Seven Hopefully Not-Terrible Spring Trade Ideas

We’re just a week away from actual major league baseball games and two weeks from Opening Day, and the free agent market is about spent. Dallas Keuchel and Craig Kimbrel remain free agents for now, the only two available players projected for two or more WAR on our depth charts. Even lowering the bar to a single win only adds two additional names in Carlos Gonzalez and Gio Gonzalez.

Unless your team is willing to sign Keuchel or Kimbrel, any improvements will have to be made via a trade. And since pretty much every team could use an improvement somewhere, it’s the best time of the year for a bit of fantasy matchmaking until we get to post-All Star Week.

Note that these are not trades I predict will happen, only trades I’d like to see happen for one reason or another. Until I’m appointed Emperor-King of Baseball, I have no power to make these trades happen.

1. Corey Kluber to the San Diego Padres for Wil Myers, Josh Naylor, Luis Patino, and $35 million.

One of the reasons the Kluber trade rumors so persistently involved the Padres this winter is because it made so much sense. The idea was that Cleveland had a deep starting rotation and an offense that looked increasingly like that of the Colorado Rockies, with a couple of MVP candidates and abundant quantities of meh elsewhere.

On the Padres side, the team’s lineup looked nearly playoff-viable in a number of configurations with the exception of a hole at third base. The team was awash in pitching prospects but had a drought of 2019 rotation-ready candidates.

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These facts have largely stayed unchanged with the obvious exception of San Diego’s hole at third base. The Padres aren’t far away from contending, and while signing Keuchel is cleaner, revisiting Kluber is a bigger gain.

At four years and $28 million guaranteed after the trade’s cash subsidy, Myers actually has some value to the Indians, who have resorted to fairly extreme measures like seriously considering Hanley Ramirez for a starting job. Most contenders aren’t upgraded by a league-average outfielder/DH, but the Indians would be. Cleveland can’t let Kluber get away without taking a top 50ish prospect, and Naylor is a lot more interesting on a team like the Indians, which has a lot of holes on the easy side of the defensive spectrum, than he is on one that wants to be in the Eric Hosmer business for a decade.

Unfortunately, in the end, I expect that Cleveland wasn’t as serious about trading Kluber as they were made out to be and would likely be far more interested in someone who could contribute now, like Chris Paddack. And Paddack makes the trade make a lot less sense for the Padres, given that they have enough holes in the rotation that they ought to want Kluber and Paddack starting right now.

2. Nicholas Castellanos to the Cleveland Indians for Yu Chang, Luis Oviedo, and Bobby Bradley.

The relationship between Castellanos and the Tigers seems to oscillate between the former wanting a trade and both sides wanting to hammer out a contract extension.

Truth is, trading Castellanos always made more sense as the Tigers really aren’t that close to being a competitive team yet, even in the drab AL Central. Castellanos is not a J.D. Martinez-type hitter, and I feel Detroit would be making a mistake if lingering disappointment from a weak return for Martinez were to result in them not getting value for Castellanos.

While one could envision a future Indian infield where Jose Ramirez ends up back at second, and Chang is at third (or second), I think the need for a hitter, even if the first trade proposed here were to happen, is too great. Oviedo is years away and Cleveland’s window of contention can’t wait to see if Bradley turns things around.

3. Dylan Bundy to the New York Mets for Will Toffey and Walker Lockett.

I suspect that if the Mets were willing to sign Dallas Keuchel, he’d already be in Queens. In an offseason during which the Mets lit up the neon WIN NOW sign, they’ve confusingly kept the fifth starter seat open for Jason Vargas for no particular reason.

Rather than wait for Vargas to rediscover the blood magicks that allowed him to put on a Greg Maddux glamour for a few months a couple of years ago, I’d much rather the Mets use their fifth starter role in a more interesting way. Bundy has largely disappointed, but there’s likely at least some upside left that the Orioles have shown little ability to figure out yet.

Toffey would struggle to get at-bats in New York unless the team’s plethora of third-base-capable players came down with bubonic plague, and given that the team isn’t interested in letting Lockett seriously challenge Vargas’ role, better to let him discover how to get lefties out on a team that’s going to lose 100 games.

