The Marlins Declare Their Type

As soon as I finish this piece, I’m going to get ice cream. There’s a soft serve frozen yogurt place owned by a surprisingly fastidious stoner about a mile from my house, and I go there once or twice a week. If I told you there are 10 rotating flavors, with chocolate and vanilla as constants, how long do you think it would take you to learn what I like by watching me fill my bowl (there are all sorts of bowl-packing jokes on the store’s signage)? How many times would I need to go in there and pull that soft serve lever before you’d know that vanilla is actually pretty high on my pref list, and that only a few things, like coconut or coffee, will pull me away from it? Or that I avoid all of the fruit flavors?

How long before we can start to identify team regime patterns in player acquisition, and start talking about team preferences with confidence, the way we do when we say that progressive clubs look for common arm slots and hand positions, or fastballs that spin? The current Marlins regime has basically now been in place since the fall of 2017, when Gary Denbo was brought in as Vice President of Scouting and Development. Miami has made a lot of seller’s trades during that year and a half, and they clearly have a type, especially when you look at their amateur acquisitions. Yesterday, that type came further into focus after a deadline deal with the Arizona Diamondbacks. Here’s the trade:

Marlins get:
SS Jazz Chisholm

Diamondbacks get:
RHP Zac Gallen

I’ll spare you what can easily be discerned by looking at our prospect coverage, namely that we prefer Chisholm to Gallen by a decent-sized margin, while also acknowledging that Gallen is a more stable prospect. The depth of Gallen’s repertoire, which he commands with precision, as well as the way his fastball plays up because of underlying components, is going to make him a good big league starter. He’s cost-controlled for the next half decade on a roster that appears poised to compete more quickly than is typical for most rebuilds.

Instead, I’ll focus on the Marlins’ return. Chisholm, Lewis Brinson, Monte Harrison, Jorge Alfaro, Magneuris Sierra, and Jesús Sánchez are all prospects acquired during the current Marlins era who have monstrous, pure physical ability, but who also have underlying issues with hitting that, except for Sánchez so far, have caused their performance to wax and wane, or their development to stall entirely. (Jorge Guzman, Sixto Sanchez, and Sandy Alcantara are pitching versions of this kind of hitter.) That’s not to say that this type of hitter doesn’t work out (Aaron Judge and Joey Gallo would have been considered this type of player as prospects), or that tools are bad (Mike Trout and Ketel Marte have huge tools), but prospects with strikeout issues in the minors are seen as risky among what seems like a majority of folks in baseball now. Not many hitters with strikeout rates as high as Chisholm’s work out. For every Aaron Judge there are several Dylan Cozens and Steven Moyas, and Kyle Blankses and Brandon Woods.

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The Marlins don’t seem to mind. They’re chasing potential superstars with high-end physical ability. Chisholm, who is striking out 34% of the time as a 21-year-old at Double-A, has all-world physical talent, and Jazz plays with clear awareness of these physical gifts. He’s a small young man with big power because of how explosively he rotates, but generating that kind of whip sometimes leaves him out of control, and this, combined with a tenuous approach to hitting (he cheats on a lot of first-pitch fastballs and often gets goofed by offspeed stuff early in counts as a result), has led to a lot of strikeouts.

Like Alfaro, there’s some room for Chisholm to strike out a lot and be a serviceable everyday player because he plays a premium defensive position. If it works, and Chisholm’s propensity to whiff doesn’t prove fatal, I think he’ll produce like Chris Taylor (who also hunts first-pitch fastballs) but with much better defense, or maybe like Danny Espinosa did in his couple of good years — power, speed, and flashy defense at a premium position.

You could argue the Marlins and other “small market” teams should target these types of players more often than other teams do in trades, drafts, and signing periods, because teams with ownership that’s unwilling to spend won’t pay a superstar talent on the open market. When presented with this theory, some folks in baseball have pushed back and told me they think it’s more important, especially when you’re trading a big league piece, not to miss, either by mitigating risk by acquiring several prospects or by acquiring prospects perceived to be safer, the way Gallen is (for a pitcher).

