Rich Hill, the Newest Met
As of Thursday night, the Mets’ starting rotation featured Marcus Stroman, Taijuan Walker, Tylor Megill, and a sentient ball of string who showed promise in Low-A. Fine, I made up the last one, but if you told the Mets front office about this ball of string, they’d at least ask you for its Trackman data. A seemingly unending string of injuries left the team grasping for pitching — any pitching at all. Enter Rich Hill, in a trade with the Rays:
We’ve acquired left-handed pitcher Rich Hill from Tampa Bay in exchange for right-handed pitcher Tommy Hunter and minor league catcher Matt Dyer. https://t.co/P24Fo2HoYd
— New York Mets (@Mets) July 23, 2021
At a very basic level, the Mets had to make this trade. Jacob deGrom is on the shelf. David Peterson broke his foot walking around. Carlos Carrasco and Noah Syndergaard aren’t ready. Joey Lucchesi tore his UCL. Robert Stock, who was already 10th or so on the depth chart, strained his hamstring. Forget replacement level — Hill represents an upgrade from subterranean level. To some extent, any trade at all would be a win, in that it would leave them able to field a roster.
But Hill isn’t merely roster depth. He’s one of the most interesting pitchers in baseball, a curve-and-fastball machine who has spent years pumping sub-90 mph gas past hitters while bamboozling them with a dazzling array of breaking balls. Heck, earlier this year he was named the AL Pitcher of the Month (it’s not the most prestigious award, but it’s an award) in May, when he posted a 0.78 ERA over 34.2 innings.
Of course, there are other months in the year, and the rest of Hill’s 2021 hasn’t gone nearly so well. In total he sported a 3.87 ERA and 4.55 FIP with the Rays, both of which are the highest marks he’s posted since bursting back onto the scene in 2015. His 9.9% swinging strike rate is better only than his abbreviated 2020 season, and he wasn’t exactly great then either. There’s a strong chance that Hill’s 2021 season will be his last stand.
It gets worse! At the beginning of June, MLB released some now-infamous guidance about foreign substances. Spin rates declined across the league, even before the June 21 enforcement date, as pitchers felt the heat. Without pointing any fingers, let’s just say that Hill’s fastball lost its usual bite in the aftermath:
| Date | Velo | Spin | Spin/Velo | V Break | Whiff% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Before June 1 | 88.8 | 2384 | 26.8 | 20.2″ | 29.70% |
| After June 1 | 87.7 | 2250 | 25.7 | 19″ | 15% |
In essence, Hill’s fastball has gotten worse in every way. It’s slower, and it spins less even after accounting for the loss of speed. That means it rises less relative to gravity (using Baseball Savant’s measurements), which means hitters have an easier time getting their bat on it. Whatever the cause — and given that he’s losing velocity and spin in tandem, fatigue or injury is certainly an option — Hill’s fastball has been a disaster. Before June 1, it was worth 2.1 runs above average. Since then, it’s cost him 5.5 runs relative to average.
His signature curveball has suffered the same fate:
| Date | Velo | Spin | Spin/Velo | V Break | Whiff% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Before June 1 | 72.8 | 2803 | 38.5 | -13.1″ | 25.50% |
| After June 1 | 70.9 | 2589 | 36.5 | -11.5″ | 16% |
Again, it’s an across-the-board problem. The curve has still been effective — he spots it for strikes adroitly — but it simply doesn’t have the same bat-missing juice that it had earlier in the year, much less at his air-bending peak.
Whatever the reason, Hill has been mostly ineffective over the past month and change. Things didn’t get better yesterday in his Mets debut, when he went five uneven innings with only a single strikeout. Potentially even worse, he didn’t generate a single whiff; every time a Blue Jay swung, they made contact. The last time Hill didn’t generate any whiffs was in a start in 2018 that he left after two pitches.
Aside from this most recent start, none of this decline was unknown. Hill’s star had faded in Tampa Bay. He hadn’t finished the fifth inning in three of his final seven starts there, and one of those led to some characteristically Hill-ian frustration. With Luis Patiño waiting in the wings, his spot in the rotation was tenuous at best.
