Reworking the Blue Jays Pitching Staff

Making wholesale role changes two weeks into the season is not likely a sound strategy, as the decisions leading up to Opening Day take in much more reliable information with considerably more history than a few appearances in April. Likewise, taking promising starters who have yet to prove they cannot start and sending them to the bullpen where they will pitch considerably fewer innings is not ideal either. Yet that is where the Toronto Blue Jays sit heading into the third week of the season. The Blue Jays were dealt a blow in Spring Training when Marcus Stroman was lost for the year after a knee injury that required surgery, and they are still reeling from that loss.

A battle for the fifth spot in the rotation between Daniel Norris, Aaron Sanchez, and Marco Estrada shifted as the Blue Jays anointed two of their top three prospects as starters to begin the season. With Aaron Sanchez struggling, Daniel Norris beginning the season with a dead arm, and a young bullpen that has already switched closers, the Blue Jays pitching staff has provided more questions than answers.

In five starts this season, Norris and Sanchez have combined for 22 innings and 15 strikeouts while giving up 12 walks and five home runs. The poor performance and low innings totals thus far have put a strain on an inexperienced bullpen. The Blue Jays 47 2/3 innings pitched out of the bullpen are tied for fourth Major League Baseball, but they’re not getting worked so much because they’re dominating when called upon; those innings have come with a 4.16 FIP, ranking 26th in MLB. The Blue Jays bullpen is both performing poorly and getting overworked, never a good combination for mid-April.

Balancing short-term success with long-term projections for prospects is a difficult proposition. Aaron Sanchez is just 22 years old and pitched well out of the bullpen in limited time in 2014. He gave up just four earned runs in 33 innings while striking out 27, giving up just one home run and putting up a very good 2.80 FIP. He has already given up six earned runs this year with two home runs in under nine innings. The Blue Jays are likely wary about pulling the plug on Sanchez as starter so soon after the season’s start, and two starts is not enough to determine success or failure on the starting experiment, but Sanchez could help stabilize the bullpen, and Marco Estrada could assume his spot in the rotation providing equivalent present production as a starter with Sanchez’s stuff playing up in the bullpen and upgrading high leverage situations as well.

Heading into the season, there were questions about Sanchez’s future role between starting and relief. Kiley McDaniel ranked Sanchez the No. 3 prospect in Toronto’s system and No. 70 overall, and in his notes from the Blue Jays’ evaluations discussed Sanchez as a starter and his potential future role in the bullpen.

Sanchez sits 93-97 and hits 99 mph [as] a starter with good life to his plus plus heater. His curveball often flashes plus but could be more consistent, while his changeup has made strides in recent years to now flash solid average, but it will back up at times when he’s more thrower than pitcher. Sanchez has worked hard at the upper level sto try to develop the starter traits necessary to stick in a rotation, but the question remains if he fits better there or as a closer.

The Blue Jays could provide Sanchez with a prominent role coming out of the bullpen, and let him go multiple innings in some spots to continue his development. A full season in the bullpen could cement his role there, but it does not foreclose his opportunity as a starter if the organization still feels he has a shot to stick in the rotation similar to what the St. Louis Cardinals have done with Carlos Martinez over the last year. Marco Estrada is not going to be a huge upgrade over Sanchez, but he will do Marco Estrada-like things, striking hitters out at an average to above average rate, walking hitters at an average clip and generating a ton of infield flies, while giving up home runs in the process. He will not be great, likely not even good, but he should provide innings at above a replacement level and be more valuable in the rotation than out of the pen. The combination of Estrada starting and Sanchez relieving is likely to be more impactful for the Jays than vice versa.

While there has been some debate about Sanchez being better suited as a reliever, fewer questions exist regarding Daniel Norris. Kiley McDaniel ranked Norris as the top Blue Jays’ prospect entering the season and No. 17 in all of baseball.

Norris runs his fastball up to 96 mph with above average to plus off-speed pitches and good feel to pitch; there’s #2/3 starter upside and he likely won’t spend much more time in the minors.

