The Indians as the Anti-Royals
In an unexpected turn of events, the Royals are fighting with the Tigers to try to win the AL Central, which hasn’t escaped your attention. The Tigers have been hurt by Justin Verlander being replaced by Chris Volstad, and by Joe Nathan being also replaced by Chris Volstad. The Royals, meanwhile, have been helped by an overall clutch team performance and an amazing defensive outfield. At this point, the division is almost a toss-up, where as recently as a few weeks ago it looked like the Tigers would advance without breaking a sweat.
Looking up at both of those teams, not quite out of the race but not quite in the middle of it, are the Indians. Though the Indians haven’t been markedly worse than the Royals, they have, in several ways, been the anti-Royals. The Royals have been clutch, and the Indians haven’t. The Royals have outplayed their BaseRuns, and the Indians haven’t. The Royals haven’t hit well, and the Indians have. The Royals haven’t had a strong rotation, and the Indians have. And then you get to the fielding. There is no greater difference between the two teams than there is in the field, where the Royals have been great and where the Indians have been less than that.
Let’s rewind to late April. On April 23, Mike Petriello published a post titled “The Indians Are Missing The Easy Ones“. Those early-season Indians were mistake-prone in the field, throwing out what was statistically the worst team defense in baseball. Whenever you have a team playing at an extreme over a small sample, you expect the team to look more average going forward, because that’s just the nature of what regression is. In general, the principle holds true. In the case of the Indians, it hasn’t come true.
Those Royals are seventh in baseball by Defensive Runs Saved, but first in baseball by UZR. To a great extent they have their outfield to thank. The Indians, meanwhile, are last in baseball by DRS, and they’re last in baseball by UZR. And it gets worse. They’re last in baseball by UZR by more than 13 runs. They’re last in baseball by DRS by more than 30 runs. The Indians don’t just have the worst statistical defense in the league — they’ve set up trip wires around the perimeter. They don’t want another team to come by. They don’t want another team to get close.
You might wonder, have there been any signs of progress? Let’s look at the Indians’ month-to-month Defense ratings, as provided by our leaderboard splits:
| Month | Rank | Out Of |
|---|---|---|
| April | 30 | 30 |
| May | 30 | 30 |
| June | 29 | 30 |
| July | 30 | 30 |
| August | 30 | 30 |
Remember that Defense is all about UZR and position adjustments. In April, the Indians were the worst defensive team in the league. The same was true in May. In June, they climbed out of last! In July they returned, and they’re right back there in August. If nothing else, this is remarkable consistency, and if the pitchers haven’t yet adjusted maybe they have only themselves to blame.
So how do the Indians stack up over the course of recent history? As we’ve gone over before, we have DRS data going back to 2003, and we have UZR going back to 2002. Let’s look at a breakdown, shall we? I’ve extrapolated 2014 data to a full season, so that everyone shares a common denominator.
| Stat | Rank | Out Of |
|---|---|---|
| UZR, team | 389 | 390 |
| DRS, team | 358 | 360 |
| UZR, infield | 387 | 390 |
| DRS, infield | 346 | 360 |
| UZR, outfield | 384 | 390 |
| DRS, outfield | 355 | 360 |
The Indians are on track to have the second-worst UZR since 2002, and the third-worst DRS since 2003. Where is this coming from? According to both metrics, the Indians have had a lousy defensive infield. According to both metrics, the Indians have also had a lousy defensive outfield. So, again, you’re getting an idea of their consistency. As we’ve probably gone over a bunch of times, it can make you stop in your tracks when the defensive numbers disagree with one another. If DRS says something different from UZR, then you need to dig deeper to see what might be causing the disagreement. Here, DRS and UZR paint just about exactly the same picture. Both of them hate the defense, which has been both error-prone and relatively immobile. Not every single player is to blame, but I don’t feel like singling anybody out. Everyone has in some way been a part of this.
Already, the Indians have the fifth-worst UZR since 2002, and it’s the middle of August. Already, they have the 11th-worst DRS. There’s only one obviously worse defensive unit, and it belonged to the 2005 Yankees. To make the Indians feel better, those Yankees finished 95-67, but they also hit the absolute crap out of the ball, which can make up for a lot of deficiencies. Those Yankees had a 116 wRC+. These Indians are hanging at 104, so, advantage, New York.
For Cleveland I’d say this isn’t a total shock. Between 2009-2013, they ranked fourth-worst by DRS, and first-worst by UZR. They haven’t had a good defense since 2008, and it’s not like this is something you can just up and fix with ease. The last two years they’ve been an above-average offense, and sometimes you just have to take the bad with the good. But the 2014 Indians are on the outside of the playoff picture looking in, and their primary weakness has been the fielding, which hasn’t supported a pitching staff that’s had one of the highest strikeout rates ever. And that’s a credit to the arms — were there more balls in play, this would all only look worse.
You can win with a bad defense. You can lose with an awesome defense. The Indians and Royals might still both miss the playoffs, despite occupying opposite extremes in that regard. You always always always only want to care about overall value. But if the Indians do indeed miss out, it’s going to be hard not to blame the gloves. This has been one of the worst defenses in more than a decade, and just because something can be overcome doesn’t mean it’s going to be simple.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
No mention of a certain star defensive SS prospect just chillin in Columbus?
Sure, he would be awful at the plate, but his glove might be worth it if they want to get to the playoffs. Their Masterson and Cabrera trades indicate that they are probably not shooting for the postseason this year, though.
Should JP Arencibia be commenting on a piece that involves defense as a topic?
