The A’s Just Added a Cheap Breakout Slugger
Last year, the A’s couldn’t play defense. Matt Joyce isn’t really going to help with that. Last year, the A’s couldn’t keep their pitchers healthy. Matt Joyce isn’t really going to help with that. And, last year, the A’s couldn’t hit very much. Matt Joyce is probably going to help with that.
Here’s the deal — around this time of year, we write about a lot of transactions. We don’t write about every transaction, but we cover the majority of multi-year free-agent signings. Not every one of those signings is interesting. It took me forever to find something to say about Edinson Volquez, and I don’t even like the post that I wrote. Joyce has now signed with the A’s for two years and $11 million, meaning he got half of Volquez’s guarantee. Many of you have figured out this is a post about Joyce, and so you want to just leave and read anything else. But this one is interesting. Joyce is interesting. A few times during the season, I wanted to write him up, but I never got around to it. Now I have a reason, as the A’s might’ve found another cleanup hitter.
The A’s already did this once — they took a chance on Danny Valencia’s late breakout, and it went pretty well. Valencia figured out how to be a more complete hitter at 30. It seems like Joyce figured out how to be a more complete hitter at 31. Usually, you don’t want to buy into these things, but Joyce has a compelling story to tell. For $11 million, this is worth Oakland’s investment.
Even just eyeballing things, Joyce is odd. He was always a pretty good hitter, then he joined the Angels and tanked. Two years ago, by WAR, Joyce was one of the 10 worst position players in the game. Last year, with the Pirates, Joyce was about even in wRC+ with Robinson Cano and Corey Seager. He led all of baseball in walk rate, and he led by a considerable margin. Of all the players who were regulars or semi-regulars in both 2015 and 2016, no one saw a larger wRC+ increase than Joyce, who went up by 76 points. Jean Segura came in second. Segura got more attention, because he played every day. Joyce might’ve just earned a bigger role.
If you take the cold and boring approach, Joyce has recently been up and down, but his three-year wRC+ is 105. His projected wRC+ is 103. There you go — classic Matt Joyce. Uninteresting player. The kind of player you get for $11 million. I won’t blame anyone for deferring to the projection, but Joyce is his own player, with his own tale. His tale is one of a re-worked swing. I feel like there’s an increasing number of these guys. Joyce was embarrassed by his 2015, so he worked hard to put it behind him.
He checks the boxes you might expect. He got instruction from the guy who worked with J.D. Martinez. He got additional instruction from the guy who worked with Josh Donaldson. Both of those players have had non-traditional aging curves, demonstrating that you don’t necessarily need to follow the normal path to success. It’s not hard to spot where Joyce made the biggest change. Here’s a home-run swing from 2015 on a pitch over the middle:
And now here’s a home-run swing from 2016 on a pitch over the middle:
So much is about the hands, and this doesn’t take a trained eye to identify. Look at Joyce’s hand position upon release:
Two years ago, when Joyce was with the Angels, his hands were high up, directly behind his head. Look below and they’re more around his chest. Here’s a side view:
It might feel like a subtle thing. And, in truth, most mechanical tweaks are subtle things. There are only so many ways to throw or swing at a baseball. But taking good hacks comes down to fractions of a second, and fractions of an inch. With the changed swing, Joyce held his hands closer to the hitting zone. There was less area for his hands and bat to cover. That would allow his swing to be more consistent, and because his hands didn’t have to come down before going back up, it was easier for Joyce to generate quality loft.
The more I look at Joyce’s 2016 swing, the more I’m reminded of somebody else:
Yeah, Adrian Gonzalez starts with his hands higher, but he lowers them pretty quick, such that, upon release, he and Joyce look almost identical. Similar hand position, similar coil. A few years ago, the story went around that Charlie Morton tried to copy Roy Halladay’s mechanics. Matt Joyce intentionally or unintentionally kind of copied Adrian Gonzalez’s mechanics. As left-handed hitters go, that’s not a bad role model.
You’ve seen the results by the overall numbers. Statcast is maybe even more supportive of the breakout. Joyce leads the next-best player in this table by a full three ticks:
| Hitter | 2015 EV | 2016 EV | Change |
|---|---|---|---|
| Matt Joyce | 86.0 | 94.3 | 8.3 |
| Sean Rodriguez | 90.1 | 95.4 | 5.3 |
| Stephen Drew | 88.4 | 93.6 | 5.2 |
| Matt Holliday | 90.1 | 95.2 | 5.1 |
| Danny Espinosa | 88.9 | 94.0 | 5.1 |
| Danny Santana | 86.5 | 91.4 | 4.9 |
| Gordon Beckham | 85.8 | 90.6 | 4.8 |
| Tucker Barnhart | 85.4 | 90.0 | 4.6 |
| Tyler Flowers | 90.3 | 94.5 | 4.2 |
| Victor Martinez | 89.0 | 92.9 | 3.9 |
Two years ago, on average exit velocity on batted balls in the air, Joyce ranked in the sixth percentile. His most flattering comp would’ve been Zack Cozart. This past year, on average exit velocity on batted balls in the air, Joyce ranked in the 90th percentile. His most flattering comp would’ve been Paul Goldschmidt. Because Joyce was a part-time player in each year, we have to hesitate just a little bit, but I don’t know how much more he could’ve done. He was stinging baseballs, he was stinging baseballs differently, and he was swinging with discipline.
