Let’s Sell the Orioles!

(Photo: Keith Allison)
During the All-Star break, Manny Machado was traded to the Dodgers for a solid package of prospects led by Yusniel Diaz. Last night, longtime closer Zach Britton was shipped off to the Yankees for Dillon Tate and some other interesting names. Both moves were obviously made with a view to the Orioles’ future.
Both moves were also inevitable, though — and, in a way, easy. It doesn’t take a fancypants scientist to figure out that trading terrific players who’re headed to free agency is a smart thing to do; us regular-pantsed folks can see that for ourselves. Now, though, there are harder decisions to make, other players to give away, if the Orioles are going to embrace a full rebuild. Complicating this is an organization that has shown a tendency to balk at hard decisions and put off future plans, preferring instead to tread water with the least aggressive quarter-measures available. In this case, however, action is required.
Unfortunately, we can’t just waltz into the B&O Warehouse and start trading away Orioles. Seriously, I double-checked what my credentials will permit. No, we may have to seize the team by force. Let’s presume that our dark FanGraphs forces can seize the corporate offices successfully — we do have a particular expertise involving WAR — and gain control of the franchise. It wouldn’t be the first war lost by the Angelos family, and Sheryl Ring can draft some paperwork to make this nice and legal. We have to be quick, though, before we all end up in jail. So let’s start the sale.
Kevin Gausman to the Pittsburgh Pirates
It seems a little too easy to sell Kevin Gausman to the Chicago Cubs and, really, at this point, I’m tired of Orioles pitchers going to Chicago and experiencing a renaissance. Jake Arrieta is the most noted example, but the Cubs squeezed significant value out of Jason Hammel, Pedro Strop, and even Tsuyoshi Wada. The Pirates aren’t rightly interested in rentals: they’ll require somebody who’s useful beyond the 2018 season because, even with their 11-game winning streak, they’re still more likely than not to miss the postseason.
Pittsburgh has their own excellent pitching coach in Ray Searage, and the team has an excellent track record with reclamation projects. Gausman’s far from a bad pitcher, of course, but he’s a maddeningly inconsistent one. A rich man’s Nate Eovaldi, Gausman feels like a pitcher whose talents ought to be producing better results. He’s not averaging 99 mph in starts anymore, but part of his drop-off in velocity is quite possibly a the product of an attempt to focus on location. He still his nasty splitter-change thing (splange? chlitter?) and slider that is hit harder than it feels like it ought to be. I still think there’s the toolbox of a borderline ace here.
In the case of developing Gausman, the O’s have been like a mediocre Rumpelstiltskin, spinning gold into less gold. With Gausman’s two full controlled years, though, Pittsburgh would have ample time to collect possible rewards for the risk they take. I’m not sure we can get Ke’Bryan Hayes in the trade, but I’d like to try — and I’d love to snag one of the extra shortstops the Pirates have at higher levels.
Adam Jones to the Colorado Rockies
The Colorado Rockies have an erroneous belief that Gerardo Parra’s .300 average also means that Gerardo Parra is having a good season. This is not the case, of course, but if you’re going to upgrade the Rockies, you have to give them someone with a big enough name to take away Parra’s at-bats consistently. Adam Jones can likely still hit near .300 with the benefit of Coors Field, and the park would hide the fact that his power has also started to fade considerably. Jones probably still has enough range to be effective in a corner, and in the event the Rockies decide to play him at center, I’m not sure he’s even a downgrade over Charlie Blackmon given how poor a season the latter has had defensively. AJ also gives the Rockies a right-handed bat on an outfield depth chart occupied exclusively by lefties except for Noel Cuevas.
We can’t snag Ryan McMahon or someone like that, but perhaps Tyler Nevin might not to be too greedy? Perhaps it is. That said, even getting someone like Chad Spanberger would be a win for the O’s.
Dylan Bundy to the San Diego Padres
No, we’re not getting Fernando Tatis Jr. or Luis Urias or MacKenzie Gore. Not a chance. I want to nip this in the bud before someone gets the idea of fighting in a two-front war.
The Padres believe that their timeline is accelerated, else why bring in Eric Hosmer? They’re actively looking for starting pitching and bringing in someone like Noah Syndergaard would probably necessitate a huge overpay, as the Mets seem to require a huge offer for Thor even to past the stage of amiable skylarkings.
