Sunday Notes: HoF Balloting, Managers, Pitchers Hitting, Spud, more

I was one of the large majority of BBWAA members who voted for transparency in Hall of Fame balloting. On the off chance you missed the news, all ballots must be made public beginning next year. I’m fully behind this decision, albeit with one concern.

More and more writers are making their ballots public well in advance of the January announcement, and they are being scrutinized ad infinitum on social media. While mostly a good thing, this could unduly influence a small yet meaningful percentage of voters.

Say you’re on the fence between two players for your tenth checkmark. You’re leaning one way, but your peers — not to mention the online community — are bullish in the other direction. Following the herd is a safer option than following your heart (and mind). No one likes to be lambasted for being a black sheep in the BBWAA brethren.

We’re already seeing this with increased support for the “steroid guys.” In many cases, these are hold-your-nose, when-in-Rome votes. That’s not to say Barry Bonds doesn’t belong in Cooperstown, but if you truly believe a black mark should mean no check mark, would integrity not demand you stick to your guns?

(Meanwhile, the idea of it now being OK to vote for PED users because Bud Selig supposedly condoned such behavior seems a bit absurd. The commissioner isn’t the official determiner of right and wrong in regard to the character clause. At least he shouldn’t be.)

I say this reluctantly — I’m a huge fan of Ryan Thibodaux’s Hall of Fame Tracker — but I wonder if it might be a good idea to not allow ballots to be made public prior to the official announcement. Voters will still have plenty to read and digest, they simply won’t be as susceptible to the herd mentality.

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On a related note — this is a positive — unanimous first-year enshrinements are inevitable. It is hard to imagine even the curmudgeons withholding support for no-brainer Hall of Famers when they first become eligible, simply because Willie Mays wasn’t unanimous. This has always been an absurdity, and not allowing voters to hide behind a cloak of anonymity should essentially erase the practice.

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Pete Mackanin is pragmatic. When it comes to pulling strings, the Phillies skipper doesn’t believe in trying to fit square pegs into round holes.

“Over the years, people have asked me, ‘What kind of manager are you?’ and my reply has always been that I manage the people I have,” Mackanin said at the winter meetings.” If I have power, the Earl Weaver wait for a three-run homer. If I have speed, Whitey Herzog with St. Louis where everybody could run like crazy. Handle the team the way it was best suited.”

That philosophy extends to the pitching side. Mackanin admired the way Terry Francona used his relievers in the postseason, but copycatting that approach requires a stable of able arms.

“The deeper you are in the bullpen, the easier it is,” explained Mackanin. “I remember back in ’90 when the Cincinnati Reds had Norm Charlton, Rob Dibble and Randy Myers — all three legit closers — so it was pick your poison. It’s easy to do when you’ve got the talent.”

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The Orioles stole just 19 bases in 2016, by far the fewest in either league. According to their manager, the lack of a running game wasn’t by design so much as it was a preponderance of tortoises and a lack of hares.

“You’ve got to understand who you are, and I understood who we weren’t,” said Showalter. “We’ve tried pushing it a little bit, trying to make it happen, and it just wasn’t there. It wasn’t in our skill set.”

Showalter went on to say that GM Dan Duquette has “talked a lot about” the issue, but he clearly hasn’t done much about it. With few exceptions, the O’s are slow.

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It didn’t come as a complete shock when Travis Wood homered off of San Francisco’s George Kontos in Game Two of the NLDS. The Cubs southpaw has gone deep nine times in 280 regular-season at bats over his career. He’s considered one of baseball’s best hitting pitchers.

Wood approaches his plate appearances with a purpose.

“You’re still a baseball player,” Wood told me in October. “You’re not going up there to make an out. I try to have a plan, and there are times I’ll make adjustments. Different pitchers are different. This pitcher likes to throw fastballs, this pitcher will throw the kitchen sink at you.”

Unlike some pitchers, Wood isn’t fed a steady diet of heaters due to offensive ineptitude. Because he can square up the horsehide, he’s respected by opposing hurlers.

“I think I have been (pitched to more carefully), especially when I was starting,” said Wood. “I felt like they didn’t challenge me as much, because I had a reputation for being able to hit. I think that’s the case with any pitcher — if you show you can handle the bat, they’re going to start thinking of you more as a hitter, and not as a pitcher.”

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Clay Buchholz will have to swing the bat now he’ll be doing his pitching for the Phillies. It will be a challenge for the former Red Sox righty, as he’s spent his entire career in the American League. He has just 15 professional plate appearances.

