The Envelope Please: Our Hall of Fame Crowdsource Ballot Results
FanGraphs readers want their Hall of Famers, and they want ’em now! That’s the take-home message from the results of our inaugural Hall of Fame Crowdsource Ballot, for which we invited registered users of our site to partake in our version of the real thing. To an even greater degree than the Baseball Writers Association of America — which over the past five years has elected 16 candidates, more than any other five-year stretch in the institution’s history, while using more slots per ballot than at any time since 1966 — our voters went deep, and they weren’t shy about honoring the ballot’s best.
A total of 1,213 users (including some of our staff) cast their electronic ballots (something the Hall of Fame currently does not yet have); they could vote for up to 10 candidates while adhering to the same December 31, 2018 deadline as the voters. Remarkably, more than three-quarters of our voters — 77.6% — used all 10 slots, well above the rate in the @NotMrTibbs Hall of Fame Ballot Tracker (55.8% of the 217 ballots as of midnight ET on Monday), and well beyond the modern BBWAA record of 51%, set in 2015. Our voters averaged a generous 9.41 votes per ballot, again ahead of both the current Tracker (8.61) and the modern BBWAA record (8.46), set last year.
Oh, you want to know who we elected? No fewer than seven of the 35 candidates received at least 75% of the vote from our crowd. Keep in mind, that’s two more than in any actual Hall of Fame class, and three more than in any class besides the 1936 inaugural one (Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Babe Ruth, and Honus Wagner). Not only did our users anoint the three candidates who appear to be locks this year (Roy Halladay, Edgar Martinez, and Mariano Rivera) and the man on the bubble (Mike Mussina), they waved in the slate’s two most controversial candidates, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, and still had ample room to include Larry Walker as well.
Here’s the full breakdown, as well as how our results square up with those in the Tracker as it stood at midnight ET on Monday:
| Player | Crowdsource | Tracker | Dif |
|---|---|---|---|
| Edgar Martinez | 92.5% | 90.8% | 1.7% |
| Mariano Rivera | 91.1% | 100.0% | -8.9% |
| Mike Mussina | 89.2% | 81.6% | 7.6% |
| Barry Bonds | 87.1% | 70.5% | 16.6% |
| Roger Clemens | 85.7% | 71.0% | 14.7% |
| Roy Halladay | 82.6% | 92.6% | -10.0% |
| Larry Walker | 79.6% | 65.4% | 14.2% |
| Scott Rolen | 61.1% | 20.7% | 40.4% |
| Curt Schilling | 59.0% | 70.5% | -11.5% |
| Manny Ramirez | 44.1% | 24.9% | 19.2% |
| Andruw Jones | 43.3% | 8.3% | 35.0% |
| Todd Helton | 26.5% | 18.0% | 8.5% |
| Gary Sheffield | 20.8% | 13.8% | 7.0% |
| Billy Wagner | 16.7% | 16.6% | 0.1% |
| Fred McGriff | 16.0% | 38.7% | -22.7% |
| Sammy Sosa | 12.5% | 11.5% | 1.0% |
| Andy Pettitte | 12.5% | 6.9% | 5.6% |
| Jeff Kent | 7.3% | 17.1% | -9.8% |
| Omar Vizquel | 4.9% | 37.8% | -32.9% |
| Lance Berkman | 4.4% | 0.9% | 3.5% |
| Roy Oswalt | 2.3% | 0.9% | 1.4% |
| Rick Ankiel | 0.5% | 0.0% | 0.5% |
| Kevin Youkilis | 0.5% | 0.0% | 0.5% |
| Michael Young | 0.4% | 1.4% | -1.0% |
| Miguel Tejada | 0.4% | 0.9% | -0.5% |
| Placido Polanco | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| Vernon Wells | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| Travis Hafner | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| Derek Lowe | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| Darren Oliver | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| Juan Pierre | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
In an electorate roughly triple the size of the actual one, and 5.6 times the number published in the Tracker, Rivera was not only not unanimous, he wasn’t even the top vote-getter. Meanwhile, Mussina outdistanced Halladay, and all seven candidates cleared the 75% bar with considerable room to spare.
