievers, or eighth out of eight if you don’t count a two-inning mop up appearance by catcher Jose Trevino.
Let’s consider him surplus, then. Why did the Pirates want him? My guess is that the Reds proposed Pittsburgh sending over the rest of Hayes’ 2025 salary as part of the deal, but that the Pirates balked at it. That, or there’s some law of universal attraction that requires twins to be traded on the same day.
In the Nutting era, the Pirates haven’t made a habit of spending money unnecessarily – or spending money at all, really. By taking Rogers and his salary back plus receiving offsetting cash considerations, they’re breaking even monetarily for the moment, but I assume they’re going to turn around and trade Rogers again. Surely some lefty-needy contender would happily take Rogers for nothing more than his contract, saving the Pirates the $2.3 million they’d otherwise be paying the Reds to cover Hayes’ salary. (Hey, $2.3 million covers a lot of new bricks.)
Honestly, I bet they’ll get something back for Rogers beyond payroll savings if they move him; he might not look like a world-beater, but there’s no way to slice his statistics where he isn’t at least serviceable. I can’t imagine he’ll appear in a single game for Pittsburgh, and yet he’s surely an attractive part of the bargain – monetary savings plus some chance of prospect return are the two things that the Pirates build themselves around.
Stafura, the other player heading to the Pirates in the deal, isn’t much more than a lottery ticket. Here’s Eric Longenhagen’s latest update on him:
Stafura was ranked 62nd on my 2023 Draft Board and signed for just shy of $2.5 million (a late first round bonus) in the second round rather than go to Clemson. He’s spent the past two seasons at Low-A Daytona, where Stafura has reached base enough to post above-average overall offensive lines. But his strikeouts have been elevated and didn’t improve in his repeat season. Stafura has worked hard to develop big league physicality since turning pro, and he looks the part in the uniform. He’s on time to button middle-middle fastballs and hits a ton of top-spinning liners to his pull side. His pull-heavy approach and crude barrel feel leave him vulnerable to breaking pitches, which he’s chasing at more than a 40% clip in 2025. He’s likely to mature into below-average hit and power tools. Stafura’s shortstop defense is headlined by plus range and acrobatics enabled by his strong lower body. The lone wart of his defense is throwing accuracy, as Stafura throws too many one-hoppers to first and occasionally pulls his teammates off the bag. At this age, that’s not a daming problem, and long-term, he should be an above-average shortstop defender who can play all over the place in a low-impact utility role.
I’d note that striking out this often in the low minors is a very bad sign, but I concur with Eric overall. He pointed out to me that the Pirates seem to like former over-slot guys who haven’t yet panned out. That fits Stafura to a tee, and you can understand the thinking here: If you’re looking for long shots, you might as well start with ones who had loud enough tools to get a bag of loot in the draft. Realistically, though, the odds of Stafura working out are low; he’s 32nd on our updated Pittsburgh prospect rankings.
What do I think about this trade overall? For the Reds, I think it’s a no-brainer. I’m still very much in trade valuation mode here, and Hayes feels like a kind of player that models love. He’s so good defensively that it’s almost impossible to project him any worse than he’s played this year – and even this year, he’s tracking towards a 1.4-WAR season, which would have been the fifth-best WAR total among hitters on the 2024 Reds. Heck, he’d be seventh on the 2025 Reds in season-to-date WAR despite a 57 wRC+.
The Reds have some stars, but they also have plenty of roster holes. They’re somewhat payroll-constrained. They’ll take cheap WAR any way they can get it, basically, and preferably in the form of players who will be under team control for reasonable rates throughout Elly De La Cruz’s team control years. Oh yeah, Hayes will even take pressure off of De La Cruz defensively. Who wouldn’t want to have that kind of security blanket flanking them in the field? That’s a minor benefit, but a benefit nonetheless. It’s a great speculative fit, really, the kind of player that the Reds have been sorely lacking in recent years. Sure, there’s a risk that Hayes just never hits again, but like I said, he’s replacing guys who have been just as bad in aggregate.