To tackle the last part first — I mentioned Joyce’s league-leading walk rate. He had 59 walks and 67 strikeouts. In terms of overall swing rate, Joyce ranked in baseball’s second percentile. He was very patient in the box. However, in swing rate at pitches over the middle third in the zone, Joyce ranked in baseball’s 87th percentile. When Joyce would deploy his swings, he’s mostly deploy them against very hittable pitches. He’s not a guy who gets himself out. He showed excellent pitch selection, which helped him to put up such wonderful numbers.
And just to close things out, because there’s still more — Joyce used to be more of a pull hitter. Through 2015, Joyce had a 205 wRC+ to the pull side, and an 83 wRC+ on other batted balls. Last year, Joyce had an 82 wRC+ to the pull side, and a 239 wRC+ on other batted balls. Before last year, Joyce pulled 81 of his 93 homers. Last year, he pulled just four of his 13 homers. Joyce tried to stay up the middle, and he was strong enough to have success. This is another one of those areas where Joyce compares well to Adrian Gonzalez. The swings look similar, and the results look similar.
The only thing Matt Joyce doesn’t have is the track record. I mean, he does already have a track record of being a pretty good hitter, but he doesn’t have a track record of being this kind of hitter. Given that, and given his age, you can see how he became available to the A’s. But there’s a lot to be intrigued by here, and the A’s might feel emboldened on account of the Valencia pickup. I haven’t even mentioned it yet, but there were a few encouraging signs in Joyce’s limited playing time against southpaws. He’s long been perceived as a platoon guy, but maybe the A’s will give him more of a chance. Valencia shed the platoon label. If you grant that some players are late bloomers, perhaps they should start with a cleaner slate. Maybe Joyce liked the A’s because they were willing to offer him the least limited opportunity.
For two years and $11 million, the A’s are basically paying Joyce the going rate for a decent middle reliever. Joyce got a smaller guarantee than Eric Thames just got from the Brewers, and Thames has been playing baseball in South Korea. The market decided that Joyce isn’t awesome, and the A’s probably aren’t about to win a World Series. Could be, Joyce goes back to being a pretty boring platoon-hitting lefty. Late bloomers, though, do exist. Joyce did everything he could to prove he’s one of them. This could be another good Oakland hitter added on the cheap.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.


>He was always a pretty good hitter, then he joined the Angels and tanked.
As an Angels fan, I’ve learned that there’s one thing that all the hitters who have come to Anaheim and tanked have in common – playing for the Angels.
This used to be the Mets specialty. Solution: suck for a while, get scammed in a high profile ponzi scheme, then rebuild with a GM who only agrees to take the job if the terrible owners stop jumping in and grabbing the controls. Also, have all your pitching prospects exceed expectations. When you get close to the prize, acquire as many left fielders as possible.
Trout though!
But why? The A’s aren’t a good team and they certainly have better uses of playing time than using it on an over 30 platoon/bench bat. Another Butler-esque head scratcher.
The A’s are in exactly the position to take advantage of a player like Joyce. If he sucks, bench him. They’re not any worse off than they already were. If he breaks out, now they have an asset that they can trade if the rest of the team sucks.
Spending 11M for 8M worth of wins does make a team worse off, especially if that tea is at a part of the ‘win value’ curve where wins are actually worth less than 8m (and even more so if the team is coming off of a bad year and can easily find players projected for 0.6 WAR, with more upside, off of waivers or Rule 5).
Overpaying for mediocrity makes teams worse, narratives notwithstanding.
It’s two years for 11M (so 5.5M a year), and he was worth 10M last year in part time work.
The A’s are forever projecting somewhere around .500, so they’re not totally out of it. Joyce will cost half as much as Butler per year, and he isn’t such a negative defensively or on the bases. If he’s even an average player, he suddenly has a good chunk of asset value.
Also, their outfield sucked.
If he had any value PIT would have traded him this year. This is throwing $11 million away on a 0.5 WAR bench player (per Steamer). His 2016 was propped up by a crazy # of PH walks. Spend the money on player development and give Olson or someone with a future those 300 ABs. The A’s are terrible and the sooner they realize that the better their future will be.
“If he had any value PIT would have traded him this year.”
Yeah, that’s not how that works.
I’m confused, do you mean this past season? I’m a huge Pirates fan but that doesn’t make any sense. They were in no position to trade away key bench players as they were never in full sale mode….in fact, that bench (Rodriguez and Joyce especially) was a huge reason the 1st half of the season wasn’t a total disaster.
What does that even mean?
I guess the A’s can trade him at the deadline but I would have thought Toronto, Seattle. Dodgers, San Francisco, St Louis, Cleveland, Detroit, or Baltimore would have been a better place for him. Even the Angels.