As for where our voters differed most from those in the Tracker, defense carried the day, at least to a point. Rolen, who ranks third among third basemen in both fielding runs (+175) and Gold Gloves (eight), received about triple the support he’s gotten in the Tracker, and Jones, who’s tops among center fielders in fielding runs (+236) and won 10 Gold Gloves, got nearly five times as much support. On the other hand — and I swear I’m not making this up — the 11-time Gold Glove-winning Vizquel, who’s 18th in fielding runs among shortstops (+129), fell below the 5% mark. Don’t worry, we’re not going to Five Percent him off our crowdsource ballot next year. Our voters were generally much more forgiving of candidates linked to PEDs, whether they were actually suspended by MLB (Ramirez) or not (Bonds, Clemens, and Sheffield). Even Pettitte and Sosa did better with our electorate than they are in the Tracker.
Besides Vizquel, our voters were not as keen as the actual electorate on McGriff or Schilling, and to a lesser but still significant extent, the same was true for both Halladay and Rivera. None of the 217 published ballots excluded the latter (one voter kept his dissent in his pocket, so we can stop talking about it), but 108 of our voters did so.
According to FanGraphs developer Sean Dolinar, who deserves a hat-tip for building our ballot and providing me with the data, there were 660 different ballot combinations, of which 532 appeared just once. The five most frequent combinations all included the seven candidates who topped 75%, as well as Rolen — the “Big Eight,” if you will — with these variations:
| Combination | Total | Pct |
|---|---|---|
| Jones, Schilling | 82 | 6.76% |
| Ramirez, Schilling | 65 | 5.36% |
| Jones, Ramirez | 35 | 2.89% |
| Helton, Schilling | 25 | 2.06% |
| Helton, Jones | 22 | 1.81% |
Just below that, tied at 13 ballots, was our top nine-candidate slate (Schilling plus eight) and a 10-candidate ballot that omitted Rolen but included Ramirez, Jones, and Schilling. Only one voter in the Tracker, the New York Post’s Ken Davidoff, actually had our top combination, but six had our number two choice (you can see the other combinations in the Tracker here). While only one voter in the Tracker (Tracy Ringolsby) matched my virtual ballot, which included Helton and Wagner plus the eight, six of our voters did so.
Here’s our breakdown of ballots by the number of slots used, and how it compares to the Tracker:
| Votes | Crowdsource | Pct | Tracker | Pct |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 10 | 941 | 77.6% | 121 | 55.8% |
| 9 | 87 | 7.2% | 25 | 11.5% |
| 8 | 70 | 5.8% | 23 | 10.6% |
| 7 | 51 | 4.2% | 9 | 4.1% |
| 6 | 21 | 1.7% | 14 | 6.5% |
| 5 | 23 | 1.9% | 14 | 6.5% |
| 4 | 12 | 1.0% | 3 | 1.4% |
| 3 | 4 | 0.3% | 5 | 2.3% |
| 2 | 3 | 0.2% | 2 | 0.9% |
| 1 | 1 | 0.1% | 1 | 0.5% |
Neither the Tracker nor our crowdsource included a blank ballot, thankfully. One was submitted for realzies last year by a voter who remained anonymous, while Bill Livingston and Murray Chass did so in 2017. Speaking of what we might charitably call “former Spink Award Winners who take great joy in presenting exceedingly minimal ballots,” the Rivera-only vote of Dan Shaughnessy was matched by one voter in our crowdsource, though I don’t believe “The Shank” is a registered user here.