He doesn’t project to be a a lost cause. Buchholz is highly athletic, and he saw time as a shortstop and an outfielder in high school and junior college. Swinging from the left side, he more than held his own against amateur hurlers. Since getting paid to play, he has a pair of hits, a free pass, and a sacrifice.

When I asked Buchholz about it this summer, he said he doesn’t earn his money with the bat, so he doesn’t worry about it too much. Given how rare his PAs have been, he’s mostly gone to the plate and looked for a fastball he has a chance to handle.

That doesn’t mean he expects to be overmatched.

“As a pitcher, sometimes you can give a hitter too much credit,” mused Buchholz. “But you can give a pitcher too much credit, too. If he makes a mistake, I can still hit a baseball.”

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During the winter meetings, Tigers manager Brad Ausmus was asked about Carlos Beltran, who had just inked a one-year contract with the Astros. In 2004, the two were together in Houston — Ausmus the veteran catcher, Beltran the athletic 27-year-old centerfielder.

“He was possibly the most talented player I ever played with, just in terms of speed, power, arm strength,” opined Ausmus. “He was a five-tool guy.”

That has, of course, changed. Beltran turns 40 in April and is no longer a spring chicken. But he can still hit, which is what the Astros are banking on. As for what he once was, his former teammate’s words were high praise. Ausmus played 18 big-league seasons.

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Spud Chandler — born Spurgeon Ferdinand Chandler — went 109-43 for the Yankees from 1937-1947. His .717 winning percentage is tops among pitchers with at least 100 wins (post 1900), and his 132 ERA+ is tied for 30th-best all-time.

Chandler’s best year was 1943, when he was named AL MVP after going 20-4 with a league-best 1.64 ERA. He then had a pair of complete-game wins in the World Series, including a shutout in the Game 5 clincher against the Cardinals. Chandler subsequently missed most of the 1944 and 1945 seasons while serving in the Army.

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The 2016 incarnation of the Angels shifted a lot more than they had in previous seasons. I asked manager Mike Scioscia about that during the winter meetings — more specifically, how satisfied was he with the results, and does he foresee any tweaks. His answer focused on implementation vis-a-vis familiarity.

“There’s twofold to that,” said Scioscia. “The data we get that suggests shifting, we have the utmost confidence in. What we’re wrestling with now, in the last three, four years, is really the whole application of that — cutting off relays, how do we turn a double play, maybe tweaking some of the sets according to the situation.

“I have 100 percent confidence in the data we get and the suggestion of shifting. Now we’re trying to get players comfortable with, really, playing out of position from where they’ve played for their whole lives. Very rarely did you see a second baseman 30 feet on the outfield grass ten years ago. Very rarely did you try to turn a double play with one guy on the left side of the infield who has the responsibility of covering halfway between short and third, but also the responsibility of getting to the bag on a double play.

“We’ve done it for the last four years throughout our minor league system, so there’s less… I think it’s less culture shock when a young player comes to the major leagues. He’s familiar with the neighborhood of where we’re playing on shifts and what the responsibilities are.

“The biggest thing, starting probably six, seven years ago, when we started to look at more shifting and it was thrown onto the desks of managers and coaches, was have the task of figuring out, ‘OK, when the ball is hit, how are we covering bases, how are we setting up cutoff of relays?’ It’s great to sit down and put it on paper, but to get players used to this, that takes some work. It’s an ongoing process.”

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Earlier this month, we ran an interview with Derek Falvey and Thad Levine, the duo now in charge of running the Twins. Levine, who is the team’s new general manager, came to Minnesota from Texas, where he had been an assistant GM. I recently asked Rangers manager Jeff Banister for his thoughts on Falvey.

“It was fresh to come into that atmosphere,” said Banister, who coached in Pittsburgh before joining the Rangers in 2015. “First, he brought tremendous levity to our front office. He helped me with the culture and chemistry of our team.

“He’s a guy who continues to look at both sides — the analytic side, but also the human side of this game. He’s a well-balanced evaluator. It’s tough to lose a guy like that to another organization. I’m proud to have worked with him.”

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Terry Collins has pondered mortality. Asked about his future during the winter meetings, the sexagenarian skipper delved into a subject far more somber than managerial tenure.

“All of us standing here today, who knows if we’re going to be here next year?,” the Mets manager told reporters. “You don’t. At the end of the year, you sit down and analyze how you are — how you feel — especially when you are 67 years old. I (recently) had two friends pass away who I went to high school with. All of the sudden you’re looking in the mirror saying, ‘Holy cow.’”

