The 2025 Season Is O’s-ver

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At the end of April, I wrote about whether the Baltimore Orioles could salvage the 2025 season after a dreadful start. Their record stood at 11-17, a decent-sized hole to be sure, but it wasn’t deep enough to be considered a grave. Baltimore still had a chance to turn things around and make a playoff run, so long as the team started winning quickly. Now, nearly two months later, the O’s are 10 wins under .500, and considering we’re one week away from July, the mathematical task to get back into the race is daunting.

The Orioles have actually played better baseball lately, which highlights the fundamental problem with getting to play meaningful games in October. I’d call May 24 their nadir, when the first loss of a doubleheader dropped them to a 16-34 record, just barely ahead of the White Sox, and a 110-loss pace. Charm City has seen some abysmal teams, but only two years of Baltimore baseball featured at least 110 losses; those were 2018 and 2021, during the franchise’s notoriously painful rebuild. Even the 1988 Orioles, who infamously started the season by dropping 21 straight games, recovered enough to manage 54 wins! Beginning with the second game of that May 24 doubleheader, Baltimore has put up a solid 18-10 record. While that sounds promising, it’s actually kind of bad news when we’re talking playoffs. Those 28 games represent just under a fifth of an entire season, and playing really well over this stretch was only enough to increase the team’s playoff probability from 1.5% to 4.4% using the FanGraphs Depth Charts odds, and from 2.6% to 5.0% in the ZiPS projected standings.

A lot of the talk about the Orioles was that if they could just get adequate pitching, they could turn the season around. Well, they certainly did get that over this time period, with the most WAR of any pitching staff in baseball!

Team Pitching, 5/24-6/23
Team W L IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 ERA FIP WAR
Orioles 17 10 237.0 9.80 2.70 0.87 3.46 3.15 4.6
Braves 11 15 229.3 10.67 3.02 0.98 3.45 3.27 4.1
Astros 18 8 233.3 11.07 2.74 1.31 3.70 3.63 4.0
Rangers 13 13 229.7 7.92 2.63 0.82 3.25 3.46 3.9
Cardinals 14 13 242.0 7.74 2.42 0.89 4.28 3.55 3.6
Padres 14 14 249.7 8.58 3.39 0.94 3.89 3.81 3.5
Pirates 13 14 238.3 7.40 2.76 0.94 3.47 3.79 3.4
Giants 14 12 230.7 9.17 3.36 0.86 3.24 3.50 3.3
Angels 13 14 241.3 8.73 3.43 1.19 3.80 4.11 3.1
Rays 18 9 242.7 9.05 2.37 1.19 3.26 3.74 2.9
Brewers 18 8 234.0 8.88 3.27 1.12 3.42 3.92 2.9
Phillies 13 13 230.3 8.13 2.97 1.33 4.26 4.24 2.6
Cubs 15 11 234.0 7.27 2.27 1.19 3.69 4.05 2.6
Mets 15 12 241.0 8.18 3.73 0.93 3.88 3.98 2.5
Red Sox 13 13 231.7 8.62 3.85 1.13 3.88 4.20 2.4
Yankees 14 13 240.7 8.79 2.73 1.27 3.78 4.04 2.4
Reds 15 11 227.7 7.99 3.20 1.30 4.15 4.45 2.4
Royals 10 15 222.7 8.45 3.40 1.05 4.12 3.94 2.4
Tigers 16 10 230.3 8.09 2.85 1.09 3.87 3.91 2.2
Marlins 11 15 231.3 7.59 2.88 1.01 3.93 3.97 2.1
Guardians 10 15 218.7 8.27 3.66 0.99 3.58 4.05 2.0
White Sox 8 19 237.0 7.59 3.57 1.18 4.56 4.45 2.0
Twins 8 19 237.7 8.03 3.22 1.44 6.17 4.56 1.8
Blue Jays 16 10 229.0 8.88 3.66 1.18 4.36 4.22 1.5
Dodgers 16 11 241.0 7.95 3.62 1.38 4.48 4.73 1.3
Diamondbacks 14 12 230.7 8.54 3.32 1.37 4.88 4.44 1.1
Rockies 9 17 230.0 7.00 3.40 1.49 5.13 4.88 0.7
Nationals 9 18 240.0 7.54 2.85 1.65 4.80 4.95 0.6
Athletics 10 17 236.7 7.61 3.54 1.56 5.63 5.02 -0.4
Mariners 11 15 233.3 8.41 2.97 1.81 4.47 4.97 -0.4

In other words, a key condition to getting back into the race has been fulfilled for the last month and… it still just barely moved the needle.

