The Astros Get Their Jose Molina
Sometimes, a transaction is so immediately obvious you don’t have to spend any time at all trying to work out the rationale behind it. Other times, a transaction only seems that immediately obvious, because we’re not privy to all of the relevant information. In each case, though, we get to pretend like the move in question is immediately obvious, because we can’t know what we don’t know, and on Wednesday, the Astros made a trade. They got a guy they like, and they like him because of course they like him.
The Astros got one guy for two guys, giving up catcher Carlos Perez and pitcher Nick Tropeano. Perez might take over as the Angels’ backup, and Tropeano might manage to crack the Angels’ starting rotation. But the guy the Astros added is Hank Conger, and though Conger’s is by no means any sort of household name, you could say the Astros just got their Jose Molina. Have I mentioned lately that the Astros employ Mike Fast? Do I even need to?
On the surface, it’s a C-list transaction. Few know Perez, few know Tropeano, and Conger’s never played 100 games in a season. I can’t remember the last time I watched Sportscenter, but this isn’t the kind of headline I imagine they’re likely to discuss, because it’s hardly even a headline for baseball-specific programming. Conger owns a career 84 wRC+. That comes with a .294 OBP, and he’s at 1.6 career WAR. He’s thrown out 22% of attempted base-stealers.
Conger’s pretty cheap and under control through 2017, so that’s something. He joins what’s become a crowded backstop situation in Houston, with Jason Castro, Carlos Corporan, and Max Stassi. It seems pretty apparent the Astros are going to make a change between now and the start of next year, so what they have for the moment is flexibility. This move probably wasn’t about the next move. This move was probably about getting Conger, because I haven’t yet mentioned his strength.
It’s pitch-framing, naturally. Or pitch-receiving, or basic catching, or whatever you want to call it. Fast’s research brought framing into the spotlight, and we’ve heard before about how the Astros organization works on framing drills to make their own guys better. Until this week, Conger wasn’t one of their own guys, but it doesn’t get much better than him, in terms of catching the ball in a quiet and artful way. And that’s why I feel like this move is so obvious. The Astros are likely to appreciate the skill more than the Angels have.
How good a receiver is Conger? We can go the more simple way, or we can go the more complicated way. The answers are the same: he’s outstanding. Let’s go to StatCorner first. In 2013, out of regular and semi-regular catchers, Conger ranked third in extra strikes per game. In 2014, he ranked first, ahead of Molina, Christian Vazquez, and Rene Rivera. No one in baseball has been better at preserving strikes; almost no one has been better at gaining additional strikes.
For the more complicated way, we turn to Baseball Prospectus. Their framing numbers are based on more intricate formulas, controlling for a great number of variables. In 2013, out of regular and semi-regular catchers, Conger ranked tied for fifth in framing runs expressed as a rate stat. He was third in extra strikes per game. In 2014, Conger ranked first in runs as a rate stat, and second in extra strikes per game. Let’s combine the last two years. Let’s set a minimum of 5,000 so-called “framing opportunities”. We’re left with a pool of 56 catchers. Within that pool, Conger ranks second in extra strikes per game, and second in framing runs per game. The only catcher better: Jose Molina, who wasn’t better in the season that just ended.
Take the BP numbers at face value, and the last two years, Conger’s framing has been worth more than 30 runs alone. People quibble with the magnitudes of these things, and people debate over how to distribute responsibility, but it makes sense that the Astros would be believers in this, just as the Rays have been and just as the Brewers obviously are. The Astros, presumably, see Conger as an elite-level framer, and though he doesn’t have too many other skills, Nelson Cruz doesn’t have too many other skills aside from clobbering dingers, and the dingers make him valuable. It doesn’t matter how a guy’s good, as long as he’s good. The Astros identified and got a good player, according to the ways they evaluate players.
