Should We Believe in the Pittsburgh Pirates?

Pittsburgh Pirates
Brad Mills-USA TODAY Sports

Any time something crazy happens early in the season, such as the week that Adam Duvall was leading the league in WAR, I tend to dismiss it with a single word reply of “April.” But the calendar has now flipped, and the shower-month has become the flower-month, so it’s getting a bit harder to ignore the Pirates, standing at the top of the NL Central with a 20–9 record, a whopping 10 games above last season’s victor, the currently last-place Cardinals. Nearly 20% of the season is now done, and it’s probably time to talk about whether Pittsburgh is for real.

First off, going 20–9 is always an impressive run. Teams that do that aren’t always great teams, but they’re usually at least middling and only rarely actually bad. There have been exactly 1.21 craploads of 20–9 or better runs over the last 20 years, and only two with a run that solid, the 2021 Cubs and 2005 Orioles, finished with 75 wins or fewer. And while the Pirates had more than their share of basement-dwelling opponents (the average opponent has a .430 winning percentage), great performances in baseball tend to be in environments that are most conducive to those performances. The Yankees had the best 29-game run last year, at 24–5, with 21 of those 29 games coming against non-playoff teams.

Suffice it to say that the projection systems were generally not optimistic on the idea of the Pirates being contenders in 2023. Our preseason depth charts gave them a 3% chance to win the division and a 6.5% chance of making the playoffs. ZiPS, which liked the Cardinals better than the combined projections (a prognostication that’s not looking great right now), was even more down on Pittsburgh, with only a 0.7% shot at the NL Central and 1.8% for a postseason. These weren’t hopeless numbers, but they certainly left the Pirates as a longshot. But as of the morning of May 2, our projections now have the Pirates at 18.5% to win the division and 32.3% to make the playoffs. And the updated ZiPS projections for 2023 suggest a chaotic division if everyone’s somewhere around their median projection. When you take into account Pittsburgh’s hot start, the Cubs playing very well, St. Louis’ bleak April, and Milwaukee’s pitching injuries, ZiPS sees the NL Central as wide open:

ZiPS Projected Standings – NL Central (5/2)
Team W L GB Pct Div% WC% Playoff% WS Win%
Milwaukee Brewers 85 77 .525 30.8% 17.9% 48.7% 2.2%
St. Louis Cardinals 85 77 .525 27.0% 17.6% 44.6% 4.3%
Pittsburgh Pirates 84 78 1 .519 22.6% 16.7% 39.3% 1.2%
Chicago Cubs 83 79 2 .512 19.3% 16.0% 35.3% 1.6%
Cincinnati Reds 68 94 17 .420 0.2% 0.5% 0.7% 0.0%

The good news for Pirates fans is that the assumptions needed to get here are not particularly aggressive. Neither ZiPS nor our Depth Charts combined projections have decided that Pittsburgh is a great team, or even a good one. In fact, both methodologies still see them finishing below .500 — Depth Charts as a .467 team, ZiPS as a .490 team.

In other words, even as a mediocre team, the Pirates are a threat to take the NL Central. Plundering the NL Central is not like taking on the Spanish treasure fleet or defeating the garrison at San Juan or Santo Domingo. These Pirates don’t have a massive galleon or even a Dutch merchantman, but their sloop is enough to capture some pinnaces, loot Eleuthera, and get the map to rescue their kidnapped sister. A .500 team with the Pirates lead can do this, and I promise I’ll stop the nostalgia for Sid Meier’s Pirates!, which I played about a billion hours of when I was in middle school.

Let’s dig into the ZiPS projections for the Pirates first. A 79–83 team isn’t the most exciting one, but it might be enough at this point. Even a 79-win team would be a significant upgrade on what nearly everyone, including Pirates fans, thought of them coming into the season. And at this point, ZiPS only sees a 2% chance they finish with fewer than 70 wins!