Josh Naylor has no obvious path to the majors in San Diego and infielders like Esteury Ruiz or Hudson Potts may be lost in the shuffle. Petco isn’t the pitchers’ park it used to be, but it’s a safer home for the flyball-prone Dylan Bundy than Camden Yards.
Mychal Givens to the Arizona Diamondbacks
Paul Fry to the St. Louis Cardinals
Both ZiPS and the FanGraphs Depth Charts agree that the Diamondbacks and Cardinals have the weakest rest-of-season projected bullpens among this year’s realistic contenders. (Apologies to the Angels, who face a daunting mathematical challenge.) In this case, the team without Andrew Chafin, who’s pitched well for Arizona, has a greater need for a left-hander.
St. Louis’s southpaws in the bullpen have combined for a 6.00 ERA, conceding a .300/.406/.489 to opponents. While the team’s righties haven’t been that much better (5.11 ERA, .265/.342/.414 against), ZiPS and Steamer both like the latter group more than the former. Paul Fry is a non-splashy move for a team that likes to take care and someone who can help their bullpen depth down the road as well. hile it may seem weird for the O’s to be trading a player with little service time, middle-of-the-pen guys with OK-ish stuff aren’t exactly building blocks, and there may be space for an incremental prospect upgrade here. For Arizona, they have more pressing needs offensively and with a weak farm system, they can hardly be spending the crown jewels on relievers. Mychal Givens is a fine upgrade, though.
Jonathan Schoop to the Milwaukee Brewers
Jonathan Schoop has had a wreck of a season. Neither ZiPS nor Steamer are the least bit worried, however, both projecting Schoop for something better than a two-win seasonal pace for the rest of the year. ZiPS in particular isn’t buying Schoop’s low .258 BABIP, the preseason projected wRC+ of 104 only dropping to the current rest-of-season projection of 102, despite the 81 wRC+ he’s recorded to date. Schoop’s power, one of his most obvious positive attributes, still plays just fine in Miller, and if the Orioles were going to get a reasonable long-term extension on Schoop, they would’ve done it by now.
With Schoop only a year away from free agency, the O’s would do better to trade him now than waiting until next year’s deadline. The middle infield has been a weak spot for the Brew Crew and they’ve already been linked to Schoop anyway, so it’s not a far-fetched scenario.
Chris Davis to the Bench
I really tried to find a new home for Chris Davis. There just aren’t any. Earlier this season, when I did my yearly Worst Contracts update for ESPN, I described Chris Davis’s deal as a nearly unmitigated disaster, with ZiPS projecting it to be the third-worst in baseball behind just Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera’s. This was before Davis hit like a pitcher for half a year, a development that has al -but eliminated that “nearly” qualifier from the previous sentence. Convincing a club to assume Davis’s contract is basically impossible. Even throwing in Dylan Bundy and Kevin Gausman for free leaves us well short of equivalent value. Covering 90% of the deal still doesn’t net any prospects.
Giving Davis a week off didn’t fix any fundamental problems. Sticking him in the lineup every night isn’t fixing anything either. He already has the 32nd-worst WAR for a position player in baseball history after only 83 games, and while there’s some kind of perverse curiosity to seeing if he can put up the worst season ever for a hitter, it’s almost cruel to keep playing him at this point. Shutting him down for the year on the bench and making him a coaching challenge may not be effective, but the Orioles have Chris Davis for a long time — and are paying him for even longer than that — and it’s hard to imagine worse results than the current approach.
Boog’s BBQ to Great American Ballpark
If I’m going to break myriad state and federal laws just to make some trades, I want to get something out of this for myself. Once you cross the Ohio River going west, pit beef availability becomes non-existent, and I’m sure that it transplants better out here to Ohio than steamed crabs would.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
You forgot the most important thing. Deal Angelos to the scrap heap.
Time and inevitability are handling that one. It seems like his sons are taking the reigns and maybe (just maybe, possibly really not) they have ore of a clue.
Ahhh, but the track record of rich brats inheriting substantial roles with teams is so fraught – see e.g. James Dolan, Mark Davis, Jim Irsay, Jed York, Jim Buss. Best case, you get something like the Steinbrenner kids who have stayed the eff out of Cashman’s way after getting burned by their own hubris when they got involved with the A-Rod extension or Jeanie Buss realizing that her own dipstick brother was not a good choice to make sports decisions and going and hiring an actually qualified person (or at least someone more qualified than her brother). So, hope they learn on the job and don’t have require too many screw-ups to get there.