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Harry Caray’s first broadcast partner was Gabby Street. The two called games for the St. Louis Cardinals from 1945-1950. Decades earlier, Street was Walter Johnson’s primary catcher with the Washington Senators. In 1908, Street famously caught a baseball dropped from the top of the Washington Monument.

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LINKS YOU’LL LIKE

When it comes to the Hall of Fame, few opinions are more respected than those of Jay Jaffe. The creator of JAWS broke down his virtual ballot at Sports Illustrated.

Did Curt Schilling tweet his way out of Cooperstown? ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick explored the question.

At Press Box Online, Rich Dubroff opined that it’s a question of when, not if, Mike Mussina gets into the Hall of Fame.

Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times wrote about Thyago Vieira: The 103-mph throwing Mariners relief prospect who learned how to locate.

At SABR’s Baseball Card Blog, Mark Armour explored the mystery of why “Houston,” and not “Astros,” was printed on Topps cards in 1968 and 1969.

RANDOM FACTS AND STATS

Hank Aaron went 17 for 88 as a pinch hitter, while Barry Bonds went 15 for 77, and Babe Ruth went 13 for 71. Fred Heimach, who pitched for four teams from 1920-1933, went 20 for 55 as a pinch hitter (per Retrosheet).

Per MLB.com’s Daren Willman, Gary Sanchez called an off-speed pitch on 48% of first pitches in 2016, the highest percentage of any non-knuckleball catcher. Also, Sanchez saw the second most first pitch off-speed pitches as a hitter, 47% (Sean Rodriguez had the most, 48%).

Cy Young walked 1,217 batters in 7,356 innings. Matt Young walked 565 batters in 1,189 innings.

In 1928, Taylor Douthit of the St. Louis Cardinals had 547 putouts, the most ever by an outfielder in one season. Philadelphia’s Richie Ashburn has the second-most, 538 in 1951. The Phillies Hall of Famer has six of the top 10 seasons for putouts by an outfielder in a season.

The New York Mets lost at least 109 games in each of their first four seasons. Past-their-prime players to suit up for the Mets from 1962-1965 include Richie Ashburn, Yogi Berra, Gil Hodges, Vinegar Bend Mizell, Jimmy Piersall, Duke Snider, and Warren Spahn.

Charlie Brown, Cupid Childs, Nig Cuppy, and Chief Sockalexis all played for the 1897 Cleveland Spiders.





David Laurila grew up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula and now writes about baseball from his home in Cambridge, Mass. He authored the Prospectus Q&A series at Baseball Prospectus from December 2006-May 2011 before being claimed off waivers by FanGraphs. He can be followed on Twitter @DavidLaurilaQA.

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Ukranian to Vietnamese to French is back
9 years ago

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It’s just wonderful?
can not
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Because I’m easy come Easy Go.
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Pull the trigger, now he’s dead
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But now I immediately threw him
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If you do not come back this time tomorrow
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The body is in constant pain
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I have to leave you all behind and face the truth
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tramps like us
9 years ago

I’m unaware of FG readers disrespecting you. Why do you disrespect us?

Fireball Fred
9 years ago

It’s good to start off the new year with a reminder that Matt Young was the worst (HOF-qualified) player in the history of baseball.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Fireball Fred

I assume you mean the pitcher who makes Jon Lester look good on throws to first. Hard to argue but I will always put Wily Mo Pena at the bottom of the list.

Kyle Sharamitaro
9 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

he’s not HOF eligible is he?

Mike NMN
9 years ago

I’m not a huge fan of the balloting being public. I think it creates pressure to conform and certainly to be a homer when a player is on the cusp. Baseball writers need access. We know that some have close relationships with certain people in the front office, certain agents, and certain players. Those relationships often continue when players or management move to new teams. They aren’t per se problematic. But when HOF votes are public you run the serious risk of angering people with your choices. So, the temptation is to take the safer road–to pick the popular home-town guy, regardless of his flaws, over someone more worthy. To me that’s a greater risk than not knowing who the handful of voters were who wouldn’t vote for a no-doubter because it was his first year of eligibility.

victorvran
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

You think front office people/players/agents are going to care enough about who a writer votes for that they will let that change the relationship with them?