Another positive of the last month or so was Adley Rutschman, who had finally caught fire after a brutal start to the season. The All-Star catcher had an 84 wRC+ through May 20, as Davy Andrews noted earlier today, but has a mark of 129 since then. Unfortunately, Rutschman was placed on the IL over the weekend with a left oblique strain and is expected to be out through the All-Star break.

For all these reasons, even though Baltimore’s chances of reaching the playoffs aren’t exactly zero, the odds are long enough that it’s hard to make the case for staying the course or trying to improve for this season. The 2024 Tigers, of course, made an improbable postseason run and then took out the Astros in the Wild Card Series, but it would be irresponsible to use that Detroit team as evidence to inspire a similar turnaround. At this time last year, the Tigers were only five games below .500, and at their worst, they were nine games under — only half as bad as the Orioles were at their lowest point this season. And even then, the Tigers didn’t act like they had a real shot at the playoffs. Before the deadline, they traded Jack Flaherty, Carson Kelly, Andrew Chafin, and Mark Canha to contending clubs for prospects.

If this were fundamentally the end of the line for this O’s core, I could see the argument for rolling the dice and trying to make one final push for the playoffs, even if banking on that outcome would be a wild gamble. But most of Baltimore’s impactful offensive players are set to return next season, so there isn’t any cause for desperation. Moreover, it doesn’t look like next year’s team will have remotely enough pitching to support its lineup, either. Here are the updated 2026 ZiPS projections for the plausible in-house rotation candidates:

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2026 ZiPS Projections – Orioles Starting Pitcher Candidates
Player Age W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA+ FIP WAR
Kyle Bradish 29 6 4 3.59 19 19 100.3 87 44 40 10 32 97 111 3.74 1.8
Grayson Rodriguez 26 6 5 3.83 18 18 98.7 89 46 42 12 30 104 104 3.78 1.5
Cade Povich 26 8 7 4.23 26 26 132.0 125 68 62 16 48 127 94 4.06 1.4
Dean Kremer 30 8 9 4.36 26 26 138.3 139 73 67 19 45 113 91 4.41 1.2
Trevor Rogers 28 5 5 4.44 22 22 107.3 109 58 53 13 37 87 89 4.33 0.9
Brandon Young 27 4 4 4.34 20 19 83.0 82 44 40 11 28 73 92 4.33 0.8
Tyler Wells 31 4 4 4.50 20 14 76.0 70 41 38 12 23 64 88 4.57 0.5
Chayce McDermott 27 4 6 4.68 20 17 82.7 75 47 43 10 48 84 85 4.64 0.4
Roansy Contreras 26 4 5 4.46 35 11 84.7 83 46 42 12 31 70 89 4.61 0.4
Kyle Brnovich 28 3 5 4.78 19 15 81.0 80 47 43 11 33 67 83 4.84 0.3
Patrick Reilly 24 4 4 4.81 20 19 78.7 76 46 42 11 37 66 83 5.00 0.3

Nobody here currently projects to reach 2.0 WAR in 2026, and neither of the Orioles’ top two pitchers — Kyle Bradish and Grayson Rodriguez — has thrown a pitch in 2025 due to injury. Bradish was excellent in 2023 and still has upside, but 2026 will be his first full season back from Tommy John surgery. Rodriguez, whom I’m as high on as anyone, has seen his season derailed by elbow inflammation and now lat issues. A team with playoff aspirations can hope for both to return in top form, but it would be reckless to count on it.

The organization is also devoid of pitching talent in the upper minors, so reinforcements aren’t on the way from within, and as this past offseason made clear, there’s no guarantee that Baltimore will improve its pitching through free agency. Instead, trading players who are eligible to hit free agency at the end of this season would give this team an opportunity to add some arms who could contribute to the 2026 or 2027 pitching staffs. Including the Orioles, there are currently eight teams with less than a 5% chance of making the playoffs, according to our Depth Charts odds; of those eight clubs, the O’s have some of the best deadline players to offer. Selling this summer could set them up well for the short-term future.

Below are the rest-of-season projections for all the players on those eight teams who are eligible to hit free agency after 2025 or 2026.

