Szymborski’s 2023 Bust Candidates: Hitters

We’ve reached the point in the offseason when it’s time for one of my favorite/most hated preseason traditions: my attempt to predict breakouts and busts. Since those are beyond what a projection system suggests are naturally going to be low-probability outcomes, there’s a high probability of me looking pretty silly — something writers generally try to avoid. Let’s start by looking back at how smart I was last year…or how foolish:
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | wRC+ Percentile | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mike Trout | .283 | .369 | .630 | 176 | 61st | 6.0 |
| Christian Yelich | .252 | .355 | .383 | 111 | 32nd | 2.3 |
| Austin Riley | .273 | .349 | .528 | 142 | 81st | 5.5 |
| Wil Myers | .261 | .315 | .398 | 104 | 52nd | 1.0 |
| Matt Chapman | .229 | .324 | .433 | 117 | 47th | 4.1 |
| Frank Schwindel | .229 | .277 | .358 | 78 | 9th | -0.7 |
| Salvador Perez | .254 | .292 | .465 | 108 | 47th | 0.5 |
| Gio Urshela | .285 | .338 | .429 | 119 | 64th | 2.4 |
Thank goodness I had a weaker year than average overall, as I included a few of my favorite players in the mix! Being right for breakouts is a lot of fun, but being right on the busts is a bit depressing, a definite sign that I’ve mellowed as I enter middle age. Trout’s contact rate didn’t bounce back, and his BABIP crashed by well over 100 points, but his newfound grounder proclivity disappeared, and the power boost more than compensated for an OBP nearly 50 points below his career average. Riley’s BABIP also predictably fell, but he hit the ball harder and became a more well-rounded hitter, crushing most pitches instead of predominantly fastballs. Most of the rest came in at the middle-third of the ZiPS projections, which is a victory for the computer rather than me — all that is except for Schwindel, who didn’t just regress toward the mean; he lapped it.
Now, let’s turn to this year’s picks, as I throw myself upon the tender mercies of fortune.
Paul Goldschmidt, St. Louis Cardinals
I’ve long been a fan of Goldschmidt, so I’m a little annoyed at putting him here, but he’s also one of the players who had a superstar season who I think is most likely to drop off a ton. You could argue that Aaron Judge will likely drop off even more simply by virtue of the fact he put up an 11-WAR season, but the best ZiPS-projected position player as a bust seems a little too perverse for even me.
Goldschmidt is probably going to be very good still, but there was more helium in his BABIP than usual. And while he does have a long-term pattern of overperforming his expected BABIP (18 points a year entering 2022), that’s also something ZiPS accounts for given how long he’s been doing it; his projection has a BABIP 21 points higher than it would have been without that history. His 71-point overperformance was the largest of his career and the second largest in baseball behind Seby Zavala, a part-time catcher who would be an odd choice for this exercise. The fact that Goldschmidt will turn 36 later this year certainly isn’t a good thing, either.
Of the eight players here, Goldschmidt is the one I’m most wrong about and probably the one who can start making a Hall of Fame argument if he ages well. He was a guy who was definitely underrated as a prospect but looked good by the numbers; his ZiPS projections as a prospect would have him ranked third if I had done a Top 100 list back before the 2012 season. ZiPS thinks he’ll end up over 400 homers and within shouting distance of 2,500 hits, and he’s already in the top 20 at first base per my colleague Jay Jaffe’s JAWS, but I’m not sure that’s good enough for the BBWAA. I’d cast a vote! But if he does worse than ZiPS suggests, I think those chances get to zero fairly quickly.