As for ballots that used two slots, while the Tracker contains Rivera-Halladay and Rivera-Martinez combinations, we had a Rivera-McGriff, a Rivera-Mussina, and — here’s an outlier for you — a Schilling-Walker. We had one crossover with the Tracker when it came to three-ballot combos (Halladay-Rivera-Martinez). The rest of ours all included Halladay, with Rivera-Mussina, Rivera-Helton and Schilling-Wagner combos, while those in the Tracker had Halladay-Rivera-Walker, Halladay-Rivera-Schilling, Bonds-Clemens-Rivera and Martinez-Rivera-Vizquel.
When Hall of Fame president Jeff Idelson opens that envelope on MLB Network on Tuesday evening, he certainly won’t be calling out seven names. By now, most of the suspense boils down to whether Rivera will be the first unanimous selection (probably not, but it’s newsworthy until somebody dissents), and which side of the coin comes down for Mussina; Jason Sardell (@sarsdell) projected his chance of topping the 75% threshold at 63%. Whether three or four candidates are elected this year, just remember that you, the FanGraphs crowd, are the ones who really got it right.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
It is a joy and a pleasure to see Bonds slightly above Clemens, not the other way around.
Not even here could we save Berkman from falling off the ballot.
Surprised that not only was Mariano not close to 100%, but also behind Edgar. Oh well, it’s the interwebz.
I always assumed Mo would not get 100% on the real ballot but I can’t wait to see. Maybe the peer pressure will get it done. I’ve already noted Bill Ballou refusing to turn in a ballot cause he wasn’t going to vote for Mo and didn’t want to catch shit for it. Also, Christina Kahrl at espn said she wanted to use a vote on someone else because she knows mo will get in but she voted for him anyway to avoid catching shit. I gotta figure he still doesn’t get 100% but this “I’m not gonna be blamed for it just in case I’m the only one” thing is hilarious to watch.
I’m guessing the FG crowd is more willing to engage in the HOF voting “meta-game” than the average real HOF voter. In this case, I think that means that voters who wanted to elect more than ten were willing to leave off the “locks,” assuming they’d get in anyway.
I definitely did exactly that.
Or we simply understand that the number “100%” is worth less than the toilet paper it’s printed on.
You have 100% written on your toilet paper?
I voted for Rivera, but I could easily have left him off on the basis that he’s still just a pitcher who couldn’t make it as a starter and pitched less than 1300 innings.
Seriously, not voting for a reliever when there are worthy full time players available does not need to be a tactical choice.
No player is full time
I am not “The Shank”. Just a very small Hall guy who would gladly vote for Halliday next year.
“Small Hall” is complete bullshit and always has been. It’s nothing more than an excuse to keep out deserving players because they played when you were an adult instead of when you were a kid. Historically, 25% of eligible players (10+ years MLB) have gotten in. There are right now 42 players in the Hall who were active in 1982.
Thank you for the respect. Glad to see you’re open to another person’s views, and are able to support you’re own without relying on profanity and able to keep this site family and child friendly. Good job there. Perhaps one feels that the 25% figure you quote without support is too high and the mistakes of the past should not be repeated?
The support you want is in an article penned by Dave Cameron on this very website.
So which 150 or so players would you remove from the Hall? Because if you can’t come up with a list that large, you are confirming my thesis that “small Hall” arguments are nothing more than an excuse to exclude players whose careers began after you reached adulthood even though their on-field accomplishments meet or exceed those of players already enshrined.
Oh, and because it offended you so much, fuck.
Off the top of my head, without looking at anything, here are some players I believe should not be in the Hall of Fame:
Harold Baines
Tommy McCarthy
Highpockets Kelly
Freddie Lindstrom
Travis Jackson
Burleigh Grimes
Rube Marquard
Jim Rice
Barry Larkin
Elmer Flick
John Smoltz
Andre Dawson
Lloyd Waner
Don Sutton
Eppa Rixey
Stan Coveleski
Nellie Fox
Frank Chance
Joe Tinker
Rick Ferrell
Jim O’Rourke
Jimmy Collins
Herb Pennock
Heinie Manusch
Kiki Cuyler
Red Ruffing
Red Faber
Jim Bunning
Earl Combs
Joe Kelley
Harry Hooper
Jim Bottomley
Can you cite a source for that 25% figure?
