The Jays Are Facing Peak Dodgers

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When it comes to this World Series, determining which team is the favorite and which is the underdog is a fairly easy exercise. The Blue Jays won one more game during the regular season than the Dodgers did, but Dodger Blue has tended to be strongly favored over Labatt Blue. The Vegas odds for the Dodgers opened at -215, implying a better than two-in-three chance of a Los Angeles championship; per the research of CakesRacer522 on Reddit, only the 2019 Astros started off with better odds. For our part, the FanGraphs World Series odds were nearly as lopsided going into the series, projecting a 66.3% chance of the Dodgers prevailing. The ZiPS projections weren’t quite as bullish, but the computer’s 60/40 split isn’t quiet a coin flip. The Dodgers also spend money like they have their own currency, and won the World Series in both 2020 and 2024, while the Jays, though themselves a top five payroll team, haven’t sniffed the Fall Classic in more than 30 years.

So are the Blue Jays doomed? That’s a preposterous question in a game as coin-flippy as baseball tends to be; after all, if the Dodgers were fated to win, the projections would sit at 100%, not 68% or 66% or 60%. That said, if the Blue Jays do come out ahead, it’ll be an especially big plaudit, because they’re not just facing the 2025 Dodgers, they’re facing the best version of the 2025 Dodgers.

As is their wont, the Dodgers suffered more than their share of injuries in 2025. As of mid-September, I had them losing the third-most potential wins due to injury in the majors. In 2024, they were the “champions” of this sad category. Last winter, the Dodgers spent nearly $400 million on free agents, most notably Blake Snell, Teoscar Hernández, and Tanner Scott, after having signed Shohei Ohtani the prior offseason. It fueled some pretty crazy projections before the 2025 season, such that the 98 wins forecast by ZiPS actually got a lot of pushback for being too negative about the team’s hopes. But as I said before Opening Day, the Dodgers are so good that they’re at the point where signing great players comes with increasingly diminishing returns, because those guys are covering for a good number of plate appearances and innings that were already much better than replacement level. Indeed, the team’s biggest improvement — at least as ZiPS saw it — was in making their floor absurdly high rather than their ceiling.

With only a single starting pitcher (Yoshinobu Yamamoto) throwing enough innings to qualify for the ERA title and nobody else even coming close, that depth came in handy. Of the team’s five best projected starting pitchers — Yamamoto, Snell, Ohtani, Tyler Glasnow, and Clayton Kershaw — only Yamamoto was essentially healthy for the entire season. Ohtani didn’t debut as pitcher until June, and didn’t throw more than 60 pitches in a game until mid-August. Shoulder injuries limited Snell to 11 starts and Glasnow to 18, and Kershaw missed the first six weeks of the season. But those guys all made effective returns, helping the Dodgers to hold off the Padres in September and win the NL West, and the Blue Jays now have the misfortune of facing the Dodgers while the latter’s intended rotation is on the mound rather than the injured list. As for the bullpen, they still have a number of injuries, but Roki Sasaki’s return has helped make the Dodger relief corps about as solid as it has been at any other point this season.

Los Angeles’ offense didn’t take nearly as many injury hits during the regular season, and with Will Smith healthy, the Dodgers have the entire band back together. Counting lineups versus lefty and righty starters separately, manager Dave Roberts has written out 152 unique batting orders across the regular season and the playoffs this year. Since ZiPS has a basic lineup simulator for questions like these, I ran the current runs-per-game projections for all 152 of those batting orders, highlighting the batting order the Dodgers used for the first two games of the World Series in blue:

ZiPS Projections – 2025 Los Angeles Dodgers Lineups
R/G SP 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
5.546 R Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Muncy Pages Edman Kim
5.544 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Smith Muncy Pages Edman Kim
5.517 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Muncy Teoscar Edman Kiké Pages
5.514 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Teoscar Muncy Kiké Edman Pages
5.506 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Muncy Teoscar Pages Conforto Edman
5.505 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Teoscar Muncy Pages Conforto Edman
5.501 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Smith Muncy Edman Pages Conforto
5.500 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Smith Muncy Pages Conforto Edman
5.499 R Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Smith Kiké Muncy Pages Edman
5.483 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Edman Smith Conforto Muncy Pages
5.478 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Teoscar Muncy Pages Conforto Kim
5.473 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Smith Muncy Pages Conforto Kim
5.473 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Muncy Pages Conforto Outman Kim
5.471 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Muncy Pages Conforto Kim Outman
5.467 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Muncy Teoscar Conforto Pages Freeland
5.458 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Muncy Teoscar Conforto Pages Rojas
5.456 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Smith Muncy Pages Conforto Rojas
5.443 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Smith Conforto Pages Muncy Rojas
5.438 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Muncy Pages Conforto Freeland Call
5.436 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Teoscar Muncy Conforto Edman Kim
5.431 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Muncy Pages Conforto Edman Kim
5.430 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Muncy Smith Conforto Edman Kim
5.429 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Smith Muncy Pages Conforto Taylor
5.386 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Conforto Edman Muncy Kiké Pages
5.379 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Muncy Rojas Call
5.374 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Muncy Pages Conforto Kiké Kim
5.373 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Teoscar Pages Call Freeland Rojas
5.370 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Conforto Edman Muncy Taylor Pages
5.360 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Muncy Pages Edman Kim Rushing
5.360 R Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Call Pages Freeland Kiké
5.341 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Pages Muncy Edman Rushing Rojas
5.332 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Teoscar Conforto Pages Kim Edman
5.323 R Ohtani Freeman Smith Muncy Teoscar Pages Conforto Edman Kim
5.323 R Betts Ohtani Smith Freeman Teoscar Conforto Pages Kim Edman
5.320 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Teoscar Pages Edman Conforto Rushing
5.319 R Betts Ohtani Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Conforto Edman Freeland
5.317 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Smith Muncy Rojas Pages
5.315 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Muncy Pages Conforto Rushing Edman
5.315 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Muncy Pages Conforto Edman Rushing
5.313 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Edman Rojas Ruiz
5.310 R Ohtani Teoscar Freeman Smith Muncy Pages Conforto Edman Kim
5.309 L Betts Ohtani Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Edman Rojas Ruiz
5.309 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Teoscar Pages Conforto Edman Kiké
5.306 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Edman Muncy Kiké Pages
5.305 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Edman Teoscar Muncy Kiké Pages
5.304 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Smith Pages Edman Muncy Kiké
5.303 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Call Kiké Rojas
5.301 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Smith Edman Muncy Kiké Pages
5.299 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Smith Muncy Kiké Pages
5.297 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Smith Call Kiké Pages
5.293 R Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Conforto Freeland Kennedy
5.292 R Ohtani Teoscar Freeman Smith Muncy Pages Conforto Edman Rojas
5.291 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Conforto Pages Freeland Edman Call
5.290 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Teoscar Pages Conforto Kim Rushing
5.290 R Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Conforto Pages Freeland Kennedy
5.283 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Pages Conforto Rushing Outman Kim
5.281 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Teoscar Pages Conforto Freeland Rushing
5.280 R Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Conforto Freeland Rojas
5.280 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Pages Conforto Kim Rojas Outman
5.279 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Teoscar Conforto Pages Freeland Rojas
5.278 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Call Pages Rojas Kennedy
5.278 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Muncy Pages Conforto Freeland Rushing
5.278 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Call Rojas Kennedy
5.278 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Teoscar Freeland Conforto Pages Rojas
5.278 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Teoscar Conforto Pages Freeland Rushing
5.273 R Betts Ohtani Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Conforto Rojas Freeland
5.271 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Teoscar Pages Conforto Kiké Freeland
5.270 R Betts Ohtani Smith Freeman Pages Conforto Kim Rojas Outman
5.268 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Smith Teoscar Conforto Pages Freeland Kiké
5.264 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Rojas Call Freeland
5.260 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Muncy Pages Conforto Rushing Kiké
5.254 R Ohtani Pages Freeman Smith Muncy Conforto Rojas Outman Kim
5.249 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Edman Kiké Rojas
