The Orioles Aren’t Good… But They Are Interesting

On Monday night, the Orioles beat the Mariners, turning an early 7–0 lead into a 9–2 win. In the annals of history, a last-place team beating a fourth-place team in a midseason game won’t exactly be one that old baseball historians recount in future documentaries. But it did cause the O’s to cross a symbolic threshold, guaranteeing that they’d have their first winning calendar month since 2017 (counting a 2–1 March 2019 would be a scurrilous case of loopholery). That’s not exactly cause to break out a Melchizedek of the bubbly stuff, but it’s progress for a team whose rebuilding efforts seemed to be lacking that characteristic.
One thing that bedeviled the Orioles was how little of a boost they received at the start of the rebuilding process. Mike Elias may have been hired after the 2018 season to oversee the reconstruction, but it was the old brain trust who got the ball rolling with major trades, dealing away Manny Machado, Zack Britton, Kevin Gausman, Jonathan Schoop, and Darren O’Day and receiving 15 players in return. Until this season, it looked like the only one that would make any impact on the team’s future would be Dillon Tate, picked up from the Yankees in the Britton trade, who has made his home as a mid-tier reliever. You can make an argument that the best minor leaguer involved in an Orioles trade during the first year of the rebuild was a player who was traded from Charm City, not acquired, when the O’s sent minor league veteran Mike Yastrzemski to the Giants.
The lost 2020 minor league season was problematic for everyone on the planet, but in a pure baseball context, I’ve argued that it was especially so for a Baltimore team flooded with Triple-A tweener pitchers and not enough places to play them. Fast-forward to our second season of relative normalcy, and you start to see a real foundation start to come together. We were generally bullish around here about Baltimore’s farm system coming into the season; my colleagues Eric Longenhagen and Kevin Goldstein rated the team very highly, and ZiPS had the team with the best prospect in baseball both at catcher and on the mound. ZiPS is even more positive about the team’s future now as most of the top prospects have improved their stock, some massively, rather than see it slide. Let’s run down some of the projection changes since the start of the season.
Adley Rutschman
Ranked the No. 2 prospect by ZiPS entering the season, a huge improvement for Rutschman would have been a difficult one. He hasn’t destroyed major league pitching, but after a slow initial couple of weeks in the bigs, he’s come on strong and is now roughly where the projections expected. That in itself is a win given the erratic nature of development for young catchers and Rutschman being an older prospect who missed a key season in 2020. He remains where ZiPS saw him coming into the season: a franchise catcher who the O’s should be trying to lock up at the earliest opportunity.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2023 | .263 | .346 | .431 | 499 | 71 | 131 | 23 | 2 | 19 | 65 | 60 | 99 | 3 | 115 | 2 | 3.9 |
| 2024 | .260 | .350 | .442 | 480 | 70 | 125 | 23 | 2 | 20 | 64 | 62 | 100 | 3 | 118 | 3 | 4.0 |
| 2025 | .260 | .353 | .451 | 477 | 71 | 124 | 24 | 2 | 21 | 65 | 65 | 103 | 3 | 122 | 3 | 4.3 |
| 2026 | .256 | .352 | .442 | 468 | 70 | 120 | 23 | 2 | 20 | 63 | 65 | 102 | 3 | 119 | 2 | 4.0 |
| 2027 | .258 | .354 | .449 | 457 | 69 | 118 | 23 | 2 | 20 | 64 | 64 | 98 | 3 | 121 | 1 | 3.9 |
Gunnar Henderson
