Szymborski’s 2021 Bust Candidates: Hitters

Last week, we looked at my favorite breakout candidates for the 2021 season. Today, we shift to the players I’m more bearish about, and I’m not talking about pilfering picnic baskets. Whether it’s players who I don’t believe will match their 2020 performance, meet their 2021 projections, or who have some aspect of their game that worries me, each of these eight hitters is one who I would place firmly in the “sell” column. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they’ll be awful or bad, but it does mean I don’t think the best is yet to come.

José Abreu, Chicago White Sox

Busts are a relative notion, and a player can make this list and still be a contributor. Abreu was terrific in 2020 and is one of the few players in baseball you could inarguably call a leader, but the fact remains that it was by far his best performance in years. Sure, he pasted the ball to the tune of the 10th-highest average exit velocity in the league, but he destroyed baseballs in 2018 and ’19 as well and was far less valuable in those full seasons. Abreu’s far more likely to be an average player than he is to contend for the MVP again, and when you have a guy whose WAR projection for an entire season comes in under his 60-game WAR from last year’s short season, who you have to admit he has some bust potential. That’s doubly true when he’s in his mid-30s; sluggers aging like Nelson Cruz are the exception, not the rule.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – José Abreu
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .295 .351 .580 562 85 166 40 3 38 134 40 116 3 148 4.2
80% .287 .339 .536 565 81 162 38 2 33 127 37 123 2 134 3.2
70% .283 .334 .518 566 80 160 36 2 31 121 36 128 2 128 2.7
60% .278 .328 .505 568 78 158 35 2 30 118 34 132 1 123 2.3
50% .276 .326 .491 568 76 157 34 2 28 114 34 136 1 119 2.0
40% .274 .323 .478 569 75 156 33 1 27 112 33 141 1 115 1.7
30% .272 .320 .463 570 74 155 32 1 25 108 32 146 1 110 1.4
20% .270 .317 .454 571 73 154 31 1 24 105 31 152 1 107 1.1
10% .265 .310 .429 573 70 152 29 1 21 102 29 160 0 99 0.6

Jackie Bradley Jr., Milwaukee Brewers

The popular conception of JBJ is that he had something of a comeback season in 2020, and that’s true on the surface, as his wRC+ of 120 was 30 points above anything he’s done in recent years. The only problem with that part of the tale is that in this case, his .343 BABIP, 45 points above his career average, was the driver of his flashy line. Remove that and his season looked a lot like 2019, when one of the questions entering the offseason was whether the Red Sox would even tender him a contract for 2020. From the specific hit data, ZiPS thinks that he played like a player with a .306 BABIP rather than one in the .340s. He’s still a solid defensive player, but his speed numbers are starting to slip, which tends to be a leading indicator of defensive decline for an outfielder. The relatively small outfield in Milwaukee isn’t the best park to take advantage of JBJ’s talents; his defensive performance would have been more welcome in places like San Francisco or Kansas City. All that said, I should note that ZiPS disagrees with me on this one.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Jackie Bradley Jr.
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .243 .336 .476 456 72 111 25 3 25 63 56 118 16 111 2.9
80% .240 .328 .444 459 70 110 24 2 22 59 53 125 13 102 2.3
70% .239 .324 .427 461 69 110 23 2 20 57 51 131 11 97 1.9
60% .236 .321 .422 462 68 109 22 2 20 55 50 134 11 94 1.8
50% .233 .317 .413 463 67 108 22 2 19 54 49 138 10 91 1.5
40% .232 .313 .402 465 66 108 21 2 18 53 47 143 10 87 1.4
30% .230 .309 .393 466 66 107 21 2 17 52 46 147 9 84 1.1
20% .229 .305 .378 468 65 107 20 1 16 50 44 154 8 80 0.8
10% .227 .300 .357 471 63 107 20 1 13 48 41 163 6 73 0.4

Justin Upton, Los Angeles Angels

It’s looking like the Angels are finally going take some at-bats away from Albert Pujols, approximately six years later than his performance warranted. That leaves Justin Upton as the team’s biggest long-term problem in the lineup. Two homers on Tuesday will no doubt fuel the “Upton is Back!” whispers, especially when combined with his solid run at the end of 2020, but he also hit .134 the last two seasons against anything that wasn’t thrown hard, and with mediocre plate discipline, he’s a hitter who pitchers can pitch around when he’s hot and exploit when he’s not. Upton had a lower barrel percentage in 2020 than players like Lewis Brinson. In the field, he has about the same range as an electric car hooked up to a potato battery.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Justin Upton
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .237 .325 .491 405 64 96 19 0 28 87 48 122 8 119 1.5
80% .231 .317 .467 407 62 94 18 0 26 82 46 130 5 110 1.1
70% .225 .310 .453 408 61 92 18 0 25 79 45 133 5 105 0.8
60% .225 .308 .443 409 60 92 17 0 24 77 44 136 5 102 0.6
50% .222 .304 .432 410 59 91 17 0 23 75 43 139 4 98 0.4
40% .219 .300 .421 411 58 90 17 0 22 74 42 141 4 94 0.2
30% .218 .297 .410 412 58 90 16 0 21 72 41 145 4 91 0.0
20% .215 .293 .407 413 57 89 16 0 21 71 40 149 4 88 -0.1
10% .213 .289 .394 414 57 88 15 0 20 69 39 158 3 84 -0.3

Kyle Lewis, Seattle Mariners

Kyle Lewis had an excellent rookie season, but based on his statistics, there are still reasons to be concerned about his future. He’s a wild swinger, with his 64.9% contact rate in the bottom 10 over 2019 and ’20. Just to put that number in context, it’s a worse contact rate than the one pitchers put up as batters in 2019 (65.3%). He dropped to a .545 OPS over the second half of 2020, and as his willingness to swing at bad pitches went up, his contact rate fell further, along with his wOBA:

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There have been plenty of solid players who made poor contact, but he’s a below-average player in terms of power, and while Luis Robert, Lewis’ main competition for AL Rookie of the Year, has his own contact issues, he’s at least shown signs of being an elite defensive talent.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Kyle Lewis
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .247 .327 .439 485 67 120 21 0 24 70 57 150 10 110 2.0
80% .244 .319 .420 488 66 119 20 0 22 66 54 160 7 103 1.6
70% .241 .316 .411 489 65 118 20 0 21 64 53 165 7 100 1.4
60% .239 .312 .400 490 64 117 19 0 20 63 52 171 6 96 1.1
50% .238 .310 .393 491 64 117 19 0 19 62 51 175 6 94 1.0
40% .235 .305 .387 493 63 116 18 0 19 61 49 179 6 91 0.8
30% .234 .301 .380 495 62 116 18 0 18 59 47 185 5 88 0.5
20% .234 .299 .365 496 61 116 17 0 16 57 46 191 5 83 0.2
10% .230 .292 .355 499 59 115 17 0 15 55 43 203 4 79 -0.1

Charlie Blackmon, Colorado Rockies

Everyone at Coors has a higher slugging percentage than you’d expect from their Statcast data and Blackmon’s no exception, with a .462 xSLG since 2015 compared to his actual .530 slugging percentage. Blackmon’s always had rather unimpressive velocity data for someone who has hit around 30 homers a year, but in 2020, those numbers fell into the basement, and he finished in or near the bottom quintile for every velocity stat you can think of. Before I’d even looked at his 2020 home/road stats, I theorized that even Coors couldn’t save him now, and sure enough, he barely had any split in 2020. Now that last bit is in a tiny sample, but I think at this point, Blackmon’s done as a legitimate major league starter and that 2020 was no blip.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Charlie Blackmon
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .310 .378 .584 536 100 166 35 8 32 93 55 93 8 135 3.1
80% .304 .368 .544 540 97 164 32 7 28 86 51 99 7 123 2.3
70% .297 .360 .513 542 95 161 30 6 25 81 49 105 6 114 1.7
60% .294 .355 .496 544 93 160 29 6 23 78 47 109 6 109 1.3
50% .292 .352 .488 545 93 159 29 6 22 76 46 112 5 106 1.1
40% .289 .348 .469 546 91 158 28 5 20 74 45 117 4 101 0.8
30% .287 .345 .459 547 90 157 27 5 19 73 44 123 4 98 0.5
20% .284 .340 .454 549 89 156 26 5 19 70 42 128 3 95 0.4
10% .280 .335 .433 550 88 154 25 4 17 69 41 137 2 89 -0.1

Robbie Grossman, Detroit Tigers

Grossman usually gets on-base a good amount, which I don’t expect to change in 2021. However, I do think that the new-found power that propelled him to a .482 slugging percentage is a stone-cold fluke and will return to more typical levels; ZiPS saw his 2020 SLG as a 90 point over-performance, while Statcast was at 85 points. It doesn’t seem that many in baseball disagreed with this notion, as he only landed a two-year, $10 million contract, a perfectly reasonable deal in-line with the player he was before 2020. Still, when his decline is coming from his career-best WAR, put up in less than half a season, it’s hard not to put him in the bust category.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Robbie Grossman
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .261 .365 .467 394 59 103 27 3 16 55 62 73 13 121 2.1
80% .260 .361 .439 396 58 103 26 3 13 50 60 79 11 114 1.6
70% .256 .352 .424 399 57 102 25 3 12 49 57 82 10 107 1.3
60% .253 .348 .413 400 56 101 25 3 11 48 56 84 9 103 1.0
50% .249 .343 .406 401 56 100 24 3 11 47 55 87 9 101 0.9
40% .249 .341 .391 402 55 100 23 2 10 46 54 91 8 96 0.7
30% .248 .339 .390 403 55 100 23 2 10 45 53 93 8 95 0.6
20% .247 .335 .378 405 55 100 22 2 9 45 51 98 7 91 0.3
10% .245 .328 .365 408 54 100 21 2 8 44 48 108 5 86 0.1

Josh Bell, Washington Nationals

When Josh Bell was acquired by the Nationals this offseason, I was shocked by how many in mainstream media heralded his arrival as a big bat being added to the Nats’ lineup. It’s hard to ignore the fact that Bell’s run as a feared slugger essentially consists of two amazing months in 2019 and little else. He only has a single one-win season in the majors, and no, he wasn’t on pace to eclipse that mark in the 2016 or ’20 season-fragments. He’s likely better than the .226/.305/.364 line from last year, something he’s attributed to the lack of video access and training time going into the season, but I think he’s an average offensive first baseman who can’t really field the position, not the team’s savior.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Josh Bell
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .276 .369 .551 497 81 137 30 4 33 117 74 107 1 135 3.3
80% .267 .357 .515 501 80 134 28 3 30 109 70 116 1 123 2.5
70% .264 .352 .503 503 78 133 27 3 29 107 68 121 1 119 2.3
60% .263 .348 .493 505 77 133 26 3 28 104 66 127 1 116 2.0
50% .260 .343 .481 507 76 132 25 3 27 102 64 131 1 112 1.7
40% .259 .340 .464 509 76 132 25 2 25 100 62 136 0 107 1.4
30% .257 .336 .459 510 75 131 24 2 25 98 61 141 0 104 1.2
20% .256 .333 .443 512 74 131 23 2 23 94 59 147 0 100 0.9
10% .254 .328 .435 515 73 131 23 2 22 92 56 154 0 96 0.6

