Sorting Out the Mets’ First Base Logjam

Who’s on first? This spring, it’s a question that both New York teams are figuring out through compelling job battles. While the Yankees attempt to decide between homegrown Greg Bird and mid-2018 trade acquisition Luke Voit — the latter of whom was the AL’s hottest hitter from August 1 onward, with a 194 wRC+ — the Mets are sorting out whether Dominic Smith or Peter Alonso will be their starter. I wrote enough about the Yankees’ pair late last season, when Voit seized the job from the struggling, oft-injured Bird, so today, it’s worth considering the Mets’ dilemma.

Of the two combatants, the 24-year-old Alonso, who currently lists at 6-foot-3, 245 pounds, is fresher in mind because he bopped 36 homers for the Mets’ Double-A Binghamton and Triple-A Las Vegas affiliates last year but didn’t receive a September call-up, a move that looked far more like a garden-variety attempt to manipulate his service time than it did a sound baseball decision. Taking a page from the playbook used by the Cubs for Kris Bryant and by the Blue Jays for Vladimir Guerrero Jr., the Mets even cited Alonso’s defense as one reason they were holding off. “His bat is his calling card and his defense is something he’s going to have to work at,” said director of player development Ian Levin last August, shortly after Alonso was named the Las Vegas 51s’ defensive player of the month for July.

To be fair, scouts did and do have concerns about Alonso’s defense, as well as his conditioning. Our own Eric Longenhagen noted concerns about his glove last April while ranking him seventh overall among the Mets’ prospects and grading his defense for both present and future at 40 on the 20-80 scouting scale; for what it’s worth, while Baseball America and MLB Pipeline don’t distinguish between present and future in their grades, both concur with the 40. BA’s Prospect Handbook 2019 calling him “an American League player in a National League organization.” But after the 2016 second-round pick out of the University of Florida slashed .285/.395/.579 between the two upper levels last year, his overall Future Value grade improved from 45 to 50 thanks to massive jumps in both his raw power (from 60/60 to a maximum 80/80) and game power (from 40/55 to 55/70) and modest advancement in his hit tool (from 40/50 to 45/50).

“Right/right college first basemen don’t typically work out (this century’s list of guys who have done nothing but play first since day one on campus and done well in MLB is Paul Goldschmidt, Rhys Hoskins, Eric Karros, and that’s it),” wrote Longenhagen for last year’s Mets list. Compare that to this year’s model from our Top 100 Prospects list, where Alonso landed at number 48: “This is what top-of-the-scale, strength-driven raw power looks like, and it drives an excellent version of a profile we’re typically quite bearish on: the heavy-bodied, right/right first baseman.” Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel referenced some of Alonso’s greatest hits including a single Arizona Fall League game where his exit velocities reached 116.3 mph on a double and 113.6 on a homer, as well as this Futures Game homer which, holy smokes:

Spring stats don’t count for doodly squat, but with four doubles and three homers so far in Grapefruit League play, as well as a .406/.457/.813 line, Alonso is turning heads. After he hit one over the Green Monster-like wall at the Red Sox’s Jet Blue Park last week, Boston manager Alex Cora called him “Probably the best hitter in Florida right now.” Catching peoples’ attention in a much different way was Monday’s unintentional leveling of the Astros’ Josh Reddick at first base:

Then there’s the lefty-swinging Smith, who was chosen as the 11th overall pick out of a Gardena, California high school in 2013, cracked BA’s Top 100 list three times (in 2014, ’16 and ’17, peaking at number 71 in the last of those years) and is currently listed at 6 feet and 239 pounds, 54 pounds more than when he placed 73rd on our Top 100 Prospects list two years ago. He actually tipped the scales at as high as 260 pounds before cutting out wet burritos, a factoid no consumer of 21st century New York baseball coverage will ever forget. Though he’s receded into the background somewhat as Alonso’s star has risen, he’s actually six months younger (he doesn’t turn 24 until June 15), and has 332 plate appearances of major league experience under his belt from 2017-18, though his .210/.259/.406 line (79 wRC+) is abysmal outside of the 14 home runs.

