The Jay of Reckoning Is Upon Us

Kevin Sousa-USA TODAY Sports

The first deadline of the 2025 season has come and gone: February 17, the last day Vladimir Guerrero Jr. was open to signing an extension with the Blue Jays before he hits free agency this coming winter. While both Guerrero and Toronto GM Ross Atkins remain interested in continuing their partnership, it does not appear that the two sides were close to a deal. Guerrero has his price, and the Jays didn’t meet it. No hard feelings; we’ll talk again in November.

It seems like just last week that Guerrero brought his bonkers power and elite hit tool up to the majors, but time flies. Should Guerrero choose to play elsewhere next season, losing him would be a definitive moment in Blue Jays history. Not just because of his star power and the hype that accompanied him since he first signed with the team as an amateur free agent, but because he’s Toronto’s best player by far.

There have been some ups and downs in Guerrero’s career, but in 2024 he hit .323/.396/.544 in 159 games and 697 plate appearances. For those of you who want something meatier than “he hit .300 with 30 homers and 100 RBI,” that’s a wRC+ of 165.

I want to place that number — a 165 wRC+ — in a little context. Because I think popular baseball discourse tends to smooth over the distinction between good players and great ones by treating all All Star-level players, say, as roughly equivalent. It’s the “in the conversation” thing I keep harping on, and the very best players in baseball, especially the hitters, get underrated as a result.

In the past decade, there have been 41 individual seasons of 500 or more plate appearances and a wRC+ of 160 or better. Vladito was sixth in wRC+ last year; most seasons, that number will get you a spot or two higher. But also, Brent Rooker posted a 164 wRC+. Marcell Ozuna was at 155. You don’t have to be a franchise hitter to have one franchise season at the plate.

But Guerrero is one of 11 players who’s posted multiple 160 wRC+ seasons in the past 10 years. Eight of those players have won at least one MVP Award. (The exceptions: Guerrero, Juan Soto, and Yordan Alvarez. Give it time; that’ll probably change.) Most of those 11 players either are yet to reach free agency or signed long-term extensions before they could get there.

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The four who did hit free agency in their prime — Bryce Harper, Aaron Judge, Shohei Ohtani, and Soto — have something in common: Each one set a new record for richest free agent contract in baseball history.

That’s the short version for why it was always going to be tough to sign Vladito to an extension: He can credibly claim to be one of the rarest, most special hitters in baseball. He’ll also be hitting free agency at age 26, which means whichever club signs him will be getting more prime and less decline phase than, say, a 30-year-old free agent. It also makes it palatable to spread a contract over 13 or 15 years, rather than eight or 10. Youth has been a selling point for record-breaking free agents for decades, from Soto to Harper and Manny Machado, to Alex Rodriguez all the way back at the start of this century.

So there’s this sales pitch on one hand. On the other are the reasons for caution. When I say I’d worry about signing Guerrero to a 15-year contract, I want to be specific about why. Guerrero gets a lot of grief for his body shape; I don’t care about that even a little. We’re not selling jeans here, I heard someone say.

What does concern me is the overall player profile of a right-right first baseman with bad defensive numbers and a fine-but-not-awesome walk rate. So, you know, exactly the same reason Pete Alonso had to slink back to New York without the last six years of the contract he wanted. Add to those concerns Guerrero’s frequently troubling propensity to pound the ball into the ground at a million miles an hour, plus his inconsistency. Those two monsters seasons were three years apart, with a lot of ugliness in the meatime.

Vladito, in addition to being four years and change younger than Alonso, is a better player by some margin. In a good year, the Blue Jays slugger is good for an additional 50 points of batting average, and by extension OBP. His career strikeout rate is seven percentage points lower, and in 2024, Guerrero struck out only slightly more than half as frequently as Alonso. Far from posting a wRC+ in the 160s twice, Alonso’s career high is just 144, and his wRC+ over the past two seasons is 121.