I like that the Marlins appreciate flash, and sexy tools, and that they’re chasing them in trades, in the draft, and among international free-agents. A rival team source told me this week that Miami seemed much more willing to part with Trackman-friendly pitching than it was with their younger prospects in rookie ball. They’ve climbed to the No. 4 spot on our farm system rankings and even though some of the guys at the top of their system will likely bust, they’ve brought on enough of these types of players now that it’s reasonable to think the core of the next good Marlins team is already in the org.

After having the most picks in June’s draft, the D-backs also had a notable deadline, behaving like a team reloading for contention in the near future rather than one enacting a long-term rebuild. Trading Chisholm for Gallen makes them better right now, and moving Zack Greinke for several upper-level pieces is a sign that the club is trying to fill talent in around franchise cornerstones like Ketel Marte, and clubhouse cornerstones like David Peralta and Eduardo Escobar while those guys are around. We now have eight D-backs in our 50 FV tier or above, and six of them are likely to be in the big leagues within the next two years. Just beneath them in the system is a huge group of teenagers Arizona just drafted or recently signed internationally. The club seems set up for long term success while also being deceptively close to competing again in earnest.





Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.

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GoNYGoNYGoGo
6 years ago

Coconut?! Coconut does not belong in ice cream.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  GoNYGoNYGoGo

Agreed. Shaved or shredded coconut can be a topping, especially for those fruity flavors. But it does not belong as the core.

david k
6 years ago
Reply to  GoNYGoNYGoGo

Coconut ice cream can be AMAZING. Go to Kanapali beach and look for Lapperts, and get a scoop of coconut and a scoop of mango ice cream, and THEN come back and tell me that coconut does not belong in ice cream!

Jimmy DuganMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  GoNYGoNYGoGo

“Only coconut […] will pull me away from [Vanilla], […] I avoid all of the fruit flavors.”

Coconut is a fruit?

timprov
6 years ago
Reply to  GoNYGoNYGoGo

Coconut is the Marlins of ice cream, so it’s at least thematically appropriate.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

That I think I like the D-Backs’ side of this deal better (although it’s close) tells me a lot about what I think about the Marlins’ system. I like Sixto and Isan Diaz a lot, and Jesus Sanchez too. But guys like Chisholm and Monte Harrison have terrifying offensive profiles, and terrifying like “cringing as your 90-year-old-uncle-is driving-too-fast” rather than the terrifying “watching a guy do stunt dives” way. I mean, Chisholm and Harrison definitely have value because of their defensive profiles, but I’d take just about any 55 on the board over Chisholm and almost every 50 on the board over Harrison.

mattMember since 2023
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m with you, Gallen also has sleeper upside with 2 good offspeed pitches. Pair that with solid command and a ok fastball, him being a good 3 is very much in play. With Chisholm I’m worried as the swing and miss issues are so bad, and I don’t think he’s a plus defender at SS. Wouldn’t be surprised with him having a very volatile career or him flaming out. I don’t think there is star upside but I guess I can see very tail end 4 win upside. High bust rate. I see this as a Chisholm dynasty fantasy owner

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Can you please tell me what is a #1? or a #2?, or a#3. Where does Chris Sale sit right now, or perhaps you might like to assign a rotation slot to Rick Porcello? I think not. There weren’t many people who had Eduardo Rodriguez at the top of the Red Sox rotation at the start of the year. My point is that any pitcher who is good enough to earn a spot in a major league rotation does not need to be called a #1, #2, #3 and so on down the line. With very rare exceptions, they will all have ups and downs and for that reason I give the D’Backs a large edge at this time. Chisholm looks like a less capable copy of J.P. Crawford and anybody who is familiar with my view on this knows that I value the eye test over the prospect hype. I always banged the drum for Rhys Hoskins and never had any interest in Keon Broxton. who to quote a scouting report from 2013 had “The best tools in the system” except he couldn’t hit a watermelon with a cricket bat.

ArmadilloFury
6 years ago

The 30+ % K rates on Chisholm all throughout A, A+ and AA are terrifying. What is the track record for prospects who post such high K rates in the low minors? I would definitely take Gallen.

PhilMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  ArmadilloFury

Joey Gallo had only two minor league stops with a less than 30% K rate – rookie ball and A+. So that might be the best case scenario.

