The Case for Keeping the Tigers Together

Even a diminished Justin Verlander is a pretty good Justin Verlander. (Photo: Keith Allison)

The Detroit Tigers should probably undergo a massive sell-off and rebuild, effective immediately. They’re a mediocre, aging team with a bunch of huge contracts set to hurt the franchise for years if they’re not moved. In truth, Detroit probably should have begun to rebuild a year or more ago, when Miguel Cabrera and Justin Verlander might have brought a better return and required less money to go from the Tigers to another team. Detroit has already begun to sell a bit, moving pending free-agent J.D. Martinez for a few middling prospects. Reliever Justin Wilson seems likely to go. The team could and probably should move Verlander for whatever they can get and then net some prospects for Ian Kinsler, as well. All that said, there’s an argument for keeping the core of the Tigers together this year and going for it again next season, too.

The Tigers do have a sliver of hope this season, owing to how the hunt for the AL Wild Card has become a race to the bottom and not the top. That said, whatever decision Detroit makes in the coming month-plus, it won’t really concern their present, but rather their future generally. The Tigers could save some money in the near term by trading some of their long-term deals, but they’ve never hesitated to spend the money required to field a contender.

What the club really needs to consider is how long it’s willing to stomach a rebuild. Holding on to Cabrera and Kinsler and Verlander — and even Michael Fulmer — would only extend and water down any possible rebuild effort. A more effective method would probably be for Detroit to purge itself of its current roster and attempt to start over. That being said, the allure of going for it one more time does have its appeal.

The first argument for trying to contend in 2017 has little to do with the Tigers and more to do with the division of which they’re a member. Take a look at the American League Central in 2017. The Chicago White Sox have done a great job with their own rebuild, but their outlook for 2018 isn’t good. The Kansas City Royals are making one last run with their current group, but are likely to see three of their four best players depart from a team that’s already mediocre. The Minnesota Twins have a few good players in Brian Dozier and Miguel Sano, promising development from Jose Berrios, and untapped talent in Byron Buxton, but given their current level of talent and general spending habits, it seems difficult to believe the Twins are going to be a real threat for contention.

The leaves just Cleveland as the main threat for the division next year. They’re likely to be favorites just like they were this season, but they’re about to lose Carlos Santana, and unless they’re willing to increase payroll or let go of Cody Allen or Michael Brantley, they won’t be able to make any meaningful additions next seasons. Given Cleveland’s great young core on both the position-player and pitching sides, they’ll certainly remain a formidable team, but the Tigers could easily put themselves at number two in the division, in a position to capitalize should Cleveland falter.

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While Detroit isn’t a great club at the moment — and probably won’t be next season, either — it’s also not a team devoid of talent. While most organizations probably wouldn’t want to pay $28 million per season for Justin Verlander, he’s still a solid pitcher. Michael Fulmer has a ton of value. Ian Kinsler is a good player, and so is Justin Upton. Nick Castellanos, meanwhile, has improved his outlook this season. Below, let’s take a look at the decent players the Tigers have on their own roster, and how those players’ projections have changed since the beginning of the season.

Tigers Position-Player Outlook
Name ROS PA WAR ROS WAR/600 ROS WAR/600 Pre Difference
Miguel Cabrera 253 1.4 3.3 3.8 -0.5
Ian Kinsler 239 1.2 3.0 2.9 -0.1
Justin Upton 256 1.3 3.0 2.4 0.6
Alex Avila 210 1.1 3.1 1.8 1.3
Jose Iglesias 230 0.7 1.8 2.0 -0.2
Nick Castellanos 211 0.6 1.7 1.4 0.3
James McCann 90 0.3 2.0 2.0 0.0

Miguel Cabrera’s forecast has declined a bit, but he still projects decently over the rest of the year. Alex Avila has improved his projections considerably and makes a decent trade candidate. Castellanos is now one more season removed from his mediocre 2014 and 2015 campaigns, and his projections have improved a bit. Justin Upton, for his part, has rebounded to form after a rough 2016 season.

While we can’t assume that these projections will be exactly the same next season, it’s fair to say that the team has a halfway decent base on the position-player side, roughly as good as the .500-ish squad they have right now, even without Avila. If Justin Upton opts out of the four years and $88 million remaining on his deal, the team loses a little bit of surplus but gains more payroll freedom.