Henderson was a favorite of ZiPS, almost pushing him into its top 50 prospects. As you might expect, hitting .312/.452/.573 at Double-A and .329/.448/.629 at Triple-A is not something that ZiPS would digitally frown about. Two weeks ago, Henderson’s combined line translated to a monster .273/.380/.396, that on-base percentage being nearly 20 points higher than any translation for a player with at least 200 PA last year (Khalil Lee’s was .362). With a 1.131 OPS since I ran that translation, it’s now a .284/.385/.410 triple-slash line. Henderson’s long-term projection, if it had been the result back in February, would be enough to make him a top 10 prospect, according to ZiPS.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2023 | .250 | .336 | .409 | 504 | 70 | 126 | 23 | 3 | 17 | 71 | 65 | 150 | 11 | 106 | 5 | 3.1 |
| 2024 | .257 | .348 | .437 | 490 | 72 | 126 | 25 | 3 | 19 | 75 | 68 | 140 | 12 | 117 | 5 | 3.8 |
| 2025 | .258 | .354 | .452 | 493 | 75 | 127 | 25 | 4 | 21 | 78 | 73 | 147 | 12 | 122 | 6 | 4.3 |
| 2026 | .253 | .353 | .453 | 494 | 76 | 125 | 25 | 4 | 22 | 79 | 76 | 152 | 11 | 122 | 6 | 4.3 |
| 2027 | .251 | .354 | .453 | 490 | 76 | 123 | 25 | 4 | 22 | 79 | 78 | 154 | 12 | 122 | 6 | 4.3 |
The top three in Henderson’s offensive comp list are Adrián Beltré, Eric Chavez, and Troy Tulowitzki. The O’s would be happy with any of those! Despite quickly moving up the ladder, Henderson basically added 50% to his walk rate and nearly halved his strikeouts while also adding power. The above projection is as an above-average third baseman, but ZiPS also sees Henderson as an adequate shortstop, and the Orioles have kept playing him at shortstop rather than cutting bait on something that could make him a superstar. Oh yeah, he just turned 21.
Jordan Westburg
Henderson isn’t the only O’s SS/3B crushing it in the high minors this year. Westburg just missed the top 100 last year, but ZiPS thought he’d get to the majors quickly, already projecting a .244/.312/.391, 1.7 WAR line for him entering the 2022 season. Promoted to Triple-A Norfolk a couple of weeks ago, Westburg has a combined minor league line this year of .275/.351/.535. A re-projected league would now see Westburg join other O’s in the ZiPS top 50; the biggest concern of the computer was just how little minor league experience he had as a 2020 draftee.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2023 | .252 | .323 | .419 | 515 | 67 | 130 | 26 | 3 | 18 | 65 | 48 | 142 | 8 | 105 | -1 | 2.8 |
| 2024 | .251 | .323 | .422 | 502 | 66 | 126 | 26 | 3 | 18 | 64 | 48 | 144 | 7 | 105 | -1 | 2.7 |
| 2025 | .246 | .321 | .425 | 499 | 66 | 123 | 26 | 3 | 19 | 64 | 50 | 147 | 7 | 105 | -1 | 2.7 |
| 2026 | .247 | .322 | .426 | 498 | 67 | 123 | 26 | 3 | 19 | 65 | 50 | 147 | 7 | 106 | -1 | 2.8 |
| 2027 | .241 | .318 | .421 | 485 | 64 | 117 | 25 | 4 | 18 | 62 | 49 | 143 | 7 | 103 | -2 | 2.5 |
Kyle Stowers
After losing his age-22 season in 2020, ZiPS was a bit on the fence with Stowers, even after a solid 2021. While he had a bit of a breakout year, he was also relatively old for those levels, so ZiPS wanted to see more from him in 2022. The computer got its wish as Stowers continued to hit in Norfolk, earning a promotion with a .261/.362/.551 line.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2023 | .254 | .322 | .444 | 594 | 72 | 151 | 35 | 0 | 26 | 101 | 57 | 141 | 5 | 110 | -3 | 1.8 |
| 2024 | .254 | .326 | .446 | 574 | 70 | 146 | 35 | 0 | 25 | 99 | 59 | 139 | 6 | 112 | -3 | 1.9 |
| 2025 | .252 | .325 | .450 | 571 | 71 | 144 | 35 | 0 | 26 | 101 | 60 | 142 | 6 | 113 | -4 | 1.9 |
| 2026 | .251 | .326 | .452 | 557 | 70 | 140 | 34 | 0 | 26 | 98 | 60 | 139 | 5 | 113 | -4 | 1.9 |
| 2027 | .251 | .327 | .445 | 542 | 67 | 136 | 33 | 0 | 24 | 94 | 59 | 131 | 5 | 112 | -4 | 1.7 |
ZiPS isn’t projecting Stowers to be a star, but adding another cost-controlled league-average slugger to go with Ryan Mountcastle and Anthony Santander helps round out the lineup quite a bit.
