The Bryan Reynolds Conundrum

Despite three seasons until he hits free agency, the Pirates find themselves at a crossroads with Bryan Reynolds. Pittsburgh shipping out veterans as they approach lucrative paydays is a 30-year-old story, and as the team’s young(ish) star with the most service time, it’s no surprise that Reynolds would be the subject of constant, swirling rumors. He and the Pirates talked about an extension, but nothing came of it; seeking a little more clarity, the 2021 All-Star requested a trade. Luckily, unlike the Gerrit Cole situation, there hasn’t been a decisive break between player and organization, and Reynolds is still open to discussing an extension. But what kind of extension is realistic for Reynolds, and will the Pirates be able to field a contender while they have him?
Per The Athletic, the Pirates and Reynolds were about $50 million apart in their extension talks. Given that this $50 million isn’t, say, the difference between $300 and $350 million, it’s a notable separation. Pittsburgh’s offer was six years and $75 million, covering a few years of free agency; that would be the largest contract in team history, but that mostly reflects the ultra-thrifty approach of the Bucs, not some surfeit of munificence on their part. Compared to the eight-year, $70 million contract that Ke’Bryan Hayes signed, it seems downright miserly, given how far away Hayes was even from arbitration at the time.
Reynolds had a notable dropoff in play from 2021 to ’22, going from .302/.390/.522, 6.1 WAR to .262/.345/.461, 2.9 WAR, but a large chunk of that dropoff was to be expected given the pattern of what happens to players after career-best seasons. And in any case, there was never a chance the Pirates were actually going to offer him a contract consistent with the notion that he was a six-win player, because then you’re getting into Juan Soto territory. But as a three- or four-win player with a few years of arbitration remaining, it’s close enough for a deal to be plausible.
So let’s run the numbers. The current contract, a two-year deal to avoid arbitration, already covers the 2023 season, so we’ll focus the projection as an extension past this season.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | .269 | .352 | .463 | 547 | 81 | 147 | 27 | 5 | 23 | 83 | 63 | 131 | 5 | 123 | 3.4 |
| 2025 | .264 | .349 | .453 | 537 | 78 | 142 | 27 | 4 | 22 | 80 | 62 | 127 | 4 | 119 | 3.0 |
| 2026 | .262 | .346 | .442 | 520 | 74 | 136 | 26 | 4 | 20 | 75 | 60 | 124 | 4 | 116 | 2.7 |
| 2027 | .256 | .341 | .425 | 497 | 69 | 127 | 24 | 3 | 18 | 69 | 57 | 119 | 3 | 110 | 2.1 |
| 2028 | .251 | .336 | .413 | 470 | 63 | 118 | 22 | 3 | 16 | 62 | 53 | 114 | 3 | 105 | 1.7 |
| 2029 | .246 | .331 | .398 | 435 | 57 | 107 | 20 | 2 | 14 | 56 | 49 | 106 | 2 | 100 | 1.2 |
With built-in discounts for the two remaining seasons of arbitration, ZiPS suggests a six-year, $95 million contract for Reynolds. That’s less than many people might think a player of his worth might get, but he has misfortune of poor timing when it comes to baseball’s salary structure. Reynolds is a great player, but he’s unlikely to be a star by the time he hits free agency, and his first season with a new team will be at age 31. Being 31 didn’t prevent Aaron Judge from getting a monster contract, but he’s also coming off a season in which he was worth well more than double the value of a typical Reynolds season. While it’s disappointing given Pittsburgh’s history with its best players, one can see the cold hard logic in all of it; his arbitration years already cover all the projected three-WAR seasons remaining his career, so why pay free agency values for a sub-three WAR player in his decline years?
Making Reynolds three years younger highlights just how much money this may cost him:
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | .271 | .357 | .468 | 547 | 84 | 148 | 28 | 4 | 24 | 85 | 66 | 127 | 6 | 125 | 3.7 |
| 2025 | .268 | .357 | .464 | 545 | 84 | 146 | 27 | 4 | 24 | 85 | 68 | 124 | 5 | 124 | 3.6 |
| 2026 | .267 | .357 | .463 | 544 | 84 | 145 | 27 | 4 | 24 | 84 | 69 | 121 | 5 | 124 | 3.5 |
| 2027 | .263 | .354 | .456 | 544 | 83 | 143 | 27 | 3 | 24 | 83 | 69 | 121 | 4 | 121 | 3.3 |
| 2028 | .262 | .354 | .449 | 543 | 82 | 142 | 27 | 3 | 23 | 81 | 70 | 120 | 4 | 120 | 3.1 |
| 2029 | .259 | .351 | .444 | 532 | 79 | 138 | 26 | 3 | 22 | 78 | 68 | 119 | 3 | 118 | 2.9 |
Keeping the extension at six years, ZiPS wants to give this theoretical version of Reynolds $159 million, even including those assumed lower dollar figures due to arbitration salaries.