Smith does not have Alonso’s natural power. It took him four years of pro ball to reach a double-digit home run total in a single season (16 at Binghamton in 2016), though he did hit 25 between Las Vegas and the majors in 2017. For that year’s lists, Longenhagen graded his raw power at 55/55, and his game power at 40/55, with his hit tool and glove both at 50/60. That profile has led to comparisons to James Loney — the young version that former Mets manager Terry Collins oversaw from 2002-06 as the Dodgers’ minor league field coordinator and then director of player development, not the end-stage version that Collins managed in 2016. “I thought he’d at minimum replicate James Loney’s best years,” said Longenhagen when I asked about the post-prospect version of Smith. “Never huge home run power but 40 doubles, tons of contact, plus glove at first base.”

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Nothing has really come together for Smith at the major league level, perhaps in part because the Mets have convinced him to try to pull the ball and hit for more power. Promoted from Triple-A on August 11, 2017, he played first base regularly over the final two months of the season following Lucas Duda’s trade to Tampa Bay but hit just .198/.262/.395 with nine homers in 183 PA, striking out 26.8% of the time. Last year, after showing up late for his first Grapefruit League game and getting scratched from the lineup, he suffered a right quad strain in his spring debut, an injury that sidelined him until mid-April. He slipped behind what was left of Adrian Gonzalez on the depth chart, then bounced between Las Vegas and New York all season, serving four stints with the big club.

Between the shuttling, an experiment in left field — the results of which were brutally Duda-esque (-3.1 UZR and -5 DRS in 90 innings) — and semi-regular play in September while Alonso went home, Smith didn’t hit, either in the majors (.224/.255/.420) or at hitter-friendly Vegas (.258/.328/.380). In the bigs, he walked in just 2.7% of his plate appearances while striking out in 31.5%. When he did make contact, his average launch angle rose from 9.7 degrees to 17.2, with his groundball rate dropping from 50.4% to 34.4%, but the approach didn’t pay off. What’s more, within the small sample of playing time across both seasons, his defensive metrics at first base have been unfavorable (-2.4 UZR, -8 DRS in 74 games).

Like Alonso, Smith has hit well this spring (.433/.500/.600, for what it’s worth). As bad as he was last year in the outfield, he’s expressed a willingness to continue the experiment. But with Michael Conforto and Brandon Nimmo slated for the outfield corners (manager Mickey Callaway recently said that Conforto would exclusively play right, but we’ll see), and infielder Jeff McNeil somehow squeezed into the picture, it’s difficult to see where outfield playing time for Smith would come from even if Conforto or Nimmo does log time in center instead of Juan Lagares. The pair combined for 81 starts there last year, with dreadful defensive metrics (-6.8 UZR, -10 DRS). Mets pitchers have to shudder at the thought of such an alignment that includes Smith.

Lately, McNeil — who made 52 of his 53 big league starts last at second base — has been seeing playing time at third base because both Jed Lowrie and Todd Frazier have been slowed by injuries (a capsule sprain in the left knee for the former, an oblique strain for the latter). Even that situation has spillover into the first base picture, as Lowrie’s arrival in free agency displaced Frazier, who, after struggling (.213/.303/.390, 90 wRC+) in his first season with the Mets, was slated to get more playing time at first base, where he’s started 82 major league games (but just eight since 2014). With a crowd that includes newly acquired second baseman Robinson Cano, the Mets were supposed to have enough bodies on hand to push at least one of the two first basemen (likely Alonso) back to the minors to open the season, conveniently obscuring the service time issues that have loomed since last year.

In contrast to Guerrero’s situation in Toronto and the way Alonso was handled by the Mets last fall, Callaway and general manager Brodie Van Wagenen are saying the right things. Last December, the new GM said that his intent was for Alonso to be the Opening Day first baseman, and the continued refrain in Florida has been “We’re taking the best 25 guys up north with us,” which would be a refreshing departure from the industry-wide trend towards service time manipulation. Until Opening Day, however, it’s all talk.