ZiPS RoS – 2025/2026 FA, Teams <5% Playoff Odds
Player Team BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B HR RBI BB SB wRC+ OPS+ WAR
Cedric Mullins BAL .241 .313 .418 232 32 56 12 9 33 23 11 104 108 1.3
Nathaniel Lowe WAS .264 .342 .410 273 32 72 11 9 38 31 1 118 113 1.1
Luis Urías ATH .236 .329 .385 195 25 46 8 7 22 23 2 111 100 1.1
Ryan O’Hearn BAL .276 .341 .463 203 28 56 9 9 30 19 2 126 129 1.0
Taylor Ward LAA .239 .314 .448 259 37 62 13 13 39 27 2 111 111 1.0
Ramón Laureano BAL .251 .319 .443 167 23 42 9 7 23 13 4 114 117 0.9
Ramón Urías BAL .259 .324 .410 166 20 43 8 5 22 15 1 106 110 0.9
Yoán Moncada LAA .242 .326 .408 157 20 38 9 5 21 18 1 107 105 0.8
Miguel Andujar ATH .277 .319 .419 191 22 53 10 5 23 11 2 114 106 0.8
Isiah Kiner-Falefa PIT .269 .318 .352 219 25 59 10 2 19 12 7 91 86 0.8
Travis d’Arnaud LAA .226 .291 .394 137 15 31 8 5 17 10 0 91 90 0.8
Michael A. Taylor CHA .216 .284 .359 153 20 33 5 5 16 14 6 79 80 0.8
Gio Urshela ATH .264 .304 .382 178 16 47 10 3 20 11 0 98 92 0.7
Jorge Mateo BAL .223 .268 .374 139 19 31 8 3 14 8 12 76 83 0.7
Mike Tauchman CHA .238 .348 .384 151 25 36 8 4 16 24 2 110 107 0.7
Dylan Carlson BAL .244 .330 .372 172 23 42 8 4 23 20 3 100 102 0.6
Andrew McCutchen PIT .239 .338 .388 201 25 48 9 7 24 29 2 109 102 0.6
Scott Kingery LAA .232 .286 .370 181 23 42 6 5 20 13 5 79 83 0.6
Seth Brown ATH .240 .300 .443 183 21 44 8 9 26 15 2 114 106 0.6
LaMonte Wade Jr. LAA .228 .340 .386 171 23 39 7 6 21 28 1 106 104 0.5
Jorge Soler LAA .222 .312 .413 230 32 51 11 11 33 28 0 104 102 0.5
Thairo Estrada COL .263 .307 .403 186 25 49 9 5 25 8 4 84 88 0.5
Paul DeJong WAS .202 .261 .363 168 19 34 6 7 20 11 2 76 75 0.5
Orlando Arcia COL .247 .302 .387 194 20 48 9 6 25 15 1 78 82 0.4
Austin Slater CHA .240 .333 .375 104 15 25 5 3 11 13 2 102 100 0.4
Adam Frazier PIT .247 .310 .351 194 23 48 9 3 18 15 3 87 84 0.4
Luis Rengifo LAA .245 .295 .351 208 23 51 8 4 22 13 6 80 81 0.4
Sam Hilliard COL .231 .303 .425 186 26 43 9 7 25 20 5 86 92 0.4
Ryan Mountcastle BAL .255 .299 .413 235 28 60 13 8 31 15 1 98 103 0.3
Austin Wynns ATH .238 .304 .357 84 9 20 4 2 10 7 0 94 86 0.3
Josh Bell WAS .229 .312 .396 245 28 56 9 10 31 28 0 104 99 0.3
Josh Rojas CHA .228 .305 .328 180 23 41 9 3 16 20 5 78 79 0.3
Kyle Farmer COL .244 .303 .384 172 17 42 10 4 21 11 1 78 82 0.2
Amed Rosario WAS .267 .300 .376 202 24 54 9 3 21 8 5 92 91 0.2
Chris Taylor LAA .226 .311 .361 133 19 30 7 3 15 15 3 90 88 0.1
Gary Sánchez BAL .214 .297 .389 131 15 28 5 6 19 13 0 94 96 0.1
Anthony Rendon LAA .240 .333 .333 75 8 18 4 1 7 9 1 92 89 0.1
Kevin Newman LAA .236 .280 .329 140 16 33 7 2 12 8 3 67 70 0.1
Tommy Pham PIT .235 .306 .352 196 24 46 9 4 18 20 4 88 83 -0.1

