The Ohio Teams Actually Did Something Productive

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The Angels surprised everyone on Tuesday when they placed six veterans from their big league roster on waivers. Four of the players — Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo López, Randal Grichuk, and Dominic Leone — were recently acquired by the Angels at the trade deadline, while the final two — Hunter Renfroe and Matt Moore — had been picked up last offseason. The Yankees followed suit by placing center fielder Harrison Bader on waivers. With waiver claim priority going from the team with the worst record to the best, the teams at the back end of the playoff races got first dibs. The Cleveland Guardians and Cincinnati Reds, two teams that would miss the playoffs if the season ended today, scooped up five of these seven players, with the Mariners grabbing a sixth in Leone. Only Grichuk went unclaimed. Carlos Carrasco, José Cisnero, and Mike Clevinger also joined the waiver wire without attracting any interest.

The Guardians were the most active team, adding Giolito, López, and Moore. Giolito was one of the bigger names traded at the deadline, and the Angels thought enough of him at the time to give up Edgar Quero, our 51st-ranked prospect, and former second-rounder Ky Bush in order to bring him and López to LA for one last-gasp attempt to grab a playoff spot. Giolito was a disaster for the Angels. His ERA and FIP were both near seven, and he only managed quality starts in two of his six attempts. López fared somewhat better, but was rather adventure-prone, only throwing a clean 1-2-3 inning once in 13 games for the Halos. Moore had a solid year in Los Angeles, but he can be fairly tricky to use, as he doesn’t have the typical profile of a lefty reliever, with his changeup and his knuckle-curve significantly tougher for righties to hit than lefties these days.

A starting pitcher was just what the Guardians needed. Shane Bieber and Triston McKenzie are both out with significant injuries, and if they return at all this season, it will only be at the very end. Gavin Williams just left a start with a sore knee and Cal Quantrill is only just returning from a shoulder injury that has sidelined him since early July. The bullpen is in better shape, but Moore and López do at least provide additional depth. The Guardian bullpen now ranks sixth in our depth chart rankings.

While Giolito ought to pitch better in Cleveland than he did in Los Angeles, there’s a big problem with this acquisition: the date. Bieber, McKenzie, and Quantrill were all injured long before the deadline, yet the team did practically nothing productive to address the needs of their rotation. In fact, they did less than nothing, sending their most effective starter this season, Aaron Civale, to the Rays for Kyle Manzardo, while picking up a struggling Noah Syndergaard. While one can make a solid case for preferring Manzardo to Civale over the long haul, it certainly wasn’t a move about making the 2023 team better, and Syndergaard has since been released. So this is a curious time to suddenly start worrying about the 2023 pennant race.

The Guardians’ playoff probability isn’t zero, but a lot needs to go right for them to play meaningful October baseball. The team stands at five games behind the Twins with 28 games to play — not an insurmountable deficit, but still a significant one. To get an idea how much this moves the needle, I ran the ZiPS projected standings both before Cleveland’s waiver claims and after:

ZiPS Projected Standings – AL Central (Before)
Team W L GB Pct Div% WC% Playoff% WS Win%
Minnesota Twins 84 78 .519 95.4% 0.0% 95.4% 4.3%
Cleveland Guardians 77 85 7 .475 4.1% 0.0% 4.1% 0.1%
Detroit Tigers 74 88 10 .457 0.6% 0.0% 0.6% 0.0%
Chicago White Sox 65 97 19 .401 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Kansas City Royals 52 110 32 .321 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%

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ZiPS Projected Standings – AL Central (Now)
Team W L GB Pct Div% WC% Playoff% WS Win%
Minnesota Twins 84 78 .519 93.4% 0.0% 93.4% 4.3%
Cleveland Guardians 77 85 7 .475 6.1% 0.0% 6.1% 0.1%
Detroit Tigers 74 88 10 .457 0.5% 0.0% 0.5% 0.0%
Chicago White Sox 65 97 19 .401 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Kansas City Royals 52 110 32 .321 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%

At least according to ZiPS’ estimates of relative team strengths, if you played the final month of the season 50 times (against the fervent pleas of Mets fans), you’d expect the three waiver-wire pickups to flip the AL Central winner one time.

Now let’s take a drive down I-71 and visit the Reds. Like the Guardians, the Reds didn’t do anything particularly helpful for the 2023 season at the deadline, only picking up Sam Moll from the Oakland A’s. Adding Renfroe and Bader does give the team more flexibility in the short term. With Matt McLain, Jonathan India, Jake Fraley, and Joey Votto all currently out with injuries, outfield depth and a couple right-handed bats were certainly on the shopping list, and that’s what their two new additions provide. Renfroe’s the better hitter of the two and has experience at all four corners, while Bader remains a Gold Glove-caliber defensive player in center. The Reds are currently in the better playoff position than the Guardians, only a game and a half behind the last Wild Card spot through Thursday’s games. However, it’s not quite as strong position as one may think, as they’re fighting three other teams for that last Wild Card spot. So, let’s run the standings a couple more times.

