The Most Promising Thing About Gregory Polanco Right Now
The funny thing is, Andrew McCutchen and Starling Marte are so good the Pirates would be in the conversation for baseball’s best outfield no matter who the third guy was. But more often than not, the third guy has been Gregory Polanco, and Polanco came with enormous hype. He’s had his good days and bad days, his good moods and bad moods, but these days Polanco’s on a tear. A few weeks shy of his 24th birthday, Polanco looks like he might be realizing his potential, with power, a quick swing, and a diminishing rate of groundballs. The more Polanco hits, the better off the Pirates are, and the better are the chances that Polanco really is establishing himself as a quality regular.
An interesting thing about Polanco is that, even when his numbers weren’t great, they were well and good against right-handed pitchers. It was lefties who were giving him fits, and while that’s not too uncommon for a young lefty bat, it was clearly a hurdle for Polanco to overcome. As much as the Pirates believe in and practice positional versatility, they still would’ve loved to not have to keep Polanco platooned. This leads to something that’s really encouraging. Polanco’s numbers, lately, are up. So is something else.
This is a plot from Brooks Baseball, showing the rate of pitches Polanco has seen from righties and lefties over the course of the season. Should be simple enough.
Polanco’s numbers are up at a time in which he’s faced lefties more often. That’s a pretty big shift, leading into a somewhat lefty-heavy August. And in August, Polanco has a 152 wRC+. Might be a coincidence. Might be the Pirates trusting Polanco more against same-handed pitchers. The point is, seeing more lefties hasn’t wreaked havoc on Polanco’s statistics.
And it’s not that Polanco has just been crushing righties so much that he’s offset problems against southpaws. That would be one potential explanation, but that’s not the actual explanation, because Polanco has seen lefties and Polanco has hit lefties. There are signs that Polanco has made that adjustment, the one adjustment that was keeping him from being a legitimate everyday player.
A year ago, against lefties, Polanco finished with a miserable 33 wRC+. He had two extra-base hits, and a number of groundballs. Through this year’s first three months, against lefties, Polanco didn’t have any extra-base hits, but he did have one walk and 13 strikeouts. He slugged .139. The last two months, against lefties, Polanco has slugged .458. He has five walks and 12 strikeouts, and five extra-base hits. Really, he might deserve six — on August 3, Polanco doubled to right off a left-handed fastball in a game that ultimately got rained out, erasing the statistics. In the big picture, it doesn’t matter, but in the little picture, it is hidden further evidence of a successful adjustment made.
It’s notable that the erased double came off a lefty fastball. Polanco pulled it to right, where, previously, he’d had a lot of trouble getting around on left-handed heat. This has been one of the criticisms offered — that Polanco let his swing get too long, such that he was vulnerable against fastballs, particularly those from the same side. Clint Hurdle believes that Polanco has shortened up, and maybe instead of dwelling on a double that no longer officially exists, we can just watch Polanco against a southpaw named Clayton Kershaw.
From earlier in August, this led off a game:
That’s a home run on a fastball Polanco had no problems catching up to. From the sixth inning of the same game:
Now, that’s Polanco flying out short of the track, which isn’t remarkable, but you can see that Polanco just missed. His timing was good, and his swing was good, and he just didn’t get the right part of the barrel on the ball. You don’t want to give him too much credit, since it wound up a can of corn, but Polanco came that close to going deep twice against Clayton Kershaw in six innings. He had no trouble with Kershaw being a lefty. He had no trouble with Kershaw throwing left-handed fastballs. You want to evaluate a hitter by his process, and the process was there for Polanco to be successful.
Earlier in his career, not so much. Lefties gave him problems, and he put a lot of baseballs on the ground. Some of that would’ve been mechanical, and maybe some of that would’ve been psychological, but now Polanco’s in a better place, and he’s driving the ball more in the air. He’s demonstrated that he can spray the ball around. Hurdle sees it as a night-and-day difference, and if Polanco sustains his gains against same-handed pitchers, that’s better for everyone. I guess maybe not Sean Rodriguez or Josh Harrison, but I figure the Pirates are willing to take it.
In general, Gregory Polanco is having better at-bats. In general, he’s doing more with the baseball, in terms of spraying it in the air with authority. In specific, Gregory Polanco has seemingly made a good amount of progress against lefties, and that used to be a major stumbling block. So, do the Pirates have baseball’s best outfield? They never left the conversation, and they’ve always had an argument. Now, the argument’s stronger. When Polanco’s looking comfortable enough against the best starting pitcher in the game, that carries more than a little weight.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

Best Outfield in baseball? I’d take Heyward, Grichuk and Holliday over the Pirates outfield anyday. Hell, I’d even take heyward, Grichuk and Piscotty!