4. Mychal Givens to the Boston Red Sox for Bryan Mata.

Boston’s bullpen was a solid group in 2018, finishing fifth in FIP and ninth in bullpen WAR. But it’s a group that is now missing Kimbrel and Joe Kelly, two relievers who combined for 2.2 of the team’s 4.9 WAR. The Red Sox haven’t replaced that lost production, and while they talk about how they really think that Ryan Brasier is great, they already had him last year. Now he’ll throw more innings in 2019, but that will largely be balanced by him not actually being a 1.60 ERA pitcher.

The Red Sox have dropped to 22nd in the depth chart rankings for bullpens, and although ZiPS is more optimistic than the ZiPS/Steamer mix, it’s only by enough to get Boston to 18th.

The Orioles are one of the few teams who might possibly be willing to part with bullpen depth at this point in the season and Givens, three years from free agency, gives the Red Sox the extra arm they need. Mata is a fascinating player, but he’s erratic and Boston needs to have a little more urgency in their approach. The O’s have more time to sort through fascinatingly erratic pitchers like Mata and Tanner Scott.

5. Madison Bumgarner to the Milwaukee Brewers for Corey Ray and Mauricio Dubon.

You know that point at a party when the momentum has kinda ended and people have slowly begun filtering to their cars or Ubers, but there’s one heavily inebriated dude who has decided he’s the King of New Years, something he proclaims in cringe-worthy fashion to the dwindling number of attendees?

That’s the Giants.

The party is over in San Francisco, with the roster not improved in any meaningful way from the ones that won 64 and 73 games in each of the last two seasons. The Giants are probably less likely to win 90 games than George R. R. Martin is to finish The Winds of Winter before the end of the final season of Game of Thrones.

You can’t trade Bumgarner expecting the return you would for 2016-level Bumgarner, but you can get value from a team that could use a boost in a very competitive National League.

6. Mike Leake to the Cincinnati Reds for Robert Stephenson.

An innings-eater doesn’t have great value for the Mariners, who are unlikely to be very October-relevant. The Reds seem like they’ll happily volunteer to pick up the money to keep from trading a better prospect; they can’t put all their eggs into the 2019 basket.

With Alex Wood having back issues, a Leake reunion feels like a good match to me, and with Stephenson out of options, he’d get more time to hit his upside in Seattle than he would with a Reds team that really wants to compete this year.

7. Melvin Adon to the Washington Nationals for Yasel Antuna.

Washington keeps trading away highly interesting-yet-erratic relievers midseason in a scramble to find relief pitching. Why not acquire one of those guys for a change and see what happens? Stop being the team that ships out Felipe Vazquezes or Blake Treinens and be the team that finds and keeps them instead.

The Giants have a bit of a bullpen logjam and realistically, a reliever who can’t help them right now isn’t worth a great deal; relief is a high-leverage role and by the time Adon is ready, the Giants will likely be a poor enough team that it won’t matter. They may already be! Antuna gives them a lottery pick for a player who could help the team someday in a more meaningful way.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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David Klein
7 years ago

I’d love to see Vargas replaced in the rotation but he’s making eight million dollars and the Wilpons don’t believe in sunk costs and don’t wanna add to payroll to sign Gio or Keuchel, so Vargas has got a guaranteed rotation spot. I’d love to take a chance on Bundy but the proposed trade seems light to me as I think he gets you more than Toffee and Lockett.

isasson
7 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Let’s not ignore the fact that Vargas is having an amazing spring training…i know SSS, but he’s been looking okay for a 5th starter. Willing to give him a shot to start the season.

Travis LMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  isasson

I disagree, we 100% should ignore spring training performance.

stakhanovitamix
7 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Setting aside ST, is Vargas’ performance in the second half of last year a significant enough sample size to generate some lukewarm optimism– projections-wise– or should we still expect Vargas to be a fetid turd?

lostatlimboMember since 2017
7 years ago
Reply to  Travis L

100%.? No one is forecasting from ST, but to say you can’t infer anything from ST is ignorant. Is a pitcher throwing harder or from a different angle? Is a batter being more selective with his pitches or hitting the ball harder?

Actually, nevermind, you keep ignoring ST performance and let the rest of us use our full toolbox.

FrancoLuvHateMets
7 years ago
Reply to  lostatlimbo

What they mean is you should ignore the statlines from Spring Training as there is no correlation. If Vargas was throwing 3 MPH harder than sure, that’s a real tangible thing to be excited about.

mr.met89Member since 2024
7 years ago
Reply to  lostatlimbo

I agree that spring performance means SOMETHING. Not stat lines necessarily, but you can see how a pitcher is executing his pitches by watching the games. Vargas has looked good, and much more importantly; he pitched great to close out 2018.