ZiPS Projected Standings – NL Central (Before)
Team W L GB Pct Div% WC% Playoff%
Milwaukee Brewers 89 73 .549 72.8% 23.0% 95.8%
Chicago Cubs 86 76 3 .531 26.7% 54.6% 81.3%
Cincinnati Reds 80 82 9 .494 0.5% 7.8% 8.2%
St. Louis Cardinals 72 90 17 .444 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Pittsburgh Pirates 73 89 16 .451 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%

ZiPS Projected Standings – NL Central (Now)
Team W L GB Pct Div% WC% Playoff%
Milwaukee Brewers 89 73 .549 72.3% 23.0% 95.3%
Chicago Cubs 86 76 3 .531 26.8% 53.5% 80.3%
Cincinnati Reds 81 81 8 .500 0.9% 11.2% 12.1%
Pittsburgh Pirates 73 89 16 .451 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
St. Louis Cardinals 72 90 17 .444 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%

Cincinnati’s additions project to be about twice as impactful as Cleveland’s. A four-percent boost in playoff probability actually would have ranked the Reds third in baseball at the deadline.

Both Ohio teams had weaknesses in their teams that they at least partially addressed via the waiver wire. While both improved their chances at making the playoffs, one can’t help but wonder what might have been if moves of similar quality had been made a month ago.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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MarkZMember since 2016
2 years ago

> Renfroe’s the better hitter of the two and has experience at all four corners

Is this including DH as a corner? I had no recollection of him playing 3B and his fangraphs page seems to agree. Maybe in spring training?

Trevor May Care Attitude
2 years ago
Reply to  MarkZ

Like the fourth wall, the fourth corner exists only in our minds.

Trevor May Care Attitude
2 years ago

*third wall

(Edit function appears to be on the fritz.)

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Been there, done that.
Hard to keep’em straight, sometimes..

MarkZMember since 2016
2 years ago

I was a little surprised Clevinger wasn’t claimed for the chance of having him as their #4 next year by some team. His advanced stats look to be from mediocre to negative since 2020, but he also could be a FIP beater based on his career. I’m sure teams don’t want to commit so early and he probably wouldn’t be a “bargain”, but that seems a perfectly reasonable price for one year. I’ll check back at this time next year and see how my Mets are doing with their rotation.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  MarkZ

I wouldn’t count on him beating his FIP, but his FIP and xERA indicate he’s been at least a #4 starter this year, and ZiPS sees that continuing.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  MarkZ

I saw somewhere that his 2024 Option buyout is fairly large at $4M, so his cost was potentially much higher than the others.

isavage
2 years ago

But why buy him out, why not pick up the option? 1/12 seems pretty reasonable

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  isavage

IIRC It’s a mutual option, so the chances both sides exercise it is minimal.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

Randal Grichuk, today: “The heart dies a slow death, shedding each hope like leaves until one day there are none. No hopes. Nothing remains.”

Mike NMN
2 years ago

Methinks that MLB will revisit this process over the offseason. This could end up with very strange outcomes….maybe one of these guys given away will ramp it up or even turn into a playoff star.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

Seeing as the current system was put in place in 2019, I’m just surprised it took four years (not counting 2020) for teams to start doing this.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

As I said in the comments of…one of the articles about the Halos, what they did really required a perfect storm of circumstances.

As for the Yanks waiving Bader, he wasn’t hitting very well at all and they wanted to clear space for Dominguez.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

Yeah this is not at all a regular occurrence. And even if it was a regular occurrence, I don’t think MLB is in the business of making rules to keep teams from embarrassing the sport.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It probably will be a regular occurrence from now on. It’s not just about teams that bought at the trade deadline and then fell out of contention. Any non-contender at the end of August has no reason not to do this with any expiring contracts (that weren’t already sold off at the trade deadline) they don’t intend to resign or make a qualifying offer for, as long as the player can still be valuable to another team and isn’t a franchise icon for his current team. That could be as many as a dozen players every year.