Here’s something fun. BP breaks down framing data by pitching battery. Conger, last year, split time on the Angels with Chris Iannetta. There were eight guys they each caught for at least 100 plate appearances. Let’s see how they did with each catcher:
| Pitcher | Conger, Chances | Conger, +Strikes | Iannetta, Chances | Iannetta, +Strikes | Advantage |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jered Weaver | 856 | 51 | 1062 | 17 | Conger |
| Hector Santiago | 798 | -2 | 481 | -15 | Conger |
| C.J. Wilson | 832 | 26 | 1102 | 8 | Conger |
| Garrett Richards | 521 | 15 | 931 | -25 | Conger |
| Matt Shoemaker | 461 | 9 | 656 | -2 | Conger |
| Tyler Skaggs | 254 | 3 | 632 | -9 | Conger |
| Kevin Jepsen | 233 | 0 | 323 | 5 | Iannetta |
| Joe Smith | 262 | 19 | 330 | 4 | Conger |
Of the eight, seven got better strikes zones pitching to Conger, and the one exception — Jepsen — had some pretty small sample sizes. Conger was great on his own team; Conger was great.
Using data from Baseball Savant, let’s look at a .gif of different 2014 strike zones. I selected three catchers: Conger, Devin Mesoraco, and Jarrod Saltalamacchia. Conger was a good receiver, Mesoraco was an average receiver, and Saltalamacchia was a bad receiver, at least by the measurements we have. The differences might be a little subtle, but pay attention to the edges:
Conger’s pretty strong everywhere, and in particular low in and beyond the zone. He’s able to steal high strikes, as well, and he’s excellent on the horizontal edges. Four .gifs, now, of called strikes in different areas. By selecting strikes, I essentially selected for Conger presumably showing good technique, but despite that bias, you can admire his technique anyway.
Low:
High:
Arm side:
Glove side:
You can teach catchers to get better, and the Astros have taught Jason Castro to get better, but everyone has an ability ceiling. Conger’s is higher than most, because he’s able to remain just so incredibly quiet and confident. The one I like most above is the second one. Conger had a target down, around the knees. He caught the pitch above Dustin Ackley’s belt, but from watching the .gif, you’d never really guess that the pitcher missed to the opposite part of the zone. Conger read how Wade LeBlanc was likely to miss, so he prepared before the ball had even arrived. The target was missed by something like two feet, and Conger couldn’t possibly have received it any better.
If you believe in the value of pitch-framing, you believe in the value of Hank Conger. If any team in baseball believes in the value of pitch-framing, it stands to reason it would be the Astros. So they picked up a 26-year-old with three more years of team control, and his strength isn’t the kind of thing that gets rewarded handsomely through arbitration. So now the team has options, as they figure out how to proceed with Jason Castro, and if Conger remains as a backup, he’ll be okay with that. If he gets an expanded role, he’ll be okay with that, and while Conger’s framing compares well to Jose Molina’s, Conger’s also younger, with greater offensive potential. Conger seems like a pretty good catcher overall, because of one particularly strong strength, and it’s not often you can get a pretty good catcher for a worse catcher and a back-of-the-rotation project.
Not that this is a blockbuster or a rip-off or anything. The Angels might be fond of Perez. Chris Iannetta just ran a 126 wRC+. Nick Tropeano has had success in Triple-A, and everyone likes his changeup. Pitchers with underwhelming fastballs but good changeups can end up underrated prospects, and Tropeano could start for the Angels for the league minimum. That’s valuable, especially for a team with so much big money already committed. The Angels are looking to do certain things on a budget.
So from the Angels’ side, you can understand it well enough. From the Astros’ side, you can understand it even more. Because of Mike Fast, we all got to learn about the amazing hidden value of Jose Molina. The Astros just picked up their own younger version.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.





All hail our BP overlords at the Astros!
I love how in the last two GIFs the hitters are both “WHAT?”