David Klein
7 years ago
Reply to  mr.met89

Even when he pitched “great” to finish the year he wasn’t much more than a five inning pitcher.

keefer
7 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Which is precisely why the Orioles would be fools to trade Bundy now.

HelenaEngineer
7 years ago
Reply to  keefer

Exactly – why not let him try and regain some value while in the rotation before you look to deal him. You don’t trade someone when his value is at a low point unless there is no reasonable expectation it will improve. If he pitches like he did the first half of last year, you could move him in season and get a better return than this.

Dooduh
7 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

I like the Bundy idea but would have to believe that any effort made to acquire an arm (including this one) would include Dom Smith as part of the return. He’s looks to have resurrected his value somewhat this Spring and keeping him in Queens just complicates the 1B situation when clearing the deck for Pete Alonso is what they need to do.

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

Not the biggest fan of Smith, but if the Mets are going to buy low on Bundy they shouldn’t have a problem selling low on Smith, who might turn the corner over time on a rebuilding club.

rhswanzey
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

If the O’s need one thing, it’s another 1B/DH to play out of position

therealryan1Member since 2017
7 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

The O’s also just need guys deserving of major league at bats.

Kibber
7 years ago

trade idea 7 has two players I have never heard of

ShauncoreMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  Kibber

That’s the Dipoto special

emh1969
7 years ago

As an Indians fan, I hate the first two trades.

Myers is generally a 2-3 win player, Naylor is at best a borderline top 100 prospect (BA has him #99 but doesn’t seem to be ranked elsewhere). Patino is a teenager and way too far away to project. That doesn’t seem to be nearly enough for a #1 pitcher.

The Castellanos trade? I’ve never been very high on Chang or Bradley but three prospects for 2-3 win player with one year of control left seems like a huge overpay.

If I were the Indians GM, I’d easily pass on both of those offers.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

I think you’re being too kind to Myers. Somehow, those two deals would leave Cleveland as a worse team paying more money.

A Padres trade would be something like what Dan proposed, if you threw in Urias.

pezzicle
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Myers at 4/28M is actually pretty valuable probably, but the prospects that have been added in aren’t enough. Patino is highly regarded but is young, and Naylor barely moves a trade needle imo, especially since he is clearly trade bait as he has no real path to the majors at this point. A Myers, Urias and Patino trade would be much more likely imo, and you could even add Naylor in to that as well.

The Castellanos trade is much worse. You could probably get Nic for Chang straight up, dunno why Oveido would need to be added in, with a good year he will break top 100 lists at midseason, he looks an awful lot like Patino does tbh, stat wise

emh1969
7 years ago
Reply to  pezzicle

Oveido already cracked the Baseball Prospectus top 100, coming in at #93 this year.

pezzicle
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Well there ya go.

Travis LMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  pezzicle

“especially since he is clearly trade bait as he has no real path to the majors at this point”

This isn’t really relevant, because presumably with the Indians he would have a clear path. The fact he brings more value to an AL team than an NL one is a reason why the trade should be made, in fact.

mattMember since 2023
7 years ago
Reply to  pezzicle

Oviedo has had 2 starts in full season ball and is 5 months older than patino

Tondo
7 years ago
Reply to  pezzicle

Yeah, the Castellanos deal is way too pricey, even if you bake in the high probability of comp pick via QO after the season.
Throwing in Bradley is selling low. Chang is a good start, as I believe he’s a bit overhyped as a power over hit MIF (Schoop).
If the Tigers would ask for a pitcher, maybe Vargas or Hentges, but not Oviedo. Any of those two plus Chang is probably still an overpay.

I like Patino as center piece for Kluber, but would prefer Margot to Myers and another good prospect like Ornelas or Morejon. So, Patino, Morejon, Margot, Naylor. Could also see a ML bullpen piece instead of Margot.

MarkAselstine
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

You’re wildly underrating Patino.

You’re not wrong here though, at least in terms of there not really being a fit. For all the talk of a match between Cleveland and SD, the real issue is that SD’s secondary pieces (ie, Hedges, Renfroe, Myers, Naylor etc) match up fine. But, SD doesn’t seem willing to move one of their better, MLB ready pitching prospects as a headliner for Kluber and that’s justifiably got to be the ask from Cleveland.