As a result, the Mets didn’t give up much in the deal. Tommy Hunter is in the trade as a salary offset; he likely won’t pitch again this year, and given that he’s on a one-year deal, he may never even set foot in St. Petersburg. But his prorated $2.25 million deal matches up well with Hill’s $2.5 million salary, and hey, why not take a lottery ticket shot at a reliever who has always been effective when healthy?
The true meat of the return is Matt Dyer, a catcher/corner infielder/corner outfielder who the Mets selected in the fourth round of the 2020 draft. He’s in his age-22 season and playing in Low-A, roughly half a year older than the average player in the Low-A Southeast League. He struck out nearly a third of the time there, and that doesn’t look like a fluke; he’s only making contact on two thirds of his swings, well below league average. He was uneven offensively in college as well, and whiffs will likely always be a part of his game.
The Rays have historically done very well with minor trade pieces, and there’s certainly a lot to like about Dyer’s game. He hits for power and takes walks, which makes the strikeouts more palatable. He has a strong arm, always a nice base for a catcher. Catchers have a lower offensive bar — strikeout issues that might doom a corner infielder to obscurity are totally fine behind the plate. Given that Dyer is new-ish to the position, an uptick in his receiving would change his profile considerably. Without that, though, there might not be enough here. The whiffs are nothing new, and players who strike out that much in the low minors don’t often reach the majors. This feels like a bet on whether the team can turn him into a plus behind the plate.
When a team decides to trade for a pitcher, they’d prefer a great one. When a team decides to give up on a veteran, they’d prefer a can’t-miss prospect in return. But the Mets had to pick whoever was available, and Hill’s talent level dictated the Rays’ light return. Would they have taken a mountain of prospects for him? Of course! Would the Mets have given that mountain up in exchange for a better pitcher? Maybe — they don’t have many prospects to spare, but they could really use the help. But we don’t live in any of those worlds. In this world, the Rays had a fringy starter, and the Mets had a fringy prospect, so they made a swap. Everyone’s a winner — except the minor league journeyman who would have taken Hill’s spot in the rotation if the Mets hadn’t acquired him.
Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.
Everyone continues to explain the reasoning for the Rays doing this trade to me and I still can’t entirely understand it. What if Patino struggles? What if Archer looks like 2019 Chris Archer.
The Rays tend to always look good in these types of moves because they’re extremely good at what they do, so I probably shouldn’t doubt them. But at some point, it feels like one of these is going to come back and bite them.
The Rays seem to think they’re set with McLanahan, Patino, Yarbrough, Fleming, and Wacha as their five guys who pitch 3-5 innings at a time. More for Yarbrough and I think they’re trusting McLanahan a bit more too.
I think that the Rays are playing with fire if they think that these guys are going to provide enough innings to keep pace with the Red Sox, but I’ve been thinking that every year and somehow they manage to avoid gassing their bullpen. So they clearly don’t agree.
The main reason why I think this trade makes sense for the Rays is that Rich Hill might be busted. Maybe the sticky stuff was the only reason why he could pitch so well, or maybe he just doesn’t know how to pitch without it. But they were probably worried he couldn’t keep finessing his way through the lineup (his K-rate is something 2/3rds what it was earlier in the year) and they probably thought they were going to have to DFA him soon. I’d just like it better if they weren’t trusting Chris Archer being a competent pitcher again as their backup plan.
I think this is pretty much it. The Rays are almost assuredly going to need innings at some point, but they also think Hill is cooked (in fairness, Hill is always a pitch or two away from being cooked and it’s a shame) and wanted to get something for him before they couldn’t get anything. Adding Cruz and then trading a very cheap Rich Hill doesn’t make a ton of sense unless you’re worried about Hill.
Given all that it’s more surprising to me that the Mets wanted to make the deal, but they’re in desperation phase so you might as well fire away.
Extremely desperate! The Mets might not even be done adding pitchers after this. Unfortunately, they’re almost entirely out of mid-level prospects who they could swap for a guy like Tyler Anderson. Maybe Carlos Cortes and/or Jaylen Palmer. So they might have to go to shopping for a more controllable pitcher.