Whether MLB has any motivation to block the idea with a rule change remains to be seen.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

If the Guardians or Reds make the playoffs and these guys are playoff stars then it is the waiver system working as intended! Priority goes to teams with worse records, gives them a shot. The only thing to not like about this is that it’s embarrassing to see a team put a quarter of their roster on waivers at exactly the same time, but the Angels play in the same division as the A’s so embarrassment is relative.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I am a bit surprised that none of the teams who are sending out screaming, huge signals that they want to sign pitching this offseason (Cardinals, Mets, Padres, maybe even the Rockies) wanted to take a closer look at Giolito up close to evaluate him over a longer period of time.

But maybe I shouldn’t have been. It’s quite possible that this horrible run with the Angels, along with his continued long-term decline, have made him such a low priority for these teams that they don’t care. Me, I think he’s fixable and think someone will agree and make him a priority, but if so it’s very likely a team lower in the waiver claim order (like the Orioles, Red Sox, or Giants).

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s not worth spending extra money that could be saved for the actual 2024 payroll just to directly pre-evaluate a pitcher.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

IDK, don’t you think the Cardinals would have preferred to see how Willson Contreras worked with their pitchers before signing him? Or the Yankees trainers could have spent some time with Rodon before signing him? Maybe the Angels would have liked to know if Tyler Anderson was just a creation of the Dodgers’ coaching staff? Granted, sometimes it doesn’t work out–the Rangers brought back Martin Perez and we saw how that turned out. But it does seem like some very bad contracts would have been avoided if the team got a chance to see them everyday instead of just on tape and at a team physical.

Of course, it’s entirely possible that teams really do believe that an extra $1.7M to prevent a $40M-$150M blunder isn’t worth it. But it’s also quite possible that a lot of those teams don’t even want to hand out $20M to Giolito after the year he’s had much less more, in which case it’s probably irrelevant.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Giolito either goes on a tear for Cleveland or he ends up looking for a pillow contract. If he doesn’t his medicals will be suspect because of how he fell off practically overnight.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

Also, I am also a little surprised that the Guardians are the ones who wound up with Lopez and Moore; I would have thought the Guardians had completely given up at this point, and they’re not exactly renowned for spending an extra $1.5M for kicks (which, if my math is right, is what they would pay Moore and Lopez over a person earning $1M on the year). I thought both of them would have gotten all the way to the Marlins or Reds.

And that’s before Giolito, too.

Left of Centerfield
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah, the Moore and Lopez claims are a bit surprising. But the Giolito one makes sense. At some point, they have to think about innings limits for Bibee, Allen, and Williams. And Giolito gives them someone who can take the pressure off. Of course, the could have also not traded Civale…

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I’m just surprised they care enough about this season to pay an extra $1.7M or whatever to have him eat innings instead of Syndergaard. If they were 3 games back instead of 5*, I think I would have expected it because Syndergaard looks like he’s done. But with 5 games back and a losing record, the percentages look terrible. Or, alternatively, if the Guardians had a history of spending like even the Brewers or Tigers.

*assuming they were 5 games back when they put in the waiver claim

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I called Giolito to Cleveland in the waiver article comments!

I will now immediately return to being wrong about everything, the situation to which we’ve all grown accustomed.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Frankly, I’m shocked that the Guards were willing to spend an extra $1.5, let alone $1.5M.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Actually, Cleveland is now playing for free: the $3.7M aren’t coming from Dolan.
As of aug 31, attendance was up by 300K over last year. It’s a windfall of fan money and if they can somehow make it to .500 they’ll have a shot at keeping the higher attendance.

And if by some miracle they make it to the playoffs the white flag move in July will be conveniently forgotten.

Other reasons:
1- They took two out of three at Toronto and Minnessota.
2- The Twins bid on all three pitchers anf got none.
3- They still have two games in Cleveland with the twins.

Playoff hopes have been pinned on flimsier straws so attendance might even go up a bit if tbey win a few in a row.

So, why not?

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Three games at home with the Twins.

Thin hopes as you say, but if they were to pull off a sweep then we’ve got a real race on our hands.

fjtorres
2 years ago

Almost did, too.
But that only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

The other reason to do it, that I didn’t list, is that there is little evidence anybody else in the division cared enough about the title to invest much at the deadline.

Max Power
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It might’ve just been that they had a budget set for the season, maybe with some wiggle room to add in trades. Then when they sold and shed the Bell salary, they were under budget and Antonetti has enough goodwill built up with Dolan that Dolan allows the claims seeing that they will still be under the initial budget set for the season.

SenorGato
2 years ago

Ngl Cleveland claiming all three of Giolito, Moore, and Lopez was pretty cool. I say “was” because the first thing I read a out it is they added payroll. We always have to insist on talking about the salaries to the benefit of our overlords, can’t stop worshiping their wealth even as they burn the world and call everyone else entitled