| Percentile | 2B | HR | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 95% | 43 | 38 | .320 | .407 | .575 | 170 | 7.0 |
| 90% | 40 | 35 | .310 | .393 | .552 | 161 | 6.3 |
| 80% | 37 | 32 | .298 | .382 | .532 | 152 | 5.6 |
| 70% | 35 | 30 | .291 | .376 | .510 | 144 | 5.1 |
| 60% | 33 | 27 | .282 | .368 | .495 | 139 | 4.7 |
| 50% | 31 | 26 | .275 | .360 | .481 | 134 | 4.3 |
| 40% | 29 | 24 | .269 | .351 | .466 | 128 | 3.8 |
| 30% | 28 | 22 | .260 | .343 | .450 | 123 | 3.4 |
| 20% | 26 | 20 | .252 | .332 | .433 | 116 | 2.9 |
| 10% | 23 | 17 | .237 | .319 | .411 | 105 | 2.0 |
| 5% | 21 | 15 | .219 | .306 | .391 | 96 | 1.3 |
Joey Gallo, Minnesota Twins
Gallo certainly could have a bounceback season, but I’m skeptical about the general optimism that the changes in shift rules are going to be as much a fix-it for him as many people think they will be. There were 91 batters who faced at least 1,500 pitches when batting left-handed in 2022; Gallo pulled the fewest grounders of that group, getting two hits (a single and a double right down the line) in 28 opportunities. Someone like Corey Seager, who went 8-for-111, seems like a better candidate to scoop up extra hits. Simply put, Gallo, even in a good year, doesn’t actually put that many balls into play, so he’s likely to get less off a benefit from the shift going away than most left-handed hitters.
There’s also the fact that from 2015 to ’22, all left-handed hitters combined for a .204 BABIP when pulling grounders and no shift was in effect. Would four extra singles really have changed anything about Gallo’s 2022 performance? A .204 BABIP only nets him four singles in 2021, two singles in ’20, and one single in ’19. And without the shift, he probably would also give back at least few of his 16 opposite-field groundball singles the last three years. He went 17-for-22 in pulled line drives in 2022, so it’s not like there’s room to improve significantly there, either.
Gallo has multiple problems as a hitter. He’s always been a terrible contact hitter, but his out-of-zone swing percentage ballooned nearly 50% from 2022, and though he still has an excellent hard-hit percentage, his average exit velocity has dropped considerably as well, meaning that his power has grown less consistent. In the end, the fact that his problems are something he has to fix in his game rather than something that will disappear with the demise of the shift makes me quite unsure a that bounceback will be all that great.
| Percentile | 2B | HR | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 95% | 21 | 38 | .248 | .385 | .579 | 162 | 5.4 |
| 90% | 19 | 35 | .234 | .371 | .536 | 147 | 4.7 |
| 80% | 17 | 31 | .219 | .354 | .494 | 131 | 3.7 |
| 70% | 16 | 29 | .210 | .344 | .464 | 123 | 3.3 |
| 60% | 15 | 27 | .201 | .336 | .444 | 117 | 2.9 |
| 50% | 14 | 25 | .194 | .330 | .426 | 110 | 2.6 |
| 40% | 13 | 23 | .188 | .322 | .405 | 104 | 2.2 |
| 30% | 12 | 22 | .179 | .314 | .383 | 97 | 1.8 |
| 20% | 11 | 19 | .169 | .303 | .362 | 89 | 1.3 |
| 10% | 9 | 16 | .154 | .288 | .325 | 76 | 0.6 |
| 5% | 8 | 14 | .143 | .277 | .299 | 64 | 0.0 |
Nick Castellanos, Philadelphia Phillies
Like with Gallo, I’m not at all convinced that a Castellanos comeback season will be all that impactful. He’s two years older than Gallo, which actually matters, and his hard-hit percentage fell off a cliff in 2022, down under the 35% mark, a number that’s typically seen with good contact hitters and lousy everything-else hitters. Castellanos is definitely a player I’d like to have detailed bat speed data for; his swing looked a lot slower to me last year than it did when he was in Cincinnati. But failing that, he hit the ball less forcefully and more to the opposite field, and he declined against fastballs. He’s been working to simplify his swing this offseason, so that theoretically might help, but I’m very worried about him.