Going back to the original projection, there are reasons to argue Reynolds is more valuable than that $95 million contract that ZiPS would happily sign. Defense in ZiPS is largely OAA-based these days (where available), but it still blends in a dose of DRS and UZR (this model predicts OAA better than OAA alone). There’s significant disagreement among defensive measures when it comes to Reynolds in center field: OAA pegs him at +4 for his career, but he’s a negative by UZR (-7) and DRS (a rather dismal -16). If we use only OAA in the projections, it adds another $25 million to the projection, getting Reynolds to $120 million. That happens to be, according to Rob Biertempfel of The Athletic, right about what the Reynolds camp was hoping to get.
“I’ve been pretty open these last few years that my No. 1 (goal) would be to sign an extension,” Reynolds said. “I want that to be a fair deal for both sides. Not a crazy player-(friendly deal), not a crazy team-(friendly) deal.”
According to a source close to the situation, the Pirates pushed to extend Reynolds near the end of the 2022 season with an offer of $75 million over six years. The counter-offer from Reynolds’ camp was around $120 million.
I don’t think the Pirates are going to come close to $120 million for a couple reasons. One, we’re talking a nearly 75% boost over the largest contract the team has ever signed. And with most of the good years already under contract, there’s just not a lot to push the Pirates into extending Reynolds except at extremely team-friendly terms. While $120 million isn’t obviously unreasonable for a team, convincing the Pirates of that is a tough hill to climb, and the fact remains that it’s unlikely they are even a contender for three years.
To get a rough idea of Pittsburgh’s trajectory, I simulated the 2024 and ’25 seasons using only players under contract or control for their teams. ZiPS projects the Pirates at 68 wins and a 1.3% chance of making the playoffs in 2022. General uncertainty and the team’s prospects only improve these projections to 72 wins and 4.5% in 2024 and 76 wins and 8.1% in ’25. No, these years aren’t written in stone, but the path they’re on is not a promising one; it’s unlikely that the team is going to bridge the gap between these projections and the Cardinals/Brewers/Cubs in free agency.
The relationship between the team and the fans in Pittsburgh has broken down to the extent that I’m not sure keeping Reynolds even preserves interest in the team. The fans may not be in the room where it happens, but they definitely know how the sausage is made, and signing Reynolds even to the extension his camp is requesting would not be sufficient to erase 30 years of bad feelings. From the Pirates’ perspective, I think an eventual trade is what actually happens, despite the signs that Reynolds is open to negotiation. And there are a lot of teams that could use him. Looking only at contenders, ZiPS estimates that he would improve the center field situation of a number of them by at least a win: the Phillies, Rangers, Astros, Red Sox, Cubs, and Dodgers, to name a few. The only center fielder with a better projection than Reynolds who is a free agent in the near future is Harrison Bader, and I can’t imagine the Yankees shopping him unless something goes terribly wrong this season for the Bombers. In other words, there are a lot of plausible homes for Reynolds’ services.
Decision day on Reynolds is coming quickly, and as with past stars, I expect the Pirates to choose to send him out of town. To change this storyline will, unfortunately, require a drastic change in the way the team thinks, and new ownership, too. Dawn remains a long way off for the Steel City.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
If we’re ruling out the possibility that the Pirates could, you know, add talent to the big league team through free agency over the next couple years to supplement their prospect wave, they probably should trade him. It’s hard to see a light at the end of that tunnel, though.
The Pirates added substantial veteran talent the last time they were in roughly this position: Russell Martin, AJ Burnett, and Liriano. Those three guys added 20 WAR in the first 2 playoff seasons. AJ was a trade where the team took on salary, while the other two were FA signings.
Point being, while I understand Dan’s approach (don’t assume outside talent), it’s not the case that Nutting has never spent money on it. I’d bet money that ZiPS wouldn’t have looked at the Pirates 11 years ago and forecast any playoff seasons with the talent then in-house, and it would have been right: they don’t win any of those Wild Cards* without the above three, plus other outsiders like Cervelli and JA Happ.
