The Kids Are Alright: This Year’s Rookie Class Has Been Historically Great

Gunnar Henderson
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Last season’s rookie class introduced us to some instant stars. Julio Rodríguez and Adley Rutschman became the first pair of rookies to reach 5.0 WAR in the same season since Albert Pujols and Ichiro Suzuki in 2001. Teammates Michael Harris II and Spencer Strider were just shy of 5.0 WAR themselves, with the latter’s 4.9 the highest total by a rookie pitcher since Hideo Nomo in 1995. Rodriguez, Rutschman, and Harris were all top-25 position players in baseball by WAR, with Steven Kwan not far behind at 30th, and Strider finished eighth among pitchers despite spending the first two months of the season in the bullpen.

This year, an arguably more impressive barrage of talented youngsters has arrived in clubhouses across the league. Corbin Carroll currently ranks eighth in WAR thanks to a .376 wOBA and the most baserunning value in the league at 11.0 runs above average; he’s running away with the NL Rookie of the Year Award. James Outman is helping the Dodgers out with a productive (if streaky) bat and centerfield defense worthy of his name. Gunnar Henderson shook off a slow start at the plate with a productive summer, clearing 3.0 WAR before the calendar turned to September and positioning himself as an award candidate in the AL. Matt McLain (who is battling an oblique injury at the moment) and the Giants’ Patrick Bailey didn’t even arrive until mid-May, but both have reached the 3.0 WAR mark in under 100 games.

Top 2023 Rookie Position Players by WAR
Name Team G HR wOBA wRC+ Off Def BsR WAR
1 Corbin Carroll ARI 133 24 .376 138 36.3 -2.8 11.0 5.2
2 James Outman LAD 127 17 .347 120 15.8 4.5 3.8 3.6
3 Gunnar Henderson BAL 126 23 .346 121 15.1 1.0 2.1 3.3
4 Matt McLain CIN 89 16 .370 128 14.5 3.8 0.4 3.2
5 Patrick Bailey SFG 83 7 .303 92 -3.8 24.2 -0.9 3.1
6 Josh Jung TEX 109 22 .346 118 7.2 2.5 -3.0 2.5
7 Anthony Volpe NYY 136 20 .305 94 -1.5 7.1 2.2 2.3
8 Francisco Alvarez NYM 104 21 .307 96 -5.3 15.9 -3.5 2.3
9 Maikel Garcia KCR 102 4 .309 91 -4.3 11.7 0.4 2.2
10 Ryan Noda OAK 104 14 .361 135 15.9 -7.8 -0.9 2.2
11 José Caballero SEA 92 3 .312 100 5.5 6.8 5.3 2.1
12 Edouard Julien MIN 87 11 .365 134 13.1 -3.5 0.1 2.0

As bright as those at the top have shone, what might make this year’s class stronger than last year’s is its remarkable depth, particularly among position players. Josh Jung made the AL All-Star team before being sidelined with a thumb fracture in August. Francisco Alvarez has complemented strong defense behind the plate with good power for a catcher. Edouard Julien looks like a legitimate bat in a Minnesota infield in need of production after dealing Luis Arraez. Tons more have put up some impressive value in limited action; José Caballero, Zack Gelof and Royce Lewis, for example, are playing at a pace of 4.0 WAR per 500 PA. All told, 12 rookie position players have reached 2.0 WAR already; just nine reached that mark by the end of the season in 2022. And that list doesn’t include players like Elly De La Cruz, Yainer Diaz, Freddy Fermin, Spencer Steer, or Triston Casas.

Highest WAR per 100 games, 2023
Name Team G WAR WAR/100 G
1 Corey Seager TEX 94 5.6 6.0
2 Mookie Betts LAD 130 7.7 5.9
3 Jose Altuve HOU 67 3.6 5.4
4 Freddie Freeman LAD 136 6.8 5.0
5 Ronald Acuña Jr. ATL 136 6.8 5.0
6 Shohei Ohtani LAA 135 6.6 4.9
7 Sean Murphy ATL 95 4.4 4.6
8 Aaron Judge NYY 83 3.8 4.6
9 Julio Rodríguez SEA 130 5.4 4.2
10 Wander Franco TBR 112 4.5 4.0
11 Luis Robert Jr. CHW 128 5.1 4.0
12 Corbin Carroll ARI 133 5.2 3.9
13 Francisco Lindor NYM 135 5.2 3.9
14 Yordan Alvarez HOU 91 3.5 3.8
15 Cody Bellinger CHC 107 4.1 3.8
16 Zack Gelof OAK 45 1.7 3.8
17 Chas McCormick HOU 93 3.5 3.8
18 Patrick Bailey SFG 83 3.1 3.7
19 Bobby Witt Jr. KCR 135 5 3.7
20 Mike Trout LAA 82 3 3.7
21 Royce Lewis MIN 44 1.6 3.6
22 William Contreras MIL 116 4.2 3.6
23 Matt McLain CIN 89 3.2 3.6
24 Fernando Tatis Jr. SDP 119 4.2 3.5
25 Will Smith LAD 108 3.8 3.5
*min. 40 games