Look at the number of first-time eligible players who will fall off this ballot vs. the number who will get in (all of whom were active 10 years+). 2 will get in (Halladay, Mo) and 13 will likely not (Pettitte being the only edge case, I’m putting him as a “no”). And that doesn’t even include the guys with 10-year careers who didn’t make the ballot.
Look at next year’s potential ballot on B-Ref. Jeter will get in, 26 others first-timers wont. Way below 25%
I’m not a “small hall” guy, but no one is making excuses to try and keep out deserving players.
FG filters links in comments, but the source is this very website. Specifically an article by Cameron a few years ago, if you google “Dave Cameron hall of fame standard” it’ll be the first or second result.
I’m confused. You’re a very small hall guy yet a reliever is the one guy who makes the cut??
Larry Walker lives!!!!
That’s definitely the most exciting thing about this ballot for me.
I’m pretty sure ESPN had an article up with how all of their writers/associates with HOF votes voted. I’m pretty sure that one of the guys didn’t vote for Rivera, since he was a shoo-in.
No, they all voted for Mo. Christina Kahrl said she thought about not voting for him, but she still did vote for him in the end. All public ballots as of 11am EST picked him according to the hof tracker
Thanks, I obviously misremembered then (if that is a word).
Rivera is still at 100% on all public ballots. My guess is that one voter leaves him off, and it’ll probably be a ballot with nobody except McGriff and Vizquel checked.
If and when Bonds/Clemens get in, Manny Ramirez should be the next shoo-in given his history.
I only started watching baseball in 2014. I wonder if I’ll care about the HoF when players I actually saw start getting on the ballot. Right now these guys are just names, numbers and Youtube clips to me.
Part of the appeal of baseball is the history, kid. That’s why we love arguing about the Hall so much. Learn to appreciate the greats of the past for a deeper and more rewarding fan experience.
I definitely appreciate them, hence why I watch the Youtube videos and have a bunch of books/audiobooks about the olden days. I just wonder if, when the day comes, I’ll have strong feelings either way about HoF candidates. As I picked the Phillies as ‘my team’ the closest I have right now is deciding if Utley has a case or not.
I can tell you from firsthand experience that this is definitely the case. I watched baseball as a kid, stopped paying attention for about a decade and came back to it in the mid 2000s. Having witnessed, for myself, the bulk of Halladay’s career, the tail end of Clemens and Bonds, and seen Rivera carve up the league like a turkey for a decade, this year’s HoF class definitely feels different for me.
I love the history of the game but for the first time I’m actually emotionally rooting for a few players to get in.
I’ve been following baseball since the mid-late 80’s — my first clear memory is the 1986 NLCS — and so I watched the careers of most of the inductees since 1999. The ratio of “this guy was an absolute Hall of Famer while I was watching” to “I never really thought this guy was anything special” is about 50/50.
The thing about it is, many of the players who ABSOLUTELY felt like Hall of Famers are ones who don’t show up very well in analytics. Like, yeah, obviously Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez and Cal Ripken Jr. and Frank Thomas felt like Hall of Famers while they were playing. But a lot of the guys who have gotten in that Fangraphs readers scoff at ABSOLUTELY felt like Hall of Famers while they were playing. Watching Vladimir Guerrero hit a ball off his shoelaces or throw a ball in from right field so hard that you couldn’t actually believe it was happening, he unquestionably felt like a Hall of Famer. Watching Jack Morris in the playoffs, he absolutely felt like a Hall of Famer.
I think that’s also why the Harold Baines selection was so infuriating to so many people. Like, not only do the stats not back him up, but while he was playing, he felt nothing whatsoever like a Hall of Famer. He felt basically like Edwin Encarnacion. Like, yeah, he’s a good bat to have in your lineup, and he’ll be in demand at the trade deadline if he’s available and somebody needs a DH, but, like… he’s nothing special. He’s just there, hitting, for a long time.