But there’s a sizeable gap — more than $700 million, as it turns out — between Alonso’s contract and Soto’s. Where Guerrero deserves to go in that range, I don’t know. Whether he’ll get whatever he’s worth is an even bigger mystery.

One thing that’s working against him is that the big spenders don’t have anywhere to put him. The four biggest payrolls in the league belong to the Dodgers, Mets, Phillies, and Yankees. The Dodgers are committed to Ohtani and Freddie Freeman. The Mets could move on from Alonso in the short term, but considering that Soto will likely need to move to first base or DH eventually, they’d be locking in their easiest two defensive positions through the 2030s. The Phillies have Harper at first and I’d be surprised if they don’t extend Kyle Schwarber.

Maybe the Yankees could have Guerrero keep first base warm for two years and then move him to DH when Giancarlo Stanton’s contract expires after the 2027 season. (I bet you thought Stanton’s contract would never expire.) OK, that’s a decent fit, though the Yankees’ willingness to spend waxes and wanes year by year.

I’m not going to go down the line any further, because — believe it or not — the Blue Jays are currently running the fifth-highest payroll in the league. They’re currently lined up to hit the first competitive balance tax surcharge threshold, and a modest raise for Guerrero would probably put them over the second.

Only, he’s not their only key free agent after this season. The Jays are also set to lose Chad Green, Max Scherzer, Chris Bassitt, and Bo Bichette as well. None of those players are irreplaceable, but they’re all valuable. Well, the last three are valuable at any rate. I’ll put it this way: I understand why the Blue Jays might be frustrated enough to move on from Bichette, but finding a better starting shortstop who makes less than $17 million is going to be tough.

And that’s just what it’d take to tread water. The Blue Jays — who play in a massive market and have a deep-pocketed corporate owner — can stand to run a $250 million payroll. But for that much money, it’s reasonable to expect to make the playoffs at a minimum.

Take this for what it’s worth, but we’ve got the Blue Jays projected to go 82-80, with a 38.0% chance of making the postseason. This is a pretty good team, but it’s a brutal division that got even less forgiving when the Red Sox added Walker Buehler, Garrett Crochet, and Alex Bregman this winter.

All of this is to say the following: The Blue Jays are at a crossroads. We blinked, and that delightful swashbuckling, free-swinging club is getting old and expensive. And since the Great Second-Generation Player Cavalcade of 2018-19 (which saw the debuts of Guerrero, Bichette, Cavan Biggio, and Lourdes Gurriel Jr.), Toronto has appeared in the playoffs three times. But “appeared” is the strongest word I feel comfortable using, because the Jays went home without winning a game all three times.

I had a lot of faith in the core Toronto built back then, but the results have been — at best — a moderate disappointment. That group’s going to get one last go-around. After that, Atkins, Mark Shapiro, and whichever functionaries from Rogers sign the checks are going to have to make a choice.

Do the Blue Jays ride this out or blow it up and try something new? Option A probably means re-signing Guerrero, whatever it takes. Option B necessitates a second choice: Try to rebuild quickly, or return to the state of affairs the team operated under for 20 years, starting in 1994. Those Blue Jays teams were mostly forgettable. There was always something else to blame: The division is too stacked; the Yankees are too rich; the Canadian dollar is too weak. (Not that I’m feeling great about the strength of the American dollar over the next few years, but that’s a problem for another day.)

The excuses will always be there. This much I know beyond a shadow of a doubt. What remains to be seen is this: Will the Blue Jays need them?





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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grandbranyanMember since 2017
1 year ago

What kind of numbers do we think it would have taken to lock up Vlad (or Kyle Tucker) with a pre-FA extension?

10/350 for Kyle? Maybe 12/420 for Vlad since he is a couple years younger?

PlatypiMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

I think those are both low, mostly just based on AAV

grandbranyanMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Platypi

Only position players to get a $35M AAV per Cot’s are Soto ($51M), Judge ($40M), Trout ($35.5M), Correa ($35.1M on a three year deal) and Rendon ($35M).