So there isn’t really a deal to be had.

emh1969
7 years ago
Reply to  MarkAselstine

“You’re wildly underrating Patino.”

I’m just going off of Fangraphs, who rated him a 40FV. So if he’s underrated, blame Eric and Kiley.

Beyond that I disagree that the issue is SD not being willing to throw in a MLB ready pitching prospect. Cleveland wants/needs a MLB ready bat as the headliner of a trade. SD´s not going to give up Tatis and I doubt that the Indians want to re-acquire Mejia. So that leaves Urias as the only real possibility.

CC AFCMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Eric and Kiley rated Patino a 55.

emh1969
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Ah sorry, When I google “Fangraphs Padres Prospects”, the first result I get is the 2018 rankling. So I was looking at last year’s list when Patino was a 40FV without realizing it. For some reason, the 2019 list doesn’t show up anywhere on the first page of results for me.

That being said, I don’t think the Indians would have much interest in a teen pitching prospect. They’re in a win now mode so a player whose 4-5 years away doesn’t hold much value for them. Plus. one of the strengths of Cleveland’s farm system is teen pitching prospects.

Poppyseed BagelsMember since 2021
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

The Padres 2019 list isn’t out yet, but he was on the top prospects list.

emh1969
7 years ago

Thanks, for some reason I thought they had done the Padres already. But I guess it’s because they had so many players in the top prospects list that it seems like they did it.

Dooduh
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Kiley/Eric have Patino as a top 50 prospect (#42) right now. Dismissing him as “a teenager” isn’t doing any justice. He’s an elite SP prospect.

I like the deal in the abstract, but I agree that CLE needs another piece to make it work. Kluber is an ace controlled for 3 more years for a reasonable amount. Olivares maybe or one of the Catchers – Campusano or Torrens. The deal makes sense but needs a little more balance.

emh1969
7 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

“Dismissing him as “a teenager” isn’t doing any justice. He’s an elite SP prospect.”

The Ringer had a really good article a few weeks ago on how difficult it is to project pitching prospects and about how many of them don’t pan out (relative to position players). And of course, the younger they are, the harder thay are to project. As an Indians fan, I can tell you that Triston Mckenzie had a similar ranking at a similar age. But since then, he’s moved down the rankings even though he’s continued to pitch well. Nothing is ever guaranteed.

Beyond that, my critcism of him being a teen pitching prospcet is that he doesn’t fit the Indians window, so has less value to them than MLB ready prospects.

Dooduh
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Well, as to not fitting their window, it’s clear from the notion of Kluber’s availability that the Tribe are trying to find ways to extend their window.

Having said that, I was always skeptical of Kulber’s real availability. I was always assuming that the guy they really wanted to wheel was Bauer but were just being coy about it.

Obviously, $ is an issue in CLE and so they are/were trying to find ways to knock money off of their payroll, assuming for the intention of making an attempt to extend Lindor. Either way, they must feel that their current SP depth makes the movement of one of their rotation stalwarts possible.

MarkAselstine
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

I think what you’re missing isn’t the age necessarily, but the level compared to the age.

Patino performed in full season ball last year as an 18 year old (he’s a year younger than Mckenzie at similar stops thus far and Mckenzie may end up being the next ace in Cleveland’s rotation)

Acting like Patino somehow counts for less of a prospect, because he was 4 years younger than average for his level is silly.

I get that SD and Cleveland don’t match for Kluber, that’s been obvious for a while. But, that’s not because SD doesn’t have the best set of prospects in baseball, it’s because the two teams windows match up too closely.

Trying to artificially downgrade SD prospects because they don’t match your favorite teams time frame doesn’t add anything to the discussion. Just like it wouldn’t if Padres fans were here trying to argue that Kluber wasn’t an ace, being paid like something less than that.

emh1969
7 years ago
Reply to  MarkAselstine

“I think what you’re missing isn’t the age necessarily, but the level compared to the age.”

Nope, not missing a thing. Read the article from The Ringer “There’s (Almost) No Such Thing As a Top Pitching Prospect”.

“Patino performed in full season ball last year as an 18 year old (he’s a year younger than Mckenzie at similar stops thus far and Mckenzie may end up being the next ace in Cleveland’s rotation)”

Not true. They both debuted as 17 year olds in Rookie Ball, Patino then pitched a full sesason at A as an 18 year old. Whereas Mckenzie split his age 18 season between A- and A ball.