I’d be curious to know how many of those who didn’t vote for Rivera still voted for 10 candidates. I’d have a hunch that there were a large number of Fangraphs voters who left off Rivera purely for strategic reasons.
I get that his political views have been a detriment to him, but voting Halladay and Mussina in over Schilling would be a shame. I get his win total is 216, but it’s higher than Halladay. His BBR WAR is 80.6, which is comparable to Mussina, who has 82.9 and ahead of Halladay who has 65.5. Add in his post season performance and the fact that he’s over 3000 career Ks, he should be in already.
Schilling was on track for election until he decided to advocate for the murder of journalists. His political views weren’t hurting him, but his desire to kill the people who vote for the HoF definitely is.
Yeah, he really wanted journalists killed. SMH
If the character clause means anything at all, Curt Schilling should not be in the Hall of Fame. Like, if he gets in, you basically need to just do away with that entirely because it’s completely meaningless.
He’s not a murderer, chill
Advocating for the election of a white supremacist to public office (Paul nehlen) is one of the most unforgivable acts one can commit, to my mind. I would be saddened to see a person who does that receive the highest honor from a sport that has had such great ambassadors as Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, and Roberto Clemente.
We can all argue the character clause either way, but it is also relevant that the journalist comments and pretty much most to all of everything controversial the guy said was in more recent years. If you go back to 2013, his first year on the ballot, which predates those comments, he got 38.8% of the vote. By contrast, Glavine, Smoltz and now Halladay were sent in on their first year. That is some really bad baseball comprehension. I think we should all at least be able to agree Schilling should have gone in then, or gotten close.
He also bilked the State of Rhode Island out of tens of millions of dollars. And keep in mind that the people voting for the Hall of Fame are journalists, and he has always been, by all accounts, an absolutely loathsome person to interact with.
Surprised Schilling scored so low here
I came here to say this. The only way Schilling is below Mussina here has to be because of his … problematic … public statements. Surprised that the FG crowd places such a weight on them, honestly, not because of their content but because it’s decidedly a non-statistical consideration.
FTR, I loathe Schilling’s public persona, and I selected him on my ballot.
I suspect many voters found it easy enough to leave Schilling off a full ballot, but would have included him if there weren’t 10+ worthy candidates.
He advocated murdering journalists.
Are you a dumbass?
The Vizquel number really surprises me given that public sentiment is around 25-40%. Then again this may be an effect of the crowded ballot — hard to put him in your top 10 — as much as a view Vizquel is not a Hall of Famer.
I’m rooting for Rivera to be unanimous.
The one thing that separates Rivera from other closers isn’t just the sum of his regular season stats. He was blessed to be on a team consistently in the playoffs and was absolutely video-game dominant for 141 postseason innings against the best teams at the most crucial of times.
We have never seen anyone with postseason stats that were so incredibly better than HOF-worthy regular season stats except Rivera, and maybe never will again.
If it signifies a shift in voting (i.e., no more folks that say nobody deserves to get in on their first ballot), ok.
Rolen and Vizquel over/underperforming is expected but the extent to which they did is a bit surprising.
Also shocked at how well Manny did here.
The man got suspended twice(!) long after the league’s stance on PED became clear.
Oswalt being one and done is a real shame, both here and IRL. Hopefully a committee gives him a fair shake in the future.
I liked Oswalt, but unless a guy has absolutely unreal peak numbers (think Pedro, Kouffax), a career as short as Oswalt’s is not Hall worthy, in my book.
Hoyt Wilhelm, a reliever, had more IP than Oswalt. Dennis Eckersley, a closer for half of his career, had 34 more wins.
Hall of very good, for sure.
We’re way better at this than the BBWAA.
The 9% who didn’t include Mo, were like myself and technically voting for 11 guys.