Mike NMN
9 years ago
Reply to  victorvran

In certain circumstances, yes I do. Dissing a revered local icon, whether or not that player really is Hall-worthy, could make a difference–and not just with players and front office, but also in hiring opportunities (imagine NESN hiring someone who didn’t vote for Ortiz, or YES for someone not voting for Jeter). And don’t forget how important access is. Players and FO don’t have to be forthcoming with a particular writer if they are unhappy.

troybrunoMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

this is a silly, straw man argument. the notion that we have to treat accredited writers like kids to protect against groupthink or to maintain access to a clubhouse is inane.

also, I think you 100% discount the effect that early reveals (often coupled with articles discussing the players and the process) have on newsflow at a time when MLB needs content the most…

Mike NMN
9 years ago
Reply to  troybruno

If you want to make a business argument that more publicity is a good thing for baseball, I can see that as viable. But we have secret ballots for many things, including voting for public office. We already have a poster on here demanding that a writer’s press credentials be revoked because the writer didn’t vote for his guy.

fredsbankMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

The problem with private ballots was more that they would only use a few spots, despite having more worthy HOF players than could actually fill the ballot.

The Stranger
9 years ago

…”Holy cow.”
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Harry Caray…

Well played, sir.

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
9 years ago

Fine article, David, and an excellent start to the new year. (Chief Sockittome? Wasn’t he on Laugh-In?)
But Hall of Fame voters are being “scrutinized”? I wonder if in some cases “harrassed” or “intimidated” would be more accurate. In social studies class we were told that the right to a secret ballot is paramount in avoiding coercion of any kind — it’s disappointing that the pro-PED voting crowd felt it necessary to abolish the secret ballot and open the door to shaming/bullying, rather than simply make a more compelling case when publicly advocating Bonds and Clemens.

victorvran
9 years ago

Yeah, gotta make sure those voters have their “safe space”

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
9 years ago
Reply to  victorvran

Nothing of the kind. “Safe spaces” at their worst undermine freedom of speech.
I’m advocating that voters USE their freedom of speech to make their case either for or against known illegal PED users like Bonds, Clemens, et. al..
If your side is losing an argument, then make a more persuasive case — rather than ridiculing, censuring those who hold to an opposing view. That’s civility, and a better democracy.

LHPSU
9 years ago

No wonder the Cleveland Spiders sucked.

vbjd1111Member since 2019
9 years ago

I don’t agree with the idea that ballots should be kept confidential to prevent “pressure” on the voters, or that the voters should have some right to avoid scrutiny. Let’s not forget — every single one of the voters is a baseball writer, a person who examines and re-examines, in writing and in public, every aspect of the game. They make their living putting people under scrutiny for their decisions and their performance, and they should live by the standards they set for others.

For the same reason, I can’t imagine the voters WANTING to have all their votes released at the same time. They each get to write an article about their own vote and release that article for maximum advantage now. It’s the only time many of them get national coverage. Why would they give that up?

Anthony CalamisMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  vbjd1111

They’re not giving this up. Nothing about all the ballot being made public starting next year says that voters can’t still release their ballots early and publish a column about their choices if they decide to. The Ballot Tracking will likely continue next year. Ryan’s actually happy with this from what I can tell. He’ll have 100% of the ballots to analyze going forward.

rosen380
9 years ago
Reply to  vbjd1111

“Let’s not forget — every single one of the voters is a baseball writer, a person who examines and re-examines, in writing and in public, every aspect of the game.”

I was under the impression that there were a fair number of BBWAA members with voting rights who are no longer actively writing or who primarily cover other sports.

JimmieFoXX
9 years ago

“It’s easier to vote no on Schilling for non-baseball reasons if that decision isn’t subject to public scrutiny. Voters who say no to Schilling in the years to come will no longer have that luxury.”

I’m looking forward to this. I never heard of Wallace Matthews until I followed the link here to the Crasnick article. This guy has an extremely high opinion of himself to strike out at a former baseball player over something like this.

Chris De Luca, Chicago Sun-Times: “He was a great pitcher, but just not quite a Hall of Famer, in my mind.”

This is not a legitimate opinion. Chris De Luca is another guy who I’ve never heard of, but now I will recognize his name as someone who should be terminated for incompetence.

Curt Schilling should have gone in on the first ballot and it should have been one of the most emphatic votes of its kind.

We live in interesting times and becoming more interesting with each passing week.

London Yank
9 years ago
Reply to  JimmieFoXX

To be fair, Schilling sent out a tweet supporting the lynching of journalists. Wallace Matthews is a journalist. Does he really need such a high opinion of himself to be offended by that sentiment?

