The Big Payoff for Pittsburgh Never Came

The Pirates may be headed for another rebuild, but the club hopes it won’t last as long as the previous one. (Photo: Dan Gaken)

“Life is like a sewer; what you get out of it depends on what you put into it.” – Tom Lehrer

Coming off of three consecutive NL East titles from 1990 to ’92, the Pirates lost Bobby Bonilla and Barry Bonds in back-to-back offseasons and quickly descended into the divisional basement. Unlike Chuck Cunningham in Happy Days, the Pirates didn’t just take the stairs and disappear forever. Vanishing from history would probably have been more merciful than what actually happened; the Pirates became the justified butt of baseball jokes. Run by Cam Bonifay and Dave Littlefield for the 15 years that followed, Pittsburgh filled out the entire Bingo Card of Incompetence. They drafted poorly, and gave bizarre contracts to players like Pat Meares and Kevin Young, who couldn’t even be called tertiary talent, and appeared to be on a mad quest to trade any developed star for as little as possible.

Unlike many organizations, which have one single, horrific move worth mocking, it’s difficult to decide which situation was the most embarrassing for the Pirates. Was it the time they signed Meares to a one-year contract after he was non-tendered, then gave him a four-year deal after a week of a .508 OPS? Was it trading Aramis Ramirez and not getting a single real prospect in return? Was it picking up Matt Morris and his contract for no particular reason? Or was it paying Derek Bell $4.5 million to live on his boat? I’d be hard-pressed to choose when the Pirates were the most de-pantsed.

Overcoming 15 years of haplessness was the challenge set to Frank Coonelly and Neal Huntington when they took over the Pirates’ day-to-day operations in September 2007. They cleaned the Augean stables, remaking the organization from top-to-bottom and turning it into one that looked like its more modern contemporaries. They brought in analysts, integrated contemporary sabermetric approaches, and found a pitching coach in Ray Searage who could help them turn straw into gold. And for a while, it worked. Blowing through the .500 threshold, the Pirates won 94, 88, and 98 games, making three consecutive postseasons for only the second team in the team’s history.

Then the wheels came off. As Coonelly and Huntington embarked on their labors, I believed that when the team became competitive, ownership would invest in the roster to push it over the top. After all, they would theoretically have the money they didn’t spend during a very inexpensive rebuild to put to use. That belief turned out to be optimistic, bordering on naïve, and when the time was right to dip into the coffers and make moves to keep the team among baseball’s elite, no investment was forthcoming. The team’s payroll never passed the $100 million mark; holes went unfilled, and the Pirates lost their status as meaningful contenders.

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The Setup

By the latter stages of the 2018 season, it was obvious there was no grand bounce-back coming for Pittsburgh. Gerrit Cole finally had his monster breakout season, but it came in Houston. The early-season surge that had pushed the Pirates into first place as late as mid-May receded quickly, and the team spent the rest of the season shuffling between being a few games above and below .500. In a shocking late-season move, the Pirates took a surprising risk when they added the struggling Chris Archer from the Tampa Bay Rays in return for Tyler Glasnow, Austin Meadows, and Shane Baz.

It was a hefty price to pay for Archer considering that the “ace” tag hadn’t really applied to him since 2015. But as a durable No. 2 or 3 starter who was still young enough to have upside, the Pirates felt that Archer was worth a pitcher they couldn’t figure out how to fix (Glasnow), an oft-injured outfielder who had struggled in 2017 and 2018 (Meadows), and a top pitching prospect who, as a high-schooler in rookie ball, was years away (Baz).

I was not a fan of the trade, but at the time, I believed it had a chance of working under a specific set of requirements: that the Pirates go all-in on 2019-2020 by being aggressive in free agency and having a specific plan to fix what ailed Archer. If they could squeeze a couple more 90-win seasons out of their roster before another full rebuild, the sting of losing three significant future pieces would be lessened considerably.

But the plan to fix Archer appears to have been half-baked. During their salad days, the Pirates did very well acquiring and developing pitchers who threw a lot of fastballs and sinkers and induced a lot of groundballs. They got a lot of use from pitchers in that mould who had been previously left-for-dead by the league, like A.J. Burnett and Francisco Liriano. But by 2018, there were signs that, along with increased home runs, baseball had largely moved on from this kind of thinking. As Matt Provenzano noted in an excellent piece at Beyond the Box Score, the Pirates were trending in the opposite direction of the rest of league. When Archer came in, the old playbook applied. He started throwing his two-seamer/sinker, a pitch he had largely abandoned in favor of his signature slider. At least in 2018, it didn’t restore him No. 1 starter status.