I think Fangraphs is moving away from critiquing front office moves- especially moderate overpays for near-replacement level vets over 30 – and trying to make a broader appeal or something.
Nearly every 30+ year old FA projected for 1 WAR or less that signs for more than the 8/WAR is, currently, getting a feel-good, lowest common denominator, ‘narrative driven’ approving article, with lines like ‘you can trust the projections if you want, but….’
You’re reading into something that isn’t there. We write about stuff we find interesting. The evidence presented makes Matt Joyce particularly interesting, at least to me. I didn’t make up the Statcast data. I didn’t make up his high walk rate. I didn’t make up the different swing.
There’s someone in this conversation trying to bend everything to fit within a narrative, but it’s not Jeff Sullivan.
“It took me forever to find something to say about Edinson Volquez, and I don’t even like the post that I wrote”
Ha! Love the humility
Classic Beane signing. I was surprised that Joyce had Votto-esque discipline. It’s hard to be a bad hitter with patience like that. Nice article, Jeff.
As seem to be doing well taking advantage of cheap players that have shown improvement. Signing Hill worked out really well for them and this could too.
Looks like the annual Billy Beane gamble on a cheap player who might break out and become trade bait. Ben Zobrist worked, Billy Butler didn’t.
Billy Butler wasn’t cheap.
Billy was six and two/thirds million in ’15. Per Cot’s, backloaded contract.
Ben Zobrist was and is light years better than Matt Joyce.
Zobrist was also not a gamble. It cost them John Jaso (oh well) the #1 rated prospect in the A’s system at the time and the #11 rated prospect. Zobrist also came with Yunel Escobar.
Great stuff as always.
Much more subtle, but it looks like he added a toe tap to go along with his hand adjustments.
Probably just wore a lot of thong sandals this past year
The Rich Hill of the batters box
Still just a platoon bat who is benched vs. lefties though, right?
Probably benched against the best lefties, but I expect he’ll get more of a shot against them after showing modest small-sample improvement.
that hitting coach who worked with Donaldson is going to be a very, very wealthy man if he isn’t already. he’s gotten a ton of buzz since last offseason.
Big fan of Joyce and he really helped out the Pirates last season, specifically in the first half of the year when Cutch was really tanking. But speaking of that split and the above mentioned track record, no mention of his splits from the 1st half to the 2nd half last season?
– 1st (157 PAs): .295/.420/.558 with .979 OPS and 163 wRC+
– 2nd (136 PAs): .176/.382/.343 with a .725 OPS and 108 wRC+
In the second half, his walks went up, his exit velocity went up, and his strikeouts went down. That split doesn’t really worry me.
A lot of that drop can be explained by his BABIP of .370 in the first half vs. .186 in the 2nd half of 2016
I thought I couldn’t dislike Joyce any more than I already did.
Thanks,
Angels Fan
What about the defense? Seems like that’s a major knock on his value.
Matt Joyce have good power and hand/eye coordination. Matt Joyce flatten/shorten swing. Matt Joyce hit better.
It seems like half the league has lowered their hands and started hitting the ball harder and more consistently. I can’t be the only person thinking, “It can’t really be that easy, can it?” I also have to wonder what the pitching counter is to that.
A lot of the time you don’t want to tinker too much with a guy’s swing because you may destroy it completely, but it does seem like 9/10 times lowering hands and minimizing pre-pitch shenanigans (“loud stances”) simplifies things and adds consistency.
I’d enjoy seeing more nuanced analysis of this than my mostly useless rambling though.
The pitching counter is to convince MLB umpires to call some small percentage of pitches in the upper third of the strike zone strikes just for fun. There aren’t enough guys with the wrist/hand strength to do much damage against pitches in that up/in quadrant, especially with the lower hand set-up.
This seems a interesting subject to explore. Is lowering the hands the response to a lower strike zone? We could be seeing a back-and-forth effect.
Yup, and Joyce’s contact rate went down pretty significantly on pitches in the upper part of the strike zone.
Most good swings get close to this same lower position once batters stride/load/coil anyway. More guys are now minimizing the movement up top to allow them to work on generating more power with the bottom half. It also allows you to get the barrel in the hitting zone earlier and for a longer period of time. Another thought is that it is easier to adjust up from a lower hand position when the swing is starting upwards than to start a swing on a downward plane and adjusting up against momentum. FWIW I overhauled my swing in a similar way this off-season and the results have been great so far.
He would have been really good as a platoon in left with Chris Young after trading away JBJ (and stuff) for Chris Sale and having Benintendi patrol center.
No, no JBJ. Moncada, Kopech, and a third piece not named Devers for Sale. That sounds like a win-win.
Accepting that no one cares about my Ottoneu team, this news is encouraging since I dealt for Valencia ($5) to pair with Joyce ($3) for an $8 platoon yielding $20 potential
It’s just why Ottoneu 40-man rosters are fun
I do not think this move will make Athletics fans happier.
It doesn’t make them unhappy, its just a small move to bring in a platoon outfielder. The A’s have to do these moves in order to have a chance at piecing together above average production from each spot.