The pitching class is thinner, but there’s still a contingent of rookies turning heads. Kodai Senga had pro experience in Japan, but his MLB debut has been impressive: a 3.17 ERA, 3.52 FIP, and 3.76 xFIP in 24 starts. Tanner Bibee has been good enough in Cleveland to warrant ROY votes, and his teammates Logan Allen and Gavin Williams have been strong complements. Andrew Abbott has been the best of a dozen or so rookie Reds pitchers, joining McLain, De La Cruz, Steer, Brandon Williamson, and more in the league’s most prolific team rookie cohort. Eury Pérez has been fantastic for the Marlins in 16 starts (interrupted by a month of workload management in the minors). Then there’s Cole Ragans, who’s been the talk of the league after joining the Royals’ rotation and leading all MLB starters with a 1.72 ERA, 1.46 FIP, 2.19 xFIP, and 1.8 WAR in August. In bullpens across the league, Yennier Cano (another 2023 All-Star), Gregory Santos, and Justin Topa have joined the ranks of this season’s dominant relievers.

But how does the overall class measure up? As a group, 2023 rookies have amassed 110.5 WAR as of Tuesday morning, surpassing last year’s already impressive full-season total of 101.6 in over 4,500 fewer plate appearances and 1,500 fewer innings pitched. The last class to reach higher heights was the class of 2015, which might have a case for the best in recent history with Kris Bryant, Francisco Lindor, Carlos Correa, Joc Pederson, Kyle Schwarber, and Noah Syndergaard. This year’s class is unlikely to catch them at 126.8 WAR, but the 2023 rookies already rank fourth among rookie classes of the last 100 years, the most productive of which have come in the 21st century.

Most Productive Rookie Classes, 21st Century
Season PA Batting WAR IP Pitching WAR Total WAR Top Performer
1 2015 28,819 75.1 9,029 51.7 126.8 Kris Bryant
2 2006 24,999 46.3 9,516 73.3 119.6 Hanley Ramirez
3 2012 23,171 38.4 9,414 73.7 112.1 Mike Trout
4 2023 25,253 63.4 8,208.1 47.1 110.5 Corbin Carroll
5 2021 30,095 39.4 12,304 62.4 101.8 Trevor Rogers
6 2022 29,784 55 9,774 46.6 101.6 Julio Rodriguez
7 2009 22,286 33.9 9,795 65.3 99.2 Brett Anderson
8 2016 23,073 37 8,962 60.4 97.4 Corey Seager
9 2011 24,902 48 7,953 47.2 95.2 Wilson Ramos
10 2019 30,278 49.5 9,668 45.4 94.9 Pete Alonso

Some of this is a matter of usage; we are in an era where more plate appearances and innings are going to rookies, generally speaking. But it’s also only Labor Day — this class has nearly a month left to play. That they’ve already surpassed last year’s, and nearly every other year’s, in production is pretty remarkable.

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They owe most of this to the position players. On a rate basis, 2023 rookie hitters have put up 1.26 WAR per 500 PA — not quite matching the class of 2015’s 1.30, but far ahead of the next-best class of the last century, the class of 1987, at 1.04. They’re hitting at a clip of 92 wRC+, which would be the best mark for a rookie class in modern baseball history, and their 63.4 WAR ranks second only to that 2015 class in the last hundred years. Comparing statistics like WAR and wRC+ values from seasons before those stats were developed can feel a little funny, but it’s clear that this cohort of position players stands up against its historical counterparts.

The pitchers are no slouches, either; while they don’t measure up quite as strongly historically, their 1.15 WAR per 200 innings are the most since 2016, when rookie arms produced 1.35 WAR for every 200 innings they threw.

