The M’s Find A Closer Upgrade While The Rays Confuse
The Mariners understandably upset their fan base on Wednesday when, while just one game out of the Wild Card race, they traded away Kendall Graveman, and to the Astros no less. While it’s still a debatable move, Seattle general manager Jerry Dipoto has shown a bit more of his hand since; after trading for Tyler Anderson to stabilize the rotation on Wednesday night, he found a better reliever than Graveman in the form of Rays closer Diego Castillo, who was acquired for righty J.T. Chargois and minor league corner infielder Austin Shenton. For Seattle, mystery solved, at least kind of; for the Rays, on the other hand, it’s a curious decision.
In getting Castillo, the Mariners have upgraded their late-inning options for the stretch run. Armed with one of the more deadly two-pitch combinations in the game, he is throwing more strikes than ever and missing more bats than ever, and given that he’s just 27, there’s still upside beyond what we’ve seen. There’s nothing complicated about what Castillo does or the way he does it; he’s a classic let-it-eat bullpen ace who sits 96–98 mph with the heater and has a slider in the upper-80s. In an era obsessed with revolutions per minute, he is the rare anti-spin guy, with below-average RPMs on both offerings, but he has found a way to add some two-plane break to his breaking ball this year. He’s also using his slider more than ever in 2021, with nearly 70% usage. Compare that to just two years ago, when he went after hitters with a nearly 50/50 mix.
While Castillo has greatly reduced his walks, he still certainly has far more control than command. It’s the same approach against every hitter: he elevates his fastball and throws his slider to the one location he can consistently get to, working the lower outer edge to right-handed hitters and back-footing lefties. It’s the kind of thing you can succeed at with quality pitches, and there’s no reason to think that success won’t continue. The Mariners added an elite high-leverage reliever who should be able to rack up saves in the Emerald City for three more years (Castillo is arbitration eligible for the first time this offseason), and they made their big league roster better, both right now and in the future.
The Rays will replace Castillo’s roster spot with the 30-year-old Chargois, who has been one of the best NRI signings of 2021. After many years as an up-and-down reliever in the Twins and Dodgers organizations, Chargois struggled to find consistency while pitching in Japan last season, and all he could get upon his stateside return was a non-guaranteed deal with a spring training look. He didn’t break camp with Seattle, but injuries forced a callup, and he’s been an above-average reliever since, although he’s regressed a bit since a strong May start.
Finding consistent major league success for the first time at the age of 30 has been the end result of a greatly improved slider, as Chargois has added significant horizontal action to his 85–87 mph breaking ball; those sweepers have become the flavor-of-the-month for pitch data types in recent years. The pitch has performed well, and both Seattle and Chargois recognized this, as his usage of the pitch has been pumped up to the 70% range, but while his fastball has above-average velocity, it plays down a bit off of inefficient spin and shape. He’s a solid bullpen piece with a salary that certainly appeals to Tampa, and will remain that in 2022 as well.
As for Shenton, he was seen as a potential first-round pick entering the spring of 2019 after an outstanding showing in the Cape Cod League but got off to a very slow start at Florida International. That came at the worst time, as the beginning of the college season in Florida is when top scouts and executives are going to see such a player during their Spring Training stay. He finished the year strong, though, and was eventually selected in the fifth round.
Shenton always hit as an amateur, and that’s continued into his pro career, where he has a .300/.414/.566 batting line in 67 games this year and reached Double-A two weeks ago. He has an excellent approach at the plate, good feel for the barrel, and average power, but scouts wonder if that will be enough for his other limitations. He’s short, stocky, and a well below-average runner, and while he was a third baseman as an amateur and has played the majority of his games there as a pro, he’s already started seeing significant time at first base, a position that many scouts see as his ultimate destination. He’s a legitimate offensive talent, but the value is limited to the bat, so he’ll need to keep raking all the way up the ladder.
I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t understand this deal for the Rays. This feels like a solid return for a closer-level arm, but it also feels like Tampa Bay is taking its bullpen backwards for the purpose of avoiding Castillo’s arbitration when it should be shoring up for the postseason. The Rays have a fantastic reputation for building outstanding relief corps on the cheap, and they do an outstanding job of not only identifying interesting relievers, but also finding ways to make them better. I criticize this deal with the profound knowledge that two weeks from now, somebody at FanGraphs will probably be writing about how Shawn Armstrong turned into the most dangerous reliever in baseball or some such. But for now, at least at the big league level, it feels like Seattle got better and the Rays got worse.
Kevin Goldstein is a National Writer at FanGraphs.