Joey Votto, Cincinnati Reds

Everybody seems to expect Votto to have one last comeback in him, but at this point, I’m not so sure. His extremely disciplined approach at the plate has kept him coming back after some pretty horrid slumps in the past, including one last season that saw him briefly benched before roaring back to a .258/.385/.557 triple-slash after returning. But the fact remains that he turns 38 before the season ends, and both his contact rate and the spread between his in-zone and out-of-zone swing percentage have declined since his 2015-’17 second peak. He’ll retire much-beloved in Cincinnati in a few years and has a legit Hall of Fame argument, but I think Votto will continue to fade in 2021 and beyond.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Joey Votto
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .254 .374 .444 426 65 108 25 1 18 51 81 84 6 114 2.0
80% .248 .362 .420 431 65 107 23 0 17 48 76 91 4 105 1.4
70% .247 .356 .401 434 64 107 22 0 15 47 73 96 4 99 1.0
60% .244 .352 .395 435 63 106 21 0 15 46 72 99 4 96 0.9
50% .240 .346 .384 437 62 105 21 0 14 45 70 103 2 92 0.6
40% .240 .344 .381 438 62 105 20 0 14 44 69 106 2 91 0.5
30% .237 .341 .369 439 61 104 19 0 13 43 68 109 2 87 0.2
20% .234 .335 .365 441 60 103 19 0 13 43 66 114 2 84 0.1
10% .233 .333 .355 442 60 103 18 0 12 42 65 122 2 81 -0.1





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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BenZobrist4MVP
5 years ago

Has ZiPS ever projected the reigning MVP for under 2 WAR the next season?

Left of Centerfield
5 years ago
Reply to  BenZobrist4MVP

It’s happened at least once in real life, without an injury. George Bell followed up his 1987 MVP season with a 0.8 WAR season.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

This could be an article all by itself.

Left of Centerfield
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Jeff Burroughs is another one. 0.4 WAR the year after. Someone like Stargell (mentioned below) is easy to understand given his age (1.0 WAR the year after). But Bell and Burroughs were both well under 30 years old. Course neither would win an MVP nowadays based on the seasons they had.

CC AFCMember since 2016
5 years ago

Also someone named Jim Konstanty won in 1950 and then was basically useless the following year and for the remainder of his career. Looks like that was a total fluke year for him as he wasn’t good before or after (or arguably even the year he won it, where his fWAR and bWAR diverged significantly). But that’s pushing well into the era when people didn’t understand baseball like we did now, of course. It probably happened a bunch more if I went way far back, but I don’t feel like it.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

16-7 with 22 saves in 152 ip with 3.3 K per 9? That could be an article in and of itself.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Know what your talking about before making a fool of yourself. If
teams understand baseball that much better now then they wouldn’t still be trying to find any way whatsoever to keep pitchers arms from falling off, but they cant. Jim Konstanty’s 1950 season was an outstanding feat in which he carried the Whiz Kids to their only pennant between 1915 and 1980. 74 games and 152 innings is not quite Mike Marshallesque but is pretty impressive. He appeared in both ends of a double-header no less than 6 times. In late August he entered a game in the 7th and threw 9 then came back 2 days later for 3 more , then 3 more the next day! He was THE story of the season. He also started Game 1 of the WS, after not starting a single game all season, and lost 1-0. He went 8 and fanned zero. There is a stark similarity between Konstanty’s 1950 and Keith Foulke’s 2004. Foulke left it all on the field for the Red Sox in the post-season, appearing in all but 3 of the games, and never being much after that. You are being a little tough on a decent pitcher. He did appear in games over 11 years and had a 3.46 lifetime ERA along with 11 WAR.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Konstanty’s season, while a solid one and impressive, was certainly…fluky. He wasn’t nearly as good before or after 1950, and maybe that is because of the workload. Who knows, 70 years later.
Despite his feats of endurance, I think Roberts was a far more worthy selection for MVP. And I’d say that with guys like Roberts, Ennis, Seminick, Ashburn, Jones, etc., he had plenty of help in Philly winning the flag. So I’ll see your Jim Konstanty and raise you a Wilcy Moore.

montrealMember since 2022
5 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

First off, teams absolutely understand the game more now. I’m an old time guy but let’s be real. I do think pitchers are babied too much but the reason for all the arm injuries is they throw so much harder. Different era.

Nasty Nate
5 years ago
Reply to  BenZobrist4MVP

ZiPS with a time machine might (accurately) project less than 2 WAR for Stargell or Eck.

Left of Centerfield
5 years ago
Reply to  Nasty Nate

Speaking of 1979 MVPs, Don Baylor followed up his with -1.0 WAR in 1980. Yep, negative WAR the year after winning the MVP. He did miss 72 games that year but not sure that’s much of an excuse.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

When you’re putting up negative value, missing time is absolutely not an excuse!

Jason BMember since 2017
5 years ago

If he had been healthy those 72 games, he may have reached…well, -2.0 WAR!

AnonMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  BenZobrist4MVP

People seem to be missing the part about a “projection” under 2 WAR. Excluding relief pitchers (I suspect their projections were all under 2 WAR), it’s probably not many. Just eyeballing the list I could see projections under 2 WAR for the following:

Justin Morneau- next season: 2.2 WAR – I could see this one. He had done squat the year before nor in the 2 short seasons before that. He is a 1B so he has a bad positional adjustment. OTOH he was only 25 when he won so his projection would probably still have him improving at that point

Ryan Howard?- next season: 3.1 WAR – probably not but again, 1B with a poor glove and a brutal positional adjustment

Juan Gonzalez- next season: 2.2 and 3.6 WAR (won 2 MVPs) – gave so much back with no BB and poor defense, but I don’t know. He won both of those in the prime of his career and even with the mediocre OBP and cruddy defense, he was probably still projected over 2 WAR (I note he had 2.2 and 3.6 in the 2 years after he won)

Terry Pendleton- next season: 5.1 WAR – at first glance I would have said no way, but I had forgotten that he really was not much of a hitter before his MVP season (83 wRC+ to that point in his career and not that it matters to a projection for 1992 but after a good season with the bat in 1992, he wasn’t much of a hitter after 1992 either). He gained a lot with his excellent glove so I’m guessing he is over 2 WAR

Willie McGee – – next season: 1.3 WAR – I’m guessing the projection would have had him over 2 given he had gone 2.1 and 3.6 in the 2 years before his MVP and 7.1 in his MVP season in 1985. Worth noting though that he didn’t top 2.0 WAR again until 1990 and only twice more in his career which lasted until 1999. Funny how you remember guys – I would have said he was a pretty good ballplayer but he totaled 27.6 WAR in an 18 year career of 8,188 PA.