What’s interesting to me is how it’s not his glove that’s quiet, but his torso/head. I mean, his glove isn’t flopping around or anything, but when I think of framing, I think of what I did in little league, which is catching a ball and holding it perfectly still. Conger seems to be pretty quick and fluid with the glove, and what I notice mostly is how his torso doesn’t move at all after coming set.
It definitely seems like this might be the best (and easiest) way to build a better pitching staff if you can steal that many more strikes.
Yep. By most metrics, even advanced metrics, 100% of the credit for Conger’s contribution will go to the pitchers. Which may well cost the Astros something in arbitration/free agency for those pitchers, but probably still less than market value. And if the Astros are smart enough to value Conger (assuming they’re correct in doing so), they’re smart enough to see which pitchers are benefiting most and sell high on them to some team that believes in the pitcher’s “improvement.”
But I don’t Think using Molina this year is a good example. He’s gotten old. But he’s been an excellent back up for many years. Most unsung of the Molina brothers, and the best reviewer of all of em.
Replied in the completely wrong place
Are we saying that what seems like roughly 1 extra strike per game is something significant?? I know. I’m a luddite because I crazily don’t see how 1 strike per game can in any possible way equate to 30 runs over a season. But as long as something is quantifiable it must be something!
More than one strike a game, and, 30 runs over two seasons. The difference between a ball and a strike is estimated to be around 0.13 runs.
what is .13 of a run?
If the catcher turns 8 balls into strikes over the course of several games, on average the team will allow one fewer run as a result. If it happens 162 times over the course of a season, the team will probably allow around 20 fewer runs. It’s an average, and anything can happen in a single game or a single at-bat, but over a large enough sample size that’s the value of a strike vs. a ball.
it was a rhetorical question.
Sorry. Hard to tell on the internet, and it’s not necessarily an intuitive concept.
“What is .13 of a run?
…
it was a rhetorical question.”
Not a great one, but sure. You’re trying to be dense because you don’t necessarily agree with the answer.
no. It was to show that a small fraction of a run isn’t a run.
If someone wants to try and make a different case – something like approximately every 8th game or so 1 strike can be the difference between a run scoring or not scoring, that might be something to discuss on some level. .13 of a run means nothing.
The word you’re looking for is “obtuse”. If you’re going to bring the snark (which he does deserve), at least do it properly
so Durphy is “obtuse” if he finds this logic a stretch? Is that it?
You are Durphy, you goon.
No I’m not. Wait….
I know you’re saying that if I don’t believe in “1 strike – 1/8 of a run” thing then I should be subject to ostracizing from the smarter people…
What is hitting “.300”? How do you get 30% of a hit?
Hey Caniel Honphy, by “obtuse” I mean “obviously understands the point being made but is rhetorically pretending not to”. The snarky, english-snob, look-down-your-nose way of expressing this is to use the word “obtuse.” The colloquial, everyone-gets-it word to use instead is “troll”
wait, whoever it is trying to equate the estimation of a run from an abstract data point to BA understands those are two entirely different concepts, right?!? One is the numerical expression of 2 specific buckets of data, while the other is the equivalent of saying that 1 hand sanitizer application is 1/50 of the flu. Huh? yeah, on average 50 sanitizings saves one flu! Yes, just as the idea of sparing the flu is nice, saving runs is great too, but it’s the quantifying part that is a stretch to buy.
Are those who got their shoots up here saying that people should just accept what others say on this topic? iow, there should be no questioning of this abstract concept whose impact is currently at best trying to be understood??
There is no way to get past it being a very crude estimation and no real way to quantify it accurately that I can tell. So saying that someone knows how many runs are being saved and by extension, how valuable a guy like Conger is is really selling snake oil until we can do this math better.
One extra strike per game that is almost unhittable (because its bad), plus every strike a pitcher is presumably entitled to get because it is actually a strike.
or what jeff said we posted almost simultaneously. Hes probably more right.