Most Productive Rookie Classes per 500 PA, Last 50 Years
Season WAR PA WAR/500 PA
1 2015 75.1 28819 1.30
2 2023 63.4 25253 1.26
3 1987 49.3 23746 1.04
4 2007 48.5 23504 1.03
5 2011 48 24902 0.96
6 2006 46.3 24999 0.93
7 2022 55 29784 0.92

Successful rookie classes are a sign of sophisticated player development systems, and it’s clear that franchises around the league have been increasingly effective in preparing their minor leaguers for the big leagues. The fact that the classes of the last two seasons have been so position player-heavy may hint that the barriers to entry for them could be less inhibitive than those that pitchers face in today’s game. Rookie position players, after all, have a handful of ways to contribute. Masataka Yoshida has performed at the plate despite struggling with the glove; Ezequiel Tovar’s stellar shortstop defense in Colorado has yielded him 1.6 WAR despite an anemic bat; Esteury Ruiz has found a way to stick around in Oakland with mostly just value on the basepaths. For pitchers, there’s more than one way to get an out, but if you can’t get outs, you’re in trouble.

When it comes to award season, this year’s class may not appear as flashy as last year’s; after Carroll, the 2023 group is giving less “instant stars” and more “solid big leaguers with a chance of becoming stars.” But the depth is serious. Nearly every team has seen some significant contribution from first-year players, and while surely some of these early-career successes will fade, some will plant themselves firmly among baseball’s next generation, making themselves key puzzle pieces on future championship teams.

Unfortunately, with Carroll’s Diamondbacks, McLain’s Reds, Jung’s Rangers, and Bailey’s Giants slipping in recent weeks, this rookie class may not have the chance to impact this season’s championship outcome quite as much as it seemed they might have back in early August. But Outman, Henderson, Julien, and more are still more than likely to be showcased in October, and if their peers can inject some much-needed September energy to their clubhouses, they could have a shot of bringing their already thrilling professional journeys to baseball’s biggest stage. In any case, we should be looking forward to seeing a lot more of these faces for years to come.





Chris is a data journalist and FanGraphs contributor. Prior to his career in journalism, he worked in baseball media relations for the Chicago Cubs and Boston Red Sox.

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Mahoney
2 years ago

I was actually surprised to find out that Royce Lewis still has rookie eligibility. Knees willing, he might end up being the most memorable player of the 2023 rookie class.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Yeah, but an if-then clause where the “if” part is “if Royce Lewis stays healthy…”

Royce Lewis is probably the next Byron Buxton.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Hey, “probably the next Byron Buxton” is better than “probably the next Jason Kubel”, which is how he was tracking for awhile there.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

I would be curious to see how Buxton’s production stacks up against other elite prospects. The highs are so high and the lows are…mostly injuries but there have been a lot of them. I would guess he would come out okay in total WAR, even if his availability is terrible.

Mahoney
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If his knee heals and never again becomes a problem, he may very well become the position-player equivalent of Jim Palmer (whose career almost ended in his early 20s because of a torn rotator cuff – yes, TORN rotator cuff – but resumed once said rotator cuff miraculously healed on its own without further incident).

MorlandMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Especially if the Twins keep loading the bases in front of him.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Morland

I’m not sure why they didn’t think of that earlier. It’s a good strategy

Alex RemingtonMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Agreed. I never understood why Earl Weaver was so fond of three-run homers, when four-run homers are obviously 33% better

CousinNicky
2 years ago

Without leveling the PA’s and innings it is a little confusing on the total fWAR chart. 2015 is the best season for rookies but leveling out the PA’s 2015 is producing 1.56 fWAR/600PA compared to 1.51 fWAR/600PA for this current 2023 season. Also of note only one other season tops 1 fWAR/600 PA on the top 10 leaderboard (2006) for position players to give an idea of how great the rookies are playing both this year and in 2015.

Also, I forgot how great Michael Harris season was last year, he played in only 113 games while putting up 4.8 fWAR. For reference, Corbin Carrol was only at 4.1 fWAR at his 113 game this season(and this is with 30+ additional PA’s for Carrol for batting at the top of the lineup). For his age, it was one of the best rookie seasons in the past 20 years in a very distant 2nd/3rd/4th wherever you want to rank it behind Mike Trout greatest of alltime rookie season.

dl80Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

Good call out.

Harris’ 2022 was 15th best all time rookie season for anyone in their age 21 season or younger.