“Acting like Patino somehow counts for less of a prospect, because he was 4 years younger than average for his level is silly.”

Nope, what’s silly is claiming I said something that I never came close to saying.

“Trying to artificially downgrade SD prospects because they don’t match your favorite teams time frame doesn’t add anything to the discussion.”

The Indians being my favorite team is irrelevant to the point that I’m making. Which is that the Indians have less interest in a player like Patino than other teams. And hence he has less value to them. Do you honestly believe the every player should have the exact same value to every single team???

MarkAselstine
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

SMH. Gosh this is sure fun. You’re not missing a thing? Dude the entire conversation started because you couldn’t pull prospect date from the current year.

But cool.

To answer your question, sure teams are going to value skill sets and prospect types differently. If you say Cleveland values younger SP prospects less than the rest of the league cool. But, you’ve been arguing something different, that those prospects, like Patino should be less valuable overall. There’s just no data showing that to be the case, in fact with the aging curve changing, they seem more valuable, not less these days.

Lastly, you’re willing to throw in Urias to a deal, which again, shows how Cleveland centric you’re being here. If teams are allowed to have different valuations of players, by any rational measure Urias is likely to be more valuable to SD than he is elsewhere based on position fit and off field fit as well.

Again, there’s no fit here because Cleveland likely doesn’t want Mejia back (I agree there) and the corner OF’s like Renfroe clearly don’t move the needle, otherwise a deal would already be done.

MarkAselstine
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Yeah, he’s not a 40.

Eric and Kiley have him as a 55.

Not really sure where you pulled the 40 from, unless you’re pulling year old data.

emh1969
7 years ago
Reply to  MarkAselstine

As I mentioned above, yes, I accidentally pulled from the wrong year.

acemanMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

If your the GM in Clev your gonna have to take some chances in trades to get the players you want,obviously ownership doesn’t want to spend money and they should be taking advantage of this weak division and try to get home field for playoffs

fjtorres
7 years ago
Reply to  aceman

The GM is in fact taking chances. Lots of them, which is how they’ve ended up with a cast of thousands outfield.

The idea is that if you throw enough bodies out there, somebody will stick. And if nobody sticks, they can still get some production out of each before the league catches up to them. Look at 2016 and how they managed to get decent production by cobbling together platoons and hot streaks.

Who knows, they might get lucky with Bauers or Mercado.

manormachine
7 years ago

Why would the Giants trade Bumgarner now? Give him a chance to rehabilitate his value and trade him in the summer where teams should be more desperate or preparing for the postseason already. It’s pretty clear that Farhan’s plan in general is to wait and be active towards the trade deadline.

fjtorres
7 years ago
Reply to  manormachine

That would also fit the timeline for several potential buyers: Yankees, Brewers, Twins, Mets, Braves, etc, that need to see where their in-house options stand. As in: does Severino go down? Does Nelson come back? Which is the real Buxton?
Plus, SF fans get to pray for a miracle or three until the deadline…

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

Man, I don’t buy any of these as potential deals. The return for #1, #3, and #4 seem way too light; the returns for #2, #5, and #6 seem way too heavy. Wil Myers and Mike Leake have negative trade value (for Myers, a LOT of negative trade value) or else they’d already be gone; nobody’s giving up anything of value for one year of Bumgarner, at least not coming off of his #4 starter performance last year; Mychal Givens is a good reliever, and Mata is a lottery ticket; I’m not sure why anyone wants Melvin Adon; and Castellanos is a bum, and Cleveland knows it.

The only one of these that sort of makes sense is the Dylan Bundy one, but since Dylan Bundy just had a year where he was terrible, and it’s not clear the Orioles want to sell low on Bundy (nor that the Mets, who want to win now, would actually take a chance on a guy who might not be fixed).

These articles are tough because the Peanut Gallery (including me) always think they know better, but…I just don’t see it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

“Dear Mr. Appleman:

I am applying for a staff writer position at Fangraphs. I have a proprietary projection system, and will write all of the articles about how everyone’s favorite team sucks. And you can’t tell it from this cover letter, but I am also funny.

Sincerely,
Dan Szymborski”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

(To clarify this and all other posts: I think Dan is the best baseball writer alive now that Jeff is out of the game.)