*OK, looking back, there were never any close contenders for the 2nd WC; probably the Pirates with inferior veteran talent play 2 WC games on the road and miss the third, or something like that.
Right, I don’t think it’s out of the question that they choose to supplement with some free agent muscle, and if they do it changes the analysis substantially.
I think it helps to have a baseline projection here, though. Clearly, Pittsburgh can (and just might) put more into FA to fill out the roster. Seeing the distance they’d have to go, though, does put into perspective how much they’d have to spend elsewhere, which serves as a bit of a ceiling on what Reynolds could get.
I keep waiting for the Dodgers to make this deal and they keep taking longer looks at David Peralta and Jason Heyward. He would raise the floor in CF so much right now from the other high risk/reward options and push them to LF (Taylor, Thompson, Outman), and they’re now a team that should value marginal wins.
Dodgers have acted like a smaller market team this winter in an effort to get back under the luxury tax. Hadn’t quite worked out since they had to eat Trevor Bauer’s remaining salary, but overall they’ve been relatively quiet compared to last year. Cutting Bellinger, letting both Turners sign elsewhwere, and replacing them with in-house options, plus cheaper veterans like Rojas, Peralta, and Heyward. They should still compete for the west as is, but it won’t totally shock me if the Padres pass them this year.
It’s interesting because the Dodgers have tried to make deals like this in the past, like for Dozier and eventually Forsythe. When they do this, it usually means they have identified a player the rest of the league his higher on than them. For whatever reason, Jacob Amaya was that guy and any number of their pitching prospects or Busch or Pages are not. (Or Cartaya, but there are a number of reasons why he would be unlikely to go for Reynolds)
It’d be disappointing if the LA ownership has really decided playing for a top seed is far less profitable than playing for WC1 (which I think is true and my biggest problem with playoff expansion). But then why go back over the cap to get retreads? Confounding.
That’s a great and funny point about LA wanting guys and then not getting them until they were past their prime (Bobby Abreu, Andrew Jones, too, among others). But hey, more recently, they got Manny Machado for Yusnial Diaz and Yu Darvish for Willie Calhoun, and PIT must be familiar with the system that drafted Oneil Cruz.
“Pittsburgh’s offer was six years and $75 million, covering a few years of free agency”
-I don’t think this was ever confirmed by a reliable source. The origination seems to by John Heyman, but even Heyman’s NY Post article says “over $75 million for six years.” The “over” seems to have been left out in most reporting of this story.
I also think that any analysis that treats 2022 like a regular season is missing the mark somewhat. There was no real spring training. Of course all players within 2022 were on a level playing field, but I think it limits the usefulness for historical comps.
Heyman, for what it is worth, is fairly reliable in his reporting.
I don’t think Arson Judge ever signed with the Giants
Arson Judge is going to have a great year in San Francisco!
He’s on fire!!
Cap Arson was also one of the great players of the 19th century, with several 5+ WAR seasons for the White Stockings and Colts
To me he is literally the exact opposite of reliable, but I guess.
I mean it’s probably not more than $80M. Otherwise it would be “more than $80M.
Yeah, unless “over” is on Brady-Anderson-level steroids, I’m not sure that surplus is all that meaningful over 6 yrs…
They left “over” out of the analysis because people like you would latch onto that word as if it were meaningful. If there’s anything Nutting is actually good at in this business, it’s putting out aggrieved public statements about how much money he would like to theoretically spend
“If there’s anything Nutting is actually good at in this business, it’s putting out aggrieved public statements about how much money he would like to theoretically spend”
No lies detected!
Report this morning from DK On Pittsburgh Sports was the Pirates offer was 6yrs/$80MM and CAA countered at 8yrs/$134MM. I think a reasonable compromise would be 7yrs/$110MM with an 8th option year. There’s buzz in the Pirates camp that’s different from past years. This team is going to be way better than people think.
Hard to argue with a good buzz!
If I were a Pirates fan, I’d be trying to stay at least buzzed all the time too.
Define way better. I’m thinking they’re looking at about 70 wins or so. I don’t foresee any sort of Baltimore 2022 jump, even if they have prospects who hit the ground running. They’ll be better, but that can also happen because it’s hard to be worse!
I get it. Cruz is a legit A level prospect, their farm system is good, and everyone likes Cutch. But, I fully expect they’ll find a clever way to break Cruz, fail to finish developing players, and see Cutch look old.