Don Baylor – next season: -1.0 WAR – another guy I would have said was pretty good but like McGee, he had 29.4 WAR in an 18 year career of 9,401 PA. He was one of the 1st guys to really become a full-time DH so he was getting hit pretty hard with the positional adjustment. The year he won his MVP in 1979 was the last year he played more than half his games in the field but ZiPS wouldn’t know that so it probably wouldn’t hit him as hard with the positional adjustment.

Willie Stargell – next season: 1.0 WAR – no question he would have been projected under 2 WAR but this one is a special case given that was his age 39 season and he only totaled 2.7 WAR the year he actually won (interesting note – Stargell didn’t qualify for the batting title that year with only 480 PA. IN fact he hadn’t since 1975. Has any player ever won the MVP despite not qualifying for the batting title?)

Jeff Burroughs – next season: 0.4 WAR – he was only 23 when he won in 1974. He gave back so, so, so much with the glove but he had been an excellent hitter the year before as well. I’m guessing he’s over 2 WAR given his age and 2 very good years with the bat.

Steve Garvey – next season: 4.8 WAR – also 1974 but he was 25. Low BB%, very mediocre power, brutal positional adjustment. That said, I’m guessing he is over 2 based on his age and his progression (wRC+ had improved 5 straight years)

Zoilo Versailles – next season: 1.7 WAR – MVP was in 1965, age 25. Actually the 1st name I thought of when I started this so I’ll end it here since I’ve spent way too much time on this. He had been pretty meh with the bat for 4 years before his MVP season but had shown improvement. I suspect the projections for the bat weren’t all that great but his good glove and the favorable positional adjustment keeps him over 2

Left of Centerfield
5 years ago
Reply to  Anon

I don’t think anyone’s missing anything. I just pivoted to a slightly different question since we don’t know the answer to the actual question.

Anyway, I think for this to happen, you basically need to have an older player who didn’t have a lot of WAR the season that he won the MVP. Stargell is the only one that I think clearly meets that criteria.

Going way back, I see three other possibilities.

Hank Sauer won the 1952 WAR with 5.5 WAR in his age 35 season. But his WAR the two years prior to that was only 2.4 and 2.5. Combined with his age, it’s possible he would have been projected for under 2.0 WAR though that’s a pretty big falloff from 5.5.

Bob O’Farrell won the 1926 MVP with 3,6 WAR. He was only 29 so age wasn’t a huge issue but he had only 0.8 and 1.1 WAR the two years before his MVP.

Roger Peckinpaugh won the 1925 MVP at age 34 with only 2,4 WAR. But he has 4.3 WAR the year before his MVP so that might have been enough to keep his projection above 2.0 WAR.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

Alternately, it could be someone who won the MVP and who didn’t have a particularly strong MVP year or a strong recent track record before that. In 1996, Juan Gonzalez won the MVP award with a whopping 3.5 fWAR. His prior two seasons together added up to 2.2 fWAR. So you could totally see ZiPs projecting him to return to his sub-2-win ways.

You could also go with the time Dennis Eckersley won the MVP as a reliever. Eckersley was actually very good but he absolutely torched the league. But predicting any reliever to get more than 2 wins is tough because of the number of innings. Rollie Fingers is another one.

Don Baylor actually could fit both sides of it. Baylor won an MVP in 1979 with only 3.6 wins without a particularly stellar career before it, and then was actually below replacement in 1980.

Left of Centerfield
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah, I think you’re right about Baylor likely being projected for under 2.0 WAR.

As for Juan Gone, I think you overlooked the fact that the two prior seasons were impacted by the 94/95 strike. Which is one of the reasons that his WAR was so low those two seasons. Plus, if you go back to 93, he had a 5.7 WAR season. And he was still well under age 30. Put that all together and it’s highly unlikely that he would be projected for under 2.0 WAR.

I intentionally haven’t mentioned any relievers since them winning an MVP is basically a complete fluke. And they generally don’t have a lot of WAR to begin with. But if we’re going to include them then Willie Hernandez is the other obvious candidate.

Anyway, what I find interesting is that an MVP having less than 2.0 WAR clearly happens more often than what ZIPS would have projected. I suppose that’s similar to the team wins, where (for example) teams are rarely projected for more than 95 wins. But in the real world it happens all the time.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Voters were enamored with RBI for many years. And so many of the guys who put up those numbers were big lumbering sluggers who played left or first because they sucked defensively. So many questionable choices for MVP fit into that category. Even for a HOF player like Stargell, who absolutely could have won an MVP earlier in his career, his one MVP win was kind of like this.

mikejuntMember
5 years ago
Reply to  Anon

TBH re: Willie McGee, 25-30 career WAR is entirely a pretty good ballplayer. I mean it’s not a HOFer or close, but it’s absolutely the career of a guy who was good for a lot of years which is why he was able to hang around for so many even in his decline.

AnonMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

That’s fair and I didn’t mean to imply he was bad. You can certainly find plenty of guys with similar PA and WAR totals (or worse – Bill BUckner had 18.8 WAR in 10,037 PA). But it’s hard to call a guy who averaged 1.5 WAR per year pretty good. That’s a lot of average to above average in the middle surrounded by early and decline years. He had 11 seasons of 500+ PA and scored 100 R once and only cleared 76 R one other time. Somehow he drove in 105 R one year (with a 94 wRC+ which I’m guessing may be one of the worst 100 RBI seasons ever) but never cleared 82 in any other season and more than 50 only 4 times in his career. He batted .295 for his career (which is 99% the reason he got so much playing time) but barely walked and hit for no power and his glove was nothing special by statistical assessments (though he did win 3 GG). He topped a 104 wRC+ only 3 times and finished with a career 101 and had more than 2 WAR in only 5 of his 18 seasons.