FrancoLuvHateMets
7 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Any writer, talk show host is playing with fire with hypothetical trade talk! I don’t hate or love the Mets trade for one. I do hate the Kluber one though.

cavebirdMember since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think you are incorrect about #6. Leake probably has positive trade value. He also has a full no-trade clause. While it is not talked about much because Leake is as bland as they come, I have heard that the reason DiPoto hasn’t traded him already is that he cannot because Leake isn’t waiving it.

Louie FetchMember since 2016
7 years ago

I’d cry tears of joy if the Reds got anything more than a Skyline gift card for Bob Steve

CC AFCMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  Louie Fetch

Isn’t anything better than a skyline gift card? For example, a literal (not figurative) bag of baseballs, nothing, a swift punch in the nuts, and one used napkin all seem preferable to a skyline gift card

BenjaminMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Clearly, CC AFC stands for Can’t Comprehend a Fantastic Chili

CC AFCMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  Benjamin

Cincinnati Chili: a Farty Concoction*

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Is this a commentary on Skyline, or on Cincinnati Chili in general? Because while I can accept the Skyline bashing, I will defend the broad category of “Cincinnati Chili” against its detractors all day.

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

(oooh….I’m awaiting Dan’s response…..)

CC AFCMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Is there a difference? My policy position here is meat sludge does not belong atop spaghetti. For god’s sake, if you’re going to do that, at least make a nice bolognese or something. If this is a skyline thing alone, then I limit my snark to skyline.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

No, it is all “meat sludge on spaghetti” (or hotdog) to some extent. That said, I would put Cincinnati Chili (when done correctly) in a category of food more similar to a nice bolognese than chili con carne, which is where a lot of the misunderstanding comes in. Like a nice bolognese (my favorite dish to cook) it should be cooked very, very, very slowly over low heat. Personally, when I do it, I reduce the cinnamon to undetectable levels (I am very sensitive to cinnamon, for some reason…it always tastes like there is three times more cinnamon than I intend when I cook with it) and this seems to make it more attractive to my guests as well. The real secret ingredient, IMO, is the cumin.

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Cincinnati “chili” is an ok thing, I like it just fine, I just don’t think of it as chili. Just like those cheesy tomatoey deep-dish pies they make in Chicago – those can sometimes be a tasty change of pace from actual pizza.

BobbyJohn69
7 years ago

Takes a thinly-veiled shot at the offense for the Rockies, and makes no suggested trade to remedy it.

What’s up with that?

oozyalbies1
7 years ago
Reply to  BobbyJohn69

I think some are still upset / perplexed that they didn’t claim Murphy last year and let him go to the Cubs when they badly needed the reinforcements.

Forget that they signed him this offseason, have a healthy (for now) David Dahl, and two prospects of note competing for 2B who both look ready to break through.

The Rockies will be better offensively in 2019.

rhswanzey
7 years ago
Reply to  oozyalbies1

I don’t understand how the Rockies were comfortable at catcher with so many available. Is this where Swihart ends up?

David Klein
7 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

Sounds like Swihart is staying in Boston and Leon would be on the move.

BobbyJohn69
7 years ago
Reply to  oozyalbies1

I am a huge fan of Dahl’s and really want to see what he can do over 600 PA’s. If he stays healthy then I agree they should be much better offensively this season.

I think 2B is going to be a push with DJ’s departure but Murphy slotting in at 1B should help quite a bit, even though Desmond remains inexplicably on the roster.

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  BobbyJohn69

How about Joey Gallo for Ian Desmond plus enough pitching prospects to balance the trade out? 😉

(Just fantasizing about Gallo playing 81 games at Coors)

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

The guys I want to play in Coors are guys who put the ball in play a lot. I’m very disappointed they didn’t trade for Willians Astudillo. I’m actually very disappointed a lot of teams didn’t trade for Willians Astudillo.

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I wonder if the Twins could start up a bidding war between the Rays and the Jays….

Outta my way, Gyorkass
7 years ago

I’m not even terribly excited by the future potential of Corey Ray or Mauricio Dubon, but both of them for one year of Bum is a hard pass for me as a Brewers fan.

One of those guys, and SF throws some $$$ in…maybe. Otherwise, if MIL is willing to pay Bum’s salary, why not spend the extra money to get Keuchel, and keep the youngsters for future roles? It’s not like the team doesn’t have money coming off the books in future years (quite a few one year deals after this season, Braun after next) to pay for the later years of a hypothetical DK deal.

oozyalbies1
7 years ago

I get why, but I think people are selling Bumgarner short.