ZiPS RoS – 2025/2026 FA, Teams <5% Playoff Odds
Player NewTm W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO FIP ERA+ WAR
Zach Eflin BAL 4 4 3.89 13 12 71.7 71 33 31 10 12 56 3.88 102 1.0
Tyler Anderson LAA 3 4 4.42 13 13 75.3 74 40 37 11 27 61 4.51 94 0.8
Andrew Heaney PIT 3 4 4.36 14 13 66.0 65 34 32 10 22 57 4.46 96 0.8
Tomoyuki Sugano BAL 4 4 4.11 10 10 61.3 66 30 28 10 11 39 4.47 97 0.7
Trevor Rogers BAL 2 2 4.26 13 13 61.3 62 31 29 7 22 51 4.03 93 0.6
Cal Quantrill MIA 4 5 4.79 13 13 67.7 72 39 36 9 26 50 4.62 91 0.6
Caleb Ferguson PIT 1 1 3.14 32 1 28.7 24 11 10 1 11 29 2.93 133 0.6
Martín Pérez CHA 2 2 4.34 12 10 56.0 58 29 27 6 21 42 4.16 93 0.6
Keegan Akin BAL 1 1 3.41 27 2 34.3 29 14 13 4 10 39 3.24 117 0.6
Adrian Houser CHA 3 3 4.36 13 9 53.7 52 28 26 6 20 39 4.32 93 0.5
Aaron Civale CHA 2 5 5.59 12 12 58.0 69 39 36 10 19 49 4.69 82 0.5
David Bednar PIT 2 2 3.34 31 0 29.7 26 12 11 3 10 34 3.17 126 0.5
Dennis Santana PIT 1 1 3.52 29 1 30.7 26 13 12 2 11 29 3.17 119 0.5
Austin Gomber COL 2 2 5.10 11 10 54.7 60 33 31 9 16 40 4.65 87 0.4
Germán Márquez COL 4 5 5.19 11 11 59.0 64 36 34 7 21 46 4.19 86 0.4
Charlie Morton BAL 4 5 4.73 14 13 72.3 70 41 38 10 31 71 4.45 84 0.4
Andrew Kittredge BAL 1 1 3.51 27 0 25.7 25 11 10 4 7 24 4.13 113 0.3
Gregory Soto BAL 2 1 3.58 31 0 27.7 23 12 11 2 11 32 3.08 111 0.3
Brock Burke LAA 2 2 4.02 27 1 31.3 29 15 14 4 11 31 3.87 104 0.3
Michael Soroka WAS 3 3 4.72 13 8 47.7 45 27 25 7 17 45 4.38 86 0.3
Kyle Finnegan WAS 2 1 3.77 29 0 28.7 27 13 12 3 10 26 3.74 108 0.3
Sean Newcomb OAK 1 2 4.18 12 2 23.7 27 12 11 2 11 22 3.80 98 0.3
Derek Law WAS 1 1 4.00 24 1 27.0 27 13 12 3 10 23 4.00 102 0.2
Tyler Alexander CHA 4 4 4.88 16 6 55.3 58 32 30 10 13 46 4.54 83 0.2
Kenley Jansen LAA 2 1 4.01 26 0 24.7 21 12 11 4 9 26 4.26 104 0.2
Seranthony Dominguez BAL 2 1 3.90 29 0 27.7 23 13 12 4 13 31 4.20 102 0.2
Tim Mayza PIT 0 1 3.98 24 0 20.3 21 10 9 2 7 16 3.92 105 0.2
Andrew Chafin WAS 1 1 4.01 28 0 24.7 23 12 11 3 14 26 4.34 101 0.1
Kyle Hendricks LAA 3 5 5.23 13 12 62.0 68 39 36 10 18 43 4.76 80 0.1
José Leclerc OAK 1 1 4.21 24 0 25.7 22 13 12 4 13 29 4.44 98 0.1
Trevor Williams WAS 3 4 5.18 11 10 48.7 54 30 28 7 15 38 4.40 79 0.1
T.J. McFarland OAK 0 1 4.50 27 0 22.0 24 12 11 2 7 15 4.08 91 0.0
Tyler Kinley COL 1 2 5.40 28 0 26.7 26 17 16 4 14 28 4.58 83 -0.2

Not every player on this list will be seriously shopped. For example, I don’t expect the Angels to throw in the towel on 2025 unless July is a disaster; if anything, I could see them soft buying, as Mike Trout isn’t getting any younger. There are also some potential trade candidates who aren’t listed above, such as Sandy Alcantara, and more teams will enter the fold in the coming weeks; after a few recent injuries to key contributors, the Diamondbacks seem more likely to sell than their playoff odds would suggest. But I think overall this is a good, quick look at the types of players who could be available at the deadline.