At some point, the Mets will have to choose a first baseman. For what it’s worth, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections gives a clear preference for Alonso, mainly because of Smith’s struggles in recent years. The numbers don’t jump off the page, however:

Peter Alonso via ZiPS
Year AVG OBP SLG HR OPS+ WAR
2019 .239 .324 .450 24 110 2.2
2020 .239 .329 .452 23 111 2.2
2021 .238 .330 .448 23 111 2.2
2022 .236 .331 .456 24 113 2.3
2023 .235 .332 .453 23 113 2.2
2024 .236 .333 .451 22 112 2.1
Total 13.1

Lest you think that ZiPS is particularly low on Alonso, note that his Steamer projection for 2019 is nearly the same (.241/.319/.458). Last year, he tore up the Eastern League (.314/.440/.573, 180 wRC+) but relative to his league, saw a substantial drop-off at Las Vegas (.260/.355/.585, 139 wRC+). It’s worth noting that his slash numbers within that projection are held down by a low BABIP (.281 for 2019) that owes something to his 30-grade speed. It’s still a much more playable profile than the projections for Smith:

Dominic Smith via ZiPS
Year BA OBP SLG HR OPS+ WAR
2019 .244 .296 .380 14 84 0.7
2020 .245 .300 .395 15 89 1.0
2021 .243 .299 .393 15 88 1.0
2022 .241 .299 .392 15 88 0.9
2023 .242 .301 .396 10 89 0.7
2024 .240 .302 .386 9 87 0.5
Total 4.9

Woof. Again, it’s worth remembering that these are the result of heavy weighting of the player’s recent performances, which in Smith’s case have largely been struggle after struggle, though he did hit well at Vegas in 2017 (.330/.386/.519, 134 wRC+). Note that the gap between Alonso and Smith may be larger than shown above, as the former was projected for just 524 PA this year, the latter 587.

Ultimately, even with potential season-opening stints on the Injury List for Lowrie and/or Frazier, and so many other job battles among the team’s position players, it seems quite possible that the Mets will trade Smith, who has youth on his side and may be best served by a change of scenery anyway. One way or another, it should be very interesting to see how this all unfolds.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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Cave Dameron
7 years ago

Very cool Jay, thank you!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

It doesn’t sound like there’s a lot to sort out. Play Alonso, trade Smith for some other post-hype prospect. Or send him to AAA, since he’s got 2 option years left.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

My guess is the Mets will do the opposite. Play Smith for a month in order to manipulate Alonso’s service time, I mean, see what they have in Smith. If Smith is good, no worries. If he’s bad, then you call up Alonso after the month.

Capper2227Member since 2025
7 years ago

Another thing to consider for Dom Smith’s Spring Numbers – guy finally figured out his sleep apnea: https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/how-solving-sleep-apnea-issue-has-dominic-smith-raking-for-mets/304813966/

Curtis Cook
7 years ago
Reply to  Capper2227

And Smith is much lighter this year than last… and was much lighter last year than in 2017. That 260 number was from 2016 and the 239 from 2017.

mike89
7 years ago

Pete* Alonso

David Klein
7 years ago

Some beat guys suggest the Mets might carry Dom and Alonso on the roster, which seems silly to me along with carrying three catchers. Dom vs Alonso seems like the new Duda vs Ike except I think Dom has a better career than Ike (not that will take much to do so), and Alonso I think will be better than Duda, who was pretty good for a few years at first base. I suspect Alonso starts the year in Syracuse with Dom getting a few weeks to strut his stuff. Hopefully the Mets choose between the two as wisely as they did between Ike and Duda.

Kibber
7 years ago

maybe the question is is Pete Alonso the Superman or the Clark Kent of Peter Alonso?

Kevbot034
7 years ago

I think Alonso will be a fine 1B for them fairly soon. I think the terrible defense will be hidden alright at 1B for a while and he’ll hit enough to not matter.

LongTimeFan
7 years ago

Too many inaccuracies in this article utilizing faulty info, insinuation and the past rather than what’s changed – and how – and being on top of the facts. This is the problem when national websites attempt to write articles without using local updates and staying abreast of change, although Jaffe, local to the Mets, should know better

For instance, both Smith and Alonso are in the best shape of their pro careers., both slimmed down in the offseason making the listed weights of 239 and 245 of last year that rolled over on MLB.com, and other sites, inaccurate.

Alonso wasn’t called up in September because he wasn’t ready and Mets needed to preserve a 40-man roster spot in case it was needed for Rule 5. Alonso worked really hard in the offseason to get into better shape, run better, polish his offensive approach and be ready defensively to make the opening day roster. He’s shown far more polish this spring getting better all the time, and should it continue, there should be little doubt BVW will keep his word and bring the best players north – including Alonso.