| Percentile | 2B | HR | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 95% | 47 | 32 | .317 | .366 | .547 | 142 | 3.5 |
| 90% | 43 | 29 | .301 | .351 | .529 | 136 | 3.2 |
| 80% | 40 | 27 | .289 | .340 | .503 | 127 | 2.5 |
| 70% | 38 | 24 | .278 | .331 | .482 | 118 | 1.8 |
| 60% | 36 | 23 | .270 | .322 | .466 | 112 | 1.4 |
| 50% | 34 | 21 | .263 | .314 | .453 | 107 | 1.0 |
| 40% | 32 | 19 | .256 | .305 | .441 | 101 | 0.6 |
| 30% | 30 | 18 | .246 | .296 | .424 | 95 | 0.2 |
| 20% | 28 | 16 | .237 | .288 | .406 | 88 | -0.3 |
| 10% | 24 | 14 | .223 | .275 | .376 | 77 | -1.0 |
| 5% | 21 | 11 | .213 | .264 | .342 | 68 | -1.7 |
Yasmani Grandal, Chicago White Sox
Grandal’s 2022 season was marred by injury, but when he was healthy enough to take the field, he was absolutely atrocious. I think I’d be more optimistic if he had been fully healthy and had a mechanical problem that needed to be dealt with; has anyone every felt better after being told “hey, don’t worry, the 34-year-old catcher was just injured?” ZiPS is actually the most bullish of the projection systems when it comes to him, but I’m just not buying it. Even his vaunted plate discipline looked a bit shaky last year. I’d probably knock off a win off the projection for Grandal in 2023.
| Percentile | 2B | HR | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 95% | 19 | 28 | .284 | .412 | .522 | 155 | 4.9 |
| 90% | 18 | 24 | .267 | .401 | .491 | 140 | 4.2 |
| 80% | 16 | 21 | .252 | .379 | .453 | 130 | 3.8 |
| 70% | 15 | 19 | .242 | .370 | .432 | 122 | 3.4 |
| 60% | 14 | 18 | .234 | .363 | .416 | 115 | 3.1 |
| 50% | 13 | 16 | .226 | .353 | .397 | 108 | 2.7 |
| 40% | 12 | 15 | .217 | .344 | .379 | 102 | 2.4 |
| 30% | 11 | 14 | .208 | .335 | .360 | 96 | 2.1 |
| 20% | 10 | 12 | .198 | .321 | .336 | 87 | 1.7 |
| 10% | 8 | 9 | .187 | .304 | .310 | 75 | 1.0 |
| 5% | 7 | 8 | .171 | .292 | .283 | 67 | 0.5 |
C.J. Cron, Colorado Rockies
This isn’t an organization I compliment very often, but the Rockies did a really good job when it came to Cron. They picked him up for a pittance at a time when teams had probably gone too far in downgrading 30-year-old first base/DH types and got a solid 2021 season out of him, and while 2022 was less impressive, it was a bargain given his two-year, $14.5 million deal. That said, I think 2022 is likely closer to Cron’s ability level at this point than ’21; he’s well into the age range where decline is likely, and he’s not starting off as a star-level player at the cold corner. Now we’ll see if the Rockies pass the next test and realize that a player being a good stopgap solution is not automatically a good long-term solution and start looking for Cron’s successor.