Almost everyone ahead of him was an all-time great:

Mike Trout
Albert Pujols
Ted Williams
Shoeless Joe
Frank Robinson
Stan Musial
Rogers Hornsby
Joe Dimaggio
Joe Morgan

If we ignore Julio Rodriguez (who looks like a potential all-time great), there are only 4 guys above Harris who didn’t have phenomenal careers:

Donie Bush – put up 36 WAR in the pre-Deadball era on the back of great SS defense and mediocre hitting. Was finished being productive at age 30 or he might have snuck into the Hall on the Veteran’s Committee.

Hal Trosky – great hitting 1B who had 29 WAR through age 27 and was on pace to make the Hall until migraines (which may have been from a dairy allergy) basically ended his career at age 28. One of the great “What ifs?” in baseball history. As it is, he had 1274 hits, 205 HRs, and 860 RBI through age 27.

Tom Brunansky – great start to his career and he was a slightly above average hitter for 1800 games, but his outfield defense fell off quickly and he wound up with only 23 WAR.

Vada Pinson – very good hitter but was basically done by age 33. Clear member of the Hall of Very Good and might have snuck in to the actual Hall with 243 more hits (to get him to 3000). Had 47 career WAR.

Not that Harris is likely to match even the good careers, let alone the inner circle guys, but that is a hell of a list to be on. He already looks like a slightly impoverished man’s Acuna.

opinionbasedonballs
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

It definitely was an impressive debut, but I think the minimal appearances helped Harris maintain his stats before the league could really adjust to him.
Harris first season had 441 plate appearances: 4.8 WAR
First 138 appearances of second season: -0.3 WAR

Carroll actually went through a similar trajectory:
His first 439 plate appearances (including end of ’22): 4.9 WAR
Next 139 plate appearances: 0.6 WAR

If you compare their career WAR graphs, both of them had massive peaks right before career game 100, then really started to struggle before eventually returning to a more normal (for them) level.
Michael Harris II – Graphs – WAR – Batting | FanGraphs Baseball
Corbin Carroll – Graphs – WAR – Batting | FanGraphs Baseball

grandbranyanMember since 2017
2 years ago

Brewers rookies have been a microcosm of their position player group as a whole…

Can’t hit (78 wRC+ | -27.7 batting runs), but have made up for it on the bases (+8.2 BsR, 1st) and in the field (+19.6 DEF, 3rd) to still come in with a respectable 3.8 WAR (6th).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

The Brewers defense is amazing but the offense is agonizing to watch. Batting Carlos Santana, Mark Canha, and Willy Adames 3-4-5 in 2019 would have been excellent, but in 2023 it’s a mess.

juliusMember since 2021
2 years ago

When can we talk about the Pirates complete failure of a rookie class?

wokegraphs
2 years ago
Reply to  julius

I think it’s the hitting coach Andy Haines who’s ruined this class so far. Ke Hayes had to get help from his former AA hitting coach to stop the bat getting knocked out of his hands. The MLB coaching staff at PNC is a total and utter clown show.

ColonelMustard
2 years ago
Reply to  wokegraphs

Your name made me chuckle. The baseball content here is good if you can overlook the kool-aid stains all over the place

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  julius

The Cruz injury was devastating

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

It was. But almost every one of their young prospects has struggled mightily at the MLB level. Also their handling of Davis has been appalling.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  julius

Henry David and Endy Rodriguez are major disappointments, and Cruz didn’t get much of a chance to show what he could do. But most of the other guys were not going to be any good. Nick Gonzales, Alina Williams, Jared Triolo…these were fringe guys.

I guess Luis Ortiz and Quinn Priester have also been bad.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Don’t forget Roansy on the mound too. The only fringe guy who’s looked decent has been Peguro.

Right now, we’re looking at two 55 bats and two 50 arms from prospect land who have really struggled in their first taste of the bigs. The easy answer one could have is “the big leagues are tough and good prospects flame out or fail.” That’s certainly true. But even with the caveat that the cement isn’t dry for the struggles of these young player, the response I have is…should that be the case for all of them? Why are they all struggling so much?

All of the arms saw major regression in their stuff this year. The two bats struggled mightily, although I think Endy is showing better signs. Cherington had the brilliant idea to throw a catcher in AA into the outfield for a dozen games and then promote him to the bigs where the kid has to learn a new position and learn how to hit big league pitching. Development isn’t linear, but good lord but some of their decisions have been dubious at best.