I would say it’s more a subjective thing – he was a 4-time AS and 3 time GG winner in addition to the MVP. Before I looked at his FG page I would have said he would have a much higher WAR total than that (& maybe that’s the way I should have phrased it).

isntthisrichMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Joe Carter had 100+ rbi seasons with OPS+ of 85, 95, and 77, and he didn’t provide the base running or defensive value of McGee, so I don’t think McGee’s season can compete for worst 100 rbi season. Probably a number of other one dimensional sluggers had similar seasons of 100 rbi with poor OBP and little additional value, but Carter, who was known for “always” putting up 100 rbi seasons was the first one I checked.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  isntthisrich

Talking about the those guys always makes me wonder a little bit. A lot of these guys were just doing what they were taught, what they thought was good. We know now that there was other ways of doing it, but we do not necessarily know that Joe Carter for example couldn’t of walked more had he known it was “good to walk”. People forget that at that time they were told to be knocking guys in and not walking. Walking was literally frowned upon from middle of the order hitters.

AnonMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

A thought I’ve had many times. Joe Carter is one example but I remember thinking this when there was all the debate over Jim Rice’s MVP election and I agree with what you said: how do we know guys like Carter or Rice wouldn’t have adjusted their games for the modern game?

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Personally I would say 1.5 WAR per year is a good player if it is done over that many years. Maybe it isn’t the 2 war threshold for being worth a roster spot, but the fact that you are able to maintain it over that many years is a talent by itself. Not many people can do that. And while some years he might not of been worth a roster spot, the fact that he kept doing it for all those years while other players come and go to me is impressive. Not sure I worded it correctly, but mainly players pop up from time to time and are better, but they aren’t able to sustain it over all those years, which is why the other guys have jobs.

rosen380
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

“Maybe it isn’t the 2 war threshold for being worth a roster spot”

2 wins is roughly average for a starting player — “worth a roster spot” would be way lower on an average team.

The 1998 Braves have one of the highest combined batting+pitching team fWARs (64.6 fWAR) and even they “only” had 12 players at 2.0 fWAR or greater.

danMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  BenZobrist4MVP

I’d love to know how often it happens with Rookies of the year. I bet a lot.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

I have some questions about the term “bust”, as used here. I mostly don’t disagree with these, but I don’t think these guys are in the same boat.

With Abreu and Kyle Lewis (and Robbie Grossman, to a lesser extent), it’s just regression to the mean.

With Upton and Bell, I’m not clear what is left (or ever was) to bust.

I think I understand the Votto and Blackmon ones a bit better, since you think they’re on a long-term decline.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Votto def had a bounce last year. I would venture that he continues his bounceback on the heels of *worse* plate discipline. I know that seems counter-intuitive, but Votto is one of the few guys who I think selling out for pull-power for one more year or two could help.

Upton has always been extreme hot and cold. His entire career. Last year in the 1st half he had a -4 wRC+, and then a 166 wRC+ in the second half. While I would bet against him bouncing back as well, his last two seasons is only 400PA,prior to that he had a 121 and 137 wRC+. In those two seasons he had some bad stretches as well, followed by month long tears where he hits 10+ HRs. I don’t think it is unreasonable to think he comes in somewhere in the 100-110 wRC+ range, which I guess isn’t really much of a positive for a corner outfielder who plays miserable defense, heh.

Bell is who knows. Lack of defensive value means he will likely never be that good, but I could see his bat bouncing back. Especially working with the LA god in DC.

VinnieDaGooch
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Kyle Lewis only has 60 games in his MLB career. He has no mean performance to regress to

Jimmy DuganMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  VinnieDaGooch

Thats not how regression to the mean works.

First off, Kyle Lewis has played many more than 60 baseball games in his life. The “true talent level”, or normalized performance level given skill inputs, is one “mean” that he is likely to regress towards. This can answer things like, do we think his ISO, K rate, BB rate, BABiP, HR/FB%, FB%, etc are going to increase or decrease (regress) towards a more typical result based on the underlying skills he has shown in the recent past.

Second, many other people have played baseball games in their lives, and by doing so, they have given us insight into some typical statistical output ranges. Any player who puts up numbers outside this range is likely to regress to the mean performance level over time. In addition to regressing “luck” factors, this second category also applies to actual skill changes.

For example, any MLB quality hitter will see their BABiP regress towards .300, because that is the league average. Some hitters, however, might be better than .300 “true talent” hitters. In the short term, this hitter will regress towards a number higher than .300, but over time their true talent will regress towards .300

This is overly simplistic in many ways. The hard work that projection systems do is basically cutting through the statistical noise to determine what “true talent level” a player is likely to regress towards. And yes, projection systems work on rookies too, because they are not emerging from a vacuum into a brave new world.

whiptydojoe
5 years ago

Hey Dan, do you know what day the 2022 & 2023 projections are being released? That’s one of my fave posts all year and I’ve been jonesing for it to come out. Thanks for any info you’re allowed to share!

JoeyVottoIsGoneMember since 2016
5 years ago

I’m hoping you’re wrong about one of these predictions.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

Big Kyle Lewis fan, huh?

darkness88
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Definitely, as his screen name shows.

SirCharlesKMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  darkness88

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darkness88
5 years ago
Reply to  SirCharlesK

What?

Jason BMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  darkness88

Hello, darkness, my old friend
We’ve come to joke with you again
Because a fun quip softly creeping
Sailed o’er your head; maybe you’re sleeping?
The consternation that was planted in your brain
Still remains
Just awkward sounds of silence

darkness88
5 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Gosh, please stop…

AnonMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Brilliant!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

The one I think has the potential to really mess this up is Jackie Bradley Jr. Betting on Jackie Bradley Jr. is roughly equivalent to betting on a roulette wheel. The last three seasons he has put up nearly identical wRC+’s (~90) but it masks incredible hot and cold streaks. His swing gets out of whack and he can’t hit anything, then he works with the hitting coach and lights the world on fire, and just as everyone says “he’s figured it out” his swing gets screwed up again. This guy could be one of the Top 10 outfielders in MLB or he could be left off the playoff roster.