I don’t get this. The Rays have made trades that have gone south, but I can’t think of them ever making stupid trade, but I really don’t get this.
I agree, it makes zero sense from Rays perspective. I can only assume perhaps there’s more to the story, like some off-field incident that we are not aware of involving Castillo. Have no idea what else could possibly motivate them to move him, given Rays current bullpen situation and several years of team control.
Curious if Rays just see a hitter in shenton that they love, and that they continue to see offense as a major weakness. Also a possibility that the other shoe has yet to fall…
I think Rays see similar pitcher type with more spin they can clot into the spot and get a bat they like.
I think the a Rays just have such a stacked bullpen that they think they can perform at the same level without him.
Also apparently they are one of the leading candidates for Kimbrel
White Sox just got Kimbrel. Now that is going to be one ridiculously good bullpen.
Kimbrel currently would be the best arm in that bullpen, at least in my eyes. His current form is the best relief pitcher in the game, imo. With that said, why? Between Liam, Kopech, and Crochet they already had a damn good bullpen. That doesn’t seem like one of their needs.
I did think that flipping Trea Turner for Steven Souza was inexplicable at the time.
The Rays actually make a ton of trades that you look at and go, “well, that looks like it’s bad.” But people have become reluctant to criticize the Rays after the Chris Archer trade because it was so lopsided. I agree the Trea Turner trade was inexplicable at the time, and the trade where they traded Pham and Cronenworth for Renfroe and Edwards was also pretty bad too (although it turned out way worse than that).
Wil Myers was the Rays’ contribution in that trade; Turner was a recent draftee of the Padres at the time (which of course prompted a rule change).
While we (rightly) praise TB’s ability to find & develop players, sometimes we forget that they’re also run by incredibly cheap ownership that sees paying arb and full contracts as a greater L than, well, actual L’s…so they’re gonna do deals like this, too.
Somebody mentioned, I think in the Adam Frazier trade article, that they wondered if seeing teams target a guy like Marcano ever changed evaluators analysis of a guy or type of guy.
At the time I was thinking that it wouldn’t in that case because Cherington’s track record is too short. But it also made me think of articles like this. When a team like the Dodgers or the Rays does something that seems odd or maybe even like a bad idea there’s always a paragraph like the one at the end of this article. We want to give them the benefit of the doubt and we’re also squinting at the move hoping to see how things in baseball might look different just down the road.
Has nothing to do with this piece but…Bluejays just got Berrios for Austin Martin. Wowsers
I have liked JT Chargois as a sleeper for a while but Castillo’s not a free agent for…three more years? Four more years? IMO the Rays are just overthinking this. The Mariners are probably a better team over the next 3 years (maybe more) than they were before, the Rays are worse, and Shenton and Chargois’s extra year of team control just doesn’t make up the difference. Hand it to Jerry, this is good.
Minor note, but the Graveman trade was announced on Tuesday, not Wednesday.
Are the Rays really that loathe to pay Castillo an ARB1 level salary for next year?
I’m guessing “yes.” And it’s loath.
Yep. The Rays tend to move players before ARB1. It’s basically their formula–keep them until they hit ARB, then trade them. Like any formula, it has times where it makes more sense than others. I do not see this as a time where it makes sense.
Super strange. Did the Rays ask other teams for offers? Hard to believe this is all 3.5yrs of Castillo gets you. Seattle did great getting many years of Toro + Castillo in exchange for a few months of Graveman and a non-elite 1B prospect.
Just cause Shenton was hidden deep in the Second Best Farm team in Baseball doesn’t make him a Non Starter Prospect. Look at his numbers, He can Hit for above avg. has a lot of projectable power, can take a walk too. Just watch he will be top 10 in Rays system by mid season next Summer
Nick Anderson is on a rehab assignment, so maybe they are confident he will be back up soon to give an added boost.
Pretty risky bet for a team trying to get into the playoffs. Partial UCL tear is not a given he’ll make it through the end of the season. Most end up going the route of TJ surgery or in his case the “Repair with internal Brace Construction” surgery. Shorter rehab.
I wouldn’t joke about Shawn Armstrong being the next Rays basement bargain. If they gave away cash considerations to get him, actual cash considerations, they must believe he is the answer for their high-leverage needs over the next 3 months.
When a guy named Diego isn’t the only Stud in your Stable you can trade that guy named Diego and bring up Diego 2.0. Obviously the Trade is about Shenton who’s numbers show a lot of promising Projectable Power he will tap into not to mention he’s got a keen eye and can take a walk too. You can’t teach that to younger players so the Kid is already a leg above A+ hitting. Just watch in late 2022 Shenton will be a top 10 prospect for the Rays, I’m betting top 5
Shenton has great offensive numbers in the minors, plus 2.5 more years of control than Castillo.