I’m not ready to call this rebuild a failure yet, but I’m about 80% of the way there. This management team has had four years now and I’m not sure it really looks much better than in Huntington’s final season.

wokegraphs
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Triolo has put up the most fWAR out of the entire rookie bunch (0.6 lol). Gonzales was absolutely heralded coming out of college as a bat first everyday 2B. He put up solid lines albeit with too many ks all the way to MLB and fell flat on his face there. Every single rookie coming out of a prospect list that was supposed to be top ten has been absolute garbage at MLB and young second year guys like Suwinski have been awful too. Shelton and Haines and Marin have got to go if Cherington wants any kind of youth movement.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  wokegraphs

This isn’t altogether accurate. Jack had a rough August. But overall, he’s been a decent, yet flawed player. Certainly he’s been better than the 35+ they had him listed at here.

That 2020 first round may end up being a wash for a lot of teams. I wanted them to take Veen or Hassell, and how does that look now.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  wokegraphs

Suwinski hasn’t been “awful” by any stretch of the imagination.

goatMember since 2026
2 years ago

Davis Schnieder?!?!?

john0lerude
2 years ago
Reply to  goat

Yeah I came to the comments to ask why there’s no mention whatsoever of Babe Schneider??

goatMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  john0lerude

Absolute lack of respect.

Mahoney
2 years ago

Fun Random Tangentially-Related-to-This-Article Fact:

Edouard Julien now holds the unbreakable record for the major leaguer who grew up the closest to the US border without speaking English before being drafted

Quebec City is less than 58 miles away from Maine, which is closer to the US than any point in Cuba.

WebsMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

It’s hardly an unbreakable record. Most of the province’s population lives closer to the US border than Quebec City, including the entire Montreal region. There are plenty of Quebecois who speak as little English as Monsieur Julien.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Webs

In Montreal, there is a decent chance a kid who plays baseball speaks English. Not guaranteed, but it’s decent. Otherwise this is entirely correct.

Alex RemingtonMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Feels like as good a time as any to mention Russell Nathan Coltrane Martin, not only the most underrated player in this comment thread, but also the most underrated player in any conversational context

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Alex Remington

But his batting average!!!!!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Alex Remington

It looks like he had one English speaking parent, one French (although I would hope one them also spoke the other one’s language)

dl80Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  Webs

Not only that, but parts of the Dominican Republic are 30 miles from Puerto Rico. Heck, plenty of prospects in Puerto Rico probably don’t speak English.

free-range turducken
2 years ago
Reply to  Webs

Let’s not forget that Hawk Harrelson was born < 0 miles away from the US border. 😉

PC1970Member since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Unless there’s a guy from Ciudad Juarez, Nogales or Tijuana who ended up going to college & then got drafted?

Mahoney
2 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

@Webs and @PC1970 – haha, the geography geek in me got carried away, you’re both quite right. In fact, Abraham Toro, though born in Venezuela, grew up in Longueuil which is only about 35 miles from Vermont. And there are plenty of major leaguers from Tijuana, most of whom didn’t know English growing up.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Uber-technically, if there’s any draftees from Puerto Rico who didn’t speak English growing up, they would probably win.

john0lerude
2 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

I’m literally closer to the US than that right now, as are plenty of people in Quebec who don’t speak English

Mahoney
2 years ago
Reply to  john0lerude

Heck, there are places in northern Maine where most people don’t speak English (Madawaska, Ft. Kent, etc.).

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

The power of chicken parm is real!

Shirtless Bartolo Colon
2 years ago

And spectacular!

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

Comment-Handle synergy for the ages, here!

Dmjn53
2 years ago

the casual fan would pass out if you told them that Elly de la Cruz has been the league’s 37th most valuable rookie

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

But you can’t place a numerical value on a guy with 6 triples in 78 games!!

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago

Aren’t 6 and 78 numerical values?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

At least with that attitude!

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Isn’t that across both leagues, though? If you rank them in the National League only, his ranking would be much better.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

If you rank them only in Cincinnati he would show even better…and yet still wouldn’t by the ROY

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Yes, but I’m making a correction that he’s not actually the 37th most valuable rookie in his league (the NL) like Dmjn53 claimed he was.

Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I think we all understand that “the league” is synonymous with MLB

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

He is a lot like of fun and he is going to get a lot of development time in the majors because he can play defense. And that’s good because every red flag about his hit tool is showing up right now. It’s going to be wild if he turns out to be Ryan McMahon. Or Niko Goodrum, which would obviously be worse.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I mean, if you forced me to predict his future, I think eventually he will figure out how to walk and hit the ball in the air and he’s going to have a couple of excellent offensive years before his amazing athleticism starts to wane. But I am starting to wonder if he has the bat control to do it.