Hill might only make 2-3 starts before getting DFA’d. The cost was virtually nothing. It’s a good move to get the Mets through the next few weeks, not a move to strengthen the postseason roster.
I was literally thinking the same thing. He’ll probably stick doing something, but there’s a chance he might not make it through the first week of August.
I also wouldn’t be surprised to see him put up a 4 IP / 8 ER line where he gets shelled early and has to wear it, which ain’t gonna sit well with a proud veteran, but is what this team needs to get through the injury bug and get ready for the stretch run.
Eh if he doesn’t work out as a starter he could always be the second lefty player n the pen and starting pitching depth.
He was throwing 84 yesterday. Literally 84. Not like he ever threw hard, but earlier in the year he was around 90 generally. It looks like he is cooked, but I’ve been wrong on him before, so who knows.
Isn’t Glasnow ahead of schedule too?
They may not think they’re set, and almost assuredly don’t believe they’re set, but decided that Hill will not be part of the solution over the last two months. They may believe post sticky stuff he’ll be a net negative, or at least replaceable, so they did a very Rays-like thing: they traded what they viewed as a fungible asset and added yet another interesting depth piece to their farm that can potentially pay dividends down the road. Play for today and tomorrow. No harm now (perhaps), while increasing their ability to make a future trade. That’s the missing piece. We view this deal in isolation, while the Rays will likely make an additional move(s) by Friday.
Apparently Hill also had some Snell-esque frustration at the way he was being used (short starts, once or maybe twice through the order, etc.). So, with Patino ready and – presumably – willing to step in, I think it’s fine. They gave up a marginal starter for a lotto ticket and maybe some small but unmeasurable increase in clubhouse atmosphere/team chemistry.
Other than Miami , Detroit and Seattle, the Rays are facing off against powerhouse offenses or good offenses with great right-handed bats.
I don’t think it matters if the schedules evened out more of the Indian and Mariner types but essentially if he’s gonna average 5 innings of efficient ball it’s going to be against the worst possible competition.
Just don’t think out of all the talent they have that he would be able to outlast those lineups , either he fatigues from throwing too many pitches or don’t pitch enough innings to be effective or he gets hurt. It’s not as big of an issue in the NL East, although defense behind him will be susceptible to throwing around barrels.
it’s a win win imo
What’s hard to understand? Hill’s ERA over his last seven starts is 5.40. He’s given up 2 HR per 9 during that stretch. He blew up in five of those seven starts and in the sixth he walked five in five innings. Even when much younger he didn’t often go as many as his 95 ip as of the deal. No well-run, authentic contender would be giving Hill innings at this point in his season and at his age. The Rays certainly weren’t going to—so why not get a modest prospect for him while he’s on his way out the door?
Good stuff here, and the essential points can’t be clearer: the Mets really needed an arm, and the Rays believe in projects. Can I suggest one edit? Tylor Megill is in his rookie season with the team that drafted him. “Journeyman” doesn’t seem like a good description. And, as one commenter on a Mets fan site put it, I’m really excited for the first Fangraphs piece on Megill’s pretty fantastic first 30 innings.
Removed that, which was a remnant from when it said “journeyman Robert Stock” before I actually looked at the depth charts and realized he was slated for TJ.
Uh, Stock has a hammy strain. Who’s slated for TJ?
Hoo boy, that’s what I get for writing this right after I woke up in the morning. TJ should say ‘surgery’. I think he’s gonna be out the rest of the year, but for hamstring surgery, not TJ. Not my finest hour for sure.
Megill has been surprisingly good! I like to think as a diehard Mets fan I had some idea who he was at any point prior to his call up but he has been a breath of fresh air. Not only soaking up some innings (particularly in the last two starts) but being really effective while doing it!
That’s kind of how the Mets have panned out in recent years. Bunch of starters go down, some nobody surprises with solid results. But the #4/#5 spots are still subreplacement after 8 guys hit the DL.
Yeah, I can’t really figure out why the Rays would want to do this still. They just brought in Cruz, and Hill is exactly the type of guy you’d want around for a playoff push. Even with him playing worse recently.
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They save 99k with this trade. Whoopppeeee.