A numerical example: Conditional on reaching a 1-2 count, the leaguewide slash in 2014 was .178/.225/.262. Conditional on reaching a 2-1 count, the leaguewide slash was .250/.382/.394 (source: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/split.cgi?t=b&lg=MLB&year=2014#count). Consquently, a catcher that can turn a 1-1 ball into a strike via framing is the difference between a PA from a good everyday player and a pitcher. Doing that once a game is actually a big deal.
Call me crazy but I think I’d take the guy who projects as a mid rotation SPer…
Well as long as you only care about upside and not downside….
Crazy isn’t the word that is coming to mind.
Am I the only one who thought that the fourth gif demonstrated awful umpiring more than good pitch framing? Not discounting the work Conger did, becasue all four of those are great examples of framing, but that last one still didn’t appear to be a strike no matter how you receive it.
And later in the same at bat it happened again! Yeah, I don’t know.
How does Castro compare to Conger on framing? Conger’s bat isn’t really too far behind Castro’s, so the framing skills could make him their best catcher.
BTW – I think the Astros picked a good time to stockpile catchers. The losers of the Russell Martin sweepstakes might offer something solid for either Castro or Conger, given the rest of the FA catchers available.
Castro is roughly league average, when he came up he was below average. His value is the fact that he is a bat good enough to hit in the 5th to 7th range on a solid lineup (not 8th or 9th like a lot of catchers). conger is a D first guy, but when he was coming up 3-4 years ago his bat was good enough for him to be viewed as a top 100 prospect (a few years in the 80ies on BA list). That list is not as progressive about pitch framing (at least 4 years ago when people were first starting to realize it was a thing). That means with his roughly average ability to control runners, that ranking was a lot about his upside as a hitter. Catchers develop late, so it is not out of the question that Conger still has the ability to be a better hitter than castro, and a better framer.
The stockpiling thing… maybe not. They have expressed a willingness to deal Castro in the past, so this was likely just a move to pick up a catcher they like and the team who had him did not like him as much. At worst they gave up a weaker backup catcher and a #3 starter (more realistically a #5 starter). This just makes the Castro trade even more likely.
Also a note- Minor league FA catchers that are good framers/throwers get pretty close to mlb minimum just to be the 3rd catcher that spends most of the year in AAA. So many injuries at the position puts the replacement level (not the one used in WAR but a real life one) much further down the team depth chart (a catcher can catch, no one else can… but there are plenty of guys in every system that can play 1b even if poorly)
It does worry me to see Conger go, but I have to hope the Angels’ scouts see something they like in Tropeano. The changeup continues to be the most underrated pitch in baseball, and effective pitchers with lower velocity seems to be a very slight market inefficiency that the Angels like. Also, more AB’s for Iannetta is a good thing.
I think Jared Weaver will be worrying the most
The frame-job in the “low” GIF is just dirty… That said, the other 3 (esp. the 4th) are horrible umpiring
“It’s pitch-framing, naturally. Or pitch-receiving, or basic catching, or whatever you want to call it.”
Let’s call it exactly what it is, “fooling stupid umpires.” That this is considered a highly desirable skill is shameful to the integrity of the game.
ban pitch framing
ban bunting against the shift
ban base stealing
I was steadfastly in agreement. Can’t get robo umps calling balls & strikes fast enough for me… and I guess I do still sort of feel that way.
But I have softened a bit on it. At least, I don’t feel as vehemently about it.
That MLB teams now see this “ability” as actionable… and TV exposes wrong calls on balls/strikes routinely now, with their strike zone boxes and replays… it will only be a matter of time before even umpires get sick of it, and willingly give it away to the robo umps. The transition seems inevitable.
I thought I’d rejoice on that day. Now… I’m not so sure.
Baseball teams have always valued this skill, it’s only now with quantifiable data that it gets talked about a lot. Find an internet time machine and look through the old “baseball guys vs stathead” arguments about catcher defense from circa 1995-2005. SABR types were generally skeptical about catcher defense being a big deal, mainyl because it couldnt’ be quantified directly and was highly ambiguous from splits within a team (i.e. pitcher ERA with one C vs another). The “baseball guys” almost uniformly insisted on the value of receiving ability, and when pitchf/x data became available the numebrs ultimately proved them right.