Here’s what they have on the pitching side:

Tigers Starting-Pitcher Outlook
Name IP ROS ERA ROS FIP ROS WAR ROS WAR/180 ROS WAR/180 Pre Difference
Justin Verlander 82 3.98 3.94 1.5 3.3 3.7 -0.4
Michael Fulmer 79 3.88 3.94 1.4 3.2 2.8 0.4
J. Zimmermann 59 4.78 4.74 0.6 1.8 2.5 -0.7
Daniel Norris 34 4.35 4.32 0.4 2.1 2.3 -0.2
Matt Boyd 34 4.74 4.78 0.4 2.1 1.9 0.2

Verlander has been a bit disappointing, but he’s still a solid pitcher and, outside of a rough start against Cleveland, has pitched pretty well lately, with a 3.67 FIP over his last seven starts (including the no-strikeout, three-walk, two-homer game against Cleveland). Michael Fulmer’s projections keep going up. Zimmermann has taken a bit of a hit, while Daniel Norris looks about the same if he can recover from his groin injury. The team probably won’t exercise Anibal Sanchez’s option, leaving Matt Boyd as the de facto incumbent. So, like the hitters, the Tigers will return roughly the same talent next year to a team that is roughly .500 right now.

The rest of the Tigers are essentially replacement level, which is a bad thing for this year, but it makes it easy to improve the roster heading into next season. Factor in arbitration raises and Kinsler’s option, and the Tigers are looking at around $160 million in payroll, roughly $40 million less than than they’re presently carrying.

That’s roughly $40 million to address holes in the depth chart. That means finding someone for center field (no offense to Mikie Mahtook), right field (no offense to Alex Presley), and designated hitter (Victor Martinez might take offense). In center, Lorenzo Cain might be out of their price range, but Jarrod Dyson or Carlos Gomez might fit. In the corner outfield and designated hitter (or first base), Lucas Duda, Curtis Granderson, and Carlos Santana are all options. Jay Bruce or Carlos Gonzalez, too. A return from J.D. Martinez might be a possibility. Add in another starting pitcher for depth, and the Tigers can contend without increasing payroll.

The team the Tigers have right now is projected to win half of the rest of its games despite almost no projected production from designated hitter, center field, and right field. The Tigers probably should rebuild, but if they are willing to carry a high payroll for one more season, they do have an opportunity to go for it next year. Signing a few of the players mentioned in the previous paragraph isn’t going to get too many people excited about their prospects and won’t make anyone declare the Tigers winners in the offseason, but if the team wants to make one more run, they do have an opportunity to do so.





Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.

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Antonio BananasMember since 2026
9 years ago

I like this. Does the amount of teams blatantly rebuilding also hurt their rebuild chances? There are only so many top 100 prospects and it seems the Braves and ChiSox are hoarding them.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

And Yankees. The three of them have something like 29 of them (by BA’s list).

AnonMember since 2025
9 years ago

You sure about the $160M commitment next year? B-ref has the commitment next year at more like $187M if they exercise Kinsler’s option and reject Sanchez’s option. That figure includes the $6M they are paying the Rangers for Fielder.

AnonMember since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  Craig Edwards

Gotcha. Figured the arbitration cases were part of the difference

PC1970Member since 2024
9 years ago

The elephant in the room is the old Tigers bugaboo- The bullpen. Trade Justin Wilson & you have Alex Wilson, Shane Greene, Rondon, maybe Joe Jimenez & 3 other guys..& they won’t have $$ to spend on free agents.

That looks a lot like this year’s team that will blow enough late leads to make any thoughts of contending a pipe dream.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

The best argument for keeping the Tigers together is that most of their trade pieces aren’t going to get them anything. No one is trading anything for left fielders anymore, so Upton is out. Kinsler, Cabrera, and Verlander are old, expensive, and have at least partial no-trade clauses. If a team wants an upgrade, they probably want someone better than Castellanos, McCann, or Iglesias. Norris and Boyd are having down seasons. Zimmerman and Martinez are expensive and not performing well.

I’ve said this before, but this team looks like the Phillies when Ruben Amaro Jr. waited too long to sell. The only good trade chip they have is Fulmer. The question is whether they want to keep spending money on a declining product or rip off the band-aid to save money…which will hurt and probably not get a ton of prospects.