The other thing about JBJ is that Miller Park (this is its name, forever, sorry) is extremely friendly to left-handed power. Left handers with any power at all always look better in Milwaukee. I haven’t seen his spray chart but I am pretty sure that it looks very nice laid over that stadium.

mikejuntMember
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

This is an unfair comparison. You win 1 in 36 times on a roulette wheel.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Hm, that sounds about right in this case!

rosen380
5 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

“You win 1 in 36 times on a roulette wheel.”
Don’t forget 0 (and 00 depending on where you play)!

g4Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Generally agree but “always”? Smoak, Morrison, bad Shaw, Thames (most months), Brad Miller, Narvaez all recently stunk up Milwaukee’s cozy home park. The effect is not quite as blatant as dumping any LH bat in the lineup and seeing their OPS jump 100 points.

Fingers crossed that we see more of “hot” JBJ this year, which should play just fine in any park.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  g4

Well, I think Thames did a little better than we remember. Shaw was very good for most of his time in Milwaukee. Smoak and Morrison were done; Narvaez was a regression candidate waiting to happen, a slower guy who gets by on flares and a loooot of luck. (I would worry a little bit that Wong doesn’t have quite enough power to luck into homers for that reason too, but maybe he will and at least he’s a good defender and not likely to regress as a hitter overall).

But Shaw, Thames, Moustakas, and Grandal all benefitted a lot from Miller Park. (Miller is the big exception).

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Like a lot of guys, it could be SSS since he mostly a DH/1st these days, but Brad Miller really looks like a different hitter these days than he did when he was younger. He always had power (popping 30 hrs as a SS pre happy funball) but wasn’t a good hitter, to me. Now he actually looks like a good hitter, and the results show it.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
5 years ago

I am glad to see another person who agrees with me that Kyle Lewis sends out hints that he is the next Bob Hamelin or Joe Charboneau.

Mahoney
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Share the sentiment, though to be fair to Lewis the Listach over Lofton ROY result was probably an all-time extreme on the “career year vs. future career” scale.

Gentler comps might be, idunno, Angel Berroa over Teixeira, or maybe Chris Sabo over Robbie Alomar…..

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

The problem with this analogy is that Lofton was measurably better than Listach that year, even if it was by being slightly better at everything. He had more stolen bases (barely), he had a higher OBP (barely), he hit more home runs (barely), and he played even better defense at a similarly premium position (much more than barely although it’s harder to measure). His BA was even within spitting distance of Listach. He even had about the same number of RBIs and runs if you want to look at stuff the awards voters loved back then (3 more runs, 5 fewer RBIs). There was really no logical reason to think Listach was better than Lofton.

But with Lewis, he hit meaningfully better than Robert, even if his defense was meaningfully worse. I’ll take Robert long term but it’s a one-year award.

I reject the notion that the Rookie of the Year award is supposed to be a prediction of future success. Is it that big a deal that Marty Cordova won Rookie of the Year over Andy Pettite? I don’t think so.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d add that team results effect the voting as well. We all know it happens (or happened more historically) for the MVP, but I think it happened with other awards. For instance, I think it’s fair to say Listach got a sizable bump from Milwaukee having a surprise year and finishing a few games back of Toronto. Meanwhile, Lofton put up similar numbers on a mediocre Cleveland team (although they wouldn’t be mediocre for long). So you’ve got one guy with slightly better statistics on a team that was mediocre, vs one on a surprise contender. I think that accounts for the difference.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

That was a wild year. I just now looked up that race and the Brewers actually finished with a higher pythagorean record than the Jays that year too (and the Braves, for that matter). The team was a juggernaut in terms of offense and run prevention. Somehow, they were top 10 in both runs scored and runs allowed, giving them the biggest differential between runs scored and runs allowed in the game.

I’m trying to figure out how they did it and it seems to be that they combined unbelievable luck in terms of sequencing on offense with some really excellent innings-eatings from the pitching side. On offense, the Brewers were about the middle of the pack in terms of home runs and about 20th in terms of doubles and triples, 25th in singles, and about #20 in OBP. This team did not have much power and did not have much on-base ability, and in terms of wRC+ was one of the worst teams in the league on offense, with a -6.2 OFF cumulatively for the year. But their RE24 was a whopping 82.2, good for first in the league. This is mind-boggling; if you strip out context the team was below replacement on offense but an absurd proportion of the times they got on-base it turned into a rally.

Run prevention was a bit more straightforward. They only allowed 3.7 runs per game, and were 4th in the league in pitching WAR (lines up well with 4th in run prevention). To give you a sense of how the Brewers pitching staff did this…part of this is that the team beat their FIP by a fair amount (their RA9-War is about 9 wins higher than their FIP-based WAR), and that’s particularly impressive because Total Zone hated their team’s defense this year. The other part is about innings sponges. Their top 4 guys put up a combined 13.5 wins and the rest of their starters were worth -0.1 wins. Three of those top 4 guys pitched a combined 738 innings and were notably above average. That’s a lot even for the era; they were #3, #11, and #21 in terms of innings pitched that year; the Braves led the league in innings pitched by starters with 1066, and the Brewers’ top 3 innings sponges grabbed 40 more innings than the Braves top 3.

Interestingly, looking closer at that team, Pat Listach might not have even been the most consequential rookie addition. Cal Eldred was absolutely lights out for 100 innings, pitching on the level of a league ace in about half a season by any measure you want to use. A total knock out performance, and clearly the high-water mark of his career.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Very cool stuff, thanks for the digging. I think their incredible good fortune speaks to why that year they popped their head above water to contend and went right back down again. The previous three years they were a shade above .500, 14 games under, and right at .500. And right after this, they basically crashed and burned for a decade.
Looking at that team, the offense looked like it relied on Molitor, a little of Darryl Hamilton, and other guys who’d kick in a hit here and there. That’s pretty much it. Good all on Eldred too. I remember him more as a solid innings eater, but for half a season, he was the Milwaukee Sabathia prototype.
Finally, that team was filled with guys who became notable players elsewhere in their career, with Vaughn, Surhoff, and Bichette having notable seasons in their 30’s for other teams. I’m almost 40 and have followed baseball for over 30 years and have no memory of him in Milwaukee.
It’s fun to dig into this stuff, and I always am curious about surprise teams who pop up and contend for a few years. Sometimes it’s in mysterious ways like this and just as quickly it’s gone. Other times it’s percolating and you wonder how you didn’t see it coming to begin with.