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You can see real progress when you look at the projections. Jack Suwinski is not really a 164 wRC+ guy when we talk the future, but he’s shown enough power (StatCast hard-hit percentage over 50%) that he might be a 115–120 hitter who could hit 30 homers in a season and plausibly handle center field. Similarly, Connor Joe has shown impressive pop this year, backed up by his Statcast data — both MLB’s xSLG and ZiPS’ zSLG are around .500 — enough that there’s a good chance he’s at least a league-average player at this point. Add in Bryan Reynolds, who we already know is good, and Ke’Bryan Hayes, who is better than his weak start, and while ZiPS (and probably everybody else on the planet) does not expect the Pirates to continue to lead the league in runs scored, you see a real foundation for them to have at least a decent offense.

There’s even more reason to be hopeful with the pitching. Roansy Contreras was on my pitcher breakout piece for 2023, and Mitch Keller was almost there, so it doesn’t shock me to see them pitching well. Rich Hill will continue to eat innings effectively. But the biggest surprise may be Vince Velasquez, who looks a lot like he did in his first couple of seasons in the majors, when he was a highly interesting prospect.

I’m not yet at the point where I’m a believer in Velasquez, but enough has happened that I’m at least reading the pamphlet at lunch. While he hasn’t added a fancy new pitch or found a Charlie Morton-esque hidden cache of fastball velocity, he is pitching differently than he has in past seasons. Like Kevin Gausman a few years ago, he’s simplified his repertoire, jettisoning his sporadically effective knuckle-curve and, instead of adding a different pitch, relying heavily on his slider. In the past, Velasquez leaned on that curve against left-handed batters, as his changeup is distinctively in the “meh” category. When using the slider against lefties, he usually tried to thread it over their lower inside corner, similar location to when he was throwing it against a righty. Ethan Witte over at the Good Phight actually suggested he keelhaul one of his pitches in favor of the slider years ago.

This is an 84 [mph] slider that Goldschmidt is way out in front of, which is very important to Velasquez if he wants to start to use the pitch more. The reason relates to sequencing and tunneling. Velasquez started this plate appearance with a 94 m.p.h. fastball in roughly the same area. He followed it up with this slider, the result of which you see above. According to Baseball Prospectus, Velasquez has followed up a fastball with a slider 21 times this season to a right handed batter. When he throws it, there is an average of 1.41 inches of distance between the two pitches at the tunnel point, a number that is on par with pitchers like Chris Archer (1.39 in), Gerrit Cole (1.42 in) and Max Scherzer (1.45 in). Put another way, his slider looks almost the same as those pitchers at the same tunnel point, pitchers right now with some of the best sliders in the game. While Velasquez’s slider is 2-3 m.p.h. slower than theirs, coming at the hitter, it resembles a fastball until late in the at bat, which is resulting in the groundballs. It’s a pitch he needs to start trusting more often.

Just as Gausman has started using his splitter as a pseudo-breaking pitch against lefties, Velasquez is using his slider against lefties this year as basically an alternative changeup, seeking to place it low or outside rather than trying — usually unsuccessfully — to nick the inside corner. Here’s his map against lefties this year:

Coming into the season, lefties had a career .321 batting average and a .524 slugging percentage against his sliders. This year, lefties are 2-for-25 with a homer against Velasquez when they successfully put the ball in play. Not bad at all; he’s already thrown more sliders against lefties than all but one season of his career. Overall, 34% of his pitches against left-handed hitters in 2023 are sliders. Is that enough to say we should think of him as a good number two or three starter now? Probably not, but the fact that he’s getting success with a changed approach should at least be looked at. A Vince Velasquez avoiding the gopher ball is an intriguing pitcher.