From Pittsburgh’s side, well, at least Bob Nutting saved a little money going forward. It’s pretty clear that the Pirates consider Hayes’ contract to be both dead weight and dead weight they couldn’t afford. Stafura is just a lottery ticket, really. Rogers is a prospective future lottery ticket. These aren’t moves built around contending any sooner; they’re built around the general concept that trading for a ton of maybe’s will eventually turn into a smaller pile of yes’es.
Misguided, given that Paul Skenes is in the major leagues right now? It seems that way to me. But the Pirates surely don’t care what I think. They stick to their process, which generally involves trading major league contributors before they get too expensive and eschewing free agency. The three players who the Pirates have signed to long-term extensions in the last few years – Hayes, Mitch Keller, and Bryan Reynolds – were the only three Pirates with guaranteed contracts that stretch beyond the 2025 season. Keller and Reynolds could at least feasibly be on the move this deadline, too. The idea here is clearly to run the team as close to the bone as possible, and from that perspective, trading Hayes is a step in their preferred direction. They furthered this plan by trading Caleb Ferguson, due roughly $1 million the rest of the season, this afternoon as well.
Now, can they use that money they freed up to improve? I kind of doubt it. If you’re wondering what kind of infielder you can get for $7.5 million a year, the amount they’ve gotten out of paying Hayes by making this trade, you can look at current Pirate Isiah Kiner-Falefa, who signed a two-year deal for $7.5 million a year before the 2024 season. He’s racked up 2.5 WAR over 828 plate appearances over that time. That’s a perfectly fine deal for the rate, and absolutely not the kind of player that will push the Pirates into playoff contention from where they are right now.
More broadly, Hayes has been quite poor at the plate this year, but so have the rest of the Pirates. He’s second among their hitters in WAR! There’s nothing even resembling a good major league offense here right now. Paradoxically, I think that made it easier to trade Hayes. The Reds’ problem is that they need a few more cost-controlled role players. The Pirates’ problem is that they need a whole new offense. At that point, maybe you should just get rid of everyone and run out a series of rookies until some guys click. I’m not saying that’s a good option, but given the constraints, it might be the best one available.
That’s surely a bummer for Pirates fans to hear, but honestly, it’s all I’ve got. This is all according to plan. They were hoping to do this. If they end up with no Hayes, no Rogers, and some very marginal improvement of their farm system, they’ll call it a success, and I think that’s exactly what will happen. Meanwhile, the Reds will get a chance at a Hayes bounce back that would inject their squad with a meaningful chunk of surplus value, and if it doesn’t work, the contract is hardly a millstone. Well, unless you’re the Pirates, that is.
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Yeah, this feels like a slam dunk for Cincinnati. He’s a sizable upgrade over what they’ve gotten at 3B even if he never hits again, and if he does then they’ve gotten an extremely valuable player for essentially nothing.
For Pittsburgh, if this is all you’re gonna get for him, why trade him at all, much less to a division rival? The AAV is negligible even for them.
In his last 788 PA (last season and this one), Hayes is batting .234/.281/.290, with an OPS+ of 60. And that is not a small sample.
(Mark Belanger, for comparison, batted .228/.300/.280, and that was mostly in the 1970’s!)
I’m a Reds fan, and I have trouble seeing Hayes as someone who helps. I acknowledge that he’s a great fielder by any metric. But can a serious team, in 2025, start a quasi-Mark-Belanger type at a corner infield spot?
The Reds need hitting more than anything, and I just find this deal perplexing.
Would the Orioles have been a contender with Cal Ripken Jr at SS and Mark Belanger at 3B? I think yes.
Also everyone would wonder why they didn’t switch them
I wonder if the Reds think they can unlock “something” in him. He was a league average bat and posted b2b 3 win seasons in 2022 and 2023.
I dont follow the Reds very closely but if Hayes is a sizeable upgrade I can only assume they currently have a broomstick with a reds jersey on playing 3rd.