5.247 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Pages Edman Rojas Ruiz Outman
5.246 R Betts Ohtani Teoscar Freeman Pages Rushing Kim Edman Outman
5.244 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Smith Pages Edman Kiké Rojas
5.244 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Pages Edman Kim Conforto Rushing
5.238 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Pages Conforto Rojas Call Rushing
5.218 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Teoscar Edman Pages Rojas Rortvedt
5.208 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Teoscar Edman Pages Kiké Rortvedt
5.194 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Teoscar Edman Pages Conforto Rortvedt
5.189 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Teoscar Conforto Pages Edman Rortvedt
5.188 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Teoscar Conforto Edman Pages Rortvedt
5.187 L Betts Ohtani Teoscar Freeman Edman Rojas Pages Ruiz Rushing
5.182 L Ohtani Teoscar Freeman Smith Pages Edman Muncy Kiké Rojas
5.160 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Teoscar Conforto Kim Pages Rortvedt
5.159 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Smith Edman Pages Muncy Kiké Rojas
5.158 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Muncy Pages Kiké Rojas Rortvedt
5.156 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Pages Call Rojas Kennedy Rushing
5.145 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Smith Conforto Pages Rojas
5.144 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Muncy Teoscar Conforto Pages Rojas Rortvedt
5.142 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Muncy Edman Conforto Pages Barnes
5.140 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Conforto Pages Kim Edman Rushing
5.138 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Pages Kiké Rojas Rushing Edman
5.134 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Call Rojas Muncy Pages Robinson
5.133 L Ohtani Smith Teoscar Freeman Pages Edman Rojas Ruiz Kim
5.131 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Conforto Edman Muncy Pages Barnes
5.130 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Pages Muncy Conforto Edman Kim
5.127 R Ohtani Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Conforto Edman Kim Rojas
5.127 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Pages Edman Kiké Rushing Rojas
5.127 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Pages Conforto Edman Rushing Rojas
5.125 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Rojas Pages Kiké Rushing
5.117 R Ohtani Teoscar Freeman Pages Muncy Conforto Edman Rushing Kim
5.115 R Betts Ohtani Teoscar Freeman Pages Conforto Edman Rushing Rojas
5.107 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Pages Edman Kiké Conforto Rojas
5.098 R Ohtani Betts Teoscar Conforto Smith Edman Muncy Kiké Pages
5.096 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Conforto Pages Kim Rushing Rojas
5.095 R Ohtani Betts Edman Teoscar Conforto Smith Muncy Kiké Pages
5.094 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Conforto Pages Kim Rojas Rushing
5.092 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Conforto Freeland Rojas
5.089 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Pages Conforto Kim Rushing Outman Rojas
5.088 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Muncy Pages Kiké Conforto Barnes
5.087 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Freeland Pages Conforto Rojas Rushing
5.086 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Pages Muncy Kiké Conforto Barnes
5.085 R Ohtani Smith Freeman Teoscar Pages Conforto Freeland Rojas Kennedy
5.084 R Betts Ohtani Teoscar Freeman Pages Conforto Kim Rojas Rushing
5.080 R Betts Ohtani Freeman Teoscar Conforto Pages Freeland Rushing Rojas
5.070 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Pages Conforto Kim Rojas Rushing Ruiz
5.067 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Pages Kiké Rojas Outman Taylor
5.058 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Pages Conforto Call Freeland Rushing Rojas
5.048 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Edman Conforto Muncy Rojas Barnes
5.042 L Ohtani Betts Freeman Pages Muncy Kiké Conforto Rushing Rojas
5.034 L Ohtani Betts Edman Teoscar Smith Conforto Muncy Kiké Pages
5.014 R Ohtani Betts Edman Teoscar Conforto Smith Muncy Kiké Rojas
5.010 L Ohtani Teoscar Smith Freeman Pages Edman Kiké Conforto Rojas
5.008 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Pages Muncy Kiké Conforto Kim Barnes
5.008 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Pages Muncy Conforto Kiké Kim Barnes
5.005 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Pages Conforto Rojas Kiké Rushing
5.003 L Ohtani Betts Edman Teoscar Smith Kiké Muncy Rojas Taylor
4.991 L Ohtani Betts Smith Freeman Pages Kiké Conforto Rojas Taylor
4.990 L Ohtani Betts Smith Teoscar Pages Edman Kiké Conforto Rojas
4.989 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Pages Muncy Kiké Barnes
4.987 L Ohtani Betts Smith Teoscar Pages Edman Conforto Kiké Rojas
4.983 L Ohtani Betts Edman Teoscar Smith Kiké Rojas Pages Taylor
4.978 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Call Pages Kiké Rortvedt
4.975 L Ohtani Betts Edman Teoscar Smith Kiké Conforto Rojas Pages
4.975 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Call Pages Rojas Kiké Rortvedt
4.973 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Kiké Call Pages Rortvedt
4.957 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Teoscar Conforto Pages Kiké Kim Rortvedt
4.935 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Call Rojas Kiké Rortvedt
4.916 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Rojas Pages Kiké Rortvedt
4.914 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Kiké Rojas Pages Rortvedt
4.912 R Edman Betts Freeman Teoscar Conforto Smith Muncy Rosario Pages
4.912 L Ohtani Edman Teoscar Smith Muncy Kiké Conforto Rojas Pages
4.835 R Ohtani Betts Freeman Conforto Call Rojas Kim Kiké Rortvedt
4.834 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Freeman Edman Pages Conforto Rojas Barnes
4.799 L Ohtani Betts Teoscar Pages Kiké Conforto Rojas Rushing Freeland
4.747 R Ohtani Betts Teoscar Conforto Edman Muncy Pages Kiké Barnes
4.739 R Ohtani Betts Edman Teoscar Conforto Kiké Muncy Pages Barnes
4.719 R Betts Freeman Smith Conforto Freeland Rushing Pages Call Rojas
4.491 R Edman Betts Freeman Pages Conforto Call Rojas Kiké Rushing
4.408 R Ohtani Pages Conforto Teoscar Kim Rojas Rushing Kiké Rortvedt