The velocity on Norris’ fastball has not been as good as it was when he hit 96 miles per hour in his debut last season, sitting around 91-92 miles per hour with just one pitch above 95 miles per hour this season, per Brooks Baseball. After yesterday’s start where he could not make through the third inning against the Atlanta Braves, Norris believes he has identified the culprit–the dreaded dead arm.

Norris admitted his pitches have not come out with the same life and that his problems surfaced in the exhibition series in Montreal, but that he believed his dead arm period should resolve itself shortly, per the Toronto Sun. That would be very good news for Toronto because their options to replace Norris if he needs to dial things down or move to the bullpen are underwhelming.

Jeff Francis came up from Triple-A and relieved Norris on Sunday, pitching 3 1/3 scoreless innings. After getting major league shots with three different organizations last year, it is not clear he has much to offer, especially as a starter. Randy Wolf has made two starts for the Blue Jays Triple-A team in Buffalo, but missed all of 2013 after Tommy John surgery and spent time in four different organizations last season. Roberto Osuna has pitched well out of the bullpen, striking out nine against three walks in eight scoreless innings, but like closer and fellow rookie Miguel Castro, he has never pitched above A-ball before this season. Liam Hendricks has starting experience, but has not been able to stick long-term and has actually pitched well out of the bullpen so far this season.

The Blue Jays offense has scored more runs than any other MLB team after the first two weeks of the season, and it should continue to be a strength moving forward. While the team could probably use a few more innings from Drew Hutchison, the performance of the team’s top three starters in R.A. Dickey, Mark Buehrle and Hutchison should be fairly stable as the season goes on. The team could flip the roles of Aaron Sanchez and Marco Estrada to potentially help both the bullpen and the rotation, but if Daniel Norris’ dead arm does not recover soon, the Blue Jays have few options to keep the back end of the rotation productive.





Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.

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Ballfan
11 years ago

Osuna to the rotation
Sanchez to the pen
crazy?
probably

CM52
11 years ago
Reply to  Ballfan

If Osuna joins a rotation, it will be in AA at the highest.

Ben
11 years ago
Reply to  Ballfan

Osuna pitched 35 innings last year, and 42 the year before. Not useful for long as a starter this year.

Lukas
11 years ago

They seem like an ideal fit for Dillon Gee, who like Estrada can eat innings at a league average level. Probably costs little to acquire as well.

Brett Lawrie's Butt
11 years ago
Reply to  Lukas

Dioner Navarro for Dillon Gee?

MARK LIU
11 years ago

Why not? I mean…D’Arnaud is back doing d’Arnaud things…

jal179
11 years ago
Reply to  Lukas

I like that idea a lot…

Need to move Sanchez to the pen. Estrada in the 5 spot for the time being.

When Stroman went down I felt our chance at the AL East went with him.

Hutch will wake up.

What are the odds Hamels ends up in TO? 5%? 20%? Would imagine the Bosox and Dodgers will lead that list

Mark
11 years ago

Moving Sanchez to the BP and Estrada to the rotation would fix a few problems. The bullpen would be pretty strong at that point – have you seen Hendrik’s career #’s out of the pen? He’s a totally different guy, as is Sanchez. The defence is strong enough to make the pitching look better than it is, but they gotta cut down the walks and homers for that to happen, unfortunately.

Losing Stroman really hurts :(.

grant
11 years ago

To survive the Stroman injury a few things had to come together. In the early going that hasn’t happened.

Should send Norris down until his dead arm passes, plug Estrada in for the short term at least.

They also have Felix Dubront on a minor league deal. If he can pull it together he might see significant innings.

Chris
11 years ago

Why does Sanchez get so much credit/thought for being a good pitcher?
He can’t get out LHB, walks too many people, and can’t get swinging strikes.

He is nothing more then a ROGGY reliever now.

