Scouting Baltimore’s Return for Zach Britton
Baltimore’s deadline purge of big-league mainstays continued Tuesday night as they sent LHP Zach Britton to the division rival Yankees for a trio of pitching prospects: RHPs Dillon Tate and Cody Carroll, as well as LHP Josh Rogers.
Barring something unforeseen, all three of the new Orioles have a probability of contributing at some level in the majors, as all three are upper-level arms with at least playable big-league stuff. As seemed to also be the case in the Manny Machado deal, Baltimore has (consciously or not) prioritized quantity and probability over potential impact as they begin their rebuild in earnest. Other than a fully realized Tate, none of the pitchers acquired for Britton is likely to be more than a role-playing big leaguer.
So let’s tart with Tate, as he’s not only the player with the best draft pedigree but also the deal’s most volatile piece. He entered his junior year at UC Santa Barbara having thrown just 46 collegiate total innings as an underclassman — this due to having worked out of the bullpen as a sophomore and having barely worked at all as a freshman. But he had the best stuff on a staff that also included Cleveland rookie Shane Bieber and enough strike-throwing ability to start, so he was moved into UCSB’s rotation and asked to throw more than twice as many innings in one season than he had in his entire career to that point.
He was 93-96 with a plus slider throughout the spring and his shortcomings (most significantly fastball command) could be explained away by citing Tate’s lack of reps up to that point, with teams logically hopeful things like fastball command and a third pitch would develop with time and pro development. The Rangers selected him fourth overall in the 2015 draft.
It’s quite possible that the evaluations of Tate at the time were accurate. Since becoming a professional, however, he has endured two trades (he was New York’s primary return from Texas for Carlos Beltran in 2016), multiple injuries (trap injury suffered lifting weights in college, shoulder and hamstring issues with Texas, quad injury this year), and velocity fluctuations. As a result, he remains largely the same pitcher who went No. 4 overall, for better and worse. His fastball now sits in the 91-95 range and has relatively little movement. Both of Tate’s secondary offerings — a slider and changeup — have bat-missing action but play down because Tate’s fastball command doesn’t allow him to set them up in sequence and he throws too many non-competitive changeups.
He has mid-rotation stuff but relief-only fastball command, and Tate’s range of potential outcomes spans that continuum, assuming good health. We evaluate players independent of their parent org’s player-development prowess, but it’s worth noting that Tate, who clearly needs to develop to fulfill his potential, is headed from the org that is arguably best in baseball at developing pitchers, to the Orioles.
Carroll and Rogers are much more stable prospects but lack Tate’s upside if he actualizes his stuff. Rogers is a 24-year-old Triple-A lefty whose plus command enables a 40 fastball (it has enough tail to be considered a 45, if you like) to play against upper-level minor-league hitting. He also has an above-average slider and average change. It’s a near-ready, fifth-starter package.
Carroll is a hard-throwing reliever who typically sits 94-98. He has a slider and splitter, both about average in aggregate but of inconsistent quality. He looks like a solid middle reliever with a chance to be a tad more if a true plus secondary pitch can be developed.
From a Future Value standpoint, Carroll is a 40 (near-ready middle relief) as is Rogers (fifth starter), while Tate is a 40+ (likely reliever with chance to be more). That feels light if we’re talking about it as a return for peak Zach Britton but pretty solid when narrowing one’s scope to the current version of that pitcher.
Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.
“…[I]t’s worth noting that Tate, who clearly needs to develop to fulfill his potential, is headed from the org that is arguably best in baseball at developing pitchers, to the Orioles.”
Brutally hilarious way of putting this…
FG on fire today – to borrow Dan Szymborski’s words: “In the case of developing Gausman, the O’s have been like a mediocre Rumpelstiltskin, spinning gold into less gold.”
It stings, but it’s not wrong.
While Tate is certainly still a wild card given his history to now, it is no mystery why the O’s keep taking close-to-majors prospects. Their development system is terrible and so hopefully the guys they are taking are mostly ready and require less development than taking a lot of low-A, high upside lottery tickets.
I think there’s another part of this as well: The Orioles think they can win again in 3 or so years, and so they want guys who are ready to go in 2020. I have no idea why they think that, but that’s my impression.
This is the same line the Royals are approaching their org from. They clearly see their Lexington team as being the next “wave”, and so they supplemented them with fast moving college pitchers in the draft this year.