Trotter76Member since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  Phil

But Gallo at least is physically imposing at 6’5″ – 235, so he doesn’t have to put everything into his swing to get the ball out of the park. Chisholm is 5’11” – 185, so the margin for error is considerably smaller. He’s only 21 so there is time for him to refine his approach, but it appears he’s going to need a couple years seasoning to put it together. Speaking of 6′ tall middle infielders who generate big power with huge, hole-filled swings, does anyone think a Javy Baez comp is appropriate?

mattMember since 2023
6 years ago
Reply to  ArmadilloFury

It would be a interesting study to look at players at premium position, that consensus top 100 prospects, with extremely high K rates.

mattMember since 2023
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Mondesi is one that has worked out but he was completely rushed through the minors and had lower K rates than Jazz, is much faster too (though less power obviously)

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  ArmadilloFury

Javier Baez is the common comp, but Javier Baez is a freak of nature. Jazz Chisholm is just athletic.

Keon Broxton is the more pessimistic, and probably more realistic, comp.

LenFuegoMember since 2025
6 years ago

Thanks for sharing your observations of the size of Mike Trout’s and Ketel Marte’s tools!

carterMember since 2020
6 years ago

I get it. Bats>Arms. But a pitcher who is already successful at the mlb level for a bat with an incredibly high bust rate makes me lean towards the Dbacks side.

liamk
6 years ago

You don’t worry about having too many prospects for the same position, but perhaps the DBacks are confident enough of Perdomo being their future SS that they believe they are trading from a position of strength

liamk
6 years ago
Reply to  liamk

And I think they just wanted to replace one Zack G with another Zac G while keeping their other Zack G

david k
6 years ago
Reply to  liamk

Well, with Gallen and Leake now in the fold, it’s likely the other Zack G won’t be on the Dbacks roster for very long.

ArmadilloFury
6 years ago

Can we put a “Who would you take – Chisholm or Gallen?” poll on this post and see how the fangraphs readers fare compared to the actual results few years down the line?

david k
6 years ago
Reply to  ArmadilloFury

I have never actually seen Gallen pitch, but from the reports about his repertoire, plus perusing his minor league numbers, I’d take Gallen (caveat: if he doesn’t get seriously injured. which, of course, is more of a risk with pitchers)

NATS FanMember since 2018
6 years ago

I think trading Gallen was a mistake. He is a very young and talented above average starter and that is usually the hardest thing to find from my observations. I am sure they could have gotten decent hitting prospects for their slightly older pitchers who may not be around for the next competitive Marlins Team.

Cole
6 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Perhaps it will end up a mistake, but the Marlins aren’t really hurting as far as upper level pitching prospects in the minors, whereas outside of Isan Diaz, they don’t have much in the way of MI depth that’s close. I think it was an appropriate gamble considering their resources

TKSmith3Member since 2019
6 years ago

Eric, interesting article. I just have a question for you. How is it that you (Fangraphs) have a 55 FV grade on Jazz Chisholm and rank him as the 31st best prospect in baseball yet while we all know he has immense upside you still compare his future production in this article to players like Chris Taylor and Danny Espinosa. I just feel like that ranking and his immense upside, despite his down year this year with all the strikeouts should still warrant a higher/more productive player comparison for his future. Otherwise, shouldn’t he be moved waaaay down the top prospect list? I’m just trying to see how he can be ranked #31 but being compared to Chris Taylor and Danny Espinosa. Thanks for your hard work!

tdouglas
6 years ago

What a difference from Dave Stewart and Tony LaRussa, eh? In your last paragraph, you could also mention acquiring two cost-controlled, solid players (including a talented catcher, which is a rare find nowadays) for one year of a declining first baseman. They are set up to be good for a long time.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
6 years ago

Sirrah, thou hast slandered Kyle Blanks! He turned into an above-average ML hitter who put up 2.3 fWAR/600, but he was always injured.

Cole
6 years ago

As a fastidious stoner myself, I really appreciate the opening to this piece. High-5 😉 .

Stoppage in Udders
6 years ago

Why is Sixto Sanchez considered a pitcher equivalent to these boom or bust hitters? He has big tools, yes, but he has also exhibited excellent control at every level and has demonstrated an ability to miss bats and generate ground balls. He has been successful at every level and currently owns a 9.11 k/9, a 1.65 bb/9, and a 0.55 hr/9 in 82 innings at AA. At 21. Where’s the risk other than with regard to health (a risk that almost every pitcher faces)?