Mahoney
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

One other factor on Listach over Lofton was that Listach had gotten out to a much better start than Lofton. Heading into August, Listach was hitting .295 vs. .258 for Lofton, with the same number of SB. Lofton then turned into his Cleveland self for the rest of the season, bringing his numbers up to Listach’s level by season’s end.

Anthony Princeton
5 years ago

I think Jose Abreu’s projections is a little low, and see him more as a regression candidate than a bust. This is by far and away the most talented lineup he has been in since joining the White Sox. It was discussed last season, the pressure that was on him in recent years to produce and drive in runs due to the lack of talent around him.

Taking a quick look at his plate discipline, Abreu had the 2nd lowest O-swimg% and the 3rd highest Z-swimg% of his career in 2020. He also had the highest exit velocity and his best defensive showing of his career for what it’s worth.

Mike ZMember since 2025
5 years ago

Agree with this comment and also note that last year Abreu was in a pennant race and playing late season games that mattered for the first time in his career which seemed to bring out the best in him. Anticipate more of that this year.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago

Exactly, it would be regression. He will still be a good hitter. He hit the ball extremely well in 2019 as well, just had some bad luck.

mattMember since 2023
5 years ago

I get the skepticism in Lewis becoming a star but think you are overlooking 1 thing, his O-Swing % dropped by 10 last year. I also very much disagree with his power being below average, I think it’s east plus and will show over significant sample. I see him as a 3ish win guy pretty consistently if he stays relatively healthy

sadhulkMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

Projections are really low on him because of his bad minor league numbers. It’s a pretty easy case to make that he wasn’t at his true talent level when he was coming back from being out for over a season with a knee surgery.

Comps for Domingo Santana and Jorge Soler were thrown around here with his bat last year, that still feels accurate. He’ll probably be streaky at the plate, but he’s a solid enough all around player that he’ll be useful.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadhulk

I agree in a sense on the Santana/Soler comp. Lets hope it isn’t Santana though, as he doesn’t even play baseball in the MLB anymore and he is only 28.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

The book obviously isn’t written on Lewis yet, but my issue with him is that he doesn’t have an elite skill to make up for the deficiencies he does have. He doesn’t have elite raw power, doesn’t have elite EVs, he doesn’t steal a ton of bases, he isn’t a defensive whiz. I think a mid .200s guy who hits just enough home runs and isn’t a liability in the field is totally realistic for him, and that in itself has value, but I don’t see where you can expect more than that without wishful thinking.

CoryMC
5 years ago

Votto just gave clearance to announce he tested positive for COVID-19. Does not help his chances in continuing his bounce-back.

Jason BMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  CoryMC

Hey it helped Freddie Freeman win an MVP! /s

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago

I appreciate that a few of these are guys people are predicting to bounce back for no reason other than “they can’t possibly be as bad as they were last year!”

Which is certainly not true, because they were as bad as they were last year, just last year in fact.

Bell is a good example of this. I don’t see what stats you could look at that would paint his hot streak in 2019 as the norm, and everything else as the outlier.

isntthisrichMember since 2018
5 years ago

As a Nats fan, I wasn’t super excited about them getting Bell, but then the thing that made me feel really bad about it was that Jim Bowden said it was a great move.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago

Bell it would be more working with a good hitting coach for once.

mariodegenzgz
5 years ago

I agree on Blackmon as a Rockies fan. He got a lot of cookies at the start of last season and then seemed to age 6 years (in hitter terms) in like two weeks. He was late, he was pouding the ball into the ground, he seemed unable to catch up for the first time in a very, very long time. I fear he’s done as well and if he is, that contract is an albatross.

MorboTheAnnihilator
5 years ago

I’ll take the over on Kyle Lewis mostly because I predicted him to break out in 2020 based on his quality of contact data.

CC AFCMember since 2016
5 years ago

I’m kinda optimistic on Lewis, too, but because I think there’s room for him to improve his contact/plate discipline. He’s got so many fewer at-bats than a typical 25.5 year old because of all his injuries in the minors, there’s room to dream on the underlying skills improving more than normal. He’ll have to actually do it, though, because I agree that with Dan that he’s gonna have a rough time if his skills remain static.

pbarstonMember since 2019
5 years ago

Great article on Joey V’s altered approach in the Athletic a few weeks back: https://theathletic.com/2402162/2021/02/22/joey-votto-reinvented-power-zone/?article_source=search&search_query=joey%20votto

Joey is not quoted here but throughout the article he is.

“Votto will never be the 2017 version of himself again, so he has had to decide what to sacrifice. The last couple of years, it has been the power. But heading into 2021, it’s that avoidance of strikeouts, the lack of risk, that he seems to be sacrificing. Votto’s pitch selection can still be elite, so while he can still lay off swinging at balls, he can focus more on doing damage on the pitches that he does swing at in the strike zone.”

Interesting to see Dan note that, even more interesting to see Mr. V point that out a feature and not a flaw.

Art Fay
5 years ago

Way to pick on mostly old guys

Billsaints
5 years ago

Range of an electric car hooked up to a potato battery lol…

equistMember since 2017
5 years ago

I agree with all but Lewis. I actually feel the biggest knock against Lewis isn’t his defensive play, or his second half collapse, but his injury history. If he can stay healthy, I think you’ll find that he can hit, and hit with power. Last year was one of his longest sustained periods of health, unfortunately, and I think he wore down a bit in the second half. If he can stay healthy this year we may see the real Kyle Lewis for the first time.

That being said, he is not on my fantasy team… because of the for mentioned health problems.

jeffreyMember since 2021
5 years ago

IDK. Abreu has been one of the most consistent hitters in MLB since breaking into the league in 2014. His past two seasons have been elite. And now he finds himself in the middle of what is arguably the AL’s best offense, if not MLB’s best. He is perennially underrated. And it seems like he’s still being undervalued somewhat: $23 in mixed LABR. I would buy all day at that price.