MikeD
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

The casual fan may not be aware of Elly de la Cruz yet.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

The Trade Value article might pass out too, given Cruz’s ranking there.

Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

Well that was preposterous

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Switch De La Cruz and Witt, haha

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

The last six weeks has not been kind to that piece’s assessment of either Witt or De La Cruz.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I have suggested adding a crowdsourcing feature to that piece. I think it’d be an annoying thing to build, but at least provide for more discussion points beyond subjective feel (which, to be fair, is perfectly fine, but doesn’t offer a lot to chew on, and is generally not what FG produces)

Lanidrac
2 years ago

Don’t forget that Jordan Walker has posted a very nice 118 wRC+ despite his terrible defense pushing his fWAR back down to 0.0. Even if he winds up as just a primary DH, he should also be a very good player for years to come.

CousinNicky
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

maybe? if walker becomes a 125-135 wRC+ DH only player i dont think that many fans would call that a very good player especially where his expectations were prior to the season. He is still very young and the improvements can still occur but I would be wanting Yordan Alvarez type DH numbers not jorge soler type numbers for a top tier hitting prospect.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

Ok Soler isn’t a star ASG notwithstanding but he’s had a decent career. Walker might be ok at 1B if Goldschmidt gets traded

CousinNicky
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

i was posting more about Soler 2023 slash line less so his overall career. Walker was a top 10 prospect, it would be slightly disappointing to see him become an above avg DH only player. I also said he is only 21 and can still greatly improve to elite levels and would not be shocked at all.

Pepper Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

125 wRC+ would be better than every single batter on the Yankees not named Aaron Judge. Among all players with at least 30 plate appearances for the Yankees this year, the top 3 by wRC+ are:

  1. Aaron Judge, 170
  2. Gleyber Torres, 122
  3. Billy McKinney, 101
CousinNicky
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

This seems more like a dig on how bad that Yankees lineup is than anything i said. I didnt say that having a 125 wRC+ was bad or that a player who has that is bad. I am saying that a former top 10 prospect that is abysmal in the field(currently) needs an elite bat to carry him and 125 wont do that.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

Honestly still think they should have set Goldy free at the deadline for a major prospect return.

Lanidrac
2 years ago

Which once again would only make sense if the Cardinals were actually punting on 2024. Even a declining Goldschmidt provides significantly more value to the team in 2024 than they would otherwise have by trading him.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

There’s a difference between “Punting 2024” and “Prioritizing 2025.”

They don’t have a viable avenue towards WS contention next year, even if things go well.

Maximizing the prospect return from Goldy and giving Walker a defensive home were two obvious, and easy, wins that they could have accomplished with one decision.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

You said 125-135, so 125 minimum, and if he does that almost every year, that would indeed be enough to carry him as a DH, which doesn’t actually need as much as an elite bat to carry someone as a star player when he’s not actually hurting you on defense.

john0lerude
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

Ok but the Yankees suck

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  john0lerude

Have watched many Yankee games this year; can confirm.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

As long as they don’t already have another excellent hitter taking most of their PAs at DH, any team would love to get a 125-135 wRC+ at DH year in and year out! That’s All-Star level production at DH!

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

Also, Soler has only hit as high as a 125 wRC+ twice in his career, and one of them was in only half a season as a rookie.

Even you admit that Walker’s potential is much better than Soler, while his 100th percentile outcome would be at least at Alvarez’s level.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

Well Pete Alonso and Luis Arraez both have 131 wRC+ and I would venture a guess that many fans would call them very good players.

Fans don’t consider positional adjustments. If Walker becomes a top 20-30 batter in the game, fans will think he is great regardless of his position or defensive value. Outside of that 2017-2018 spike, that is roughly what JD Martinez’s career has been and he is a 6 time all-star even though the DH positional adjustment and terrible baserunning drags down his WAR.

dl80Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Walker is the rare player (Dante Bichette, Gary Sheffield) whose defense is so bad that taking the DH positional adjustment would actually hurt him less.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Tangentially/fwiw, Jaffe’s HoF piece on Sheffield reasonably questioned some of the drag on his defensive evaluation. I watched him in LAD, and I wouldn’t call his sprint speed or route running elite, but he wasn’t Schwarberesque, and his arm had life.

I also watched Gavin Lux, who can play 2B/SS fairly well, try to play LF and end up memed for it. It ain’t easy!