The more significant problem, however, was that the Pirates apparently did not consider the Archer trade as the first in a series of focused “win now” moves. During an offseason when baseball continued to show an overabundance of thrift, the Pirates seized very few opportunities, only spending $7 million in free agency. Not per year. Total. Nor did they make meaningful trades to bolster the team’s strength in 2019; the club’s most significant move was sending Ivan Nova to the White Sox for a low-level prospect (Yordi Rosario) and some slot money.

The club’s lackadaisical approach to the winter meant that even if the Archer trade had worked out in isolation, it still wouldn’t have necessarily been enough to justify what the Pirates gave up to acquire him.

The Projection

Coming into 2019, ZiPS projected a 78-84 record for the Pirates, even with a fairly optimistic projection for Archer. That was enough for a last-place finish, behind the Cincinnati Reds, but wasn’t completely hopeless; the Bucs had an 8% shot of making the playoffs. ZiPS saw a concerning lack of star power in the offense and predicted an overabundance of hitting talent in the one-to-two win range. ZiPS projected a solid one-two in Archer and Jameson Taillon, and roughly league-average performances from Joe Musgrove and Trevor Williams. One red flag in the pitching projections, however, was the lack of depth; if something went wrong with an arm or two, the quality of the reinforcements left much to be desired.

The Results

Naturally, ZiPS had some misses, though completely underrating Josh Bell was perhaps the most colossal miscalculation. On a fundamental level, however, the storyline for the team wasn’t all that different from what the projections had figured. The Pirates had an ample supply of decent performances but little in the way of star power that could hope to match prime Andrew McCutchen, and inadequate depth, which revealed itself when bad things started happening.

Archer’s career second wind blew foully as hitters slugged .815 off his two-seamer/sinker, leading him to abandon the pitch entirely in June. Taillon only made seven starts before Tommy John surgery, and shoulder problems ruined Gregory Polanco’s year. ZiPS projected eight wins from those three players coming into the season. A big year for Bryan Reynolds — he likely just missed many Rookie of the Year ballots — helped make up for some of these losses, but the rest of the starting pitching collapsed in an ineffective heap. The rotation’s 5.40 ERA was the worst mark by a Pirates rotation in modern baseball history, and possibly ever (we don’t have splits for the 1894 Pirates or the 1890 Alleghenys).

To add a bit of humiliation into the mix, the players traded to Tampa Bay flourished in their new organization. The Rays got Glasnow to use the whole strike zone and go after batters aggressively, and the walks disappeared. Tampa made room to play Meadows every day, and he responded with a .291/.364/.558, 4.0 WAR season, earning a trip to the All-Star Game. Baz’s move out of rookie ball went off without a hitch; he’s moved up to being baseball’s No. 64 prospect on THE BOARD.

Despite all of these setbacks, the Pirates stood 2 1/2 games out of first place at the All-Star break thanks to a thoroughly disappointing Central. But any dreams of making a division run dissipated quickly, as the team made no additions after the break, and went 25-48 the rest of the season, the second-worst record in the National League. The front office survived the second-half, but the coaching staff did not, as Searage, Clint Hurdle, and Tom Prince received their walking papers after the season.

What Comes Next?

It’s hard to see the current franchise core being competitive in the near future. Taillon’s already out for the 2020 season, and clearing the contracts of Francisco Cervelli and Corey Dickerson will likely only be enough to pay for the large number of contributors entering arbitration this offseason. It’s hard to see free agency being a panacea; if the organization refused to add much payroll that way when the team was winning, I doubt they’d do so now, when their roster is bad enough that even luring Cole back wouldn’t make them a contender. It appears that Pittsburgh is headed towards another rebuild, and while the team has a front office that proved more than capable of executing one the last time, it still leaves the team with the same problem when they’re good someday: will ownership invest in the roster this time? I’m not optimistic.

One of the more interesting offseason decisions they face is what to do about Archer. His $9 million option comes with a $1.75 million buyout, effectively making the choice one of whether the team should offer Archer a one-year, $7.25 million contract. If you’d asked me back in May, I’d have said “not a chance,” but after ditching the two-seamer, he pitched better in the second half, bumping his strikeout rate by two batters a game and putting up a 3.29 FIP. What’s more damaging to the pride: paying $7 million for a pitcher acquired in one of the worst trades in team history, or risk someone like the Astros picking up Archer and suddenly turning him back into a Cy Young candidate? After all, watching ex-Pirates Cole, Glasnow, and Charlie Morton in the playoffs might have been enough to get a Pirates fan to turn off the TV in disgust.