I too am skeptical it’s going to work.
I think the Royals’ situation was sort of defensible since a lot of those guys were actually decent value. Brady Singer was being talked about as a Top 5-10 pick, Jackson Kowar was pegged by some as going around #20, and I think Daniel Lynch was ranked #23 on Kiley and Eric’s board.
I don’t think that the Class A team has a lot of value on it, so I don’t think the syncing up will work either, but I think the Royals made decent calls anyway.
I don’t believe the front office is delusional about being competitive in that short of a time frame, instead I think they just want to limit how bad they’ll be. We’re talking about a franchise that went without a winning record over fourteen seasons from 1998 through 2011, regularly ranks in the bottom third for attendance, and has another MLB team less than 50 miles away. Plus, Peter Angelos is 89 years old. I don’t think the organization or the city has the stomach for a prolonged rebuilding effort. 75-80 wins probably is the goal for the next few years.
As seemed to also be the case in the Manny Machado deal, Baltimore has (consciously or not) prioritized quantity and probability over potential impact as they begin their rebuild in earnest.
The race to 75 wins begins!
Very interesting trade. Not at all what I was expecting. Any chance the O’s quickly slot these guys onto the MLB roster? Probably not Tate, but the other 2.
I know Rogers had been noted as a potential option for the Yankees when Montgomery went down, but they went with German, Loaisiga and have more recently opted for Luis Cessa. Not sure what that says about him specifically..
Why did this guy fetch so much more than Familia? Is it just because the Mets FO is that bad?
Yes.
Much like Inigo Montoya and the Man In Black, Familia is not lefthanded. Seems like Yanks overpaid for that specifically.
Eric,
I believe you’re underestimating Carroll. He has a 55/60 slider on his Prospects Report. In 2017 Carroll averaged more than 12K/9 in high A, AA and then was unscored upon in 9 games in the Arizona Fall League, pitching multiple innings in several appearances.
This season in AAA, he is undefeated, is striking out a hair less than 12/9, leads the Eastern League in saves, has a FIP of 2.26 that meshes nicely with a 2.38 ERA, and has not allowed a single homer all season.
I was hoping he would be an internal upgrade. Now, he’ll be closing for the O’s for the next 6 seasons.
as a yankees fan, i think carroll is the best of the three pieces given up
I really liked Tate but I can see the Carroll love.
I don’t know what the Astros were offering, but I don’t like Tate as a prospect very much. A “stuff-over-results” guy who has injury problems and weird velocity fluctuations and who doesn’t put up results and is already 24 in AA is not exactly the sort of guy I would be targeting. If that’s a 45, it’s one I don’t like. The guy has red flags all over the place.
On the other hand, I suspect the only prospects being offered by any team were those to help alleviate a Rule 5 crunch. All three of the prospects going back to the Orioles (I think) are Rule 5 eligible this winter. I’m starting to get the sense that this is the new thing–I trade you Rule 5 guys on the bubble because I’ll lose some of them otherwise, and you trade me an expiring contract because you’ll lose them.
Yeah I didn’t see your comment before posting mine below – but I think this is exactly right re rule 5.
I think that it would be worth drawing up a list of prospects who are Rule 5 eligible this winter (or already on the 40 man roster), perhaps FV45 and up? I first noticed this when the Brewers traded Ryan Cordell for Swarzak, and I thought…that’s a really nice return for a mid-level rental reliever.
But there are teams with so much depth in their systems–the Yankees, Astros, Dodgers, and to a lesser extent Brewers and Phillies–that they’re going to be facing some Rule 5 crunches soon. Unsurprisingly, all five of those teams seem to be in on every deadline deal.
Tate is a control over command type. He has good stuff and when he is on he is good, but he throws too many hittable pitches. His pitches are good, but not good when elevated or middle middle.
Seems like a fair deal. I wonder how much of this was prompted by Boston’s apparent interest in Britton? but regardless, I don’t think you can have too many good, rested relievers come the post season, especially with the yankees starters. The fact that at all 3 guys are Rule 5 eligible is pretty important as well – I’d be curious to know how much that might depress trade value.
Tate had a 45FV preseason, is now striking out 2 more per nine and walking .5 fewer per nine, and his FV has gone down?