Lindor could be a decent-enough hitter even this year – great eye, no power. Masterson and Cabrera were impending free agents who were also not contributing – they were easily replaced from within by Ramirez and Salazar. They’re still trying to get a wild card, but aren’t selling out to do it.
The Cleveland Peasants
“The Royals haven’t had a strong rotation, and the Indians have”
Royals top 5 starting pitchers: 9.4 WAR
Indians top 5: 9.0 WAR
I was going off what was a nine-point FIP- gap, but I wrote this yesterday afternoon, and then Jason Vargas threw a shutout. Ehh, still a gap, and it’s a minor point. If you prefer, you can just think of it as: the Indians have had a good strikeout rotation, and the Royals haven’t.
Is there any correlation between high strikeouts and bad defense? Intuition says fielders might get bored/rusty if they aren’t making a lot of plays
Probably something causal the other way – bad defense means fewer BIP turn into outs, means more batters faced means same K%=more total K.
But high K% vs. bad defense…not sure.
We’ve seen that higher K rates lend to better BABIPs, which presumably means weaker contact.
@JDG
Pretty sure that’s a spurious relationship, with the Z factor being that good pitchers do both.
Pitching does have something to do with defense. Defenses are set for a pitcher working a batter in a certain way.
A pitcher who misses spots gets balls hit to where the fielders ain’t. Royals pitchers are good at hitting the spots and a lot of their mistakes are flyballs to center and in the range of three of the premier OFs in the game including two with probably the best range in the business with Cain and Dyson. Hit the glove with the called for pitch and the fielders will be positioned and leaning the right way. That’s why I’ve suggested the need for a new stat: PIF, Pitching Independent Fielding. An inaccurate pitcher can make a defense look bad.
Most of this is Corey Kluber. After that I’d say they are similar, with maybe the Royals having a slight edge. Vargas, Ventura and Duffy comparing favorably to Bauer, Masterson, Tomlin and Salazar. Cleveland gets more strikeouts, but overall effectiveness is similar.
Yeah, it is a minor point, but you kind of boned it, and you had to know that plenty of Royals fans would be reading this. Not trolling, and I enjoyed the piece, and I had no idea Cleveland was so epically bad on defense, but even minor points matter, particularly for this fan base and during this season when we might be treated to playoff baseball in KC for the first time since 1985.
Does pitching to the park play a part in this? Royals have a huge outfield with outstanding outfield defense. So, pitchers who induce batters to hit the ball in the air are a + in Kauffman. I am not a numbers cruncher, though I love SABRmetrics. But this can’t be discounted. Put the ball in play in the air in Kauffman, and chances are it gets caught. So, in a sense, the Royals have the best starting rotation for their park, as all the guys are contact-first pitchers (even Ventura) who don’t care if you hit the ball in the air.
It’s useless to simply cherry pick the top five starters. More than five pitchers have made starts for both teams (well, I know this to be the case for the Indians and presumably it’s true for the Royals). Why shouldn’t those other starts be counted? If they are, the Indians rotation has been better by WAR and xFIP as commented below.
Sorry, top 5 was quickest way to add them up. Fact remains, stats don’t back up saying the 2 rotations are widely varying.
For Royals, top 5 is pretty accurate. You miss out on a few starts by Bruce Chen, but if you squint they would look just like Guthrie starts.
(I’ve been told that Aaron Brooks started a game, but for some reason I can’t remember anything about that particular afternoon.)
extra props to kluber then
Especially considering he’s apparently the 3rd best defender on the team…
Not surprising.
Royals Starters’ WAR: 9.1 (13th in MLB)
Indians Starters’ WAR: 10.5 (6th in MLB)
Royals Starters’ xFIP: 4.09 (25th in MLB)
Indians Starters’ xFIP: 3.51 (3rd in MLB)
Sources:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=18,d
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,a
Sorry, was meant to be a reply to Smokey.
In the outfield it has kinda been an issue of Bourn being hurt or not playing up to his past standards, with Brantley having to cover cf. Although, small sample size fluke, he has a positive uzr in center and majorly negative in left.
The Swisher Bourn signings were decent ideas that haven’t exactly worked out.
Man, those ’05 Yankees were slow. That ALDS against the Angels looked like a rec league softball game with all the extra bases being taken.
For the regular season: Of the regulars only Jorge Posada posted a positive Def value. And only Jeter, Matsui, Sheffield, and Womack (351 PA!) posted positive BsR values. Good thing for them they could hit.
The Royals’ rotation and the outfield defense: made for each other. I was also going to point out that the Royals’ bullpen is clearly superior to Cleveland’s, until I noticed the Indians outpace them in xFIP. Looks like outfield defense and a cavernous stadium are to be thankful for in this regard too.
Is there a great advantage to using UZR/DRS for team defensive numbers versus defensive efficiency? Arm ratings/double play runs maybe?
I’m just wondering, since this is mostly about how immobile the Indians are.
What does this mean? “If nothing else, this is remarkable consistency, and if the pitchers haven’t yet adjusted maybe they have only themselves to blame.”
How do you adjust to a horrible outfield and infield defense? By striking everyone out. Or trying to. Which is what they’ve been doing. What is the other option? Refusing to pitch? Walking everyone? Pitching from second base? Underhand? Alternate pitches between their dominant arm and their non-dominant arm?
Please Yoda tell me – adjust how? What hidden meaning am I missing?!
It was a throwaway joke about their impossible situation
Do or do not, there is no try.
(But only a Sith deals in absolutes!)
The Cleveland defense has looked pretty awful in every game I’ve watched of theirs, but it’s always good to see something like this actually qualified.
All I have to say is GO YAN GOMES!!!!! The only significantly plus defender on the team.