Sonny Gray and the Summer Trade Market

About a year ago, I remember thinking that Billy Beane must be feeling pretty good about having Sonny Gray, perhaps one of baseball’s best trade chips. Stephen Strasburg had just signed a contract extension, leaving few, if any, pending free agents around the league and little else available on the trade market at the deadline. With a cost-controlled pitcher, the A’s could sell to any team without being limited to major markets. If Drew Pomeranz was capable of fetching a top prospect in Anderson Espinoza, Sonny Gray was going to merit a haul.

It didn’t quite work out that way. A combination of ineffectiveness and arm injuries, perhaps one causing the other, left Gray with a poor season. A year later, Gray is pitching well, and he might still be that valuable trade chip I considered him to be a year ago.

I have some recollection of Sonny Gray being a top-of-the-rotation starter, an ace-type player. Then I look at some of his stats, and I can’t help but feel slightly underwhelmed. There’s his 21% strikeout rate from 2013 to 2015, which ranks an okay 31st out of 89 pitchers with at least 400 innings. His 7.7% walk rate was 60th among those 89 pitchers — not that good at all, in other words. Then you look a little further and find the one thing that Gray did very well — namely, keep the ball on the ground. His ground-ball rate of 54% was seventh in the majors during that timeframe. It’s hard for opposing batters to collect extra-base hits when they can’t get off the ground. It’s impossible to hit it out of the park. Unsurprisingly, Gray’s 0.66 HR/9 was 12th best in baseball during that period. Opponent ISO was under .100, second only to Clayton Kershaw.

By FIP, Gray was one of the top-25 pitchers in baseball during that time. Add in some batted-ball luck, and perhaps skill, and Gray’s ERA- was 76, ninth best in baseball, right between Felix Hernandez and David Price. In 2016, things didn’t go Gray’s way. He might not be quite as bad as you remember. His 4.76 FIP was poor, of course, and he was allowing nearly double the homers he had previously, but he wasn’t awful, either. Oakland’s defense, one of the worst in recent memory, didn’t help things, as Gray’s ERA shot up to 5.69. A strained lat in spring training meant Gray would start the season on the disabled list. Out of sight, out of mind.

When Gray debuted this season, he pitched six innings against Minnesota, striking out four and allowing only two walks. He also gave up three homers and four total runs. In the four starts since then, however, Gray has exhibited all the traits that defined his success from 2013 to 2015. At 25.3%, his strikeout rate is actually better; his walk rate is just 6.3%. He’s given up just one homer, the ground-ball rate is at 62%, and his BABIP is .281. The contact against him hasn’t created much damage — and it hasn’t been luck, either, as his xwOBA of .247 is right in line with his wOBA allowed of .251, per Basesball Savant. He’s got a sterling 2.32 FIP and a good 2.62 ERA to match, and his best start of the year was his last one, during which he struck out 11 while adding just a single walk and lone run over seven innings against the Marlins. The start compelled Buster Olney to call him potentially the top target on the trade market, noting the potency of his slider.

So let’s talk about that slider. When things started to go wrong last year, Jeff Sullivan observed that Gray was throwing a slider and a curve that were somewhat similar. Before 2016, however, there was a clear difference between the two pitches. In 2016, the pitches melded together a bit, prompting Sullivan to produce this video showing how the pitches had devolved.

Now here is the same chart from this year.

It isn’t quite like the 2014 and 2015 image, but it isn’t 2016, either. Gray has most frequently located his breaking ball right below the zone, and he’s getting batters to chase it. When Gray was good in 2014 and 2015, batters swung at pitches out of the strike zone 31% of the time. Last year, that figure declined to 28%. This year, though, it’s back up to 31%. Better still, the contact percentage against Gray on pitches out of the zone has gone down from around 60%, which includes last year’s tough season, to just 53% this year. This has happened as Gray has thrown fewer pitches in the strike zone, down to 43% this season after sitting at 47% for most of his career. All this together means he is getting more swings — and then more swings and misses — outside the zone, leading to an 11% swinging-strike rate, the highest of his career.

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That slider has gotten a little slower over the past few years, but it has gotten a bit more drop, as well.

Sonny Gray Slider
Velocity (mph) Vertical Movement (in.)
2014 87.4 2.83
2015 87.2 0.87
2016 86.0 -1.06
2017 85.3 -2.42
SOURCE: Brooks Baseball

That slider, when located right below the zone, is going to look a lot like a strike as it approaches the plate, likely allowing Gray to keep that chase rate up. In his first three starts this season, Gray threw a total of 15 sliders. In his last two starts, he’s thrown 43, per Brooks Baseball. Of those 43 sliders, batters swung and missed at 15 of them. We’re dealing with a pretty small sample, obviously, but Gray just put up the best two-game stretch in terms of strikeouts in his entire career.

Hitters could adjust to Gray and start laying off pitches outside the zone. He’ll probably give up more than one homer every four games eventually, too. That said, if Gray’s slider remains a pitch that hitters chase — and he keeps up his ground-balling ways with both the four-seam and the two-seam fastball, like he has in the past — this might be the best version of Sonny Gray that we’ve seen. And we’ve seen some pretty good versions of Gray. If Gray can stay healthy, some team might be willing to pay quite a price for potentially two-and-a-half seasons of potentially great pitching. There could be quite a few pitchers on the market — and even a potentially comparable one in Jose Quintana in terms of contract — but if Gray keeps this up, Olney could be right, and Gray might be the No. 1 trade target in baseball when summer arrives.





Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.

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paulkrugman
9 years ago

Any chance Billy can package Gray with a back of the rotation type for Gleyber Torres?

Baseball RandyMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  paulkrugman

No

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  paulkrugman

From what I’ve read Torres is untouchable. And the A’s don’t have a deep farm system.