| Percentile | 2B | HR | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 95% | 40 | 37 | .312 | .382 | .594 | 145 | 3.5 |
| 90% | 37 | 34 | .300 | .372 | .563 | 134 | 2.8 |
| 80% | 33 | 31 | .287 | .356 | .527 | 123 | 2.1 |
| 70% | 31 | 28 | .279 | .348 | .508 | 117 | 1.7 |
| 60% | 29 | 27 | .268 | .340 | .490 | 112 | 1.4 |
| 50% | 27 | 25 | .262 | .333 | .475 | 107 | 1.1 |
| 40% | 25 | 23 | .254 | .326 | .456 | 100 | 0.6 |
| 30% | 23 | 21 | .244 | .318 | .439 | 95 | 0.3 |
| 20% | 21 | 19 | .234 | .308 | .413 | 87 | -0.2 |
| 10% | 17 | 15 | .218 | .288 | .371 | 72 | -1.2 |
| 5% | 15 | 13 | .198 | .273 | .346 | 59 | -2.0 |
Josh Donaldson, New York Yankees
I’m down on Donaldson, and Yankees fans are definitely down on Donaldson — I’d bet that he’d do worse in a poll of fans than Isiah Kiner-Falefa — but Aaron Boone certainly seems to disagree strongly with that position. Donaldson’s defense has held up suprisingly well, but he had one of the largest one-year dropoffs in hard-hit rate of any player in baseball last year. Add in hitting the ball more softly with a significant degradation of his plate discipline, and the fact that he’s 37, and I have a strong suspicion of permanent toastification. I think the Yankees would be best off trying to get all three of their interesting young infielders onto the roster, eat Donaldson’s salary and make him another team’s problem.
| Percentile | 2B | HR | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 95% | 32 | 29 | .273 | .370 | .507 | 136 | 4.4 |
| 90% | 29 | 27 | .260 | .360 | .484 | 130 | 4.0 |
| 80% | 26 | 24 | .248 | .346 | .462 | 119 | 3.3 |
| 70% | 24 | 22 | .240 | .336 | .442 | 113 | 3.0 |
| 60% | 22 | 20 | .231 | .329 | .425 | 107 | 2.6 |
| 50% | 21 | 19 | .223 | .321 | .406 | 101 | 2.3 |
| 40% | 19 | 18 | .216 | .313 | .388 | 95 | 1.9 |
| 30% | 18 | 16 | .207 | .305 | .372 | 89 | 1.6 |
| 20% | 17 | 15 | .199 | .294 | .354 | 80 | 1.0 |
| 10% | 14 | 12 | .185 | .279 | .322 | 70 | 0.4 |
| 5% | 11 | 11 | .173 | .262 | .311 | 60 | -0.2 |
Salvador Perez, Kansas City Royals
I’ve been known to put players on consecutive breakout lists — most notoriously with Nomar Mazara for three consecutive seasons, which worked out wonderfully — but I don’t think I’ve ever put a player on consecutive bust lists. Perez wasn’t exactly a bust offensively in 2022, but it was a massive dropoff from his crazy 48-homer 2021 season. I think his offensive decline continues apace in large part due to who he is as a hitter. He’s always been an ultra-aggressive swinger, but he makes contact less and less often; most players who have success swinging at a million out-of-zone pitches are actually pretty good at making contact with them, but he has declined to being below-average at that, too. His profile reminds me of an inflation death spiral, as he has to hit the ball harder and harder yet makes contact less and less often against worse pitches. Suffice it to say, I’m not on board with the ZiPS projection below, which I think is crazy optimistic; I’d pick something around the 20th percentile offensively. We’ll see if ZiPS gets the last laugh.
| Percentile | 2B | HR | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 95% | 33 | 42 | .329 | .366 | .638 | 168 | 5.5 |
| 90% | 30 | 38 | .316 | .355 | .607 | 158 | 4.9 |
| 80% | 27 | 34 | .298 | .339 | .558 | 142 | 3.9 |
| 70% | 25 | 32 | .286 | .328 | .541 | 134 | 3.4 |
| 60% | 23 | 30 | .276 | .319 | .519 | 126 | 2.9 |
| 50% | 22 | 28 | .267 | .310 | .499 | 118 | 2.4 |
| 40% | 21 | 26 | .258 | .301 | .481 | 112 | 2.0 |
| 30% | 20 | 24 | .250 | .294 | .464 | 105 | 1.6 |
| 20% | 18 | 22 | .240 | .281 | .438 | 97 | 1.1 |
| 10% | 15 | 19 | .225 | .268 | .404 | 86 | 0.4 |
| 5% | 13 | 16 | .208 | .256 | .383 | 75 | -0.3 |
Christian Walker, Arizona Diamondbacks
Walker is a wonderful defensive player at first base, and I’m very happy that he won a Gold Glove, something that would have been unlikely 30 years ago when awards were more often than not given to whoever won it the year before. I’m less convinced that 36 homers is repeatable, and while zHR (built in to to ZiPS) agrees quite often with xSLG, it doesn’t here, pegging him as the largest home run overperformer with nine. Looking at the largest overperformers historically in zHR (the 10 leaders for each of the last five years), 44 out of 50 saw their home run total decline the following year by an average of 7.1 homers. Walker’s glove will lessen the blow of any offensive decline, but I think he’s clearly not a star [Word fixed -DS], just a good league-average first baseman coming off a peak year.