Jimmy DuganMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  jeffrey

What’s the argument that the White Sox have the best offense in the AL? From what I’m looking at, they’re likely to be somewhere between 5th and 9th most RS in the AL

firethegdcommish
5 years ago

The author of this column would do well in the cardinals organization. They also doubt players based on their ethnicity. ..

Jimmy DuganMember since 2020
5 years ago

Care to explain why you are calling Szymborski, or the Cardinals org, racist?

My most generous assessment is that you believe that the Cardinals decision to not resign Wong was “because of his ethnicity”, and that the disproportionate appearance of Black players on this list was intentional by Szymborski “because of their ethnicity”

But this generous assessment also tells me that nobody would have poor enough logic skills to make these conclusions, or that if they did, they would at least have sufficient social skills to keep the opinion to themselves. So I’m having a hard time reconciling the fact that you did choose to state your opinion here.

Therefore, please enlighten us as to how you came to the conclusion that either the Cardinals, or Szymborski, “doubt players based on their ethnicity”

Fungo4444
5 years ago

The “Kyle Lewis regression” bus will take a long drive off a short pier by the AS break. It is the Tesla short sell of baseball prognostication. I for one am still a buyer!

Talent wins, and he has buckets, just use your eyeballs — rather than 200 ABs .

Kevbot034
5 years ago

Lewis busting wouldn’t surprise me; those were some shocking numbers about his contact rates. But what I was most surprised about was that his defense was nowhere near as bad as I thought it was, and he walked 14% of the time, which also stunned me. I’m not really sure what to make of his overall skills anyway, since I honestly forgot about him as a prospect because the injury struggles he had delaying his arrival.

SenorGato
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

Agreed on Lewis, playing a strong CF alone is a pretty valuable skill these days

SenorGato
5 years ago

I think I like this whole list, especially and randomly Grossman. Funny but there aren’t many more candidates for this off the 2020 season? Travis d’Arnaud maybe?.

RainmakerMember since 2016
5 years ago

Blackmon is certainly due for some age-related decline, but think you’re looking a little too deeply into a small sample from a messed-up, throwaway season. To start, a quick spin through the google machine tells us that Blackmon was two weeks late to camp due to contracting Covid in July and was only cleared to rejoin the team 10-days before the season started. And to look at his numbers, the only ‘indicator’ is lowered average EV — BB% & K% are in-line, launch angle too. Just not clear you can frame this as a degradation in skill per se, when EV is your only indicator.

tung_twista
5 years ago
Reply to  Rainmaker

A quick spin through the google machine will also tell you that Blackmon hit wrc+ 156 in the 1st half and wrc+ 41 in the 2nd half so covid was clearly a non-issue.

Samuel HardimanMember since 2020
5 years ago

From a fantasy perspective (with no weight on defense) should we expect that much regression from Abreu? Yes, he is 34. The 2020 power wasn’t an aberration. He had a 14.3% barrel rate in ‘20, but that followed a 12% rate (59 barrels!) in ‘19. Or are barrels not sticky enough year to hear?

theinevitablemarchoftime
5 years ago

I would like to join in the cacophonous chorus defending Kyle Lewis, because while I think it’s a valid concern he’ll be a bust, that’s almost entirely predicated on his contact rate, rather than some of the other suggestions you made. So this will be a quibbling defense, the best kind.

First and most empathically, it’s objectively wrong to say “he’s a below-average player in terms of power”. He’s had multiple balls off the bat at 110+ MPH, his average exit velocity in 2019 in the minors was the best of any player in the system, directly behind him was Evan White, who aside from his major flaw of thinking making contact is a suggestion rather than requisite for success, had outstanding exit velocity numbers last year – and I’m aware using another players results to defend Kyle Lewis is a bit questionable but I think it’s meaningful to establish his best possible outcomes even if like Wily Mo Pena it’s rare he ever reaches those heights – so even if his average EV in the majors has been, well, average, it’s disingenuous to suggest he can’t wallop a baseball. Likewise he’s made a 5 star defensive play according to Statcast and had above average numbers defensively overall, so while the sample size is tiny, his promising OAA coupled with very good sprint speeds (76th percentile despite his ACL tear 4 years ago is really impressive) suggest he could also be a plus defender in CF. Those are largely the statements and insinuations I’ve taken issue with, you’ve been far too uncharitable as to what Kyle Lewis can do on a baseball field, even if I agree it’s valid to question if he’ll do them often enough to find sustained success. Still, he’s a well rounded talent with multiple plus tools.

Now, I’d also like to point out something that is less definitive, but I think is still a good indicator of future success, but as another commenter noted, he did cut down on swings out of the strike zone. That coupled with his attempts at going the other way when pitchers adjusted to his initial success by heavily increasing the rate of offspeed pitches away from him show he’s capable of making adjustments, which potentially portends good things, though that’s more speculative. Still I think it’s noteworthy and impressive that a player is capable of wildly changing their approach from a free swinging power hitter to a patient slap hitter when faced with a wildly different approach from pitchers, at least he won’t be Taylor Motter.

Though ultimately, it’s a major problem that he didn’t tap into his power against pitches down and away, because he’s at his best when he’s elevating pitches, so even that adjustment of trying to go with them is more a band-aid than a true solution. He’ll have to find a way to more consistently make quality contact and cut down on the swing and miss in his game, which is of course 2 adjustments that are exceedingly difficult to make. But even with his flaws, I think that being a very good base runner and a potentially good defensive CF leaves his floor from being too low as long as he continues to lay off pitches outside the zone (and I do think he has the discerning eye to at least do that). But if he does manage to improve (which isn’t an impossibility for a 25 year old player with only 76 games in the majors and relatively light minor league work load due to his aforementioned injuries), his ceiling is a genuine star player.

cubfanjack
5 years ago

Gotta give Big Dan credit for having the nards to put his unvarnished opinions out there!