You want a mid 5 FIP/xFIP SP for a playoff push who has a terrible track record of pitching deep into the year? He’s about to come up to his max starts he’s made in a year and he’s 41. He’s gassed. Never mind making room for Patino and Archer, two better pitchers. Not to mention Glasnow is likely back by the end of the year so instead of DFA’ing Hill in a month they traded him for a flyer. It’s the Rays Way.
I agree with you. To play devils advocate, he has beaten his fip constantly since his comeback with red sox, and has nearly always been ready/effective in the postseason.
Interestingly, Hill didn’t get even one swing and miss yesterday afternoon in 5+ innings not even vs the opposing pitcher! He was very economical the first five innings throwing just 49 pitches but he couldn’t get anyone out the third time through the order. I’m fine with this trade as the Mets were(and still are), badly in need of pitching in fact they don’t have a starter listed for game two today or tomorrow’s game and I have no clue who would start in either game. The fact that Walker, who hasn’t pitched this many innings since 2017 and has struggled mightily his last 4-5 starts adds to the possible need for another starter to lighten the load for Walker and maybe skip him a time or two through the rotation. Megill has been brilliant and I’d like him to continue to get starts but if they get a guy and Carrasco and deGrom come back soon then Megill could be a multi inning guy in the bullpen down the stretch and in the playoffs before going back to being a starter next year. Carrasco could be back by the weekend but isn’t totally stretched out as he’s only gone three innings on his latest start so personally I’d give him one more rehab start where he’s stretched out to five innings. Hill still dominates lefties so maybe he goes to the bullpen late in the year and helps out there.
Where’s Sidd Finch when you need him?
I heard he’s on the Liechtenstein Olympic water polo team. With that arm…..deadly in the pool.
It’s a curious question. He’s gotta be in his mid-50s, and has lost a couple ticks on his fastball, but word is he can still top 135 mph.
I JUST WANT TO GET THROUGH ONE ARTICLE ON MONILE BEFORE IT SCREWS UP AND RANDOMLY REFRESHES
does that on my phone, but not my pc.
In these comments a bunch of people who know zero about how the Rays operate, 40 man concerns/prospects, AAA depth, injuries, and how badly Rich Hill has been for the last two months. The RFO and Cash has made it clear Patino is up to stay, Baz is waiting in AAA, Archer is almost finished with his rehab stint (and needs to be rostered regardless if you think he’s going to be worse or not you won’t know unless he gets the opportunity), and Enns has been stretched out and looks like he’d be way better than Hill.
That said, neither is Wacha. I imagine he’s gone soon too. Some mixture of McClanny, Patino, Yarb, Fleming, and Archer with some openers perhaps for Fleming (Rasmussen) is the way forward. Glasnow looks like he’ll be back before the end of the season too. You have Enns and Baz in AAA in “break in case of emergency” type spot. Hill just has no spot here. Might as well take a flyer.
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This definitely has “2020 Tommy Milone to the Braves” vibes if you ask me. Just need someone who is physically able to pitch 4ish innings for a bit until something better is available.
Hill’s almost certainly done for the year, but it was beyond absurd to watch the Mets luck into 5 innings of shutout ball from him, have him come up in the bottom of the 5th with 2 out and men on 1st and 2nd in a game they led 1-0, and somehow not ph for him despite having regulars on the bench. It was justice, then, that Hill, a .114 career singles hitter, struck out before immediately loading the bases with no outs in the 6th, necessitating his removal.
A FO bad enough to think Hill is even a stopgap given the Mets dicey division lead, Hill’s advanced age, and his recent abysmal performance; and a manager bad enough to leave Hill in to bat for himself despite what was almost certainly the end of his useful life on the mound in that game? Was Rojas really hoping to squeeze one more inning from the oldest starter in the majors on his third trip through the lineup despite having a rested bullpen? The Mets remain plagued by foolishness and ineptitude. The players deserve much better than this.
Mets two games after are bullpen games that’s why they tried to get another inning otherwise they’d normally pull him.
My personal anecdotal belief is that “one more inning!” is by far the biggest mistake managers make over any other, in a landslide.