Grayson Rodriguez
It’s rare for a pitcher to be knocked out for the season with an injury and still consider the year an overall positive, but this is an unusual case. Rodriguez being shut down isn’t because of Tommy John surgery or one of those exotic shoulder-related maladies, but a significant lat strain that the Orioles are taking very seriously. But before the injury, the team’s top pitching prospect made a very successful transition to Triple-A Norfolk, and his stuff was dominating minor league hitters.
| Year | W | L | S | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | ERA+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2023 | 9 | 7 | 0 | 3.92 | 22 | 22 | 131.0 | 117 | 57 | 20 | 43 | 151 | 112 | 2.3 |
| 2024 | 9 | 7 | 0 | 3.86 | 22 | 22 | 135.3 | 118 | 58 | 20 | 43 | 155 | 114 | 2.5 |
| 2025 | 9 | 7 | 0 | 3.81 | 22 | 22 | 132.3 | 114 | 56 | 19 | 41 | 154 | 116 | 2.5 |
| 2026 | 9 | 6 | 0 | 3.78 | 20 | 20 | 121.3 | 104 | 51 | 18 | 37 | 141 | 116 | 2.3 |
| 2027 | 8 | 6 | 0 | 3.74 | 19 | 19 | 118.0 | 100 | 49 | 17 | 36 | 139 | 118 | 2.3 |
Even with the injury, which ZiPS is aware of, Rodriguez leaves 2022 with a better computer projection than when he started it.
Dean Kremer
Kremer is a pitcher with a rather wide gulf between his full ZiPS projection and the simpler model that is used in-season for daily updates. The more robust version, with its use of zStats, sees a much better strikeout rate than the 6.1 whiffed by Kremer per nine innings. Now, the model isn’t going all-in based on a handful of impressive starts at the major league level, but his updated projection represents a significant bump from the pre-2021 one, which saw Kremer as basically a future fifth starter or swingman.
| Year | W | L | S | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | ERA+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2023 | 7 | 6 | 0 | 4.37 | 20 | 20 | 127.7 | 126 | 62 | 19 | 45 | 129 | 101 | 1.6 |
| 2024 | 7 | 6 | 0 | 4.31 | 20 | 20 | 127.3 | 122 | 61 | 18 | 44 | 129 | 102 | 1.7 |
| 2025 | 7 | 6 | 0 | 4.33 | 19 | 19 | 122.7 | 117 | 59 | 18 | 42 | 125 | 102 | 1.6 |
| 2026 | 6 | 5 | 0 | 4.28 | 18 | 18 | 113.7 | 108 | 54 | 16 | 39 | 115 | 103 | 1.6 |
| 2027 | 6 | 5 | 0 | 4.37 | 17 | 17 | 107.0 | 101 | 52 | 16 | 37 | 110 | 101 | 1.4 |
Throwing another average pitcher into the mix deepens a rotation that still needs significant help. Add Rodriguez and Kremer to a hopefully recovering John Means, Drew Rom, and with a little luck in DL Hall’s development, Baltimore suddenly has a usable rotation, one close enough to supporting a wild card contender that it suddenly becomes a good time to look seriously at free-agent pitchers to fill it out.