Ryan21
9 years ago

The Tigers’ TV deal also expires in 2018. Keeping the team together might help prop up ratings for the time being, perhaps allowing them to secure a more favorable deal in the next round of negotiations.

iamlee13
9 years ago

No way their payroll will go back up to previous levels, new owner since Mike died. His son Chris is going to cut payroll to sell the team. Just waiting for Marlins to set market price. I hope they trade everyone not named Fulmer.

LMOTFOTEMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  iamlee13

Fulmer is their only valuable trade asset. JD was perhaps their next best asset and he didn’t bring back much. The entire remainder of the roster is only going to buy lottery tickets and flawed prospects if that. Which is the point of maybe just roll the dice for one more try. If 2018 is also a flop then perhaps some of the pieces gain a little value for trades next summer. But this summer’s trade market does not seem to be offering much value to sellers so far.

baseball bettorMember since 2017
9 years ago

Though most in Detroit seem to believe it, I don’t think the Tigers have any real thoughts on doing a “total rebuild”. Personally I don’t think that make a lot of sense either considering the way the A.L. Central looks like it will play out with no real big money teams in the division for the foreseeable future. None of those teams look to be any better than the Tigers in the future and despite having a bad year, Detroit currently has the best record in the division in head to head games against divisional foes.

Plus like you stated in the article, though some of their big contracts appear to be underwater they still for the most part are players who put up above average production (Verlander, Carbrea , Kinsler) and in a sport without a salary cap overall production is still very important. The Tigers also have potentially a decent young starting pitching staff that’s locked in for the next few years (Boyd, JV, Zim, Norris and Fulmer) also which should at least keep them competitive. Those same five guys finished with the 2nd best SP staff ERA during the 2nd half of last season and did so as one of only a few teams with 3 SP age 25 and younger. Their problem has been everyone of their starters have went backwards this year besides Fulmer. Having solid starting pitching with a decent nucleus at least gives you a chance in a division like this.

Like someone stated above that their TV contract expires after next season also which has to be the worst time to start a total rebuild. Instead I think the goal with what they’re trying to do is to balance out their books which are beyond AWFUL right now. Keep in mind the Tigers lost nearly twice as much money last year as the NEXT highest team in MLB (around -$40 million) and that came from an 86 win team who didn’t get officially eliminated from the playoffs until the final day of the regular season. With an increase in payroll this year and looking like it will be a much worse season overall, you would have to think it will be a combined $100 million dollars lost over the past two years. I’ve heard a big share of Tigers fans complaining that the new owner (Mike Illitch’s son) is doing a huge salary dump as if to blame him and saying he doesn’t care about the team, etc….Considering that nearly every team in MLB made money last season and the fact you are looking at a $100 million loss over the past two years, every sane owner in sports would be doing the same thing, trying to get things back under control. I think Tigers fans got used to their team being run without basically a budget the last 5 years or so but that’s not realistic to expect any team/business to operate like that.

isavage
9 years ago

Why do we think the Tigers would be able to afford a payroll of $200 million when they haven’t been good and haven’t even made the playoffs? They could afford $200 million when they were deficit spending and making yearly deep playoff runs

LMOTFOTEMember since 2017
9 years ago

Actually CF situation isn’t that bad. Mahtook has been playing well for 2 months now. I think Mahtook might have improved from replacement level to average (he’s got a 110 wRC+ w/below avg defense) which would be one less hole to fill, and Presley is a decent 4th OF, not much hit tool but does some things well. For 2018 maybe they only need to fill in RF & DH and it seems like there are always some cheap DH types floating around. Pitching on the other hand….

PC1970Member since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  LMOTFOTE

There best hitting prospect is Christin Stewart who profiles as a LF/DH. You wonder if they try to move Upton to RF & have Stewart kind of platoon LF/DH. Also, don’t forget V-Mart is signed for 2018, Miggy can DH some, too..& Castellanos is a below average 3B with Lugo maybe on the way.

Guess what I’m saying is I wouldn’t be shocked if, in 2018, they transition away from V-Mart some, give Stewart a shot in LF to see if he can handle it. If he can, great. If not, you transition Miggy to DH, at least part time, with Castellanos or Stewart transitioning to 1B, either on a part time or full time basis.