Socrates Johnson
9 years ago

It may not be a top tier system but it’s certainly not lacking in depth. 24 prospects on Eric’s list this year.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

Cotton, Montas, and Pinder are in the majors–that’s 3 of the 10 guys with FV 45 and up. And 24 isn’t really “deep” or “shallow” but I think close to the median of the organizations Eric profiles.

At least at the beginning of this year, what they had was a lot of pitchers who had been written off for one reason or another–usually because they are short, but sometimes because they were hurt or were pitcher conversions. They must have invested a lot of resources in finding those players because that type of player has a low hit rate…and somehow they got Cotton, Jeffries, Gossett, and Fillmeyer out of that group (all FV 45 and above on Eric’s list). Although Cotton was easy since they plucked him from the Dodgers. It is a decent system but not at all conventional, which I supposed shouldn’t surprise any of us.

backdoorslider
9 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah.

fuster
9 years ago
Reply to  paulkrugman

Gray and Chapman might get the Yankees to give them Frazier and change

the Yankees aren’t going to trade Torres for anyone other than someone on the level of Kershaw or Trout

numbabeast
9 years ago
Reply to  fuster

That’s a horrible deal for us. 2 and a half years of Gray PLUS a gold glove caliber 3B prospect for just one prospect and maybe a lottery ticket? I know Frazier is good and all, but Chapman is a pretty damn good prospect too.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  fuster

If the Yankees were trading for Quintana they would need to build it around some combination of Torres/Frazier and Fowler/Sheffield. That’s probably not happening. Based on Beane’s past, I would guess he would look for a guy to replace the one he traded but with more control. I’d guess he’d probably want Severino but that’s not happening either. Unlike Hahn–who is focused on a couple of top pieces–Beane might go for volume like Chad Green, Sheffield, Tyler Wade or Mateo, and Chance Adams (and maybe an FV40 or two). That would be a great deal for the Yankees, but who knows if either side would find that appealing.
It just doesn’t seem like the Yankees are going to be the one to meet Beane’s asking price, whatever it is. They’re ahead of schedule right now. I’d guess the Astros and Cubs would be more willing to meet Beane’s asking price, whatever it is. And depending on the circumstances maybe the Rockies or Rangers as well.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

I like this version of Sonny Gray more than Quintana, assuming he keeps the ball in the park. Which is a big assumption after last year. If he goes back to a league average homer rate from here on out, he’s a great piece.

Realistically I think teams will be happier to deal with Beane than the White Sox too. BB isn’t always sold on the same prospects that other teams are (see: Donaldson trade). There was some rumor that the White Sox were asking for Kyle Tucker, Francis Martes, and Joe Musgrove for Quintana. Beane might have someone he loves that doesn’t have the same prospect pedigree.

baycommuterMember since 2016
9 years ago

What do people think of Gray to the Cubs for Almora and a B-level prospect? Almora really needs to play more.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  baycommuter

Wouldn’t be enough. Given Beane’s love of guys who are either close to the majors or who have had a little MLB experience, I’d guess that Schwarber, Happ, Candelario, and Almora are the guys he’d be interested in. He obviously wouldn’t get all of them and I doubt the Cubs would want to give any of them up (especially not the first two), but the Cubs have more of a need for Gray than anyone else and more MLB-ready position players than they have spots for. Maybe Schwarber or Happ as the centerpiece, with Candelario as a secondary piece and a couple of lower level guys (or upper-level guys without upside) to fill it out.

(Note: I don’t actually know for a fact what Beane would want, I just find general manager quirks fascinating and am making guesses based on past trades)

Doorknob11
9 years ago

So you’re saying Gray would be great on the Rockies? Maybe for the SS the Rockies don’t see as their future SS? Maybe Story and Dahl for Gray move Seimen (sp?) to 3rd or Story over and there you go.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Doorknob11

I hadn’t even thought about Dahl, but unless the A’s are going to convert Barreto to center field the only options anywhere in the organization for center and right field are fringe prospects, Rajai Davis, Mark Canha, and Matt Joyce. I don’t know what the Rockies would be willing to give up (Dahl looks really good, I don’t know that I’d like giving him up) but they have so much MLB-ready/young controllable talent that they wouldn’t need to give up Brendan Rodgers. And they would seem like a prime team looking for a top of the rotation guy (they already tried to get Marcus Stroman).

If I’m a Rockies fan, what scares me the most about Gray is that he throws a curveball on almost 20% of his pitches and curveballs don’t work correctly in Colorado. Brdich doesn’t care since he mostly cares about velocity. But he should care. Of course, Quintana relies even more on his curveball–over a quarter of the time in recent seasons–so he’s not a great option either. And if Chris Archer or Gerrit Cole available they’ll cost a fortune. Not easy to build a pitching staff in Colorado.

Turd Furgeson
9 years ago
Reply to  Doorknob11

agree the rockies are a likely partner.many ppl see barreto as a better 2b.ss would still be a need in that case, chapman presumably takes over 3b, semiens either dealt or can move to OF where he can be as bad as he is at ss. I dont see semien moving to 3b most of his problems come on his throws from ss.

jdbolickMember since 2016
9 years ago

Contact management pitchers make me nervous. It seems to me that they make it work right up until they don’t, and you never know when that switch is going to flip. Gray gives me the same feeling that Matt Cain used to. Gray being a ground-ball pitcher makes him a safer play than prime Cain was, but I would still be uncomfortable about giving up a major package for him.

1for108
9 years ago

What will the Cubs get in return for their eventual trade of Wade Davis?

GrandpaboyMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  1for108

It’s always great to hear from the bitter Cardinals & White Sox fans out there…said no one, ever.