As you probably assumed, the Orioles have a few of the best hitters to offer before the deadline. Cedric Mullins and Ryan O’Hearn would be great additions to almost every contending club’s lineup, and many postseason hopefuls could certainly benefit from acquiring depth pieces like Ramón Laureano, Ramón Urias, Jorge Mateo, and Dylan Carlson. The O’s also have the top ZiPS-projected pitcher on these eight teams, and three of the top five pitchers overall. There’s always the option to hold onto these guys in order to sign them long-term, but if that’s the case, Baltimore should be negotiating extensions right now instead of trying to bring them back after they’ve hit free agency. If the two sides can’t work out an extension over the next month and a week before the deadline, then the O’s should trade them.

Despite some red flags in the rotation, there were plenty of reasons to like the Orioles when this season began. Things just haven’t worked out. But that doesn’t mean they are destined for another extended playoff drought. Indeed, the foundation is still there for them to win, as long as they properly build upon it. This season is over. It’s time to focus on 2026 and beyond.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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OkraMember since 2016
1 year ago

Has there ever been a more sad group of players likely to be traded at the deadline? Seems way below average. These 8 teams really don’t have much to offer.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Okra

There might still be more if the D-Backs or Twins or another team falls out of contention.

But aside from Mullins, O’Hearn, Lowe, and Taylor Ward (the last two of whom probably won’t be available) I don’t know that I would want to trade for any of the players on either list. The bad teams somehow don’t have any good players to trade who are coming on free agency.

The pitching is particularly atrocious. Someone will want Andrew Heaney, and Zach Eflin was good last year so maybe people think they’ll bounce back, but who is going to trade for Tyler Anderson or Cal Quantrill?

It’s not like these are the only good players on those teams, the Athletics and Nationals and Pirates have some talent, but so many teams are reluctant to trade anyone with more than a couple years of team control, and sometimes even with more than a year of team control. I have a hard time imagining the Pirates trading Mitch Keller or Bryan Reynolds, much less Paul Skenes.

Last edited 1 year ago by sadtrombone
JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Seems like the perfect year for a contender to trade from a surplus then

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Keller and Reynolds are more likely to be moved in the offseason with a new GM (fingers crossed). Bednar might be good again, so I’m sure he’s more likely to be moved.

Last edited 1 year ago by gettwobrute79
maguroMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Bednar has been lights out since he came back from the minors, he’s virtually certain to be moved.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

If they really want to jump-start their rebuild they should trade Skenes. That would be Herschel Walker territory.

I’m pretty sure the trade return would be higher than what the Padres sent out for Juan Soto, and we saw how that worked out.

Like, the Red Sox have seven prospects on that list that are FV50 or higher, and I think the Pirates could get all of them except Marcelo Mayer and Richard Fitts. And that might not be the end of it…I wouldn’t be surprised if they got some or all of Casas, Kyle Harrison, Jhostynxon Garcia, Connelly Early, Mikey Romero, etc.

But I don’t think they will. They need someone to bring fans to the park every fifth day.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If you trade Skenes now, you may as well fold the goddamn franchise. Seriously.

Given how poor BC’s trade record has been, I wouldn’t want him making that trade to begin with. He’d probably tack on dead money like Hayes to a deal to bring down the return.

Not to mention, no team is going to pay a fair price in prospects for Skenes to begin with. Simply for the reason you laid out: it guts not just their farm system, but their depth.

Last edited 1 year ago by gettwobrute79
sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

I think folding the franchise is also a pretty good idea.

The park is too nice to not have a tenant, though.

basically baseballMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There is no worse idea than trading Skenes and only those who hate the Pirates would even think about it. He is the only reason for anyone to watch this team.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago

But those guys they trade for, they could be anything! One of them could even develop into Paul Skenes!

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
1 year ago

Those who don’t like the Pirates or those who have a fascination with the accumulation of assets or prospects.

section144
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Keller and Bednar are goners at this deadline & Cherington will be the GM. You can take that to the bank.

If I had to guess, it’s the Cubs. Probably something like Shaw & Caissie as the return.

RobertMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Not an exciting list of relievers but I could see some being traded (though not for much of anything)

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert

Dennis Santana would be a very good player for the Pirates to trade.

Same with the Marlins and Anthony Bender. There’s no real reason for them to hang on to them until they revert to their career norms (Bender has negative fWAR).

I could see the Orioles moving Felix Bautista for a big package. If you have a high-minors FV50+ starter plus 2-3 other prospects to trade that could even be a win-win.

If the Twins fall out of it I bet Danny Coulombe would get a lot of attention, and he would come cheaper.

jdbolickMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There is absolutely zero chance of the Orioles trading Bautista. They want to compete in 2026, and Felix is the most popular player on the roster.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Orioles are pretty coldly rational about this stuff, which IMO works better when you’re rebuilding than when you are adding. I guess it depends what part of the cycle you think they are in.

CosmoMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Do you think somebody offers Texas an offer they can’t refuse for DeGrom? Might be the perfect time to unload that contract.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Cosmo

If I were the Rangers and I was selling (which is not at all what I think they’re going to do) I would do that in a heartbeat. It’s only a matter of time before his arm blows up again, he’s 37, and he’s pitching great. He needs to go to a team that really wants to win this year and is willing to give up some prospects for eating a little bit of money. Like the Cubs, Giants, Blue Jays, or Padres.

Would be super funny if he went back to the Mets, but who knows if the Mets (or DeGrom) would want that.

waiverwirewizardMember since 2023
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Hasnt pitched over 100 innings since 2018… odds are certainly against him being healthy

Jonathan Vander LugtMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think Isiah Kiner-Falefa would be a good fit for this year’s Tigers. If Baez doesn’t keep his head above water, there is basically no good internal fit.

He’s not a world-beater but a second-division regular is better than what Sweeney has been this year and what Baez has been the last three.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Okra

Among pending FAs? Yeah, but some of those teams have some intriguing pieces with years of control.

SpuriosityMember since 2025
1 year ago

Rogers looked great last night, if he can string together a couple of good starts it’ll be an interesting decision whether to move him. IMO he’s better than Kremer and Povich and keeping him would improve their 2026 rotation outlook, but like Bradish and Rodriguez he’s a huge injury question mark so maybe it makes sense to cash in on him while he’s healthy.

McPontiffMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Spuriosity

If I’m Elias, I’m holding onto Rogers in the hopes he helps eat innings next year, (and there’s still hope for a breakout! That would flip the finger to those Stowers-trade-haters).

And I’m soooo happy Dan didn’t utter the given name of the man we know fondly as The Mountain (as people who don’t follow us closely sometimes bring him up in pieces like this, not knowing trading him would be a fireable offense for the sheepish GM)

waiverwirewizardMember since 2023
1 year ago
Reply to  McPontiff

They need to extend the man or risk a bidding war i dont think they win

AlbyMember since 2017
1 year ago

Not just that, they’ve got him until ’28, and they intend to contend every year from now until then. The article was about trading people with a foot out the door, not everything-must-go.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I am pretty sure that Luis Urias is not going to put up 1.1 WAR for the rest of the season or even close to it. Even if he stays healthy, which he probably won’t, his defense is not good enough for that.

Somewhat related to that, somehow he put up -2 OAA in 35 innings at third base. Which is not his true talent level, because how could it be, but it gives you a sense of the magnitude of his defensive abilities out there.

I went over to Statcast. He had a tough time out of there, his estimated success rate was only 61% (it’s usually in the 70s) but his actual success rate was only 47%. Wow! Looks like he lost both on the “lateral toward 1B” measurement.

McPontiffMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

This is exemplary of how utterly SKETCH I think defensive metrics are. I watch every game, and although winning the Gold Glove a few years ago was pretty flukey, he still rates as PLUS at the hot corner in my book. The weakness is range, yes, but the hands are quick, and his throws are almost always waist high with zip (can’t say the same for all of our IFs). I definitely feel better with him at 3rd than Westy at this point, and the pitchers have singled him out as a reassuring presence.
Homerist rant over and out! 🙂

branflakesMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  McPontiff

Color this Brewer fan skeptical that Urias is a plus defender at 3B now. He was okay at 2B for the crew, but his arm severely limits his defensive potential at 3B.
According to statcast he still has a weak arm, so I dont see it.

Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  McPontiff

I sense confusion here – the sad one is referring to the A’s Luis Urias, and you to the O’s Ramon Urias.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

Yeah absolutely none of that comment makes sense any other way.