Are the Pirates a good team? Probably not. But they’re a dangerous team, and if the Cardinals and Brewers simply wait for Pittsburgh to turn into a pumpkin, they may have some unexpected time off in October.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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tyke
3 years ago

i mean, even if they went .500 the rest of the way they are in the playoffs. there is so much momentum is banking 20 wins this earlier, especially when one of your chief rivals has tanked

johndarc
3 years ago
Reply to  tyke

But enough about the Rays

Browns0286Member since 2018
3 years ago

If you’d have told me in March that we’d be not only reading articles like this about the Pirates in May – but, further, that it would have nothing to do with a healthy Oneil Cruz having broken out…

Wild. Baseball is the best.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago

I’m not sure whether the 85 win projection for the Brewers assumes Woodruff pitching 121 more innings but, if it does that seems like a lot. The team is giving an end of June goal for a return. Cardinals seem like a better bet with more depth but the pitching is pretty bad. The Cubs seem slightly better than Pittsburgh and wouldn’t be a bad bet to win the division.

carterMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Why the Cardinals haven’t traded an outfielder already is surprising to me. Jordan Walker hasn’t really hit great, and has played poor defense, but he is still hitting the ball incredibly hard, and with a little elevation he can crush. I am sure a ton of teams would be interested in Tyler O’Neil who seems to be the odd man out. They also have various guys who are around league average bat hanging around in Yepez and depth piece in Gomez.

Goldy has been business as usual, but the collapse (thus far) of Arenado has really hurt them. His batted ball metrics have been bad for a long while (seriously look when the last time he hit a HR to CF was, 2020) he has always made the most of the profile by extreme fly balls right down the line. It always struck me as the thing old men do at the end of their career….but then he has been good to great with STL, until now. Back in 2018 he used to hit the ball with authority all over the field, now he can only pull the ball, and with less authority. I have thought about him a fair bit over the years, basically he wasn’t a power hitter on contact. He was a contact hitter who had an extreme fly ball approach (highest in league) who ended up hitting a lot of home runs just because he hit the ball in the air a lot to the shortest part of the field exclusively. Now that he has nearly doubled his K%, has below average max ev, one of the worst in the league avg ev, it sort of seems like a recipe for disaster. With that said, he was horrible in 2020 as well and bounced back, so this could be the same thing. But being bad at a much older age makes it seem less likely.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

I am not sure O’Neill has a lot of value right now. He’s not been bad offensively but he’s not been good either.

Lanidrac
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

Trade an outfielder for whom? There’s no decent pitching available at this point of the season. With Wainwright coming back and replacing Woodford this week and Liberatore lighting it up in AAA, there’s no point in trading a quality asset right now for someone who may not even be better than what they already have.

PC1970Member since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

The only one I can think of is Eduardo Rodriguez. Detroit is bad & could use young hitting in the worst way. His contract is favorable, 3 yrs for $49M left after this year for his age 31-33 seasons.

Of course, he has an opt out after the year, so STL may have to do something (add 1-2 years at $25M? on the back end) to get him to stay.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Yeah you have to assume E-Rod is a rental at this point. But he would be a serious upgrade.

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

It’s wild how quickly the opinions on Rodriguez swung back around. During this offseason Tigers fans were bemoaning the dead weight of his contract and how their 2022 free agent acquisitions were unmitigated disasters. It doesn’t look like Baez will be resurrecting his value anytime soon, but it took a month for Rodriguez to go from underwater to trade value.

montrealMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

I think it was a terrible mistake to pay Baez all that money but the gamble on E Rod was worth it. In both 2019 and 2021 E Rod had very good seasons. As for Baez he was striking out at an embarrassing pace and since he rarely walks he always looked like a poor bet to me.

jrothMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

Your description of late Arenado is a lot like what Josh Harrison has done in his best seasons: pull the ball in the air and sneak a dozen homers over the fences. I don’t think anyone can sustain it long term, because just a little lost power, or a little decline in timing, and those 330 ft HRs turn into foul balls and warning track outs.

srpst23Member since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

Wow, other than his Outs above average (defense) score, everything else on Arenado’s savant page is blue. Usually dark blue. His maxEV is literally in Whit Merrifield/Steven Kwan territory.

montrealMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

Excellent post. Why in the world don’t the Cardinals trade a hitter for a pitcher ? They have 2 guys in AAA that should be Major League hitters. And they have a starting staff that is not strong at all. I would bet on the Pirates finishing ahead of the Cardinals. They have a big league and the Cards do not look good at all. Both teams need starting pitching but the Pirates have a real good outfield whereas the Cardinals have about 6 decent to good outfielders but not one or two “very” good outfielders. A huge lead is hard to overcome. Any time.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The Cardinals have dug themselves a nice, deep hole, and while the starters have to be better than this I think the chances you would trust any of them aside from Montgomery is very low.