The Dominic Smith in 2019 is not the one we saw in 2018 and before. He’s well under 239 pounds and has changed his stance, plate approach, mechanics and is actively combating sleep apnea. These are the reasons he’s hitting like everyone thought he would when drafted in the first round in 2013.

Don’t be surprised if both Alonso and Smith are on the OD rosters.

And I think using projections like ZIPS and Steamer on youngsters who are changing, is a waste of time.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

In this comment we have a “Best shape of their lives” reference, a lie in that “he wasn’t ready” and a dumping on projections all in one.

LongTimeFan
7 years ago

mwallach,

What I wrote is accurate. My full reply with proof and links to facts is awaiting Fangraphs moderation.

SirCharlesKMember since 2025
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

None of this really matters if they havent shown that they can do it. All we have to go on is past performance and how players with similar skill sets performed going forward based on the past performance we have.

Them being in the best shape of their lives means little when we have a litany of players who have been in similar positions and performed poorly. As a Mets fan but more importantly just a fan of guys succeeding, I’m really glad Smith has gotten sleep apnea under control and is playing well in ST. I’m also happy Peter Alonso is putting in some work in ST too and is in better shape.

That said, being in the best shape possible from the jump is a primary part of their jobs.

I’m not saying that either couldn’t buck expectations and do well. I certainly hope so, but to lambast a writer for going with evidence rather than how people feel about players is just idiotic.

LongTimeFan
7 years ago
Reply to  SirCharlesK

SirCharlesK,

Everything I wrote about Alonso and Smith is factual and can be proven.

The only arguable point is my view on projections offered by Jaffe.

But those projections are based on Smith prior to his most recent weight loss, new stance and mechanics, improved plate approach and his comments on sleep apnea being addressed.

Even Alonso has improved since end of last season such that projecting his batting average and OBP as low as Jaffe has, not only for 2019 but also 2020, is really questionable on a 24 year old who keeps getting better and better. What’s the hurry?

SirCharlesKMember since 2025
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

My point being that those facts are immaterial to any discussion that has any substance. Jaffe’s points are based on evidence from games played. Any other considerations are footnotes until they prove themselves on the field.

LongTimeFan
7 years ago
Reply to  SirCharlesK

Projections are only relevant if said players haven’t changed.

And why do we even need projections on players who are young and improving? Other than Alonso’s power which is huge and projectable, what’s the hurry with everything else including projecting 2020 results when 2019 regular season hasn’t even happened?

SirCharlesKMember since 2025
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

Projecting is what these websites do. It’s a key pillar of its coverage.

It’s a fun thought exercise but ultimately whether you take the stance that they don’t matter or do, we just have to wait for the games to be played.

ThrasiusMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

Yes, they are young. However, not all prospects improve, especially with the jump from the minors to the show.

Also, at this point, “best shape of career” preseason stories should be their own class of logical fallacies, same with any similar story, like the sleep apnea one. With that said, I guess they’re actually causal fallacies. Though I’m not a master debater by any means.

Kevbot034
7 years ago
Reply to  Thrasius

The apnea surgery I buy anecdotally far more than “best shape of his life” shenanigans. At least the surgery is not one that a hundred dudes don’t say every year lol

David Klein
7 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

He didn’t get surgery he just uses the mask now

Trotter76Member since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  SirCharlesK

Projections are not facts or evidence. They are educated guesses.

rhdx
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

You have no proof they are in ‘the best shape of their lives’. You haven’t seen them get on a scale and even if you did, there is more to being in the best shape of your life than simply your weight. Guys increase muscle and increase weight. I agree the projection systems are extremely noisy for young prospects without much MLB data, but that fact is widely acknowledged.

hebrewMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

Smith was using the CPAP machine last year, too. The whole “sleep apnea” thing is bogus.

LongTimeFan
7 years ago
Reply to  hebrew

Yea, that was indeed media distortion concocted as reason for his good spring training after Smith said he didn’t use his CPAP the night before he played poorly.