Kevin
11 years ago
Reply to  Chris

he’s also just 22, and we’re also just 2 starts into the season. give it time. his numbers were fine versus lefties last season.

What
11 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

His BABIP/LOB% clouded a lot of that, but Sanchez walked 11% of the lefties he faced. Given what we knew about him (poor change up, poor command, no 3rd pitch), he is pretty much a carbon copy type to struggle against opposite handed hitters.

Tom
11 years ago

The Brooks table linked shows all of Norris pitches above 94 mph, except for the last game in which the sinker was just below 93. Seems in line with 2014 season. Am I looking at the table wrong?

Mario MendozaMember since 2017
11 years ago
Reply to  Tom

Yeah, Norris’ PitchFX velo charts on FG look to be in line with last year, too.

Anthony Desclafani
11 years ago

Sup guys

Kendall Graveman
11 years ago

nothing

just chilling

Sean Nolin
11 years ago

aww

Kyle Drabek
11 years ago
Reply to  Sean Nolin

Lol sup

StroShow
11 years ago
Reply to  Sean Nolin

I’ll be back in September and October. We have the technology!

Asher Wojciechowski
11 years ago

Hey dude.

Henderson Alvarez
11 years ago

Hola amigos como estan?

StroShow
11 years ago

Where’s Syndergaard in this conversation? You guys forget about him?

Patrick
11 years ago

Give it one more week but things do not look good right now. Dickey is faltering as well. Hutchison may be the biggest concern.

Bandon Morrow
11 years ago

Tor manager is the worst in the league at handling anything to do with pitching how can this surprise anyone…

ABsteve
11 years ago
Reply to  Bandon Morrow

he should tell them to strike guys out, and quit walking people. And quit giving up home-runs…stupid manager

Psy Jung
11 years ago
Reply to  Bandon Morrow

Gibbons is one of the finer bullpen managers, though he has his unfortunate tendencies like anyone else (i.e. leaving Dickey in too long).

everdiso
11 years ago

Not sure i buy Norris’ dead-arm theory but i’m still bullish on him being an effective sp this year once his command comes back.

I have a hard time seeing any clear road to success for sanchez as an sp this year, though, and i’m not 100% sold that he’d be a clear upgrade in the ‘pen, either.

but their struggles wouldn’t hurt so bad if Hutch gets his ish together.

Estrada replacing Sanchez? sure. i figured he would have opened in the rotation to begin with.

Osuna replacing Sanchez? now that’s intriguing.

Sanchez as the centerpiece of a deal for an Ace? even more intriguing.

Re: Norris command
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

Norris has never graded well as a guy who can make quality pitches in the strike zone. He’s known as someone with phenomenal stuff, who mostly ‘outstuffs’ hitters in the minors. Sure he was throwing more strikes last year in the minor leagues, and that’s encouraging, but he’s unrefined.

He needs to be able to execute quality pitches within the strike zone multiple times an at-bat to have a chance to work through major league lineups ~3 times a game. He hasn’t shown himself capable of doing that.

Impossibles
11 years ago

Seems like an unusually high number of the prospects the Jays traded away have become regular MLB players… I’m confused if that means the Jays are doing a nice job of drafting or a poor job of asset management.

Damaso
11 years ago
Reply to  Impossibles

Yan Gomes stings a lot.

Alvarez and Lawrie sting a bit but its eorth it.

D’Arnaud and Syndergaard and Barreto haven’t stung yet but might.

But i’m not sure you’ll find many jays fans losing sleep over Desclafani/Graveman/Gose/Marisnick/Hechavarria/etc.

But if you want to argue the jays’ system has been underrated, i’m listening.

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  Damaso

Correction: Lawrie stings none. None whatsoever. Turning an underperforming, oft-injured Lawrie into the raking Josh Donaldson could not possibly hurt less.