The Absitively, Posilutely, Way-Too-Early ZiPS Projection – Josh Bell

One of my biggest concerns about Bell while he was a prospect was the lack of power. There have been first basemen who have succeeded in the majors without hitting for power, but it’s a relatively narrow path, and I was concerned that Bell didn’t have the secondary skillset necessary to be a Mark Grace-type. Bell hit 26 homers in his first full season in the majors but dropped to 12 in 2018. I was quite worried about Bell’s future, but he climbed up the exit velocity/launch angle charts in 2019, finishing 13th in baseball in average exit velocity at 92.3 mph. Even in his 26-homer 2017, that number was only 87.7, so this season represented a real change at the plate for Bell. He did slump after the All-Star break, only hitting .233/.351/.429 with 10 homers in the second half. Those results unfortunately reflected a drop-off in exit velocity, from 93.3 mph to 90.5 mph, so it can hardly be called a fluke.

If there’s a silver lining, it’s that ZiPS doesn’t see Bell’s full decline to a second-half BABIP of .241 as being reflected by his hit data. So while the drop in home runs was very real, Bell ought to at least improve on his .233 second-half batting average. Whether the Pirates enter a rebuild or figure out some a scheme to actually get back in contention, Bell demonstrating he can continue to hit 35-40 homers a year is crucial to either path

Josh Bell
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2020 .269 .359 .497 525 83 141 31 4 27 98 74 116 1 125 -3 2.9
2021 .268 .361 .508 504 82 135 32 4 27 97 74 114 1 128 -4 2.9
2022 .264 .358 .496 492 79 130 31 4 25 92 73 110 1 124 -4 2.6

ZiPS doesn’t project Bell’s power to stay at 2019 levels, but then again, it’s also projecting a moderate drop in league offense. The lack of insight into what kind of baseball MLB will use in 2020 creates all kinds of uncertainty. ZiPS has historically used weighted league averages to peg future league offense, but all that goes out the window when we’re not seeing normal year-to-year variance. There’s a serious equipment question that baseball seems determined to address in the least transparent way possible. My frustrations aside, ZiPS projects Bell as an above-average first baseman, but not as a star for the team to build around.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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stever20Member since 2017
6 years ago

To have a review of the Pirates and not even mention Vazquez is rather sad. I know it’s a delicate issue, but not mentioning it isn’t right either. He was a huge part of the story of the Pirates this season, even before his arrest.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  stever20

… and the team whitewashed him too. Never made a significant statement about it or a simple gesture like giving his forfeited salary to a sexual abuse charity.

Cave Dameron
6 years ago

Why do you think they should give his salary to charity? Sorry but a company isn’t obligated to give money to an organization because their employee did terrible things. They don’t need to donate money to show that they’re against sexual abuse. It’s obvious that organizations don’t support things like this.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

When you have a bad actor in a company it is a deception to your customers, whether its your fault or not. Pretending it didnt happen is a terrible decision when it is a team integrity issue. They are after all selling the team to fans. A positive move from the organization not only is good PR, but it restores faith in the consumer that the Pirates are as appalled by this as the customers are and want to do something about it.

Cave Dameron
6 years ago

It’s not deceptive to your customers. They never tried to hide it or cover it up, and they’re not keeping him on the team after finding out. Individuals doing things in private is not a reflection of the company they work for.

Managing to Statistics
6 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

Why give money to a charity? What a weird take.

TheRajah
6 years ago
Reply to  stever20

Vazquez will likely play his next game for the Florida Correctional Institution. Is Kela the odds on fav to get the closer gig?

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  TheRajah

yes, he already got the gig in September.

PC1970Member since 2024
6 years ago

Don’t they almost HAVE to pick up the Archer option? If only to have him fill some innings? If they don’t, who is? & if he somehow bounces back, he’s got that $11 million option in 2021, which would make him a decent trade chip at the deadline.

For most teams, I’d say it’s a no brainer.

duhbearMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Rays about to trade Chirinos and two 45+ prospects for him . Booj it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  duhbear

Right now, that wouldn’t be a bad return for the Pirates. That’s Chirinos, Shane McClanahan, and Josh Lowe. I’m not sure the Rays would do that trade, so I’d hold Archer and see if he can replicate his second half performance in the first half of next season, which isn’t that far off of his 4-win season in 2017, and which would make him a very valuable trade chip.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  duhbear

I’d go for that in a heart beat, dont think he is worth that much right now.