FWIW, I think Ramon Urias is super underrated, although I think he’s much better at second base than at third.

markakis21
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Perhaps, but I am pretty sure that Ramon will.

Scotty GMember since 2020
1 year ago

As a White Sox fan, I really feel for the O’s fan base. This is exactly how it went down on the South Side a few years ago. Did the hard work to build a young core, made a couple playoff appearances, didn’t do anything in free agency to fill obvious holes, got off to a slow start, told ourselves next year will be better with the same core, knowing ownership isn’t going to spend the money.

jdbolickMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Scotty G

didn’t do anything in free agency to fill obvious holes, got off to a slow start, told ourselves next year will be better with the same core, knowing ownership isn’t going to spend the money.

Baltimore increased payroll this winter by more than any other team in baseball except the Dodgers.

dangledangleMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

But a lot of that was on arb raises, this core is on a ticking clock. Their obvious holes were in the rotation and they got a bunch of luke warm leftovers and called it good. The money on the O’Neill signing would have been better used addressing the rotation.

It really does feel eerily similar to the end of the White Sox. The one difference is that the Os still have some young prospects cycling in but none that can help the rotation.

jdbolickMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  dangledangle

But a lot of that was on arb raises

No, it wasn’t. How do blatantly false comments like this get upvoted on FanGraphs? The Orioles gave out $16.8 million in arbitration increases before this season. They added $63 million to the 2025 payroll via free agency.

The money on the O’Neill signing would have been better used addressing the rotation.

The O’Neill signing was intended to address the lineup’s persistent struggles against left-handed pitching, something he has been extremely good against in his career. Elias offered Corbin Burnes the highest AAV of any non-Ohtani pitcher in the history of the sport even after signing O’Neill, so he had nothing to do with what they spent on pitching.

It really does feel eerily similar to the end of the White Sox. 

No, it doesn’t feel anything even remotely like that. You’re reaching for equivalencies that do not actually apply.

McPontiffMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

… but absolutely pilfered it, like a drunken sailor on leave! (almost $50 million to the world’s most Beta bodybuilder?) I like the old guy pitchers — IF I was a Marlins fan! Elias REALLY blew it for me when he didn’t go all in for landing Crochet (the pieces to get it done were THERE … still are)

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  McPontiff

I do get each pitching move in isolation – Burnes wanted to play in Arizona and they offered over $200M so would be hard to top, maybe the White Sox valued what the Red Sox offered for Crochet higher than anything the Orioles could offer, Morton on a 1 year deal, you’re not going to outbid the Yankees after they were spurned by Soto, etc.

However, when you end up with that projected rotation on what should be a contender, well, somethings gone seriously wrong. (Though the lineup not being great is perhaps more of a problem – you knew the rotation wasn’t a strength… but if the line isn’t mashing you’ve got really problems)

AlbyMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

It doesn’t help when the guy you squander two good prospects for turns into a pumpkin. If Trevor Rogers had performed like a standard mid-rotation started they’d be in less of a fix. I don’t think they’ll sell this low on him, given his recent signs of life and their long-term need for starters.

jdbolickMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  McPontiff

 Elias REALLY blew it for me when he didn’t go all in for landing Crochet (the pieces to get it done were THERE … still are)

The White Sox demanded Basallo for Crochet, which I wouldn’t have done then and I still wouldn’t do now.

McPontiffMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Where’s that rumor been substantiated? It was assumed, but one would think Elias could put together a healthy-enough package of players without him (also odd that Chicago would draw that particular line in the sand as Catcher is their system’s DEEPEST position)  

jdbolickMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  McPontiff

It’s odd that you think it’s odd given that the highest rated prospect they traded Crochet for was also a catcher (Kyle Teel). Getz did the same thing the previous winter when Elias approached him about Cease, as Getz demanded Holliday and was unwilling to accept any offer without him.

CosmoMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Scotty G

As a Cubs fan, I thought the start of their rebuild was great. And then they quit building when the team was ~80% built and left obvious holes (2b, defense, corner OF). Getz seems more focused on defense, so maybe they have a chance. Even as a Cubs fan, I wish Jerry would sell. That team needs new energy so bad.

ThomasMember since 2017🏆 MVP
1 year ago
Reply to  Cosmo

As a fellow Cubs fan I mostly agree with you. But I think you mean to say there is a hole at 3B, not 2B.