ABsteve
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

it wasn’t Lawrie straight up though, he might not sting that much on his own, but Barreto was the top IFA in his signing period, that’s gonna hurt. AA can really set up a scouting department, but he tries to rush the process with all these trades all the time. He had no pressure on him to compete in the 2012 off-season, I have no clue why he went “all in” like he did, taking on all that salary to run out incomplete teams with payroll constraints the last few years is going to end up costing him his job I think.

Jim
11 years ago
Reply to  Damaso

We may lose sleep over Desclafani.

knewit
11 years ago
Reply to  Impossibles

Maybe it changed, but the coaching is Toronto in the last 6 years really is abysmal. If you’re not a pull hitter who hits dongers or a pitcher who already has their means to success, you’re going to flounder. When Dwayne Murphy came in he turned Aaron Hill and Adam Lind from well rounded hitters playing to their strengths into swing happy cretins that only try to hit home runs and pop up instead. Nepotism hiring at its finest.

IMMEDIATELY after leaving Toronto, Aaron Hill rebounds in the same season he is traded, and puts up an sub-MVP season after it before injuries got to him. Adam Lind was fortunate to stay around long enough for that useless fool of a hitting coach to get canned, and with a new hitting coach that literally doesn’t do anything, he just went back to his old ways and started hitting again. And let’s not even get started on Brandon Morrow.

Kevin
11 years ago
Reply to  knewit

nah… Hill has been up and down his entire career, both with the Blue Jays and elsewhere. He’s pretty much an enigma.

and Lind? Lind had his breakout power year in 2009, which was also the only year he has ever hit lefties at a respectable level. the following two years proved that to be an aberration and he was severely exposed. since they started limiting his AB’s vs lefties, his numbers have ticked back up. the Jays sold high on his BABIP fueled 2014.

Damaso
11 years ago
Reply to  knewit

yep, there haven’t been any player breakthroughs in toronto over the last 6 years, iirc.

I don't even..
11 years ago
Reply to  knewit

There’s just a lot of wrong here to unravel.

ABsteve
11 years ago
Reply to  knewit

meh.. Jose Bautista, and Edwin Encaracion trump three Aaron Hills getting ruined if that’s what even happened, they finally smartened up and quit putting Lind in against lefties, I’ll admit they were dumb about that, but I don’t think that’s Jays specific. I read quotes from his new manager that they were going to let him face lefties until he proved he couldn’t hit them.

Emilio Bonifacio
11 years ago

Hello sample size my old friend….I’ve come to talk with you again.

GreenCoyote
11 years ago

No mention of Liam Hendriks? He seemed to figure something out last year in AAA and put up phenomenal MLEs as a SP. He has carried over the gains in control, K/9, and GB% to this year. I see him as an ideal candidate to replace Sanchez who seems to be destined for the bullpen.

joser
11 years ago

Isn’t “Dead Arm” usually a premonition of (or euphemism for) injury? I don’t have a study to back this up, but it seems like many of the pitchers who show up with a “dead arm” during the season show up on the DL (or in a surgery room) not long after.

Kevin
11 years ago
Reply to  joser

not necessarily. teams often don’t have any idea what to do with a “dead” arm, and so if it persists, usually the player ends up on the DL for rest or conditioning. Norris says he has had this before with no ill effects.

Kevin
11 years ago

i’m not too worried about the bullpen. the main culprits in the underperformance have been Redmond (DFA), Hynes (demoted), Loup and Cecil, who have decent track records and should get their shit together in short order. Castro and Osuna have looked fine, and so has Liam Hendriks, who has seen his stuff tick up in shorter stints. He’s now sitting at 93 with the fastball and a much tighter slider, to go with his solid command profile. that’s 5 solid pen arms, as many as most teams have. still have Delabar hanging around in AAA too.

Clutchlings
11 years ago

While I am inclined to agree with Norris when he says it’s just a dead arm phase, let’s not forget he’s had elbow issues in each of the last two seasons. One was a precautionary shutdown, the other was bone chips, but those are partially raised red flags.

radivel
11 years ago

-C

BlueBirdBanter members will know what I’m talking about here.