Dmjn53
6 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

I know this isn’t a smart way to think, but it’d be very difficult to decline his option after what they gave up to get him. They have to at least try one more time to get value out of that trade

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Agreed. I think there is certainly more to get out of him than what they’ve gotten so far. At the very least, hope to turn him around and then flip him. Finally…if you decline his option and with JT out for the season, someone has to pitch next year. As much as they’d like to, they can’t just forfeit the games.

dl80Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

I think I agree with you. Yes, it’s a sunk cost, but I have no confidence that saved money would actually go anywhere helpful. It would likely just go to the owner’s pocket.

tung_twista
6 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

I don’t think considering the sunk cost is even necessary to justify exercising the option.
If teams were given take-it-or-leave-it offer of signing Archer for
1 year $7.25M with another $11M team option, more than one team would be willing to take a flyer.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

If you asked me which franchise has the worst outlook in both the short and long-term, the Pirates are probably the second-worst, behind the Marlins. On paper, it doesn’t seem like it because Josh Bell and Bryan Reynolds are under team control for a while, Oneil Cruz has huge upside, and there a number of very-interesting-but-maybe-flawed players in the minors like Swaggerty and Hayes and Juan Pie and Lolo Sanchez. And they also have some good trade chips with Starling Marte and Joe Musgrove. The cupboard isn’t totally bare…but does anyone have confidence in ownership to spend when they get good, or for the front office to actually do a real teardown so soon after the Archer trade? There’s just no real cause for optimism, despite the superficially “good” results this year.

Shalesh
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Meh. They’re in the same bucket with the Marlins, Tigers, Royals, and Orioles where the turnaround starts in 2023. Not only can they trade Marte and Musgrove, but also Bell. Angels are also in bad shape with $122M committed annually until 2022 when Pujols and Cozart come off the books.

Bigger question is why are seemingly only the Astros grabbing pitchers on the cheap when all they need is pitch optimization (throw the pitch opposing batters are wrc+-ing only 85 on more and throw the one that they’re wrc+-ing 125 on less)? Jeff Zimmerman at Rotographs puts together a list of candidates each winter who just need pitch optimization to become better. With Searage fired, could the Pirates just try to trade for some of those on the list?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

The problem is that there is no “turnaround” coming. It’s nothing but acquiring post-hype prospects and hoping more of them work out (Musgrove) than don’t (Moran). It’s treading water until the end of civilization, or baseball, or time, whichever one comes first. I think they’ve actually been pretty savvy in trades outside of the Archer disaster, and in *theory* they could try and extend Bell, trade Marte and Musgrove for some prospects, and have a nice crop of players with Bell, Cruz (whatever he is), and whatever prospects of Keller/Swaggerty/Hayes turn into something good. But even if those things happen and they turn out well, they’re not going to spend and they’re not going to trade prospects for guys to put them over the top, so they’re stuck. This works only if your team has a Top-5 player development machine out there (Cleveland) or teams keep doing stupid things like giving you Tommy Pham (Rays). Respectability is the ceiling. You can’t say that about any of those other teams you mention except the Marlins.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah, I think the only way they get beyond respectability is if some of these prospects who look like nice pieces (Tucker, Hayes…also no idea why FG is as high as they are on this guy) turn into superstars. Maybe this happens, with guys like Bryan Reynolds being the prototype. That seems like wishcasting, and not really much of a plan.
I’m against signing Bell long term as he’s an unathletic 1B who definitely wont be worth a long term deal.

Shalesh
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Let’s see: the Marlins have the #4 farm system and smartly dumped the Stanton contract, DET/PIT/BAL/SEA at 8/9/10/11, LAA 18, and KCR at #26. If anything, I think KCR is in the worst position though maybe they can trade Soler & Merrifield to shoot up the system rankings. These teams (except DET, SEA, LAA, and maybe MIA) will all try to emulate TBR & CLE by building a good team organically first and optimistically look for additional good players whose teams find redundant for whatever reason like Pham. Not sure why we should be permanently pessimistic about these teams. They can get better at player development and J2 acquisition.

Spending is obviously helpful to “close the deal” by getting that final piece or two — which is proving difficult for TBR and for the current vintage of CLE though CLE came damn close in 2016.