| Percentile | 2B | HR | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 95% | 40 | 34 | .306 | .385 | .542 | 150 | 5.4 |
| 90% | 36 | 32 | .295 | .376 | .525 | 141 | 4.7 |
| 80% | 33 | 29 | .283 | .361 | .497 | 132 | 4.1 |
| 70% | 31 | 27 | .272 | .352 | .484 | 125 | 3.5 |
| 60% | 29 | 25 | .262 | .343 | .465 | 119 | 3.2 |
| 50% | 27 | 24 | .254 | .336 | .451 | 114 | 2.8 |
| 40% | 26 | 22 | .247 | .328 | .435 | 107 | 2.3 |
| 30% | 24 | 20 | .238 | .321 | .421 | 103 | 1.9 |
| 20% | 22 | 19 | .229 | .312 | .403 | 96 | 1.5 |
| 10% | 19 | 16 | .217 | .298 | .379 | 87 | 0.9 |
| 5% | 17 | 14 | .205 | .287 | .351 | 76 | 0.2 |
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
I think Walker’s Daric Barton with a bit more pop…which I’d rate as a viable starter!
As long as his defense holds up, he only needs a 110 wRC+ to be in that 3 WAR range.
Well it needs to be a lot more pop because Barton couldn’t hit at all after his 5 WAR year. An average hitter playing 1B isn’t a very good player.
Yeah, I was looking at the career line, not the crazy dropoff.
I think he’s a legit 15-25 HR guy who just had a crazy year…but he’s also a +10 1B defender and a scratch baserunner, which gives his bat more leeway.
Didn’t Christian Walker massively underperform Xwoba/XBA and stuff though? I was thinking of targeting as him possibly improving and maybe significantly. So this feels like a gut punch
IIRC, his BA certainly underperformed his xBA, so that could still improve even if his HR declined somewhat. That’s what I’m hoping for.
yea! no Nats!
Hard to bust when you’re already busted.
Except isn’t Gallo already busted?
Yeah, I think that’s a weird pick too. I don’t know who besides ZIPS thinks he’s a league-average player right now. Honestly the majority of the picks in this article are already-busted guys IMO.
Yeah I thought the 50 percentile projections appeared quite ambitious for Gallo especially and also Grandal and Donaldson.
Perez’s was most egregious to me. His 50th percentile WAR would be a number he’s only surpassed once in the last decade
He’s not Chris Davis yet. That’s when you know you’ve hit bottom and can bust no more.
The Nats are busting loose.
I admit to falling out of my chair after fainting when I saw Joey Gallo on this list. I was down voted quite a bit around this time last spring when I said he was the worst hitter in the game but I will now take my victory lap. It is hard to bust when you are already looking up at all the other hitters in the game.
Hold the victory lap. He’s been quite bad lately but nowhere near the worst hitter in the game.
He’s the worst at getting hits, but not the worst at producing runs
“Everything aesthetically wrong with the modern game,” maybe?
He’s a good dude by all accounts…but he’s just unwatchable.
I will also allow that he is the worst hitter to watch from an aesthetic perspective.
But again, not the worst hitter overall
Nice comment! That hits the nail.