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

Yeah, I find it rather unlikely that his going from being unplayable in the OF from 27-32 to decent at 33/34 was unrelated to the switch from TZ to UZR.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

If he spent his whole career with proper defensive stats, he’d likely be in the 70 WAR range.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Adam Dunn’s 2009 stands tall where per DRS he was -23 runs in 540 innings at 1B, -12 runs in 505 innings in LF, and -8 runs in 180 innings in RF for an astonishing -5.2 dWAR.

He was obviously a terrible defender, but I simply can’t believe he accrued as much negative value in the outfield as he had in any prior season in half the innings while also being the worst first basemen that has ever played.

hurricanexyzMember since 2016
2 years ago

Alvarez has the second-most home runs ever by a 21-year-old catcher, behind a guy named Johnny Bench, and it barely registers! Partly because he’s currently mega slumping lol, seems like a long season of catching has taken its toll on him. But also just, there’s a lot of young players competing for the attention

CousinNicky
2 years ago
Reply to  hurricanexyz

Yes, but that is mainly due to him being the only catcher in 30 years since Ivan Rodriquez in 93 to play a full season as a 21 year catcher(very impressive, even more so when looking at how great his defense has been). Holding your own as a catcher at that age is incredible, but he is rocking a .285 on base while K out over a 1/4 of the time. If the bat improves(it should, hes 21) he will be a top 5 catcher in the league for the next decade.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago

Help me understand why Julien has a 35/40 for the “hit” tool. Looking at his wRC+ by season, I see 168, 144, 144, 138 and now a 134 in his rookie season. A+ was the only level that he hit below .280 and his OBPs are the same: .490, .397, .441, .435, .378.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

He is striking out a third of the time, so I think that a 40 is pretty fair. He’s going to have to put more balls over the fence next year or strike out less to keep up his overall offensive production.

RobM
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He also has a BABiP of nearly .400, indicating luck in his performance. So BABiP luck with his high K rate, and being platooned quite a bit, will ding him.

I do like Julien as a hitter but he has some things to work on.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He’s basically slashed .300/.400/.500 at every level. You can make the argument he wasn’t terribly young for his level anywhere, but other than that, the 35 hit tool rating looks ridiculous at this point.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

His contact rate is 188th out of 254 hitters with a minimum of 300 PAs. That sure looks like a 40 to me.

He’s middle of the pack in swinging strike rate but he’s 222nd in called strike rate, mostly because he takes a ton of pitches in the zone. His .374 OBP is inflated by an insane .393 BABIP, which is absolutely not going to continue.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago

Maybe I am just to old to understand some of this stuff but when a 2nd baseman with a sausage bat is ranked quite a bit ahead of a player who currently ranks 6th in OPS in the American League I find it very hard to accept these comparisons. All of these auxiliary parts of the game play a role in value but baseball is about being able to rake and I don’t think there is a single executive who would choose Jose Caballero over Tristan Casas if given the choice.

ColonelMustard
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Casas can swing it for sure. However his defense is especially porous(-10 OAA)and his base running is also bottom of the barrel stuff.

Also Fenway park is a notorious for being hitter friendly so he’s hurt by any formula that includes park adjustments.

All that being said, I definitely prefer Casas to Caballero. I think it’s easier to improve at defense and base running compared to hitting. Plus even if he continues to struggle in those areas, looks like a good DH already

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  ColonelMustard

It’s impressive how many DHs Bloom has collected.

But hey! He did manage to dump the David Price contract, and all it cost was the best player in baseball!

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  ColonelMustard

Wait a minute. I have been reading on this site for years that 1st base defense is of little value and that anybody can play there {which I strongly disagree with}. I am not defending Casa’s defense, it has been poor, but I will never accept that Jose Caballero provides more overall value to a team than Casas.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Casas is the second worst defender among 1st basemen, he is also a very poor baserunner. When every aspect of his game is a big negative except the bat, he has to really mash to have value. There is a reason guys like CJ Cron, Jesus Aguilar, and Nathaniel Lowe bounce around so much.

Caballero is an excellent baserunner (16th in all of baseball), and a very good defender across the infield. Even ignoring the difference in positions, Caballero has been worth 2 more wins than Casas in the field and on the basepaths. It isn’t as though Cabellero is awful at the plate either, he has right around league average because of a strong walk rate and a talent for getting beaned. He gets on base more often than Yoshida or Jose Ramirez.

ColonelMustard
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I don’t think it’s inconceivable that a plus defender(2B and some SS/3B) and baserunner with a noodle bat(bolstered by a 10pct walk rate) could be more valuable than a dude with a boom stick yet awful as a fielder and baserunner.