NATS FanMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

I agree that the Marlins are better off. They will have a decent rotation in 2020 and have most of their other holes filled with rookies that should pan out ok.

stever20Member since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

Angels? While yeah Pujols and Cozart aren’t great contracts- they do have Ohtani as a great contract the other way. No way they’re in the same boat as any of the others- the 4 you mentioned all lost at least 100 games, and Pittsburgh was putrid 2nd half. There is just no comparison at all….

Shalesh
6 years ago
Reply to  stever20

Yes, Angels. They lost 90 games, their pitching staff is a joke, they have holes at C, 3B, 1B, and DH. They do have Adell coming and he looks great, but they don’t have payroll flexibility until 2022. Sure, they’ll dabble with short-term guys like they did in the 2018 off-season, but you can ignore them until 2022.

stever20Member since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

Really it’s Catcher, 1b, and 3b that are the big holes- DH they were #8 this season in the AL- so right in the middle.

And something tells me Joe Maddon doesn’t go there if he doesn’t think they can win fairly quickly.

stever20Member since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  stever20

also- even though their offense had some bad spots- they still when Trout went out had the #6 scoring offense in the AL.

It’ll be interesting to see how much Maddon can improve the pitching side of things.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
6 years ago

While much of what Dan says here is true, I strongly disagree with the comment that this front office is “more than capable” of executing a rebuild. It took six full seasons for this group to get over the .500 mark. Houston and Chicago took four years to clear that hurdle. This group has had more than enough time, and I think there should be a new direction.
The closer you look at this group, the less there is to see. Their draft history is very spotty, especially beyond the first round. Even worse, their presence in Latin America is virtually non-existent (seriously, Polanco and Edgar freaking Santana are the only MLB players of note I think they’ve debuted from LA in the last 4-5 seasons).
Ownership must bear a large share of the blame for their frugality. But as a fan of this team, I look at Tampa, Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Oakland and I see teams that are much better at drafting, development, and not frittering away what little resources they have on the Sean Rodriguez’s of the world. If you’re lazy and not good at drafting and developing, I have a hard time using cheapness as an excuse.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

There are a couple of things that have changed my mind about the competence of the Pirates’ front office from a couple of years ago. One was the Archer trade, which has turned out so much worse than even the worst skeptics could have imagined. But the other is that the quality of front offices in MLB has risen so much lately. If you think about what the GM landscape was like in the mid-2000s, it was filled with some truly terrible GMs. The Pirates’ drafting, development, and trades were outstanding for the earlier era and now just good, just because everyone else has gotten better (the IFA stuff is pretty clearly bad).

For the first time in a while, I think you could do better. You’re not likely to get a top GM candidate like Sawdaye or Porter or Matt Arnold or maybe even Chaim Bloom, but there are enough good people out there that it might be worth rolling the dice on a new approach.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think you have it nailed Sad, NH and company were once innovative (draft spending, fastball focus, framing, ground ball guys, shifting, etc.), but the league has changed and the quality of the front office competition has improved. They are no longer ahead of the curve and that is the only path to success with limited resources. Very disappointing to not see change in the front office.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
6 years ago

The game done changed, man. They didn’t.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Very good point on how FO’s have changed. I long for the days of Ned Colletti and RAJ, especially with big market teams. The Archer trade was bad, but so was the Cole deal. I realize he wasn’t this type of pitcher in Pgh, but if he wasn’t, then hold onto him and try to make him better.
I don’t think this group has ever drafted particularly well. It’s only good if you compare it to the Bonifay and Littlefield eras. Looking at 2008-2013, the only year they really hit it out of the park was 2011, when they drafted Cole, Bell, and Glasnow. And well…look at who started game 5 of the ALCS.
If you want to get really cynical, you can look at those 2013-2015 teams and say their success boils down to three factors: 1) some very astute trades/signings like Melancon, Martin, Burnett, etc. 2) some good development on players Littlefield signed and/or developed (Marte, Walker), along with some of their own (Cole, pre-bum Pedro), and 3) falling bass ackwards into luck with the best player this city has had in nearly 20 years as Cutch was basically an MVP candidate for five years.
They may have a chance at someone like Bloom. There are only 30 of these jobs out there, after all.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

A lot of people panned the Cole trade at the time (including me, IIRC), but I think it’s actually turned out about as well as it could, given that Moran had both a low ceiling and a high probability of busting. The team that I think really should be kicking themselves about the Gerrit Cole trade was the Yankees, who for whatever reason, decided they couldn’t part with both Clint Frazier and Chance Adams in the same deal.