Hayes makes someone like Michael Massey look good at the plate.
The broomstick seemed like he was really putting things together lately though =/
Now that the shock has worn off I can’t help but wonder why Pit didn’t ask/get Marte back in the deal. They need potential hitting talent at the mlb level asap if they want to do anything while Skenes is under contract.
Conversely, I wonder what the Reds are planning to do with Marte now.
I think Hayes’ back is so jacked up he’ll never fulfill the promise he showed when he was first coming up as a hitter. Maybe he can dedicate himself to becoming a pure hitter for average completely and not try and lift the ball at all.
I highly doubt the reds would’ve given up Marte for Hayes
I (we) have no idea what the Reds think of Marte now other than they clearly don’t think he’s a 3B. They have a 1B in Steer. OF corners are crowded as it is. I know he played a few games in RF so maybe he’ll move there full time next year?
They were lucky to get back Stafura.
Marte will probably play the corner outfield, because that’s what they do to third basemen, they move them.
Because other than improving their infield defense, the Reds can now move Marte to RF/DH so he stops giving back the all the value he generates at the plate, and cease giving regular at-bats to Will Benson.
Swapping Marte for Hayes largely defeats the purpose of trading for him at all, especially with regard to their immediate goal of making the playoffs this season.
When Friedl is healthy again they need to stop giving regular RHP at bats to Hays AND Benson.
Benson is a drain both offensively and defensively. Hayes, though he can’t hit, is probably the best defensive player in baseball, which is how he’s been worth around 1 WAR despite his 57 wRC+. His superlative infield defense is especially for valuable for the Reds – a pitching dominant team that plays in one of the best hitter’s parks in baseball.
I was talking about Austin Hays.
Lol, my bad. I’m not a Reds fan, but I do watch them fairly often due to Elly, Burns, and Greene (healthy), and don’t recall Hays’s bat being an issue.
Genuine question – why would they need to stop giving at-bats to Hays? He has a 123 wRC+, and a 207 wRC+ vs lefties.
Vs RHP Fraley Marte Lux are stronger options. Entering yesterday Hays was at 97 WRC+ vs RHP and the other 3 are well over 100. Of the top of my head 109 154 116.
LHP he’s a monster (the rest of team sucks though(.
Anything weird the Pirates do with moves I always chalk up to Nutting being a cheap sack of shit.
Idk, what kind of deal would Hayes get if he was a FA this winter? 1 yr, 3 million?
Interesting question. I would say more than 1/3 but less than what is left on his contract.
Certainly nobody would sign him for 4 years, but I could see him getting around his current AAV on a one or two year deal with incentives and maybe a club option third year
That is a great question.
I’ll say 2 years, $10 million (total), and I feel like it would be the White Sox who would sign him.
IKF got 2/$15. That seems about right
Far more than that. 3-5 years at $5 million a year. But that is if he stayed in Pittsburg. Moving to Cincy should really help. It is a power hitters paradise and Pittsburg is a major pitching park. I expect close to 20 homers next season if nit more.
Hard to hit 20 homers on nothing but grounders.
Which is why I think defense is too overvalued in WAR calculations. No one would pay him what $/WAR says he “should” be worth on the open market.
I think it’s criminal that the Reds did not get some money in this deal.
sure clouds the future for Marte/CES & the rest of the infield logjam they keep creating. I have to think one of those guys will be moved in a pitching deal.
The Reds are currently playing Gavin Lux and Jake Fraley in the corner outfield, I think it’s pretty clear where Marte is going to be playing from now on.
His defense at 3B wasn’t exactly good anyway, he’s at -15 OAA over about a full season’s worth of work. He’s probably better than that by default, but it’s totally reasonable to move him somewhere else.
CES is about a week away from getting DFA’d. First basemen who underperform their .284 xwOBA go play overseas.
Against RHP Lux and Fraley aren’t the worst hitters of the corner OF/DH group. It’s Hayes. He’s the one that should be losing RHP at bats. We’ll see if they actually do that though.