There’s a really good series of articles to be written about how many of the “dinosaur” opinions that were hated on in the moneyball era (catcher defense, defensive value of SS and CF, etc) turned out to be correct now that we have better data. I’m waiting for someone to write them
BTW, I am definitely with you on the robo-umps, but I wouldn’t count on that happening before Conger hits free agency
Pitches arrive from less than 60 feet away at about 90 miles per hour. The umpire has a fraction of a second to look down over the catcher and determine whether the pitch was exactly on the edge of the plate or a few centimeters off the edge of the plate.
The notion that umpires who can’t do that with 100% precision 100% of the time are “stupid” is probably the densest thing I’ve read in this thread, and that’s saying something.
Much as I love the skill of a good framer – just give the poor umps a hand-held device that shows the ball/zone location we get on TV, in realtime so they can make the right call more often. Even if it costs Hank a few $$.
Yeah, what will we do with this “skill” when they switch to automated ball/strike calling?
I guess it’ll give Sabremetricians something to do like computing the value of the expiring “skill.”
Boy you showed those eggheads! Putting “skill” in quotes and everything! How “clever”!
why the anger?
What is this “anger” you speak of, “friend-o”?
The ball/zone location is usually a two-dimensional representation of a three-dimensional object. Also, strike zones are variable among all players due to different heights and batting stances. Replacing umpires with technology doesn’t actually solve any problems, it just changes “the umpire doesn’t know what he’s doing” to “the technology is glitched/can’t get his strikezone correct.”
Pitch framing is a small part of a catcher’s game. An elite catcher is worth multiples of .13 runs a game. It’s one small tool in a large tool kit. Why would the Astros trade for that?
Because he also does other things
what, balances a rotating plate on his noggin? is that worth .08 of a run?
Because they’re obsessed with small details instead of the big picture. Its how you punt the first pick of the draft trying to chisel for a further advantage down draft.
I’d point out one of these excellent defensive catchers was an absolute disaster for a smart, savvy front office this year: Jose Molina of the Rays. They paid him 1.75MM for the privilege.
I had no idea Conger was so valuable. Maniel Durphy is right in that Conger only adds about 1 additional strike per game. It depends on how critical that strike is to a particular at bat and game, but it averages out to 0.13 extra runs per game. That’s about 20 extra runs per season. That’s about +2 WAR. That’s worth about $12MM per season. His projected arb salary next season is $1.1MM (with two additional years of control with a skill set not truly valued by arbitration), which is a large suplus value. And, remember, that’s in addition to the 1+ WAR he otherwise brings to the table. Being a 26 year old catcher, he also still has offensive upside. Unless Castro’s offense rebounds in the first half of 2015, I suspect the Astros may trade him mid-season and call up Stassi (who could use a bit more seasoning at AAA… not to mention avoiding Super 2 status). The Astros definitely have a plan here.
yeah, ok I think we all had the road map already. Point making the connection of 1 add’l strike to the 20 runs but I’m all ears.
Except that he averages around half a season of playtime. He isn’t catching 162 games.
It looks like Conger is his glove away from his target (wherever that is) to the middle of the zone as the pitcher is pitching. That way, he has a pretty short distance to go for any close pitch. Clever dude.
Isn’t this a starch contrast to the “trade value” post that said Lucroy’s value is only so high because people don’t value pitch framing? It seems like people are starting to care.
I feel dumbererer after reading all those comments.
Yeah, it’s not usually this bad.
I love it when it is. Adds hilarity to the end of a good article.
What are u saying? So that’s it then? Adding 1 strike per game makes any C a 2 win player?
Much like the Wizard tip calculator, it (or he, in this case) DOES OTHER THINGS!!
If a C adds 3 strikes, he’d be a 6 win player? Sorry to say but I’m dubious.