We haven’t seen him healthy and in rhythm for about two years. The velocity actually isn’t demonstrably down from 2016 outside of maybe 1 mph on his cutter. He did lose some break on his curve, but it just feels like he’s been playing catch up ever since the dirt bike accident.

Now don’t get me wrong, the peripherals were no bueno last year. The strikeouts were down, the walks were up, he got less swinging strikes and he got absolutely SMOKED (41.6% Hard%).

I know that narratives are largely meaningless, so call me a sucker, but I just want to see him fail for a full, healthy season before I buy that this is who he is now.

oh Hal
7 years ago

Like another poster, I’m not that hopeful for Ray. Still seems a rich price to pay for Bumgarner. You ought to provide your plan for what the Brewers would do with all their surplus pitching. Are you so wedded to your data that you think they can just shovel a few of them off for little so they can bring in Bumgarner? Reportedly the asking price was one of Burnes, Woodruff or Peralta. Do you think that’s an appropriate price? A lot of data oriented people seem to think that Stearns is misplaying the off season in multiple ways. How about you?

Slappytheclown
7 years ago
Reply to  oh Hal

Marginal OF and MI prospects like Dubon and Ray are a dime a dozen. Even if Dubon is an average starter at 2 War or so there are plenty of cheap MI alternatives to be had lately at that price – just look at DJ Lem this past offseason. Same with OF..lots of those to go around. Not that I think Bumbarner is a beast, he’s decidedly average to maybe above average right now but he fits the brewers window for winning now. And you are willing to throw that away for…Brett Phillips #2 and Orlando Arcia #2? Just two recent examples of one time higher rated prospects who to this day stil haven’t done anything. Just saying.

docgooden85Member since 2018
7 years ago

Maybe Dylan Bundy should go full Turk Wendell (99!). Be a relief pitcher and throw his slider 95% of the time. The fastball is unspeakably horrible, the changeup is bad, and the curveball is meh. He has one above average pitch and despite a nice K/9, he has a unique talent for giving up HRs (led the league last year!). I think other teams see very little value in that skill set. Hell, if I were an AL East GM I would not trade for Bundy just so we could keep hitting against him. If there was a “Worst Ball” fantasy baseball format, Bundy would be the #1 overall pick. So he’s got that going for him…which is nice.

Brett
7 years ago

There’s a mistake, you accidentally implied that it is unlikely the Mets’ plethora of third-base options are unlikely to come down with bubonic plague.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
7 years ago

The Red Sox, and all of Red Sox Nation, dream that the team could acquire Mychal Givnes for Bryan Mata, actually rather than dream I think fantasize is closer to reality.

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Heck, I’d be thrilled getting Givens for Mata plus Chavis, or something to that effect.

Dooduh
7 years ago

I had been thinking all along that Castellanos would definitely go to the Rays. Not buying that somehow the middle of their order will be fine with Avi Garcia and Yandy Diaz. After winning 90 games last year, they should have answered that with something better. They have a deeper system than just about anyone and thus can match up with just about anyone to get a piece that makes sense and Castellanos makes a lot of sense for them. At this stage, it seems like they are banking on getting a big year from one of their kids like Nathaniel Lowe or Austin Meadows.

I generally like the way the Rays go about their business but it feels like they should have been more aggressive this winter. They pushed a lot of chips in (for them) on Yandy Diaz.

keefer
7 years ago

If the Orioles only get Bryan Mata for Mychal Givens, Mike Ekias should be fired immediately.

Dag Gummit
7 years ago

Got to respect the proposed Leake trade. Oddly, it seems forever ago I heard about a Leake trade idea. All the newer trade chips (Santana, Encarnacion, etc.) were sexier, of course. Good ol’ reliable Leake should be marketable to somewhere for a B+ prospect, right? Probably what Dipoto’s (always) thinking.

SyndergaardengnomesMember since 2020
7 years ago

I’m a Mets fan, and I can’t even imagine why the Orioles would give up on Bundy for Walker Lockett and Will Toffey… If any team in baseball can give Bundy time to work out his problems, it’s the Orioles. They’re not really in a position to give up on 25 year old pitchers who have that much promise…

Kyle Sharamitaro
7 years ago

That was fun dan. Glad to see you taking on a bigger presence in the post-Jeff FG world