I got to watch Casas recently for the 7 games the Sox played the Astros. He failed to scoop several manageable throws in the dirt at 1B that led to big innings for the Stros and failed to capitalize on a routine 1st to 3rd opportunity(stayed at 2nd) as a baserunner that was pointed out by the Astros broadcasters. He hit well but was usually hitting 5th or lower in the batting order which equals less opportunity to add value as a very good hitter. He impressed me in the batters box but has obvious flaws

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Best way to put it: it’s hard to add a lot of value defensively as a 1Bman, but I’m pretty damn sure it’s quite possible to subtract a lot of value there.

Other thing I’ll note: I do think we’ll have better ways to quantify first baseman “receiving skill” soon. All of the data is there — it’s just a matter of figuring out how to take the various inputs and put it together (similar to the SB stuff Savant’s been rolling out this year).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I don’t have a ton to add to what others have said, except: I think there are some real questions whether the first base and DH positional adjustment is too extreme, especially in this world where 16 more teams need a DH. But I think it’s clear he would add more value to his team–at the moment–if he never took the field at all and just DH’d. He is real, real bad at that.

So while you could make an argument that Casas might have provided more value than Caballero, even then it’s gonna still be way closer than you would like.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree completely with your comment that positional adjustments for first base, and definitely for DH, are too extreme to the point of ridiculous in the case of DH. It has been painful watching the Red Sox defense this year. Hernandez was awful, Devers has struggled and, while LF in Fenway cannot be adequately measured, Yoshida isn’t Yaz out there. Casas has had more trouble scooping than I have seen since Dick Stuart, Yes I went to many games when Stonefingers played 1st. At this stage I think Casas with an OPS+ of 133 compares favorably with that so-called star Vlad Guerrero who is just as much of a liability on defense and is simply coasting off of his 2021 fluke. .

ColonelMustard
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Completely agree about the Sox defense. Me and my brother were laughing at the string of blunders throughout the Astros series. The team’s pitching staff has to feel such pressure to strike people out with such… shall we say, improv comedy, happening behind them

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Especially when we know, empirically, that there’s a DH penalty which WAR does not account for!

dl80Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Tell em, Wash.

ColonelMustard
2 years ago

Yanier Diaz has been sublime. The main thing holding him back has been Dusty Baker. He’s 2nd on the team in slugging percentage(.538) with 21 HRs in 337 ABs. His statcast numbers back up what the eyes see: dude smashes the ball despite swinging at everything(3pct walk rate with pitchers fearing him)

It’s crazy because the Astros biggest holes are at Catcher/1B and Yanier can play both positions passably… And yet Dusty keeps slotting in Jose Abreau and Martin Maldonado seemingly unconcerned by the fact that they would look more appropriate starring in Viagra commercials than starting for the defending World Series Champions.

Lastly, Altuve has been mind-blowing in limited action this year. He’s 3rd in WAR/100 and he’s hit 3 HRs straight today and 5 in his last 6 ABs(all of them were bombs). HOFer hands down

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  ColonelMustard

But…but…Jose Abreu is a veteran!

beasterMember since 2018
2 years ago

Not to mention Davis Schneider, who is at 1.7 WAR in his first 18 games!

JayTeamMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  beaster

1.9 WAR this morning in 82 PA’s.

mk123456
2 years ago

I think you forgot Kerry Carpenter. Unless he doesn’t qualify as a rookie? I don’t think he played a ton last year, but his WAR this year is over 2.0, which seems to be the qualifier to make your table

Disturbed
2 years ago
Reply to  mk123456

Yeah maybe he is just talking about guys that debuted this year but if you’re talking about guys who were rookie eligible this year than Carpenter seems like an oversight. He currently leads all rookie eligible guys with atleast 100PAs in RC+ with 134 and has 2.4 WAR. Deserved atleast a mention.

Max RieperMember since 2017
2 years ago

FWIW, Cole Ragans exceeded rookie eligibility last year with his 63 days of service time.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago

I would have expected to see some mention of Bobby Miller, Emmet Sheehan, Gavin Stone, et al., but I realize they may end up classified for ’24. They’re gonna end up starting playoff games.

BurleighGrimesMember since 2026
2 years ago

I just looked at Francisco Alvarez’ page and am blown away by how god-tier his defense has been this year. If his offense develops, which I think it will (he’s already a league average hitter despite his sub-.300 OBP), he’s gonna be a star in this league.