Because you’re biased.
Because he’s obviously trolling, you mean.
#BestOFinBaseball
Just as a simple example, the Royals OF have the highest WAR total. Followed by ARI, DET, and LAA. Cardinals are fifth overall and the Pirates are seventh.
Pretty deceptive to look at all OF WAR, instead of the 3 starters. The Bucs lose a ton due to backups sucking. The starters WAR is 9.9, which is 3rd best (only behind Trout+ and DET who no longer has Cespedes) and ahead of the Cards top 4 combined.
Sure it is, but like I said it was just a simple example.
Lol, typically Cards’ fan. I agree the Pirates outfield is overhyped, but man you have no idea what you’re talking about. Holliday is a has been. Probably done now that he’s off the ‘roids (Cards love their ‘roids players – signed Peralta right after getting busted). Grichuk is the definition of a flash in the pan fluke. Piscotty is a fourth outfielder (even Cameron, who doesn’t make a lot of good points, agreed on this one. Heyward is the one decent player, but that is built way too much on defense and he’s gone after this year.
Cards are due for a run of mediocrity to plain suckiness. Fitting, because this current run has been based on cheating and, to an even greater degree, luck. Seriously, look at all their winning seasons. Bunch of mid to high 80s win teams who got lucking in the post season. In 2013, they only won 97 due to sequencing with hitting and this season they are only winning due to sequencing with pitching.
Bottom, terrible franchise is about to get its just desserts.
I like outfielders who take the field.
McCutchen + Marte = 7.8 WAR
Grichuk + Holliday + Heyward = 7.7
Grichuk + Piscotty + Heyward = 7.6
Good Call!
Holliday has missed most of the season, and Grichuk has missed a good bit of it too. Not an apples to apples comparison. They also know how to play the game with respect, unlike that lollygagger Marte and bat-flipping McCutchen
Gosh, if you have to say that Marte doesn’t play the game the right way, why don’t you point out his plate discipline? He sure is a hacker.
A lollygagger that takes balls off his elbow about twice per week for his team, plays a gold-glove LF and should be the center fielder, has a cannon for an arm that gets respect around the league and prevents runs, manages to beat out many IF singles, and manages to steal 30 bags per year. Yep, a total waste of a player.
LFat PNC park is bigger than CF. That’s why he plays LF.
This might be the most Cardinals fan comment ever.
I like this Jimmy fella.
On the one hand, McCutchen and Marte have a lot more PAs than the Cardinals OFs.
On the other hand, neither McCutchen nor Marte is a rookie with a BABIP over .370 (or a pending free agent).
Don’t feed the troll
People on this site seem to have no understanding of the internet. Trolls get fed so easily here I don’t even blame them for coming around anymore. It’s too easy.
It’s because rather than ignore an idiotic post people are chomping at the bit to show off how much smarter they are than everyone else on this site.
Not me. I just want to show everybody how above all of that I am.
Disagree. There is still a hope of keeping this space unlike the rest of the internet.
In my observation…there aren’t a lot of trolls that stick around for a long long time. Eventually they go away.
Sure new ones come along.
But I’m not sure why the solution is to just allow people to shit in a punch bowl I rather enjoy.
Dog days of writing me thinks.
A corner outfielder with a 102 wrc and negative defensive value.
Zzzz
It’s less about the whole season and more about “what have you done for me lately.”
No kidding. Jeff has a Pirates love fest going on. Before the season he wrote that Marte would be an MVP candidate. Jeff has clearly found his new team to be a homer for after the M’s (#6 org – Cameron, lol) continue to suck it up.
Well the Pirates are objectively awesome
There are also a lot of articles on Mike Trout and Bryce Harper and Clayton Kershaw. When players tend to do remarkable things with regularity, they get more articles.
The Pirates don’t have any players who are as remarkable as Trout, Harper, or Kershaw, but they have a lot of fairly remarkable players, so we can expect to see a lot of articles about the Pirates.
It’s not bias, it’s just writing the material when it’s there.
They have exactly one – Andrew McCutchen. Marte and Cole are good players, but lots of teams have lots of those. Also, not just the Cards are getting by on luck. Check out the Pirates BaseRuns – getting pretty lucky themselves.
Cubs may be the only actual good team in the division.
2015 BaseRuns winning percentages:
Cardinals .574
Pirates .559
Cubs .545
matt w and Jeff –
Let’s look at the teams themselves, not just BaseRuns. As I detailed below, Cardinals are a total fluke. But Pirates? What are they? They don’t really have a lot of good players, they get by on shifting and pitch framing. In other words, instead of actually having talented players, they game the system because MLB lets shifting occur and hasn’t put an automatic strike zone in place to stop the farce that is pitch framing.