The major reasons for his excellent spring are new stance, improved mechanics (using lower body) improved plate approach, additional weight loss/improved fitness.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

If a National League team is carrying two guys on the 25-man who can literally only play first base, yes, I would be surprised. I guess the Nationals are doing that, but I was surprised by that too (and that’s because they don’t want to cut Zimmerman loose but can’t trust him to stay healthy. I am sure they would much rather have Adams in AAA if they could).

LongTimeFan
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Smith can also play LF and should improve over last season’s performance. I think it would be wise to get him reps there now while there’s still spring training remaining.

FrancoLuvHateMets
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

If Smith is playing LF, things have gone horribly wrong for the Mets. Like the article mentions they’d have to bench or have injured at least 2 of Nimmo/Conforto/McNeil to have him out there.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

I sure hope he would improve over last season’s performance: Over 90 innings, he had an UZR/150 of -50.4.

Given that improving by an order of Alex Gordon circa 2014–whether it would be through better measurement or actual better improvement–would leave him as the worst left field defender in UZR’s history (yes, worse than Manny, Hanley, Raul Ibanez, Pat Burrell, Ada Dunn etc)–I would advise the Mets that if they want to get him up to speed in the outfield that they do it at AAA.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You must not have seen Hanley in LF. I don’t care what the numbers say, nobody could possibly be any worse. He made Rhys Hoskins look like Yaz.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Hanley was utterly embarrassing. Amazingly, Dom Smith was so bad last year in his tiny sample that even with a prime Alex Gordon-level improvement, he would still be far, far, worse than Hanley was.

You have to believe that Dom Smith’s true ability in left field is actually better than that, because he was almost impossibly bad out there. The numbers indicate something that would be nearly impossible for any professional athlete to sustain (I, on the other hand, could do it).

carterMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If you think Hanley was bad wait till you see a full season of Alonso at 1st base. I watched him play a few years ago and he couldn’t play catch. It is not a joke. Pregame he over/ under threw his partner 1 in 4 throws and straight missed balls. One ball he missed actually literally struck him in the chest. I had never seen anything like it. Playing catch from 50ish feet away he misses a ball so bad it doesn’t even touch his glove and it hits him in the chest. To this day I still think he was drunk in pregame.I get that they are calling him a 40 here, but I have also read scouting reports that say he is a 20 and that is only because it doesn’t go any lower.

Curtis Cook
7 years ago
Reply to  carter

He looks much better than that now. I think the 40 is pretty accurate, and I think he’ll get up to 45-50 in a couple of years.

FrancoLuvHateMets
7 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I guess the Green Monster/less range to cover left field made his awfulness less bad statwise?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

I don’t think that was it. I think it was just that when he made mistakes, Hanley looked like the worst fielder of all time. UZR doesn’t give demerits for “looking” hopeless, not any more than someone who looked like they knew what they were doing but didn’t get it done.

NATS FanMember since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

The worst fielder I ever saw live was Luis Polonia. I saw him turn an easy single into an inside the park home run in the early 90s. Granted I’ve only seen Hanley on TV.

Curtis Cook
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

DRS agrees with UZR (-66 per year), but Total Zone has him as a dead average left fielder (+1 per year). That’s a wide discrepancy and another argument for taking defensive metrics with a ton of salt.

Trotter76Member since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  Curtis Cook

@Curtis Cook — Assuming you’re talking about Dom, not Hanley, he only had 14 chances in 13 games in the OF. I saw him play, and he was bad out there, but such a SSS will lead to wildly diverging metrics that don’t necessarily mean the metrics are bad, just the sample is small. If they are that far apart for, say, Adam Jones, that would be another story.

Dmjn53
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

Also states that Nimmo is playing RF with Conforto in LF, when it’s the reverse

Jetsy Extrano
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

You forgot to close with “‘Nuff said.”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

I believe the correct spelling is “Nuf Ced”

Curtis Cook
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

No, Jetsy had it right, Titanic True Believer.

Kevbot034
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

The only thing of mild interest is the sleep apnea surgery you mentioned. It really could help him out. Everything else is just silly.

Curtis Cook
7 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

Still not surgery; it’s a CPAP machine.

mike89
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

This is a pretty good WFAN caller impression.