The Brewers are finally starting to run out of competent major leaguers, so that’s not good, but they’re already 18-10. If Brandon Woodruff is back in June and his old self (a lot of questions there) then you have to think the Brewers are the team to beat even if they are relying on Brian Anderson to stay healthy and good.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Other than having six outfielders, do the Cardinals really have more depth than the Brewers?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Well no but that does give them something to trade.

chazzycatMember since 2016
3 years ago

No mention of their aggressive base stealing? The Pirates seem to be taking advantage of the new rules better than other teams.

carterMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  chazzycat

Everyone is stealing. Carlos Santana has more stolen bases than Bichette, Robert and Betts combined.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

Everyone is stealing. Carlos Santana has more stolen bases than Bichette, Robert and Betts combined.”

In that case, apparently everyone is stealing except Bichette, Robert, and Betts.

montrealMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

Yup Carlos Santana has indeed outdone those “former speedsters” Betts is older and simply does not want to run anymore. Bichette can’t steal bases period. Other than 1 year he % is flat out lousy. Robert I’m not sure if injury plays a factor but again you are correct. Carlos “Bleepin” Santana the base thief.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

Everything about this article is great, but my favorite part is “plundering the NL Central is not like taking on the Spanish treasure fleet or defeating the garrison at San Juan or Santo Domingo.”

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Those actually fought back.
Look up Antonio de los reyes Correa.

Silver KingMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The nostalgic part of me (well, nostalgic for my youth, not for the 1600s!) feels sure that Dan is referencing the classic late-’80s computer game “Pirates” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier%27s_Pirates!

My mind drifts back to nights spent with friends in a college sub-basement lab, each playing the wonderfully open-ended adventure game, thanks to a pirated copy of course.

CharlieMarx48Member since 2020
3 years ago

“I’m not yet at the point where I’m a believer in Velasquez, but enough has happened that I’m at least reading the pamphlet at lunch.”

I’ve never heard of that one before, I’m stealing that line. Great article!

WebsMember since 2020
3 years ago

I’ve been looking for a runnable version of Pirates! for years. I was quite the duelist back in the day.

sirpuffmcdrunk
3 years ago
Reply to  Webs

Gog.com has it for very cheap and it will run on modern computers

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago

Ke’Bryan Hayes, who is better than his weak start…”

Are we really sure? His numbers this year are basically the same as his previous 750 at bats.

Last edited 3 years ago by airforce21one
sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

he’s had some bad batted ball luck but it’s also true he that you can’t expect him to be more than average hitter at this point.

wokegraphs
3 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

FG and all statheads love players like Hayes because they overrate defense.

lukeMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  wokegraphs

How can you overrate half the game? Pitching is defense ya know.

wokegraphs
3 years ago
Reply to  luke

because there are more players who are good at defense than there are players who are good at hitting. I’ll support my argument with stats so maybe you’ll not just “I’m a stathead; that’s wrong!”

there are 232 players who’ve amassed 30 PAs with positive DEF and 173 with 30 PAs with positive OFF. I know that’s simplistic but in a supply and demand sense offense is more valuable than defense.

Last edited 3 years ago by wokegraphs
fjtorres
3 years ago

Billy Beane famously said the first two months of the season were for finding out what you have. The next two for fixing any problem And the last two for making the run.

20-9 is great. Nobody is going to take that away from them.
But lets wait another month. If they’re at 30-19 or better (or everybone else has imploded) then we can tslk abou the next step.