I understand the game but a little hyperbole is always a good thing in a baseball debate, especially over a couple of cold ones at the Italian Club with a few of my Yankee friends. You have to admit that he is in the discussion and most certainly among players with as many years in the majors as he has. I can’t imagine anyone else in the history of the game ever hit below the Mendoza Line in his 6-8 years while being, at least, a semi-regular so I will give him a cumulative award.
He’s also playing in an era with historic low batting averages. If an AVG+ stat existed, we’d have a better idea of he he compares to other low-AVG hitters from past eras
Dan, did you mean “starter” in your last sentence about Walker or “All-Star”? Like Cool Lester Smooth, he sure looks like a starter to me.
Oops, yes.
(Joey Gallo, pointing to his noggin circa 2020) can’t shift against me if I never put the ball in play…
Upon reflection “2020” should probably read “2015”. Between 2015 and 2020, among hitters with at least 1000 PAs, he is:
-Second in K% (behind Keon Broxton)
-Eleventh in BB%
-Fifth in HR/FB rate, coupled with being first in FB% (51%), meaning he puts the ball in the air constantly.
I’m sure when he puts the ball in play the shift mattered against him but the only guy I can think of off the top of my head that had this many true outcomes were steroid guys and Jack Cust (and pitchers who strike out two third of the time). And Gallo might even do it more than them.
Russ Branyan!
Rob Deer!
Adam Dunn would like to attend your party.
Adam Dunn actually hit 462 HR’s which separates him from the Rob Deer’s and Russell Branyan’s by a rather large margin.. He accumulated 35.6bWAR on offense but gave it back because he played most of his career in the NL. If there was anybody who should have been a career DH it was The Big Donkey.
Little bit of a confusing article, given that the majority of “bust” candidates already busted and had a horrible year last year. How could Gallo’s 2023, for instance, be considered a “bust” year?
Guessing the articles are “People I expect to perform significantly differently than their ZiPS projections.”
“Szymborski’s 2023 Manual Corrections to ZIPS Candidates”
AFAIK, the only manual corrections Dan makes to the projections are playing time related.
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I was 50/50 on it before I posted. Fair play to ya.
Should of read the comments before I wrote basically the exact same thing.
Agreed it’s like these are the toasted players I expected to carbonize next year. Or maybe bounce back payers without a bounce? The ones that aren’t stick out like sore thumbs. Goldy and Walker. CJ is just some dude. Last year there were legitimate picks.
Yeah IDK I don’t really think that any of Cron, Grandal, Donaldson, Perez, Castellanos, and Gallo are particularly daring “bust” picks since they weren’t very good last year.
Of the remainder, I’d definitely agree with Goldschmidt. What he did was not sustainable. Machado too. What they did was not only beyond their 2021, it wasn’t supported by the batted ball data. I kind of think Arenado and Bogaerts fall into this category too. Those guys are looking at declines–maybe gentle, maybe not. They’ll all be above-average hitters, but probably not that good.
Some other guys that I think are worth taking the under on are Hunter Renfroe and Andres Gimenez. But I’m not sure either will truly “bust” at the plate. The guy I’d pick–more so than Walker, at least–is Ian Happ. Normally, Ian Happ does better against right handers than left handers. But last year, he did slightly better against them…buoyed by an unsustainable .425 BABIP; he still struck out over 5 times as much as he walked against lefties, and his home run rate was about half as much. If you wanted to take a guess of which solidly-above average hitter will post a below-average offensive line in 2023, he would be my first guess.
agreed with machado. Its why I think he was smart to push for a new contract now and was so surprised when SD gave it to him.
I agree with most of your picks but it’d be really hard to call someone like Andres Gimenez a “bust” for regressing to the merely-very-good level from the borderline-MVP level, something I think we’d all be unsurprised to see. There has to be an element of disappointed hopes or missed expectations to call it a “bust” rather than a mere regression — a real “bust” can’t just be an age-related decline, nor an upward regression to a higher career mean that isn’t really going to happen, as seems to be the case for many of the names in the article.