So no, they’re not awesome, Jeff. The are an extremely uninteresting team without a high amount of talent that games the system. Not to mention they have the ugliest unis in MLB this side of Padres’ camo unis. Spare me this Pirates love fest that’s going on.
Shifting and Framing are absolutely talents. Open your eyes.
Grant, that’s a load of crap. The strike zone is defined by the rule books and should be called consistently. It’s just gaming the system because umpires can’t really judge ball/strike calls that well. So once an automated strike zone gets implemented, bye-bye pitch framing, which is so freaking stupid. Give me a break if you find that aesthetic about baseball.
As for shifting, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with player talent. That is pure analytics. Again, ruins the aesthetic of the game, unless you love seeing a guy smack a ball into the gap only to be caught by the third baseman in right field.
I hate watching the Pirates. Give me a team with actual talent like the Cubs or Dodgers. I probably even hate watching the ‘Rats more than the Dirty Birds, and that’s saying something.
Dude:
You said, “not just the Cards are getting by on luck. Check out the Pirates BaseRuns – getting pretty lucky themselves.
Cubs may be the only actual good team in the division.”
I pointed out, according the statistics that you yourself told me to look up, that the Pirates and Cards have played better than the Cubs.
It’s a bit ironic that you’re calling for an automatic strike zone and fixed infield positions, because if you were a football fan you’d be in favor of shifting goalposts.
Shifting and framing are actual elements of the game as it exists today. I would love to see framing go away because the strike zone is called accurately consistently, but that’s not the current environment. Regardless of your feelings on the matter, framing is a skill which can give a team an edge in the current paradigm of the game, ergo we must discuss it when assessing the quality of a team.
Shifting takes some skill on the players’ part, too, by the way. Shifts put them in positions with which they’re not necessarily comfortable (2B on the outfield grass, 3B in the SS spot, SS on the 1B side of 2B), and changes how the players have to communicate to make plays. The pitchers also have to hit their spots to make shifts work. It’s a total team effort, and everyone has to buy in.
But to say the Pirates “only have a couple good players” is also ridiculous. They have McCutchen already at 5+ WAR, Kang sitting around 3.5, Cervelli at 3 and Marte just under, and Walker and Polanco each at 2. That’s six of eight regular position players who could stop today and claim they were at least average producers on the whole year, four of whom are comfortably in the “good” range, and one who is among the best, despite an abysmal, injury-troubled start.
By wRC+, they can easily assemble a lineup with 7 above-average hitters, and depending on how they want to align their defense, the 8th could be just below average. They have a deep bench, as well.
For pitching, they have an ace in Cole, Liriano is probably about a #2, and Burnett, when healthy, a good #3. All three can fairly regularly completely shut down an opponent. Their bullpen is amazing, six or seven guys deep depending on how Bastardo is going at the time.
They’re a good team. They’re built well. They’re not a fluke.
Darkstone, no they are not a complete fluke, because they do shifting and pitch framing well, which is certainly repeatable as long as MLB allows it. But the talent is underwhelming for me.
However, and I think we can all agree on this, the Cardinals are a complete fluke. They do nothing at all well. They don’t shift well and they don’t frame that well. BaseRuns undersells how fluky they are. I am certainly on your side with one thing – Pirates are way better than the Dirty Birds. No organization has gotten as purely lucky as they have since 2006. A bunch of noise and weirdness and non-repeatable skills. Fluky seasons from fluky players and the like.
The one reason I still read and post on Fangraphs is because guys like Cameron aren’t afraid to call the team out on its obvious luck and flukiness. If you look at yesterday’s chat, Cameron is not so far off from my assertion that Cardinals are actually a middle of the pack team at best. Cameron rates the Dodgers and Nats ahead of them and throws them in with 5 or so other teams in the NL. Cameron also not afraid to call out their fluky, uninteresting prospects. He rightly has pointed out the Martinez is actually a reliever (seriously, watch the guy pitch – all flare, no command or control) and Piscotty is a fourth outfielder (Holy unsustainable BABIP, Batman!)
Now Cameron has said some dumb things in the past about #6 org and trashing Nelson Cruz last few years, but he gets it right when it comes to the Cards, not like the “lame” stream media who does nothing kiss their you know whats.