Unrelated, among qualified hitters Hayes has the lowest wRC+ vs LHP this year at 24!
To clarify Austin Hays is the one that should sit vs RHP for Fraley/Lux/Marte.
KeBryan Hayes is the one rocking a mlb worst 24 WRC+ vs lhp.
I think I disagree with everything you just wrote.
Hays is good enough to play against right handers, he’s about league-average against them for his career and this season. Not ideal, but good enough. He’s also an excellent corner outfield defender.
Fraley could play against right-handers and should never play against left-handers, ever. It’s also an article of faith that he can hold up his hitting against right-handers going forward, he’s been very selectively deployed throughout his career.
Gavin Lux cannot play the outfield at all. He can fake second base but he’s a platoon DH on a good team, maybe first base if you don’t mind a shorter guy there (Steer is playing there now, so the Reds don’t mind). The Reds were foolish to trade for him.
Marte somehow has reverse platoon splits for his career, which I’m assuming is probably just noise. His projections are pretty weak, but there’s still room for growth.
I would argue the strongest arrangement looks a whole lot like Marte, Hays, and Fraley in a rotation in the outfield, with Fraley only ever hitting against right-handed pitching, and with Lux DH’ing against right handed pitching only and then non-tendered in the offseason.
Disagreement is healthy.
With the move to add KeBryan the Reds have a black hole in one lineup spot for elite D. They need to maximize offense at nearly every other position.
Vs RHP I’ll take the tradeoff of lesser D from Lux and Fraley for their offense over Austin Hays. He’s at 96 this year vs RHP after a 56 last year. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt that 96 is closer to his true ability at the moment. Fraley is coming in at 106 right now, Lux 116. How they deploy Fraley/Lux/Marte between RF/LF/DH vs RHP is up to them depending on the GB/FB tendencies of the SP that day, etc. But I’m going with offense over D at least to start the game.
I don’t know. He’s been pretty healthy this year but that’s not been the norm. Acting like the five years gives you a lot of runway isn’t necessarily true. His back goes to hell again and he might be struggling to walk by the time the contract is up let alone stealing bases and playing gold glove defense
I realize that since it’s the Pirates they will probably just send the money straight to the owner’s bank account and not reinvest it in the team but it’s an incredibly good move to get someone else to take on the rest of Hayes’s deal. He is just broken physically, and so he’s basically a 1.5 win player due entirely to his amazing defense at third base, and at any point his back could knock him out entirely and make him a 0 win player. Does that sound like a player you want to commit $30M to over the next four years, plus whatever his buyout is at the end? No, it is not.
But again, my enthusiasm for this deal is tempered by the fact that the Pirates are probably not going to spend that money on anything worthwhile.
Fangraphs loves defense. Fangraphs thinks it’s better than B-R because of its defensive inputs. Fangraphs loves Ke’Bryan Hayes.
This paragraph has no meaningful content, but also: Why are you paying for a membership with that attitude?
It is better than B-R because of it’s defensive inputs. Have you seen some of the crazy numbers DRS spits out?
Well sure—I didn’t even say they were wrong—but the writers overcorrect on defensive value because it’s become the site’s shining light and core to its identity, right? Players like Hayes end up getting traded for salary relief, another trade chip and an A ball prospect (other prospect coverage outlets have as Bucs #7 which is a ways away from 32 btw) and it becomes a slam dunk for Cincinnati in an article (by a writer I like, for the record) without meriting mention of Hayes saying in an interview that he no longer has fluid between the discs in his back and that it will be a chronic problem for him. And I get it. The writer doesn’t like Nutting! I’m a lifelong Pirates fan. I _hate_ Nutting. Same time, I know how he boxes in any GM( especially one as dim as Cherington) by budget so I’m glad to see a late innings defensive sub who can’t hit LHP one iota and can’t really hit RHP either gone. Ke-Bye-ryan!