I think Gimenez has a long, long way to fall before he can be considered a “bust” at the plate, but I am pretty sure he is not running a .353 BABIP again. He’s a lot more like what he showed in 2020 than either 2021 or 2022–ZiPs and Steamer both peg him for about a 115 wRC+, and that seems about right.
Sure, agreed. I’m even bullish on his chances to remain a star but to me that means maybe a 120 wRC+, not the ungodly year he had in 2022 which no sane person would expect him to repeat. But a “bust” scenario to me would be somewhere below 100.
Of course what Goldschmidt did last year is not sustainable at his age. However, ZiPS already accounts for that. The real question is whether or not you think ZiPS has regressed Goldy’s production far enough, and I personally don’t think Goldschmidt is going to fall that much further (or perhaps not at all) compared to what ZiPS has already predicted.
Trying to figure out what I am looking at in the wRC+ percentile. Is that a percent you were off by? Because Trout had the 4th highest wRC+ in the game.
Percentile against their projection. 50% means they met projection exactly, 90% is 90-th percentile performance (dramatic overperformance) vs expectations, etc.
Guessing it represents the ZiPS percentile outcome for that batter.
176 wRC+ for Trout was his 61st percentile projection for 2022, Urshela’s 117 wRC+ was his 64th percentile, etc.
That’s how they end up in similar percentiles despite radically different wRC+, the percentile is relative to each individual’s projection.
That is correct.
It is weird to me how so many of the “busts” already busted.
To answer this complain, those players that I included are players that the baseball fan world, generally, are expecting to have better seasons than last year (just Google Nick Castellanos bounceback and you get a ton of news and analysis articles not just random people commenting in forums).
As I’ve noted before — and will note explicitly for pitchers — is that I see breakouts and busts as breakouts and busts *relative to the conventional wisdom*.
A better title might have been “Predicted Bouncebacks That Ain’t Gonna Happen, with the exception of Goldschmidt”.
The important context to Donaldson’s 2022 is to look at his peripherals before and after his stint on the IL in late May for shoulder woes. He seemingly never recovered, and it led to him getting beat in the zone consistently, especially against RHPs’ fastballs. He chased more than in 2021 all season, but likely could’ve gotten away with it to some extent if not for the decline in the contact% and quality of contact in the zone. He’s a year older now, and I’m pretty sure he’s past the age that he’ll ever not be nursing some injury, so I wouldn’t advise betting on him. But if there’s a bounce-back in there, I would think it would be along that axis. I just don’t believe in it.
Admit it. You had Joey Meneses on this list until last night. Lol.
Honestly, this article could have just been titled “Old Guys”. Gallo is the only guy on the list under 31 (& Gallo is one of those guys who you wonder how he’s only 29 since he was such a big deal coming up).
Not particularly bold stating that old guys get worse. . . .
The list is more of a “guys who look to underperform even when accounting for their age” than saying “old guys get worse”
Goldschmidt will absolutely decline in 2023. I think the Cardinals would be happy with anything above his 20% odds, given his age/contract/what they expected when they signed him to his current deal. A 3 WAR performance would simultaneously be solid production and a huge drop in performance.
I think Arenado would fit on this list, as well. Between the two players, they are projected to lose about 4 WAR, but Arenado’s projection seems awfully high. There’s a real chance both players could lose 6-8 WAR. With STL barely upgrading this offseason, their playoff chances ride on their two stars not declining much.
That’s because Arenado is still just 31 (almost 32), so he shouldn’t decline that much this year. It’s not like the offensive numbers he posted last year were some mammoth breakout campaign (after adjusting for both Coors Field and the Coors Hangover Effect when comparing his years in Colorado).
Besides, signing Contreras is more than just “barely upgrading the offense,” not to mention the expected offensive improvements compared to last year from O’Neill, Carlson, and the youngsters.
…how much do we expect O’Neill to improve offensively?
He entered 2021 with a .305 wOBA on his career, and put up a .307 wOBA in 2022.