Lindor got $34.1M AAV on his pre-FA extension.

PlatypiMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

Yeah, some of those contracts need to be adjusted upwards solely because of their age, let alone other factors specific to each player.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

Didn’t Bregman just get $40m?

grandbranyanMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

For three years. With half deferred. And multiple opt outs.

That’s not really comparable to signing a long term pre-FA contract like Tucker or Vlad would be doing right now.

Travis LMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

I think 33% was deferred, no? $40M of the $120M contract. And the opt outs are directionally opposite – they provide extra value to the player.

The duration, skillset, and age are very different and I agree that makes it not terribly comparable, but it’s important to get the reasoning correct.

Sporter's Five HorsesMember since 2014
1 year ago
Reply to  Platypi

I have a hard time seeing Vlad Jr getting much more than 12/420. He’s inconsistently superb offensively with major deficiencies in his game. If he had the consistency of peak Miguel Cabrera (i.e., 5 MVP caliber seasons ~170 wRC+ before signing 2014 extension) or even today’s Yordan Alvarez (career avg. ~165 wRC+ as opposed to Vlad’s peak offense ~165 wRC+) I would agree he would secure a greater AAV. But IMO such a contract requires wishful thinking that Vlad Jr. has the ability to generate that level of offensive consistency, which he has not demonstrated to date

jaysfan39Member
1 year ago

You are comparing Guerrero to Cabrera’s 2nd extension which he signed after his age 32 season.

Cabrera’s first extension he signed prior to the 2008 season and was for 8 years & $152M.

The total extension is misleading though as it bought out 2 years of arbitration at $11.3M & $15M.

The free agent years on this contract were Cabrera’s age 27 thru 32 and were paid out at $127M for 6 years so just over $21M per season.

Going into the 2008 season the highest paid MLB players that season were ARod $28M, Giambi $23.5M, Jeter $21.6M, Manny $19M & Beltran $18.6M.

Basically the Tiger committed to making Cabrera one of the top paid players in MLB moving forward coming off of seasons where his WRC+ were 106,129,146,153 & 142. His career WRC+ up to that point was 139 with 138 HRs in 3072 PAs.

Guerrero in his career has WRC+ seasons of 106, 110 Covid season, 166, 132, 118 & 165 with a career WRC+ of 137 & 168 HRs in 3540 PA.

Guerrero’s rate stats are fairly similar to Cabrera’s when he signed a contract that would make him very close to a top 3 paid player for his FA years.

Cabrera had been more consistent but also hadn’t reached the same peaks as Guerrero.

Now it can certainly be argued and is probably true that since Cabrera signed his contracts the perceived value of a right handed hitting 1st baseman has declined in MLB and Cabrera was still technically a very bad 3rd baseman instead of a 1st baseman but projecting forward from their mid 20s should be fairly similar.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  jaysfan39

Hey now! UZR had Miggy as an acceptably bad 3B in 06/07!

(Don’t look at DRS)

Last edited 1 year ago by Cool Lester Smooth
ScoreboardMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

If I’m Tucker, I want a contract that starts with a 4.

grandbranyanMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Scoreboard

Tucker’s probably going to need to put up a 180 wRC+ over a full season (& bake in a lot of deferred money) to get up to a $400M sticker price.

Only Soto, Ohtani and Trout have crossed that threshold before with a pretty big drop down to Mookie ($365M with $115M deferred) and Judge ($360M) from there.

Sure, Tucker will be two years younger than Judge was at FA, but Aaron was at a 166 wRC+ and 6.9 WAR per 600 PAs before signing and coming off a 206 wRC+ | 11.1 WAR platform season.

Mookie was at a 139 wRC+ and 6.1 WAR per 600 PAs over the four seasons before signing his extension.

Kyle is at a 142 wRC+ and 5.1 WAR per 600 PAs his last four years. That’s really good, but a click behind Mookie and a couple clicks behind Judge.

thaaldermanMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

All true, but superstar contracts always establish a new, higher baseline after market resets like Ohtani and Soto, and neither Mookie nor Judge were the object of an open market bidding war.