Things look hopeful but May leaders don’t always go all the way.
(Go Bucs!)

rburgh
3 years ago

I spent most of the offseason trying to convince people on some of the Pirate fanboards that the Pirates would be better this year than they have been for a while. But I projected them to score about 700 runs and allow about 725 (both massive improvements over last year). One of my biggest talking points was that the Pirates last year had a subset of their pitching staff that combined for an ERA over 10 and that they were all gone. Another was that the vanMeters and Alfords and Tuckers and Collinses and Chavises and Tsutsugos of the world were also gone.

But I thought the biggest point was that, except for Hedges, the hitters they brought in (Cutch, Joe, Santana, and Choi) were very disciplined hitters, and also that they covered all the major ethnicities of the Pirates’ lineup. So every young hitter had a veteran hitter with excellent plate discipline as a role model.

Seriously, though, they’re playing close to .700 ball. That’s obviously not going to continue as the schedule gets tougher. And it very probably wouldn’t continue even if they continued to play opponents with an average W-L% of .430. One of my favorite maxims about baseball is that, “You’re never as good as you look when you’re winning or as bad as you look when you’re losing.”

To get to 90 wins, though, they only need to go 70-63, and that doesn’t seem like an extreme outlier of a result. And you need to factor in the return of Cruz in August, the promotion of Rodriguez or Davis in June, and the fact that the next starter up in case of injury or flameout will probably be Luis Ortiz, who already has had a taste of success in MLB and who is pitching very well in AAA. And Choi is supposed to be ready to return in mid- to late June, providing more offensive depth.

One of the good things that came out of the Cruz injury is that it got regular playing time for Castro. He’s very valuable to this team, since he’s a force against LHP. And the fact that he can play regularly has let him relax at the plate, his plate discipline improvement has been enormous.

TheUncool
3 years ago

Certainly great to see the Bucs doing so well and far exceeding expectations so far even though the odds are still substantially against them to still be in the race come Sept.

Hopefully, this is really just the beginning of a brighter, sustainable future for them… as that’s definitely good for baseball all-around — and no, I’m not remotely a Bucs homer…

montrealMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  TheUncool

I’m a Yankee fan but the Pirates success so far makes me happy. PNC is the nicest ball park in Baseball, the City of Pittsburgh has grown a really nice area around the ball parks in the way of restaurants, Bars, walking over the Roberto Clemente Bridge. And the Pirates have a great baseball history. Go Pirates !!

raregokusMember since 2022
3 years ago

Thanks Dan!

It’s obviously still very early but, thinking about the Cardinals underperforming ZiPS projections, I wonder if this is a byproduct of the Monte Carlo approach used to simulate the season. Simulating the season millions of times with playing time adjusted to model injuries, the mean result is that the team with the smallest drop off in performance between their first and second choices at a particular position will come out ahead of the rest.

But the Cardinals have been abnormally healthy this year (outside of Wainwright), so that depth has provided much less of a benefit than expected. This is entirely speculation and based on one (still incomplete) result, but it does make me wonder if ZiPS is weighting the extreme ends of player playing time distributions appropriately.

curt schillings ketchup bottle
3 years ago

I’ll say this, I think they have a much better chance of winning the division than the cardinals have of getting to 85 wins. That team looks in absolute disarray

HomesteadSteveMember since 2018
3 years ago

The Pirates best hope for this season is that Endy and Oneil are their two best players, or at least 2 of the 3, down the stretch.

And for the future for that matter, but the subject at hand is 2023.

CTA
3 years ago

Sid Meier’ Pirates!!! That put a biiiiiiig smile on my face. Legendary stuff. Let’s hope “your men flee in panic as the tide of battle turns agaist them” will not hold true for the Buccos.

Silver KingMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  CTA

The front office better have pages 35 and 36 of the manual handy! =)

Aw, and here’s the beloved map. I got my sense of the geography of the Caribbean from the game…
http://www.c64sets.com/details_db.html?id=3942&t=Pirates!&i=map