Point is, Pirates are not an exceptional team, but in no way did I mean to compare them to the Cardinals. They are a much better team than Cards, especially in the future, but they are still nowhere close to Cubs and Dodgers.
you win the coveted Honorific Homerific Troll Trophy 2015, sir. let’s get mad that the Pirates are being written up in a positive light, shall we? that seems reasonable.
Right, because I object to being inundated with articles about not very good players because the Pirates are now the sacred cow at Fangraphs since the Mariners turned out to not be the #6 org. LMAO.
How many articles have you read about the Pirates on FG? Honestly, I see one on the front page (the Polanco piece we’re commenting on), none on the second (they get mention in the winning & spending article but it’s not a Pirates article), none on the third. Most of the pieces are actually about the Dodgers, the Red Sox, Yankees, and Nationals and even the Brewers have more articles written about them here than the Pirates do in that 3 page sample. This sounds more like “Cardinals fan is mad that Pirates are pesky and doesn’t want to believe they’re a good ballclub”.
Dude, you really don’t pay attention to anything do you if you think I’m a Cards’ fan? I hate the Cards as an org more than any team in baseball. So no, I’m not a Cards’ fan homering on Pirates. I’m just pointing out that I don’t think the Pirates warrant an entire article about a mediocre player.
Seriously, you Pirates’ fans are getting just as bad as Cardinals’ fans are. Irrational defense of your team? Check. Can’t handle any criticism of your team? Check. Another annoying NL Central fanbase rising up with a Midwest Inferiority Complex? Check Freakin’ Mate.
Why would I care enough to “pay attention” to what team you’re in to? You just sounded like a moran so I called you on it. My point stands. The Pirates don’t get written up all that much. You could actually look through the site like I did but that doesn’t fit your narrative. You could also think about finding a different site to read if you don’t like shifts and catcher framing…
You’re not checking or mating anything. You’re just writing bad posts.
I don’t know why you’re so upset about an article about Gregory Polanco. The Website isn’t “Fangraphs about the best player in the MLB.” This is a site for analytical discussion. The above article does not say that Polanco is the best player in baseball. It simply says Polanco is playing well right now and these are the statistics that back it up. Since the Pirates are one of the franchises that uses (and succeeds with) analytics then it makes sense that an analytical writer on an analytical website would write about them. An analytical site should be about what teams and players are doing well or poorly, not what’s the star player in baseball doing today. A site like Fangraphs doesn’t need to cover Mike Trout because do you really need analytics to see that he’s the best player in baseball? Of course not. So why waste time covering that? If you want updates about what Trout and Harper are doing every day then watch Sportscenter.
BTW, Polanco went 3 for 5 today with 2 runs scored, the game winning RBI and two outfield assists.
Never understood why so many local people (yinzers) were labeling him a platoon guy because he had about 100 bad ABs against his first taste of MLB lefties. The guy almost hit .300 against LHP in his entire minor-league career. While it is too early to call him a success, there really wasn’t any evidence to me that destined him to be a platoon player other than a slow start, which most MLB prospects tend to encounter upon being promoted.
Yinzers gonna yinz. These same people go crazy when Walker, who has a sample size of sucking against lefties, gets platooned.
While I won’t defend anyone that said that GP is a guy that should be platooned no matter what, I believe that if a guy on a contending team trying to win a division is struggling against a particular subset of pitchers, he should probably be platooned as often as possible. A team in the Pirates position couldn’t really afford to let a player, young or not, go through growing pains as bad as GP’s was, and they did platoon him a fair bit at the beginning of the season. That being said, MAD props to the kid for making huge strides in such a short amount of time. I really didn’t want to see Morse or Ishi in RF for those at bats.
That’s a fair statement. My comment was more at the guys calling in to various shows and saying, (after probably seeing about 25 at-bats of his, that he “can’t hit lefties”. How many rookies have you seen that looked totally lost at the plate for the first 1 or 2 years and then all of a sudden something clicks? There were hosts saying this kind of thing when he had 40 major league at-bats versus lefties!? That is what they were basing their ‘analysis’ on.
For stretches in his minor league career, he actually used lefties to get out of slumps, too. Major League lefties are much better than minor league lefties, and it was the biggest adjustment he had to make. If he’s made it, he should better resemble his minor league splits going forward, I imagine.
Cutch is at his peak. Marte and Polanco will improve. I’d not trade the trio for any other starting OF.
“Marte and Polanco will improve”
Ok, Great Swami, how do you know this?
Years and years of staring at baseball statistics and noticing how old many of the players were when they had their years with the oh-so awesome BOLD number of doubles, batting average, homeruns, etc. that Topps used to do, denoting that they lead their league in that category.
Something like that!