Of the top 15 O’s prospects in our preseason rankings, only a single player, Kyle Bradish, has seen his career WAR projection go down in ZiPS. That’s progress.
A lot of things can happen between now and contention. You don’t have to travel far from Baltimore to see cautionary tales in the 2010s Phillies and Pirates. The former did a lot well during the rebuild, but a lot of the team’s prospects just didn’t work out, leaving it with a performance gap to fill in free agency that it has never quite closed. The latter rebuilt well, but when it came time for ownership to make good on their promises and invest in the team at the top of the success cycle, the wallet stayed shut. As for the O’s, the franchise is currently embroiled in a vicious custody battle between Peter Angelos’ sons John and Louis, and the long-running dispute between the Orioles and Nats over MASN profits is still not resolved. There are a lot of things that can prevent Baltimore from making the division a five-team race again. But for now, the Orioles are worth watching, and hope is not merely an ironic joke.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Cowser hasn’t been great but had a big game in his AA debut last night. And Kjerstad is healthy and hitting (no jinx please).
What MLB players that are currently playing for the O’s are long-term building blocks? Adley, obviously. Austin Hays, Cedric Mullins, and Dean Kremer most likely. Ryan Mountcastle and Tyler Wells, potentially; relievers are fickle but Dillon Tate and Keegan Akin look like they’re worth keeping around. Ramon Urias could be a decent utility guy.
Mancini and Lyles are likely gone. That would leave:
John Means (still needs to recover before a trade or extension)
Anthony Santander (some defensive issues lately, otherwise would be a solid corner outfielder)
Jorge Lopez (thriving in the bullpen but relievers are fickle)
I think I’d trade Santander and give the job to Stowers or Yusniel Diaz, and I’d listen on Lopez. He’s been pitching much, much better than most other relievers who would be available, but he’s not going to pitch this well going forward.
I’m definitely expecting them to trade either Santander or Mancini (moving Santander to DH) and promote Stowers.
As for the building blocks — I dunno, relievers are fickle as you say, but honestly Tate would be like fourth on my list after Akin, Perez, Bautista, and Vespi looks like a decent lefty arm too. And after years as Mountcastle skeptic, I’ve come around a bit this year. The OBP isn’t ever gonna be there, and that’ll keep a 1B from ever being a star, he’s still just 25, and his statcast page is bright red.
As an orioles fan I’m definitely happy Perez is doing well & hope I’m wrong but feel like he is by no means a guaranteed fixture in the pen. His ERA is wonderful but his WHiP isn’t great and he’s been pretty lucky this year, but it is hard to find lefties who throw upper 90s & he had an ok prospect pedigree so I think he’s a fine middle reliever but doubt he should keep getting used as a set up man like he has been lately.
I do really like Vespi who’s always had solid minor league numbers outside of like 10 AAA IP last year. He has great breaking stuff and everything moves to keep hitters off balance.
I also agree Bautista is a keeper too as long as his walk rate stays improved & that Akin is a solid swing man.
Tate to me is their second best RP. His movement + control is probably second only to Lopez among their RPs & he’s been pretty reliable. Plus, I like he’s willing to “learn” in the sense he has been going to driveline to try to improve his velo & movement.
Mountcastle has been weirdly good as a defender this year. +1 DRS, +2 OAA, +3.0 UZR. I know he’s 1B only at this point, but that’s still better than anyone expected given how bad he was last year, and in the minors. And he’s currently hitting as well as he is while producing poorly on contact against fastballs, unlike his previous 180 games between 20-21. If he taps into any of that while keeping his current gains, he’ll be a very solid 1B.
Yeah, I didn’t mention the defense just because it’s out of step with last year and I want to see it last a little longer. To my untrained eye, the glove work and hands are both impressive, which you might expect from a guy who spent most of his minor league career at SS, and I guess it’s enough to make up for the mediocre (right handed) arm and still undeveloped instincts. It’s still just really hard to be a star first baseman without getting on base more than he does, but he is just hammering baseballs this year in a way that the top line stats don’t show. His xBA is .318 and xSLG is .604, and needless to say he would be viewed quite differently if his actual numbers were closer to that.