My guess is that that baseline is now ~$400MM~ rather than the ~$350MM~ it was previously.

Last edited 1 year ago by thaalderman
TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  thaalderman

How was Judge not a bidding war?

thaaldermanMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

Damn, you’re right. I totally forgot he tested FA before re-signing with the Yankees.

Waldan
1 year ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

Vlad would have signed at 600 is my guess and that would have been silly but with a tremendous year he could ask for it and not get laughed out of the room. I’d be happy to give him 400/10 years or 440/12 but thats only if I feel I am an elite bat away from contention in these 5 coming years. Thats the cap though regardless of this season.

I think Tucker makes sense to a lot more teams. I’d have offered him 300, 350, 400, 420 and I think he should turn anything less than 450 down. If I’m his agent I want to get to an offseason and explain to Hal Steinbrenner he risks becoming the second best team in his city.

Last edited 1 year ago by Waldan
LMOTFOTEMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

He’s got one skill with a lot of variance. He’s Miguel Cabrera one season and Yuli Gurriel the next. Only teams with money to burn are going to get in on this.

baubo
1 year ago

If I were the Jays, I would’ve also probably not gotten a deal done. The downside risk for a team paying out a 10+ year contract is way too high to be given to any player who’s not a definitive star. Someone who you can at least bank on the first 5 seasons being great. Unless he has a MVP-type campaign next year, I don’t think he’s getting more than what he’s looking for in this extension anyways. So risk of losing him isn’t as high as it would be with say a Kyle Tucker.

jrobert97
1 year ago

I am a little surprised Vlad didn’t sign an extension yet and he may still return to the Jays.

But one thing I think many Americans might not know or realize is the level of star Vlad has in Canada. He is the face of a number of national ad campaigns and is maybe the most widely recognized player in the general public (for sure top 3). Obviously money isn’t everything and the Jays leadership hasn’t exactly struck confidence in building a winner. Vlad may get more money from another team but I think there is something about being the face of the sport in Canada.

dbhachtenMember since 2023
1 year ago

I think that his weight will be an on and off problem resulting in very mixed results.

ScoreboardMember since 2016
1 year ago

If I’m the Yankees, I’m more interested in Tucker than Guerrero.
– He provides a lefty bat between judge/stanton
– His profile is more consistent and more balanced that vladito’s (moderate defender, good runner)

Waldan
1 year ago
Reply to  Scoreboard

This. A hundred times over. And best case scenario for this year is if Paulie G earns another contract anyway.

Travis LMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Scoreboard

OTOH, Tucker is 2 years older. I would take either as a fan of a team that has no shot at either.

thaaldermanMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Travis L

Assuming health (lol), Tucker seems like the platonic ideal of a player whose game is going to age well.

MikeSMember since 2020
1 year ago

He’s going to make a ton of money, but the contract is going to be riskier than for most 27 year old hitters, and not just because of his body and defensive limitations. He’s been a real “boom or bust” kind of guy. Maybe not bust, but “boom or just ok”

Yes, he has those 2 years of wRC+ > 160, but he’s also got three years of wRC+ < 120. Of all the guys you comped him with, nobody else had more than 2 of those in their first 6 years – Harper had a 115 and a 111 in 2014 and 2016, Ohtani had an 80 in 2020, and Judge had a 62 in his 95 PA cup of coffee in 2014. Soto and even Alonso, have never been under 120.

I think this year is huge for him. If he puts up big numbers, he’ll get paid. If he “just” posts a 115-ish wRC+ season, he’s going to be disappointed.

dangledangleMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeS

Yep

fanofthemanMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeS

He reminds me of Eric Hosmer, just 30% better, I wonder if that’s partially the same thing, as both guys hit lots of grounders. Looks like BABIP spikes were a bigger part of Hosmer’s big years, but for Vlad it was HR/FB.