I thought Jeff Sullivan got it right in his recent article claiming Marte could win the MVP award. Marte was scary good in the second half of 2014. He just needs to swing at pitches in the strike zone.
Not too many players peak at 24 or 25.
Marte turns 27 in August. He may actually be in his peak right now
Marte turns 27 in October.. He could be in the midst of his peak to be honest
And he has shown improvement every year so far. K% down this year for the third consecutive year, average is down about 3 points while he lost .30 off his BABIP, career high in HR’s. He lost a bit of OBP this year but we have a few more games against Cincinatti so there is still time to increase his HBP.
Let’s see Horatio,
2013 – 4.8 fWAR
2014 – 4.4 fWAR
2015 – 2.8 fWAR so far – projected to finish with 3.6 fWAR
Yep, sure looks like he’s improving every year, lol.
Marte’s BsR is down this season. It’s even below average for whatever reason. Save his rookie season, Marte has been 8 runs above average.
I agree with the comments above that imply that not enough attention is paid to the Cardinals on Fangraphs
I think this is what you’re looking for:
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/
Well, the entire team and it’s players are built on a fraud perpetrated by the front office.
Also, the team actually sucks this year, sequencing propping them up. Pirates and Cubs are way better. Hell, half the NL is better. Just a fluky, lucky team.
Anything to back up that statemnet that half the National League is better? Because BaseRuns accounts for all that sequencing noise and still rates them as the second-best team in the NL.
Well, bunch of flukes on that team for one. Grichuk actually sucks, just fluky. Piscotty is a 4th outfielder running a fluky BABIP. Yadi is terrible now. Wong is mediocre at best. Peralta has come down to earth now that this year’s supply of PED’s has worn out. Who else do they have? Two half-way decent players in Carpenter and Heyward? They certainly have no stars or even bottom ballot MVP candidates.
And all those pitchers are complete flukes. That’s all sequencing luck. They don’t even have a pitcher who has broke the 3 WAR mark.
Right now, I would have the following NL teams as better teams: Dodgers, Giants, Pirates, Cubs, Mets, Nationals for sure. Maybe Diamondbacks and Padres as well. So yeah, at least half of the NL teams are better, not to mention a bunch of AL teams.
I apologize, looks like Wacha barely breaks 3 wins. Only because of flukey low HR rate. xFIP over 3.6. LMAO, these guys really have nothing special.
Would you say it was … a felony fraud?
I’ve said it before on here, but the whole org should be prosecuted under RICO and disbanded. We didn’t just sit by and let Enron executives keep doing what they were doing did we?
We are a nation of laws and we need to stop letting the fat cats of society do whatever they want. Maybe if somebody like Donald Trump became Pres something would be done. Instead we’ll probably get a status quo corporate shill like Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton.
Sorry to turn this a little political and I will stop now, but had to get my point across.
Bro, you wanna grab a bat?
Part of why Polanco started seeing more ABs against LHP: Injuries to Josh Harrison and Jordy Mercer. When your best alternative left is Sean Rodriguez (and you also have Pedro Alvarez and Neil Walker in your lineup) you get a few more chances to play decent defense and hit lefties.
Probably true, let’s hope that this opens Hurdle’s eyes that he should not be relegated to platoon player when he is 24 years old and has the track record that he does.
Wow, that first HR gif shows Kershaw missed his target by the entire width of the plate, how often does that happen?!
A few times per game, I’d imagine.
They’re definitely the most watchable outfield in baseball.
Sure, if you like ‘Cutch more than the greatest player on the planet, Mike Trout. Marte and Polanco, especially, are just not that good. Marte is an above-avg player. He is not an MVP. He is not on the level of other great outfielders. And Polanco is average at best. The guy cannot hit, ok? I don’t know why we are using SSS improvement against lefties to say this guy is gonna become more than just an average player.
I’m shocked that Mattingly and other Dodgers weren’t yelling at Polanco for showing emotion and flipping his bat, or that Grandal wasn’t waiting at the plate to confront him.
I’m having a fit!!
I’ll take rusney, JBJ, and Mookie
When I look at the NL right now, the best team is the Pirates. To me, hands down, right now they are playing some darn good baseball. The best AL team is the Blue Jays. So any anti pirate trolls are just not paying close attention to the statistics of the game.
I wish it was the NATS! but, they have been so banged up this year and never had a great bench to fall back on offensively. Still a great pitching staff, but bad hitters with bad defense (except for Harper of course).
RotoWire News: Polanco filled up the score sheet Friday night, going 3-for-5 with two runs scored, one RBI, and his 22nd stolen base in the Pirates win over the Rockies. (8/28/2015)
And threw out the go ahead run at home in the 8th