Sports owners make a wonderful case for anti-nepotism policies and the estate tax just by existing.
The best case for a sports owner inheriting a team is actually someone like Rocky Wirtz with the Chicago Blackhawks. He is universally regarded as a much better owner than his father Bill, who was notoriously tight-fisted and also had the bizarre, anachronistic, and counterproductive idea of not letting home games be shown on TV. Rocky Wirtz started reversing the latter policy about a month after his father’s death.
I also don’t think that James Dolan is a name that fits very well on that list in the context of this discussion. Jim Dolan is an heir, but he was already a senior executive at Cablevision when Cablevision bought MSG including stakes in the Knicks and Rangers.
As a group, I’m not sure that sports team heirs as a group are any worse / more meddlesome as owners. You’ve simply cherry-picked the negative examples while ignoring positive ones. And Jim Irsay is a pretty dubious example from a fan perspective since he took over ownership of the Colts in the late ’90’s and the 2000’s were probably the most successful decade in the history of the team across both Baltimore and Indianapolis. Obviously that success comes back to Peyton Manning and some other players (Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, etc.), but Irsay let generally good football people in the organization do their jobs without Irsay coming in and screwing anything up.
The point was just to say don’t be so sure the kids will be better than the dad – I’m not trying to do a scientific study here on whether inherited owners are worse, as a percentage of their population, than non-inherited owners. There are certainly crappy non-inherited owners (or ex-owners. Looking at you, Jeffrey Loria!) You can’t defend Dolan and Irsay, though. You think Dolan was a Sr. Executive at Cablevision by merit? And Irsay falling ass backwards into Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck isn’t exactly a point in his favor. I guess I’ll give Irsay a point for not listening to Hunter S. Thompson about drafting Ryan Leaf? I probably would have followed Hunter’s advice. Negative a billion points to Dolan for JD and the Straight Shot.
Surely I cannot be the only one who recalls that it was one of his sons who made most of their most disastrous decisions of the late 90s or early oughts, right? I’ll give the details I can recall, but there has to be an actual Orioles fan who can pop into this and do better than I.
One of the sons was an avid fantasy player who was convinced he knew more than any major league front office. He got in Dad’s ear, and Angelos fired the GM, tried to make himself the GM (Selig vetoed the idea), then hired a GM who would just hold the job in name only while that one son made all the real decisions (was that Wren? I can’t even recall who the puppet was). And his moves were terrible. Just terrible.
I think that Syd Thrift was the puppet. Presided over the great sell-off of 2000, which included Mike Bordick for Melvin Mora ( and other players on both sides) but otherwise netted basically nobody. I think it was when Wren was fired (ostensibly for telling the team charter to take off without Ripken, who was late to the airport) that one of the Angelos sons was named an exec VP of some sort, and Thrift was promoted, mainly because Angelos liked traveling with him, or some such nonsense.
They’ll have to refine that ore before they have enough of a clue to be trusted with a MLB franchise.
10 minutes before this was posted, i was BSing with a friend about who the Pirates should go after. “Kevin Gausman might be kind of fun” was said. Glad you agree!
How dare you sell Boog’s for nothing!
Wonderfully entertaining, Dan. But you’ve seized control of the Orioles and all you can do is send Chris Davis to the bench? You’re in Baltimore, Dan. Call Brother Mouzone- I’m sure he could help.
Isn’t Mouzone in NYC?
he’ll come to Balt for the right price.
Can we trade Camden’s ushers to Yankee Stadium?
i was hoping that cashman could pull off a britton and gausman trade to the yankees
So, assuming they can pull off all of these trades, what is the new projected final record?
Right now on pace for 46-116 & while projection systems have some positive regression built in, I’d imagine that dumping pretty much every feasible MLB player would put a huge dent in that.
I am not totally sure why everyone thinks Kevin Gausman and Dylan Bundy are so great. The Orioles should probably sell everyone with less than 3 years of team control at this point, and I bet that Gausman and Bundy would fetch a nice return based on their prospect pedigree and team control, but neither of them are exactly lighting the world on fire these days, nor do they have a long track record of success.
I think you are underselling the malaise that affects all things of an Orioles vintage. No one should expect Gausman or Bundy to turn into Arrieta, but if they immediately play up on moving to an organization with some actual competence I will be surprised not one bit.