BurleighGrimesMember since 2026
7 years ago

I believe Smith could still find a way to being a league average regular at first, but it seems that Alonso’s raw power gives him more upside and a higher floor at this point. Given how tight the NL east projects to be, he seems to give the team more of a chance of beating projections due to that upside.

Also worth considering: without Cespedes in the lineup, the upper half of the Mets lineup projects to be fairly lefty heavy with Nimmo, Conforto, McNeil, and Cano. Wilson Ramos offsets that to some degree, and maybe Amed Rosario takes a step or two forward, but Alonso’s profile makes a lot more sense in the Mets lineup than Smith’s at this point.

BurleighGrimesMember since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  BurleighGrimes

Having said this, I think the Mets could hold on to Dom a while longer at AAA as depth. His trade value must be fairly low right now.

David Klein
7 years ago
Reply to  BurleighGrimes

Longtime fan preserve the 40 man? You know Drew Gagnon and Jacob Rhame were and are on the for
40 man roster right? They are easily replaceable and likely get through waivers.

LongTimeFan
7 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

David Klein –

Both Gagnon and Rhame continue to be on the 40 through two GM’s. One is starting pitching depth, the other is a reliever who is now needed somewhat more with Drew Smith on the shelf for the season.

When it came to making room on the 40, Brodie’s opted to release TJ Rivera and pass Cecchini through waivers – not bump pitchers from 40. Now, with 2 open 40-man spots plus Cespedes’s, Drew Smith’s and possibly Dowdy’s if doesn’t make team. Mets may not have to remove any one else.

But getting back to Alonso’s non September call up – it’s true the Mets didn’t feel Alonso was ready in September 2018, and that they wanted to preserve 40-man roster spot for Rule 5 and offseason considerations knowing that Alonso didn’t have to be on the 40 during the offseason to remain a Met. The AZ Fall league, Spring training, shedding 12 pounds and working all offseason to improve defensively, Alonso now looks ready.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2018/10/18/peter-alonso-ny-mets-1-b-prospect-producing-arizona-fall-league/1685066002/

Certainly even with full 40 in spring training, Alonso would get his 40 to make the team just by putting Cespedes on the 60-Day injured list before opening day something they weren’t allowed to do in offseason.

LongTimeFan
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

Just to correct, Cecchini’s 40 was given to someone but Mets will still have at least 4 open 40 man spots with Killome recovering from TJ surgery and heading to the 60 Day Injured List before opening day.

drummie
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

TJ was released.

Curtis Cook
7 years ago
Reply to  drummie

Yes, LongTime wrote that just above: “Brodie’s opted to release TJ Rivera…”.

David Klein
7 years ago
Reply to  BurleighGrimes

Couldn’t have said it better myself

Paul G.Member since 2016
7 years ago

I believe the standard operating procedure for the Mets in such situations is to trade both of them away, plus their second best reliever as a throw-in, in exchange for Juan Samuel.

David Klein
7 years ago
Reply to  Paul G.

Mentioning a trade from thirty years ago, which is like five gms ago? If you are gonna troll mention dfa’ing Turner or letting Murphy go or the tired Bobby Bo stuff.

SirCharlesKMember since 2025
7 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

Getting prickly about stuff like this is exactly what they want. Talk is cheap anyways. The Mets have a good shot to do some good things this year. As a fan of the Metsies, I can’t wait.

YA GOTTA BELIEVE!

stakhanovitamix
7 years ago

This article is a bit frustrating to me, in regards to the ongoing debate about Alonso. It mentions that the lack of a call-up for Alonso looked like a “garden variety attempt to manipulate his service time”; then it follows by saying, “To be fair, scouts did and do have concerns about Alonso’s defense and his conditioning.” Then, we get an analysis of Dom Smith compared to Alonso- clearly positioning him as a rival prospect at first—but making no connection to the fact that Smith was given a lot of the AB at first in September. To me, this has been consistently ignored by most people who flatly state that Alonso’s service time and future earnings potential were held down for no good reason.
If Smith is a close enough prospect to Alonso to be part of a positional battle this spring—and his performance thus far suggests that he is- then then Mets were absolutely justified in devoting some time to evaluating him in September. (Frankly, I think it’s fair that they were also showcasing Jay Bruce at 1B in September, but others may see otherwise).
I’m excited about Alonso; but I think we could very easily have seen a spring where Alonso had fewer hits and more errors; if Smith were still hitting over .400 at that point, I don’t see how he wouldn’t at least get serious consideration for the OD starter job. I appreciate that the article credits Van Wagenen for having said all the right things this offseason/spring; but I would be even happier to see an article that looks at the idea of salary manipulation WRT Alonso with more nuance, instead of just neatly categorizing it as a parallel to the Vladito situation.