Mike NMN
9 years ago
Reply to  JimmieFoXX

I don’t see Schilling as “one of the most emphatic first ballot votes of its kind.” Schilling is about the same level as Mussina in career output, and that’s who his votes are tracking over the last few years. Mussina has a slight edge in WAR, and of course Schilling has the excellence in the post season. I can make a good case both belong in, but there is no case for putting either one in and omitting the other. As for Schilling’s mouth…I don’t agree with a thing he says…but it’s irrelevant to his case.

Anthony CalamisMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

Uh, Mussina also should have been in first-ballot, emphatically, IMO. Both Schilling and Mussina track well with Smoltz and Glavine, each of whom went in first-ballot, with I think 83% and 91%, respectively, which is well above the 75% line.

JimmieFoXX
9 years ago

Schilling is better by a good margin than Mussina and Smoltz. I would choose Schilling over Glavine without reservation.

Smoltz is one to key on here, as most – if not all – arguing that Schilling is not a HOF pitcher on merit voted for Smoltz.

This is demonstrated incompetence. I’ve never thought much of Pedro Gomez at ESPN. Now I would – if I had the authority – revoke his press credentials and have security escort him outside the ballpark. He would of course be free to buy a ticket like anyone else and reenter. If ESPN wants to hire people this incompetent to write and speak on-air about MLB that reflects on them. Many fans of MLB hold and express laughable opinions about players and the game itself. That’s fine. It is not acceptable for a so-called professional writer on MLB to hold such egregious opinions on a player’s ability.

Anthony CalamisMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  JimmieFoXX

Why is Schilling so obviously better than Mussina?

Mussina: 3562.2 IP, .638 W-L%, 3.68 ERA, 123 ERA+, 1.192 WHIP, 2813 K, 785 BB, 82.7 bWAR, 82.2 fWAR, 82.8 RA9-WAR

Schilling: 3261 IP, .597 W-L%, 3.46 ERA, 127 ERA+, 1.137 WHIP, 3116 K, 711 BB, 80.7 bWAR, 79.8 fWAR, 81 RA9-WAR

I don’t see much separation here. Mussina had a longer prime and lower peak, but Schilling *did* have a short prime. Schilling and Mussina both had 9 more or less full seasons with an ERA+ of at least 130 – Schilling had three additional seasons with an ERA+ ranging from 118 to 124 that were full-ish, and then a bunch of full or partial seasons with at best average run prevention. Mussina had an additional two years > 125 in ERA+ and an additional good season beyond that and four more or less full season, average years after /that/. Mussina then had a very mediocre, 1 bWAR 2007 season. That’s one of just two Mussina seasons he didn’t cross the 2-win threshold (bWAR), whereas Schilling had six such seasons. Schilling had eleven 4 bWAR seasons (8 @ 5.5+) while Mussina had twelve 4 bWAR seasons (7 @ 5.4+, 3 more between 5.0 and 5.2).

Mussina and Schilling are near clones of one another. Mussina threw 140 IP with a 3.42 ERA, 1.103 WHIP & 145/33 K/BB ratio in the playoffs. Schilling threw 133 IP with a 2.23 ERA, 0.968 WHIP & 120/25 K/BB ratio in the playoffs. Schilling was obviously better but Mussina stepped up his game as well (lowering his ERA by .026, improving his K/BB ratio and WHIP).

Both should be obvious Hall of Famers and I think both will eventually make it. Their era should yield, in the end, 9 HoF starting pitchers (Randy, Pedro, Roger, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling, Mussina and via a vet committee, Kevin Brown down the road).

Mike NMN
9 years ago

Well researched and well presented.

JimmieFoXX
9 years ago

“Mussina and Schilling are near clones of one another”

Postseason:

Mussina
139.2 Innings Pitched
3.42 ERA
1.103 WHIP

Schilling
133.1 Innings Pitched
2.23 ERA
0.968 WHIP

Mike NMN
9 years ago
Reply to  JimmieFoXX

Differences of opinion are not demonstrated incompetence. And revoking someone’s press credentials as punishment for failing to support a favored, home-town candidate is among the best reasons for a secret ballot.

JimmieFoXX
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

“Differences of opinion are not demonstrated incompetence.”

Miguel Cabrera defeats Mike Trout for MVP

Expressing their “opinion” a large group of professional MLB writers opposing Trout make an argument around the idea that:

“It’s not about WAR or some other new stat, it’s just for me, well, sure Trout made some flashy catches and he stole a lot of bases, but for me he just isn’t an MVP type of player.”