I don’t know. Is there stuff about them that people think are fixable? It’s not like they have a ton of velocity to work with, and Bundy in particular has had so many injuries. They’re not exactly innings-eaters. It’s not like there’s a long list of Baltimore starters (aside from Arrieta) who have gone on to more success after leaving. And their relievers are pretty good, so it’s not like they can’t develop pitchers, it’s that they can’t develop starters.
The Orioles have a ton of problems with their player acquisition and development but I think sometimes we hold onto prospect pedigree a little bit too long.
They’ve not been particularly special, but they’ve got a lot of prospect pedigree and I imagine most opposing GMs realize that the Orioles are terrible at developing pitching prospects. Playing their home games at Camden Yards does them no favors either.
Look, you can trade the entire team for all I care, but you’re NOT touching Boog’s BBQ! O’s fans need something to bury their faces into as the O’s re-enter the dark ages…
Which deal will go down as the worst in history? The Ryan Howard deal or the Chris Davis one? Howard signed for 5 years at $138 million and in those 5 seasons, only once posted a WAR above zero. He was worth -1.6 WAR over 5 seasons. Davis signed his before the 2016 season and while he has… produced? unproduced? -2.5 WAR so far in ’18, he was worth 2.8 in ’16 and .1 in ’17. So he hasn’t quite hit negative value yet.
The suspense is killer!
Its at -2.4. Davis’ contract started after ’16
The contract was signed in January of 2016.
BTW, it’s a Bonilla-type contract. The Orioles will be paying him until 2037.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/01/orioles-to-re-sign-chris-davis.html
looking at that article- think teams would want to have that FA class over again? 3 brutal contracts in Heyward, Price, and Davis- and even Greinke hasn’t been all that.
As a Phillies fan, I don’t have any animosity towards the Howard contract in hindsight– I still feel like it would’ve gone slightly better if his torn achilles hadn’t dramatically accelerated his physical decline. After being blocked by Thome for years and bringing Philly a championship, I’m not mad at the Phillies for making him whole or Howard for accepting it. It was awful, yeah, but it wasn’t the reason the franchise went into a tailspin they’re only now coming out of.
For sure, it could have been worse. You could have let your best player walk and then go on to have a losing record in 20 straight seasons.
Alternative Title: “Let’s Get the Orioles to 125 Losses”
So we are improving the Orioles? 🙂
I know this is Fangraphs, so it’s important to look at EVERYTHING, but it feels contradictory to say that Schoop is having a wreck of a season, but they should trade him now. Isn’t that the definition of selling low?
I’m also not a fan of benching Chris Davis. I don’t know if anyone or anything can fix him at this point, but if you’re not going to outright release him, you might as well keep throwing him out there in a lost year and hope something clicks. He’ll be 33 next year. Is benching him just to put him out of his misery really going to help? Is there any farther for him to fall off that pedestal? I don’t know. I could be totally wrong, and I’m not close to the situation at all. I just think if you’re at the point where you’re not even going to let him try anymore (and maybe they are), then you’ve waved the flag on that money and should move on entirely.
I think Schoop had been heating up the last month or so, and has been on a tear since the all star break. So teams are probably intrigued by that, even if his batting line is still awful.
Re Chris Davis I completely agree. I just dont see any reason to bench him – right now, he’s helping you lose (plus column), and he needs to get his stuff together to be worth anything. The only reason to bench him is if you think he needs time to get his head straight and you put him back out there as soon as you can.
I’m generally curious how other teams evaluate Gausman and Bundy. Both are #3-#4 level starters (based on performance).
However, both do appear to have discernible upside. Just in the last years, Fangraphs writers have written two articles about how Dylan Bundy, at the very least, has the capability to perform as an ace:
Last August: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dylan-bundy-is-looking-the-part/
This April: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/is-dylan-bundy-an-ace-on-extra-rest/
Kevin Gausman has also received his fair share of ‘breakout pitcher’ predictions. Ultimately, he peaked in 2016 with a #2 level performance and since then has only flashed that upside.
As an Orioles fan, I would like to see both of them moved in the hope to get assets with higher upside. I’m also interested in seeing both pitcher’s still substantial upside realized. It’s been a rollercoaster ride with both pitchers
orioles got a good return so far, because the 2 players were arguably the best on the trade block. Now these other players you mentioned above will fall behind ja happ, fulmer, castellanos, liriano etc in the pecking order.