In other words, the Dodgers are in position to throw what is essentially their most dangerous lineup at Toronto’s group of right-handed starting pitchers (barring an emergency Eric Lauer start). ZiPS would be slightly happier with Hyeseong Kim in the lineup (likely in center field with Andy Pages moving to left), but given how close it is, I can totally understand not wanting to risk the vengeful wrath of the playoff gods by not playing Enrique Hernández as much as possible.

Combine the team getting its ideal rotation and a nearly ideal lineup, and ZiPS thinks that this version of the Dodgers isn’t a 93-win team (the club’s regular season wins) or a 95-win team (its Pythagorean win total), but a 104-win team, even with a relatively weak bullpen. If the Dodgers are the final boss for the Blue Jays, they’re now in their final form, and Nobuo Uematsu is cueing in the chorus. And if the Blue Jays are the team that ends up with the champagne-soaked uniforms, the victory will be all the sweeter for having come against the best version of their opponent possible. After all, nobody would remember the story of David facing off against Slightly Taller David.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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puddleMember since 2017
1 hour ago

The players from the Dodgers’ vaunted offense may all be physically present, but none of them save for perhaps Will Smith seems to be swinging it well. Ohtani, Teoscar and Pages have had horribly undisciplined at bats and are seemingly allergic to walks. Betts and Freeman have had quality approaches, but their contact has led to little more than pop ups and lazy fly balls. Keekay and Edman’s playoff magic seems to have dissipated.

They cannot possibly think their starters will throw gems every game. Eventually, the beleaguered bullpen (sans Vesia) and the big name bats will need to show more than they have, because this Jays team is the one more resembling the fully operational death star.

captainjameshookMember since 2020
4 minutes ago
Reply to  puddle

But what is your hot take on Max?