LongTimeFan
7 years ago

I have problems with the article too.

TulkasMember since 2024
7 years ago

I agree. I get the hype for Alonso, I really do. He obviously tore up AA, but he took a huge dropoff in AAA. His defense isn’t just a smokescreen–he’s legitimately below MLB average there, and while he may not improve because of his size and skillset, he literally started last year as an interesting but not elite prospect in AA. And it’s not like his present day MLB projections are projecting a ROY contender.

I believe he should have been a September call up, and I believe his defense is unlikely to improve. But there are genuine reasons to give him a few more reps in Vegas IF there is a legitimate alternative at the major league level. What interesting is that after last season, it looked like Smith was NOT that, but so far this spring Smith is making it a battle at least.

Trotter76Member since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  Tulkas

This is scouting the season stat line. Alonso did have an adjustment period after getting called up to AAA, but he straightened that out and finished very strong. His OPS by month: June .782; July .805; August 1.122; September 1.049.

Curtis Cook
7 years ago
Reply to  Tulkas

More reps in Las Vegas? Why should we trade him to the As? Who do you think they’d give us for him?

TulkasMember since 2024
7 years ago
Reply to  Curtis Cook

Oh right I forgot they are in Syracuse now

Handsome Wes
7 years ago

I’ve seen it a few times, so what’s the big knock on righty/righty first basemen? I can understand the preference for left-handed throwers – easier to stretch for throws from the infield, easier to make throws to other infielders, easier for pickoff plays – but I’m not sure what the big deal is with a right-handed hitting 1st baseman.

Side note, I remember the Mets having a 1B issue a few years ago with Ike Davis, who’d hit 30 HRs either the prior season or the one before, in a competition with Lucas Duda. The Mets went with Duda, who had a few fine seasons as the 1B. Davis, on the other hand, bounced around the league (and last I checked, he was trying to make a comeback as a pitcher). One of a few good trades done by the Mets, I suppose.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Handsome Wes

This is one of my pet peeves–the R/R first baseman gets a bad reputation by association, not because there is anything inherently wrong with being an R/R 1B.

-There are big disadvantages for lefties playing 2B/SS/3B, so lots of lefties who move to 1B may be athletic enough to handle 2B/3B, but not fast enough for the outfield.
-Righties, however, can play 2B/3B. So anyone athletic enough to play those spots but not fast enough for outfield winds up at 2B/3B
-The remaining pool of R/R first basemen, therefore, is someone who is too slow for the outfield (or otherwise bad out there) and not athletic enough to cover ground at a different infield position.
-Hence, people have concluded that R/R first basemen are bad.

The ridiculous thing about this is that there are very few lefty-swinging first basemen who could logically play other positions if they were L/R, and plenty of L/R first basemen who couldn’t hack it at 3rd and 2nd.

(There is also a general preference for lefties over righties in some quarters, which makes sense for lineup balance, but as a general rule is also potentially fallacious since there are so many more righties than lefties in the world that you probably have at least as deep a pool of immobile sluggers to handle 1st from the right side as the left–some of whom did play 3rd base or the corner outfield when they were younger)

In summary, there is nothing inherent about being an R/R 1B that is a bad outcome.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
7 years ago

The smartest thing is to start alonso in AAA (smiths good spring
gives the mets the perfect excuse to manipulate his service time) and smith gets the job, then in late April smith gets traded and alonso takes over. Maybe if smith is red hot keep alonso down until super two but Alonso has a much better minors track record and likely is the better long term solution because smith just never developed starting 1b kind of power.

fjtorres
7 years ago

The Mets need the DH to come to the NL.

David Klein
7 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I’ve been saying that for over a decade.

Curtis Cook
7 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

NOBODY needs the DH to come to the NL.