One other thing: I do think that a team with a stacked rotation (Hou, Cle, Bos, etc) and a pending SP free agent could acquire Gausman with the intention to use him as a multi-inning power reliever (he can air it out 97-99 t 100 in shorter stints) and then use him to replace whatever pitcher the team has leaving in free agency.
Houston is a great example in this case. Gausman could serve the dual purpose of really bolstering the playoff bullpen (as he did in 2014 for the Orioles vs KC & DT) and also replacing a starter for 2019 (Morton and/or Keuchel ).
I see some parallels between Gausman and Cole though admittedly, Cole has a better tract record of ace-level performance.
I actually think the Rockies might bite of McMahon for Jones – he is a bit like Mejia in the sense of guys who seem less valued by their own org than they would be by the another team.
As an Orioles fan, that would be awesome.
But geeeez are the Rockies really that poorly run?
If I were TRYING to screw up a player’s development, I would use what they’ve done with McMahon as a starting point and go from there. Bounce him all around the infield, up and down from the minors, sitting on the bench w/ the major league team for long stretches…
This is totally speculative, but I think the Indians were of the mindset that they had a guy in Mejia who was overvalued by the league because the league still thought he could play catcher, and for whatever reason the Indians didn’t, and his defense + bat wasn’t going to add up at another position. McMahon isn’t the prospect Mejia is, and similarly it sure seems like the Rockies don’t know where he should play defensively or what they really have in his bat.
They didn’t pursue Yelich when they had the pieces to get him and the obvious need for him. They didn’t sign Cain under the same circumstances.
They took McMahon and made him an occasional fill-in (with inconsistent PA’s) after he has been a solid, everyday performer in the minors.
At this point, I am pretty sure just about anything is possible with this FO.
so, how many outfielders do the Rockies need?
All of them.
The Rockies could just ditch Parra for Raimel Tapia (improving themselves both offensively and defensively at the same time), but that would make WAY too much sense so it is highly unlikely.
There just has to be a deal with the Padres there, waiting to happen. They are clearly in the market for starters, and they have a pile of 1B/OF prospects with nowhere to play them (Myers, Margot, Hosmer are locked in to 3 of 4 spots).
Gausman for Kramer or Newman and Nova or Williams. I do not see O’s games to know if this trade makes sense for either team.
Still amazed at how bad Chris Davis has become. Could end up worse than Adam Dunn’s legendary 2011 season. Will the O’s let him get to 502 PA?
I mean, they’re paying him either way, their season is doomed, and they don’t have someone behind him just begging for playing time.
So we’ll be seeing plenty of Chris Davis I think.
What about Brad Brach? He hasn’t had a great year but he’s got a decent track record. He’ll be a free agent at the end of the season so he’s of no value to the O’s. I would think there might be a little interest in him.
I was all excited because I thought you meant we would be fantasizing about the Angelos family selling the team. It sure would be nice if that happened, because I don’t see the current dynamics shifting for my hometown team until there is new ownership.
I bet you could trade Buck Showalter for some value.
Maybe for a 44-year-old Randy Winn in fact.
I think by the end of this sell off they can rebuild this system into a Top 10-15 system maybe even higher. Every prospect they obtained has the substance but maybe not the hype. Kudos to their front office for being thorough and getting great value in every trade. Think their scouts and analytics (heard their growing it) are getting it right. Could be an alternate model for quick rebuilds in the near future.
They’re going to need a few picks at the top of the draft to rebuild the system to that level. (Un)fortunately, it looks like they’re going to get there.
As long as a case of King Vitaman is in the offer everybody is available.
Gausman never averaged above 95.9 even as a swingman in 2013.
He didn’t average 99 for a season, of course, but there were quite a few starts that he did average 99 MPH. His last one was against the Mets in 2015, when he averaged 99.65 MPH.
How good would Chris Davis have to be (and for how long) before you could even think about trading that contract? Like, if he started putting up a 150 wRC again tomorrow, he’d have to maintain it at least to the 2019 all-star break before teams were convinced this year was just a freak thing, right?
Do you think davis could bounce back next year? Dunn kinda did, never great again but at least a 110-115 wrc+ his last years.
But then again it is 40% Ks, even if he bounces back to 12% walks and 30 homers he still is a one win player at best with his astronomic Ks. Davis at this point needs 30 bombs to be even above replacement level, if he doesn’t get there again he is out of baseball.
He will get one more chance next year due to his contract but if he is bad again at the break he will be released.
Brach? Trumbo? Mancini? They seem like obvious trade candidates, too.