Although it’s a short-term hit to the big league squad, making this type of move consistently is how the Rays keep a stacked farm system and stay competitive.
Goldstein you’re behind the times. Castillo is a ticking time bomb. He’s sitting more like 93-94.5 lately (and averaging 94.5 on the sinker this year). Something is up with him. Chargois is basically the same pitcher Castillo is (JT with good xFIPs the last 3 years) with 2 more ticks on the sinker. Shenton fits the mold of player the RFO has been trading for and drafting lately. Feels like they are ahead of other teams in the players they’re acquiring with these high contact/good approach guys that have some pop. (Mead, Manzardo, Shenton, etc.)
The Rays ALWAYS trade a little earlier than late on their players. By next year Castillo is either going to be on the IL for a significant amount of time or he’s going to be running 4+ FIPs. He has gone from 50% slider to almost 75% slider and sinker velo went from 98 to 94. You have to check your own blinders when talking about Rays trades.
I also find it odd Castillo has significantly changed his arm slot to be closer to 3/4′ to sidearmer. There is something odd going on here. In RFO I trust.
As much as I value Mr. Goldstein’s articles, I agree with you, his data is behind the times. A quick check on Gameday for the last 3 games shows 92-96 mph sinker with an average of 94 mph. The 96 to 98 days are gone. By Savant, his average is 94.8 mph, but the truth is, Castillo is nearly a 70% slider machine at 87 mph.
Still, by X numbers, Castillo is outstanding. What I don’t know is are these X number park and fielding independent adjusted? If not, as suggested by Rays Metrics, it should not surprise us if Chargois puts of roughly equivalent numbers
Think you’re being pretty harsh on Goldstein. Yes, Castillo’s velocity is down but so is his walk rate. Maybe he is sacrificing some velocity for better control. Also, he is still getting great results. Hard to fake 34% K rate, 7% walk rate, and a 16% swinging strike rate. As for 70% sliders … who cares? He’s a reliever. He is optimizing his best pitch.
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The Rays needed cheap, fresh bullpen arms since they have blown through their entire bullpen to the point that they have had 25 pitchers – not an error – hit the IL this year.
The Rays only value Chargois and Armstrong for whatever innings they can contribute before they get injured from overuse. Then they will dip into their minor leagues and do the same thing. And in the off-season they will move quality players to get cheap, young relievers that can use until they hit the IL.
This is an efficient way to run a major league team when you don’t value your players as people, and you don’t value the community you are in. Stu is using MLB as an ATM machine and will continue to flip talent others want for cheap, young arms, not because they are financially strapped – that’s a myth – but because its market inefficiency they can exploit while putting money in their owners pocket.
The Los Angeles Dodgers are the best pitching team in the league and they have used 28 pitchers. Tampa Bay has used 29 pitchers this year including position players. You’re way off base. Try being less angry when you post.
People said the Arozarena trade was a head scratcher. Don’t forget that Nick Anderson is throwing blanks on his rehab. Maybe the Rays think he is ready to rejoin the MLB pen.
Maybe the Rays don’t think tbey can keep up with the rest of the contenders.
Oakland, ChiSox, Yanks, and Jays got much better. They may see themselves in a dogfight for the second wild card and chose to start prepping for ’23.
Knowing the Rays, they’re probably going to build the equivalent of an All Star first baseman out of a platoon of Shenton and Kevin Padlo, who is basically the right handed version of him next year. The Mariners never seem to have the depth to be that kind of smart, so I’m okay with it.
This has nothing to do with money. It has to do with Castillo losing velocity and relievers being replaceable. But someone who advocates banging on trash cans can’t objectively write about a front office that…well…doesn’t.
This doesn’t really make sense for the Mariners, either.
The Mariners are not in a position where they should be trading scarce infield prospects. The Mariners farm is overloaded with OF prospects in the high minors but is relatively thin on IF prospects except at the lowest levels of its system.
I’d much rather have Toro and Castillo than Shenton and Graveman, but I’d rather have Toro and Shenton than Toro and Castillo given our realistic competitive position…
There’s no need to ever trade actual prospects for a closer unless you are trying to win right now, and it makes no sense for the Mariners to try to win right now when they are very unlikely to outperform the Yankees or A’s down the stretch. Do the fans and players realize how much better the Yankees always get at the deadline?