Some names I think could plummet without warning include Marcus Semien (ZiPS projects 129 wRC+), Kyle Schwarber (134), Daulton Varsho (132),
I agree with Semien. Past workloads, age, and EV velo data aren’t fates that I want to bet him to overcome again.
Wait Daulton Varsho is projected for 132 wRC+? I might be Varsho’s biggest cheerleader but it seems very unlikely he will do that. A big breakout would leave him at something like 115.
Pouring one out for the badass career of Grandal’s, maaaaybe the most underrated position player of the 2010s
Sal Perez is tough. In terms of age, yes. Regressions should occur. IL stints hindered the previous year, though. I suspect that with Melendez picking up the workload, there could be more protection against injuries. Still a tough sell on the premiums on his price.
Calling my shot with JD Martinez. Can’t run another 340ish BABIP if exit velocity, hard hit rates, and foot speed erode even more can he?
I remember two years ago I said same thing, his entire line was boosted by a goat line vs lhp, then he has another great year
“permanent toastification” LOL.
“Even his [Grandal] vaunted plate discipline looked a bit shaky last year.”
Citation needed here. Last year Grandal had 7.8% SwStr (9.2% career), 80% contact% (76% career), 87% z-contact% (84% career), 69% o-contact (62% career), 59% z-swing% (59% career), 24% o-swing (24% career). Also, 21% K rate (23% career) and 12% BB rate (15% career).
Of all of those plate discipline statistics, Grandal underperformed his career mark on exactly one of them.
Sal Perez is my only issue. You get a nice discount on him in drafts, as far as catchers go. And even if he only hits his 50th percentile ZIPs projection you are still filling that C spot with very valuable production. I’m buying all day son, all day.
Castellanos has been a debate for me. He’s a historically good hitter in a good offense, in a good park, and with a good hitting coach. He clearly wasn’t comfortable last year. When his timing is off he pulls ground balls foul because of his swing path. I was hoping to see a difference this spring, but he continues to pound the foul balls on middle-in pitches that he hit into the gap in past years.
I have given up trying to predict what he is going to do next. But I suppose that’s what happens when you don’t walk much.
I agree with Dan on Castellanos. A lot of optimism on a bounce back season, but I think his internal numbers say he may have lost his power stroke. I know he got pegged in the wrist last season and his power was zapped after he recovered. Maybe that and he says he was uncomfortable in Philly was it, I don’t know, we will have to see.
I also agree with you on Gallo. As a Twins fan, I hope that prediction doesn’t come true.
Goldschmidt and Walker seem like blatantly obvious picks to decline from last year. Gallo and Castellanos can’t really be considered potential busts, right? How much worse could they play this year? IMO last year‘s list was far more bold.
Dan, I enjoy these articles and appreciate the candor and effort you put into the sleeper and bust content. Do you evaluate a list of players with the largest gap between their 50th and 80th or 20th percentile projections as input into sleeper and bust candidates?
Whether Goldschmidt busts or not, ZIPS sees him fading very quickly:
2022: 7.1 WAR (actual)
2023: 4.3 WAR
2024: 3.0 WAR
2025: 1.8 WAR
I guess that shouldn’t be surprising for someone in his age 34-37 seasons, but it will make his HOF case more precarious than I’d have expected. After his age 37 season, he’ll have about 67 bWAR, a great peak (45.7 WAR7), an MVP, and 4 gold gloves. On the merits, he’s a slam dunk.
But he also would have 380 HR, 2,139 hits, 1,282 RBIs. From that projection, it doesn’t look like he’ll add much beyond that. Those traditional counting stats from a 1B might look underwhelming to some voters. I guess by the time he’s up for induction, we’ll have a better idea of how he’ll fare from what happens with Votto.
For Goldschmidt, is the prediction that he’ll perform worse than his 4.3 WAR ZIPS projection? Because that’s already a drop-off of 2.8 WAR from last year and would be his worst total (adjusting 2020) since 2019. That would be a real bummer.