AlbyMember since 2025
1 year ago

If I’m a GM I’m fine with a 15-year contract because I won’t be around in 15 years. But if I’m an owner I would seriously worry about what my revenues will look like when most of the boomers are gone.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Alby

I feel like people hate on the super long contract but I think it’s actually useful for the team to spread the luxury tax hits and the overall payouts. Not to mention inflation constantly makes it less bad over time. Like, hey, if I’m either giving a guy 10 years, $400m, or 15 years, $450, I’ll take the latter. If the guy’s toast at 35, I’ll cut bait and have gotten a better deal in the early years.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I would not be at all surprised, at this point, to see a recurrence of the Bobby Bonilla contract structure. It makes sense for both the team and the player!

Travis LMember since 2016
1 year ago

Bregman’s deal would pay him until 2046 I think, if he doesn’t opt out.

dangledangleMember since 2024
1 year ago

He will be going into his age 27 season. I’m not sure if we will see a contract that feels just right. Either he will get paid in a big way or we will be surprised with a contract that’s for fewer years. He really should be a DH his defense is terrible but spending big on a player like that idk. If he puts up a platform season similar to his two best seasons it’s an easier sell but if he doesn’t he’s likely not going to get the contract he is looking for.

The issue is that the Jays didn’t lock up players pre-arb. It was always unlikely that they could with Vladito considering his performance and the lack of a financial incentive to do so. On the other hand if they had locked up their core I doubt they would be very happy except for Vlad. It’s going to a tough rebuild

John NortheyMember since 2020
1 year ago

What I find very funny is how many reports and commentators are saying the Jays should’ve signed him years ago – like Vlad was EVER going to take a discount. This is the son of a HOF’er who has always thought he was the best player in the majors and still does. He NEVER would take a below market value deal. Sure, others did who were better, but remember, Vlad thinks he is the best and wants to be paid like it. Next winter could be a wake up call for him if he doesn’t have another 150+ wRC+ season.

Chili Davis Eyes
1 year ago
Reply to  John Northey

The “son of a HoF’er” thing is huge. His dad made over $120m playing baseball. The family money means he’s set for life regardless of his next contract, so he’s in a perfect position to hold out for $600m (or whatever) and see what happens. I’m sure the union is encouraging him do so, as well.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago

I’m guessing the Soto deal makes this a tough negotiation. Obviously if your Vladdy you want to use that as an anchor and say “hey I’m 90% as good and only a year younger,” but if I’m the Jays I’m thinking Soto probably got $150 million, or more, above what he should have received, so I’m not even using that as a comp.

I don’t think anything else has happened to suggest such an inflation of the market, so I’d expect Vladdy to struggle to land the #2 free agent contract, so beating $461 million. I’d probably do that as a GM, maybe 12/$480 million. I’d immediately get heartburn, though, handing that to a slightly better version of Pete Alonzo.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

I thought the “slightly better version of Pete Alonso” was incredibly harsh to Vlady… but it isn’t. Alonso has 17.3 fWAR in 3607 PA, and Guerrero Jr has 17.0 fWAR in 3540 PA. The big factors in Guerrero’s favour are that he is much younger – and teams will be bidding for his age 27 season, while the Polar Bear is 30 now. Guerrero has also had the best two seasons, including a 5.5 fWAR season last year, while Alosno’s best season was all the way back in his rookie campaign.

I think this year is massive for him – if he puts up another 5+ fWAR season, then some team is going to go nuts for him. If he puts up another season like 2023, then who knows.

LMOTFOTEMember since 2017
1 year ago

What’s with doubting the dollar? Euro and Yen are having their own issues and economic woes. As stupid as our debt is getting we’re somehow in a better position than the other major currencies.

JuuuustAnotherBaseballFanMember since 2018
1 year ago

How much will Jays fans miss him? In Boston, there were rumors of impending riots if the Sox didn’t sign Devers. I wonder if Guerrero has a good season if there will be grumbling.