This is part of a larger trend that I think is going to make it far more difficult for the Pirates to rebuild: Teams have gotten very fond of their prospects. I think that the Pirates probably should have just walked away from both the Yankees and Astros until someone was willing to offer something worthwhile, but if teams aren’t willing to trade anything of value then you’re stuck. I’m pretty confident the Pirates could have played their hand better there, but it’s hard to know how that would have turned out.

CL1NTMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

But wasn’t PITT also asking for Andujar as well?

slamcactusMember since 2020
6 years ago

“Overcoming 15 years of haplessness was the challenge set to Frank Coonelly and Neal Huntington when they took over the Pirates’ day-to-day operations in September 2007.”

Credit where credit’s due: they did have Happ for about a third of a season in 2015.

jsdspudMember since 2018
6 years ago

As a fan who sat through all 20 years, I have to say that my fandom has reached a new low. Look at all that has gone wrong the last 7 years when they have had winning seasons 4 times. McCutchen develops into an MVP but his performance slips earlier than most players his age. Kung who was viewed by the industry as a utility player, turns into a middle of the order bat and good defensive 3rd basemen at a cheap price. However, his ankle get broken while trying to turn a double play and it turns out that his third DUI arrest in South Korea causes him not to be allowed back in the U.S. for two seasons. Then you have their main asset, also signed to a cheap contract, get arrested for a terrible crime. The same player that they held onto a month before when they couldn’t get the Dodgers to raise their trade offer. The same Dodgers team that lost in the playoffs again because of poor relief pitching and might have been more willing to pay this off season.

They just signed a new TV deal last week. It had to have had an increase because the previous deal was signed just before rights fees exploded. I doubt that the team raises payroll from the $80M of 2019 even with the new TV money. I just don’t believe that Nutting will spend the money to maintain competitiveness even if the current FO can turn it around. I am rooting for the union to request a payroll floor in the next CBA. I think that the only way Nutting will sell is if they make him spend at least a certain amount every year.

Lastly, in my opinion, the biggest mistake of the last 25 years was not drafting Manny Machado in 2010. If he is in the lineup they likely win 2 divisions if not a 3rd in the 2013-2015.

ThomasMember since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  jsdspud

I think their biggest mistake of the last 25 years was not starting Liriano in the 2015 Wild Card game. He had the Cubs’ number all year long. Maybe it would not have mattered since Arietta was dominant that night (in fact, the entire 2nd half of 2015), but you could make an argument.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  jsdspud

It takes some pretty big hindsight thinking to blame them for Machado. It was a 50-50 at the time by any publicly available ranking or mock.

Bolton
6 years ago

The draft in general hasn’t been kind to Huntington. People forget that the core offensive players of the playoff streak (Cutch, Marte and Walker) were all Littlefield guys. Among NH’s first round picks, only Cole has worked out, and it’s hard to screw up the No. 1 pick. Pedro Alvarez mostly failed, Tony Sanchez failed, Taillon got hurt, Reese McGuire was given away and they gave up on Meadows. It’s too early to tell on Will Craig, Cole Tucker and Hayes, but none looks like a sure thing.

JG007
6 years ago

*Corey* Dickerson

🙂

BillClinton
6 years ago

I think you meant Cory Dickerson not Chris.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
6 years ago

Dan, you are being too kind to Huntington. He has destroyed the franchise. It was bad enough trading Cole for second division players but the Archer trade, already, is a strong contender for the worst trade of all time, presently held by Slocumb for Lowe and Varitek, though so might argue Brock for Broglio. The Ray Searage situation is surprising. How fleeting success can be, just a couple of years ago he was being hailed as a man with mystical powers and now pfffft.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

If you’re talking worst trades in the lifetime of most baseball fans (I don’t think any of us remember pre-integration trades), it’s hard to beat Pedro for Delino deShields (Sr), or Ryne Sandberg for Ivan deJesus.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

LOL, destroyed the franchise. He inherited rubble, built a winner, and now has a midlevel organization talent wise. Yes, many of us wanted him gone this winter, but lets not get hyperbolic.

channelclemente
6 years ago

Cole seemed to have had a ‘monster’ season because of what the Astros changed in his approach, rather than a blossoming of unrecognized talent. The Pirates organization didn’t understand how to do that, apparently the Astros did. None of that is sheer chance.