The real crime is that FG hasn’t leveraged the pitcher-based FRV leaderboards to do pitching WAR properly!
I think defense is a bit overvalued in WAR calculations. I don’t subscribe so I can’t read them, but I remember in years past that they always put defense-heavy guys (not defense-first) way too high up on the trade value lists, and those are usually the ones that didn’t age well years later.
This is exactly where I am. As a Bucs’ fan, I really loved watching Key play, but his back has clearly hindered him. At his age, a bad back is a ticking time bomb and I think the Bucs were happy to get out from under that contract. Stupid thinking because they should be able to absorb it even if he becomes cooked.
It’s so funny to read the reaction here compared to other publications. The general baseball-watching public really has zero understanding of defensive value.
That aside, as a fellow long-suffering member of the Ke’Bryan Hayes fan club, I still love this for the Reds even if he never fixes his launch angle issues. Hayes, Elly, McLain, and Steer is an elite defensive infield that bolsters a Cincinnati pitching staff that’s carried them this season despite their bandbox stadium, and sliding Marte to RF/DH relieves them of the need to give Will Benson regular at-bats.
While not a high bar to clear, easily the best move of the deadline so far.
lol
I’ll bey Hayes hit 20 homers next season in Cincy! A steal if you ask me!
I’m not dismissive of defense. Certainly, great defense is valuable. And defensive metrics are as good as they’ve ever been. But they’re still variable enough that I can’t help but mentally regress, at least a little, players who lap the field several times over in OAA or DRS. (On a gut level it’s hard to accept there could even be that many additional chances that one player could reach that the second best 3B in MLB couldn’t.)
Point being, if Hayes doesn’t improve his offensive game by 20-30%, this is a bad trade for the payroll-tight Reds.
It will be interesting to see how the numbers look next to EDLC rather than IKF
While I generally agree about any relying too heavily on any individual defensive metric, since 2020, Hayes is first in DRS, first in OAA, first in FRV, third in Def, and fourth in UZR/150.
When all the metrics, and the eye test agree, I think it’s safe to agree he’s a superlative defender.
The only part i don’t like about this for CI is that with Marte, Stewart and Collier the Reds are literally three levels deep in 3B. Sure, they can stick Marte in the OF, but how good defensively does Hayes have to be to take a shot in him instead of just bringing up the guy who puts up 130/140 wRC at every minor league stop.
Sure, they didn’t give up a whole lot, but why even bother
Krall doesn’t seem like a very smart GM.
He paid Jeimer big money when they had no need for a 3B at the time.
Today, he trades for a defensive 3B in a hitter’s ballpark. This is while having Marte who will probably provide more offensively at the position than KB defensively.
Then, Krall trades for the American League pitcher that leads the AL in homeruns, again, in the best hitting park in the majors now.
I don’t get this guy. I am a Cubs fan, so it’s ok, but I am baffled every single time he makes a move.
No mention of Hayes’ chronic back issues, which certainly dinged his value. He missed time in 2023 due to back problems and a lot more time in 2024.
He made some mechanical adjustments with his swing this year (he follows through with two hands now instead of one) to try to put less stress on his back, which has apparently worked since he’s been healthy thus far.
Aa for him as a hitter, I’ve lived in Pittsburgh each of the last three seasons and have seen a LOT of Hayes. He’s one of the most puzzling players I’ve ever closely followed.
When you watch his ABs, it doesn’t feel like you’re watching a bad hitter. He sprays line drives all over the place and consistently hits the ball hard, but then you look up his numbers at the end of a homestand and he’s got nothing to show for it.
I think simply getting the hell out of pittsburgh will do wonders for him.
I’m going to post this here because I can’t think of a better place to post this –
What in G-d’s green earth is Ben Cherington doing this trade deadline?
I suppose I shouldn’t have had a scintilla of optimism, given the historical record, but I cannot imagine a series of trades that displayed less strategic or tactical acumen than the one he just put together.
Of course Hayes homers in his first game for Cincy.
369 feet, 101 mph.