They haven’t developed a star since Cutch, talented players immediately look better when the leave, and, even when good, they refused to spend money. I’m surprised they have any fans left at all.
Counterpoint: I think everybody here would really like to see what a 9 win Oneil Cruz season looks like.
It’d be like Aaron Judge’s 2022, but, you know, maybe at SS?
Aaron Judge’s 2022 except at shortstop would surely be the greatest single season performance in MLB history.
The citizens of Pennsylvania are fortunate to have the Philadelphia Phillies, the Philadelphia Eagles, the Philadelphia Flyers, and whatever is going on in Pittsburgh.
If Nutting was paying attention 10 years ago (you’d hope he was!), he noticed that a big chunk of the Pirates’ swift leap to record attendance was that the good years coincided with down years for the Steelers and (especially) Penguins. Conventional wisdom says fans don’t show up until after the first playoff (or near miss) season, but Pirates fans were so hungry to end the Streak, and Pittsburgh fans were so hungry for any good team, that PNC Park saw a big leap in attendance in 2012, when they fell short of .500 in an agonizing collapse, and then fans were fully present for 2013.
All of which is to say, the Pens are about to hit the skids hard, and there’s no real light at the end of the Steelers tunnel. If the Pirates put a good club on the field, people will show up in droves, despite the damage of the last 5-7 seasons. The die is cast for ’23, and if ZiPS is right about the in-house talent for ’24 and ’25, 95 wins is not on the horizon, but the FO should still be thinking about a situation where they actually sign 2 big deal FAs for next year, gambling that there will be ticket dollars going begging in the market.
IDK. How much can a fan base take? They had a resurgence against all odds. Searage managed to turn garbage into hold and they were actually good for the first time in a generation. There was always the hope that if they get good, ownership would start spending. Needless to say, ownership did not spend. If the Pirates catch fire in a bottle again, there is no longer any hope ownership will spend to sustain it. I think it’ll take more than a couple of winning years to bring the fans back now.
The Flyers? Are you kidding me?
Nothing more annoying than Philly fans when their teams are good, nothing more silent when their teams are bad
However, when their teams are mediocre, they’re the noisiest bunch south of Boston.
I think you’ve got a typo in there: “ZiPS projects the Pirates at 68 wins and a 1.3% chance of making the playoffs in 2022.” The Pirates 2022 playoff likelihood is, in fact, 0%.
The probability of stuff that already happened is 0 or 1.
I didn’t use the term “probability”.
just another point… via Arbitration they probably have him for something like 3 yrs, 7 + 12 + 15ish = 34 million?
Throw in a QO at 23ish after that for either another yr of reynolds or a comp pick
that’s locking him up thru ’25 for 35 or ’26 for $58 mil.
the decline in the ZiPs projections really start around ’27.
i understand why Reynolds wants to be dealt and i understand why the pirates are okay going year to year with him.
as long as Reynolds doesnt let his upset-ness impact his on-field play, then just going year to year and doing the QO is the best play here for the team, IMO.
If reynolds will throw a (maybe justified?) fit, then they have to just deal him yesterday and try to win with those players. And give someone else the reynolds money.
This
The Pirates have his prime 3 years for 35M. They have his next year for the QO (which he’d accept). How cheap could his agents make additional years where Pittsburgh would extend him.
Why would he accept the QO when there would be long-term offers out there?
There is zero chance he would accept a QO, what planet are you on?
in that case the pirates could either give the 20+ million to someone else and get the 1st round pick if he declines, or give 20+ million to reynolds if he accepts.
either way it’s a good outcome that a FO would definitely factoring into its calculations.
Based on how he plays until then and how the farm performs, they may not want to risk him accepting.
That is three years away and in baseball, three years (and expecially three late 20’s years) are an eternity.
Hey Dan, I wanted to see his 2023 projection, and his player page says 4.0 WAR this year and 3.8 next. But your projection above says 3.4. That’s a pretty big gap! I’m guessing this has something to do with playing time projection disagreements between ZiPS and FGDC?
I don’t really know what the deal is here or what they are asking for but whatever it was, it was high enough that the Marlins are converting their only good infield defender to CF and the Rangers are going with a 1-2 punch of Robbie Grossman and Leody Taveras in the outfield.
There are plenty of other teams who could use him, but they’re all anticipating something and are being stingy with their prospects as a result (Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees). I’m not sure where that leaves them. Rumor has it the Pirates want pitching but they probably should be open to center field prospects as well.