Now read those comments in the Crasnick article from the writers opposing Schilling on merit.

Mike NMN
9 years ago
Reply to  JimmieFoXX

Hey, if you want to go on WAR, then Mussina, first. Then Schilling. How’s them incompetence apples for you? And Big Papi will need a a special pass to get anywhere near that door. He’s behind Chet Lemon…..

Anthony CalamisMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  JimmieFoXX

Schilling not being Hall of Fame-caliber is not an opinion which deserves termination for incompetence. Schilling had a HoF worthy career in my opinion, but there are plenty of reasons to not like Curt for the Hall.

Chris De Luca seems also like the type of voter who could be convinced on Schilling. After all, he got convinced on Edgar Martinez and Jeff Bagwell this year.

JimmieFoXX
9 years ago

I did not even suggest that these people in the article:
Wallace Matthews
Chris De Luca
Pedro Gomez
Roch Kubatko, MASN Sports
Hal McCoy, Dayton Daily News
David Ammenheuser, Nashville Tennessean
Dick Scanlon, Lakeland (Fla.) Ledger

…..hold an opinion on Schilling’s career that I don’t agree with. I thought I was clear that what they say is incompetence, not an opinion.

The standards for the general public and the standards for professionals are vastly different. If someone in a comment section tells you that a tumor diagnosis should be treated by you at home by drinking green tea and eating broccoli everyday, that is their opinion. If someone goes to see a doctor who is accredited for treating this specific affliction whereby his colleagues would all recommend some type of surgical or pharmaceutical intervention and all agree that the treatment success rate is very high and this doctor instead convinces that unfortunate person to go home and drink green tea and eat broccoli and they are dead a year later that is not that doctor’s opinion, that is medical malpractice.

LHPSU
9 years ago
Reply to  JimmieFoXX

Just to be clear, we are also not suggesting that you hold an opinion that we don’t agree with.

tramps like us
9 years ago

At the inception of the HOF, writers were given the vote exclusively because they were the experts of the era. Since then, we’ve added technology like radio broadcasts, TV, internet…..and yet the purveyors of these mediums are not able to vote. Shouldn’t Vin Scully have a vote, based on the thousands of games he’s seen? The base needs to be expanded to reflect changes in technology.

JimmieFoXX
9 years ago
Reply to  tramps like us

If the group of voters is unwilling to police themselves for clear incompetence then the general public should vote on the entrants.

Shirtless George Brett
9 years ago
Reply to  JimmieFoXX

If you honestly think the general public would be better than the BBWAA you are flat out insane.

Adam SMember since 2016
9 years ago

Given the number of public ballots that are non-conformism (to be polite) or bat-shit illogical to be fair, I don’t see that forcing ballots to be public is going to get people to conform.

BBWAA already releases all the ballots for the annual awards. I think the transparency is likely to improve the process. Those that make ludicrous choices and can’t defend them can either
1) face ridicule, or as one comment pointed out, harassment
2) get a better understand of “Hall of Fame standards” and conform
3) Give up their ballots

If “you” look at the ballot and think there are only 4 or 5 Hall of Famers and DON’T understand that you’re advocating for a very small Hall of Fame AND a significant shift from the past 70 years, you aren’t qualified to vote.

WARrior
9 years ago

“more unanimous first-year enshrinements are inevitable.”

More? I wasn’t aware that there have been any yet.

Kyle Sharamitaro
9 years ago

Hey David! (i hope you see this)

Monday, in his weekly chat, I asked Derrick Goold, who (for anyone that doesnt know) had been the president of the Baseball Writers Association for the last year, about your issue with the public ballots… Here is his response.

“That fix and that approach has been discussed. If David had asked me about the proposal I would have told him that. The BBWAA and the Hall are working through the mechanics of making all the ballots public. That was one of the reasons — not the main reason, but a reason — for giving us a year to work on that so that it’s ready for 2018.”

Seems like your wish, or something along that line of thinking, will be in effect.

Long live the digital age we live in, where a writer like you can publish something that provokes my thoughts, then I can go ask the former President of the BBWAA about it, he responses… and VOILA! I have an answer that is exponentially more valuable than any thought I may have myself, given that I have no access to any of the real ins and outs.

Thanks for the good work David!

Kyle Sharamitaro
9 years ago
Reply to  David Laurila

Yes, the ballots being public is an essential, if not logical, next step in the evolution of the HOF vote.