Maybe?

markakis21
1 year ago
Reply to  Scotty G

And of course, the last part is, the white sox core fell apart. Tim Anderson, Yoan Moncada, and Eloy Jimenez were great players just a few years ago! Now they are backups, minor leaguers, journeymen.

The same is starting to happen in Baltimore. The young core of players just kinda blows.

Shalesh
1 year ago
Reply to  Scotty G

Not true. They signed Hendricks as the closer, drafted Madrigal for 2B, signed Grandal for C, traded for Lance Lynn. Zips projected the White Sox to win the AL Central by 10 games in 2022. The White Sox payroll was north of $190M in 2022 and 2023.

White Sox fans seem to think the team has the revenue of the Cubs when the team actually has the revenue of the Pirates. They spent almost twice what the Pirates normally spend. The core just collapsed.

markakis21
1 year ago

But most of Baltimore’s impactful offensive players are set to return next season, so there isn’t any cause for desperation.

But this is kind of the problem? The “impactful players” on offense have generally been pretty bad. Mullins, Laureano, and O’Hearn are most of the bright spots, and they are all free agents after the season. Nothing about this season gives me hope that they’ll have a good offense next year.

AlbyMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  markakis21

Injuries have played a part, and young players’ performance fluctuates. It’s too early to proclaim Henderson, Holliday, Westburg and Cowser failures. And while youngsters like Mayo don’t look good, neither did Stowers at first. It’s a lost season, don’t catastrophize it into a lost decade.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Alby

Man, I hope against hope that my team can have a failure akin to Gunnar Henderson…we’d gladly take him off their hands

danwithoppMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason B

Jackson Holliday is also on pace to put up 2 WAR in his age 21 season. That’s the kind of failure every team in baseball spends millions of dollars trying to find.

MoMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  markakis21

It’s crazy that for all the orioles problems this year, their pending free agents have been terrific.

I hate to say it, but the sell off should start soon before Mullins, o’hearn and Lareano return to their true talent levels. (To clarify, they are all good players I just don’t expect them to be this good).

Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
1 year ago

I still think it’s too soon to give up on the Orioles. I think they should wait until the all star break to see where they stand before selling.

The AL wild card race is wide open and Baltimore can get back in it simply get getting to .500 by September.

They do have several key pieces in the final year of their contracts. Way more than I thought. Wow. This is a complicated picture for Elias and his team to figure out.

Dave TMember since 2016
1 year ago

Getting to .500 by September 1 sounds simple, but it’s a tall task for a team starting from the Orioles’ current position of 12 games under .500. Getting back to .500 requires 2 months of winning games at a slightly over .600 winning percentage (98 win pace). And that achievement still might only put them on the fringes of playoff contention, depending on other teams’ performances, because they have to pass 7 teams for the final AL Wild Card spot.

I see the attraction of saying “wait and see at the All-Star break”, but that’s not a risk-free option. Beyond considerations such as injury risk, there’s also the chance of the market shifting if a couple teams move into the seller camp due to poor records over the next few weeks. Dan mentions the Diamondbacks, for example. Naylor and Suarez are both FA’s after this season and would be near the top of this position player chart.

Travis LMember since 2016
1 year ago

Padres line up well, having black hole in LF, could use some additional 1B/DH energy, for O’Hearn and Mullins. They could use Gary Sanchez too, but with Adley out, that’ll be harder to get done. Preller should be burning up the O’s phone lines, as this is the year they should be pushing all-in.

MoMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Travis L

Pads have the need but do they have the prospects? O’hearn and Mullins might be the two best players traded. They could each fetch a 50 FV prospect, which would have to be Salas or de vries.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
1 year ago
Reply to  Mo

Mullins gets a 50 back? Are we looking at the same player?

Shalesh
1 year ago

Yeah, expiring bats don’t return much. I remember JD Martinez returning an FV40 to the Tigers from the Astros and Manny Machado returning 4 FV40’s from the Dodgers to the Orioles.

Maybe O’Hearn and Mullins can return FV45’s since they’re so much better than what else is available.

Last edited 1 year ago by Shalesh
stevena
1 year ago

Not sure what those values are supposed to represent but they are sharply at odds with the ’25 performance of many on the list, at least the O’s players that I follow. E.g. Morton is 41, giving up 1.5 more runs than the ‘projection’, would cost 5$mm after deadline, and features on zero teams’ shopping lists.

Sleepy
1 year ago

OAK in the pitcher chart!

Sell the team, John.