I’m not sure the Marlins and Rangers are entirely building their outfield deployments around the availability of a player on another team.
I suspect if the Yanks hadn’t unloaded Waldichuk, Wesneski, and Medina at the deadline last year, Reynolds is the starting LF for the Yanks this year.
In any case, it’s important to remember there is no reason the Pirates have to trade him *now*. Typically speaking the trade return for players with two years of team control isn’t that much less than 3 years. And Reynolds had a pretty lackluster year last year, and it’s possible teams are just not feeling enthusiastic right now. If Reynolds gets off to a hot start they could easily trade him in July for what they’re looking for; if he finishes the year with a bang and his overall year is better than last year, they could probably trade him for something similar to this year’s return. I agree that an extension makes less sense for Reynolds’ spot on the aging curve but that doesn’t imply they need to trade him at this exact moment.
The smart play is to wait and see which is the real Reynolds.
Only if the real one is better than 2022
Not really.
If it’s the same they keep him at what his signed for or whatever they can get in trade. If it’s worse he’s untradeable so they just give him another year.
In both cases they save $80-130M.
If he plays better they either enjoy him on his current deal or they trade him.
2022 happened. You don’t wave it off because of one rabbit ball year.
I’m curious at the Reynolds projection. He hit .300 at every level in the minors and has a .281 career average, but ZIPS puts him at .269 next year and it drops every year after that?
Where can I put money on the over for 34 year old Bryan Reynolds’ projected .246 BA?
Lots of older players who hit for average when young are selling out for power which gets paid. Look at mccutchen himself. Zips sees that, I presume.
Why doesn’t Zips see his HR increasing then?
No rabbit ball.
It does seem strange that a flatter plane swing would decline faster than a max effort uppercut that relies more heavily on bat speed
I feel like it’s the opposite — that flatter path means that you more likely need elite bat speed to generate power (see Stanton, Giancarlo). An uppercut swing needs good speed to run a decent contact rate, but it can still be productive on a lower contact rate if done correctly.
I’ve always felt they should hold on to him. At least for the time being. It doesn’t have to be either extend or buy. Why not a hold?
This isn’t a Soto in Washington situation where you have one monster player and just a steaming pile of wreckage around you. The Pirates are starting to graduate some prospects and they probably need to see what they have with these prospects and young players before they chart a course with Reynolds. If the young players play well and so does Reynolds, the team is likely to be good. And they can surprise some people while he’s in Pgh. Wouldn’t that be nice?
Which is what they’re doing.
I do find it interesting that the Pirates are apparently marketing Reynolds in trade talks like a 5 WAR player but want to pay him like a 2 WAR player. I’ve heard they want a “soto like” package which is insane.
So have I, but it’s from Jon Heyman, who just repeats what Yankees FO sources tell him. That’s not a conflict of interest at all, is it?
Why is it insane?
It’s an auction.
They don’t have to sell so they set the price high to see who comes high enough to pull the trigger. Just because they ask for a 5War Deal doesn’t mean they won’t take a 4War deal. Or a 3WAR deal.
Look at it from the other side: Reynolds asked for a trade so the other guys may be underbidding thinking the Pirates will want the distraction gone.
And Reynolds is now soft selling the request because he’s now stuck in the middle of a test of wills. Everybody is waiting to see who cracks first.
This is insane because they’re treating their best player as something other than a building block with what they hope is the next round of talent coming up. Reynolds, Cruz, Hayes could be a decent core.
I am somewhat optimistic on the Pirates this season if Reynolds stays (73-75 wins).
why does it feel like the natural trade partner to get Reynolds is the Marlins. A top Marlins pitching prospect and Sanchez for Reynolds and a solid pirate pitching prospect?
Reynolds is in the Springfield Mystery Spot of baseball economics.
He’s not good enough (or young enough) to warrant an obvious giant extension (Tatis, JRod), but he is good enough that he will get significantly underpaid by arbitration. But by the time he’s a FA, he likely won’t be able to get a deal that makes up for the arb years due to his age.
He’s good enough that Pittsburgh rightfully expects a strong package to trade him (especially with the 3 yrs of service time left), but he’s got too much risk of being “just average” that teams are reluctant to spend their prospect capital. (It also doesn’t help Reynolds that Pittsburgh needs P depth more than position players.)
There’s a middle ground here, but basically neither side has enough motivation to aggressively pursue it — Pittsburgh has the service time leverage, and Reynolds had a star-level season recently enough to justify trying to get a star deal in FA.