Diaz and Stowers probably both need full-time at-bats to show any hope of improvement. And Stowers… I don’t know; I feel like the reduced strikeout rate he showed in AAA this year is a mirage and he’s going to strike out at minimum 28% of the time, and I don’t think his power and contact are worth that much of a K-discount. This year in AAA is the only time he’s posted a remotely sustainable BABIP, too.
I had lost track of Yusniel Diaz and thought that the line of .161/.233/.265 that he hammered in 2021 was the end. As Dan said in the article, all the Birds have gotten in return are droppings.
Dean Kremer may, repeat may, salvage something from giving Manny Machado away. How does a pitcher go from serving up 17 dingers in 53 innings in 2021 to allowing only 1 in 28 frames this year? This was take a little more time to see if it is real.
You’d have to assume the truth lies somewhere in between, given how extreme those numbers are, but for what it’s worth on the broadcast last night they showed just how different his pitches are this year. His changeup and curveball are both very different than last year, with the change getting even more vertical drop and the curveball much tighter. He also seems to be throwing the cutter much more often this year. I am not smart enough to be able to draw a ton of conclusions from any of this, but it’s pretty striking just how different he is this year, in such a short amount time.
I think Corbin Burnes did something similar. Not saying Kremer is Burnes, obviously.
Yeah, but he’s already on the 40-man and is doing fine in AAA (in a very short sample). It won’t matter if he can’t stay healthy but it’s not like he’s super old–he’s only 25.
“scurrilous case of loopholery”. Love it. An excellent write-up across the board. I guess it’s hard to predict relievers going forward, but it has to help that they may well have what looks to be a shutdown closer on the roster going forward already. 2023 will be an exciting year.
The Orioles future is extremely bright. The biggest issue is that they play in the best division in baseball. They are 4-9 against the Yankees and 31-32 against everyone else. I think they’ll be a .500 or better team next year with a full year of Adley, Grayson Rodriguez, etc.
Also it’s absolutely hilarious that the Orioles have the best prospect in baseball (Adley) this season and instantly created another best prospect in baseball in Gunnar Henderson. Adley, Grayson, and Henderson look like the next core for the next playoff team for the Orioles. They just need to supplement with some free agents.
It’s amazing what getting a top-3 draft pick a bajillion years in a row will do for the farm!
To be fair, they had enormous hits on Henderson and Grayson Rodriguez. I think Rodriguez was even picked before the implosion of 2018 started sending them to the Top 5 every year.
I do agree, however, that you can’t assign too much credit in grabbing the consensus #1 pick that year (Adley), who was good enough that he was considered the best player in the draft in at least four years and potentially as long as eight years.
I’m happy for Dan and other Oriole fans. I have no such optimism for the A’s
They’re not a joke right now, just an average team playing in the toughest division in baseball and getting better. They have a non-zero chance to finish out of the basement this year, which would be a good first step.
So Grayson Rodriguez is never projected to pitch more than 135 innings and he is the #1 pitching prospect in baseball? That’s odd…
Yeah that’s a by-product (I think) of Dan’s computer model (correct me if I’m wrong, but these might be the most likely outcomes, not the ceiling). Most Birds fans like myself probably envision much higher ceilings, particularly for Adley, Grayson and Henderson.
I think the most interesting thing about the Orioles is their non-terrible status means they could be a major influencer in the AL wildcard race with a well timed hot streak, considering Boston, Jays and Rays are in the thick of it.
They’re 5-3 vs Boston and 4-5 vs Rays, 2-2 Jays.
Final 10 games vs Rays are done by August 14. August 8 to the end of season they have 15 games vs Toronto and 11 games vs Boston.