The Padres Are Poised to Pull a Brewers

The bad news is that we have the Padres projected for baseball’s worst record. The good news is that’s not really surprising to the Padres, and Keith Law recently ranked their farm system at No. 3. They tried the whole go-for-it thing, and it blew up, so they reversed course. To this point, it’s gone well, and probably better than was expected. You can look at the Padres and see how they could eventually return to being competitive.

What that doesn’t mean is that the rebuild is complete. The Padres will have more selling to do, and as I look at their roster, I see a team poised to do one of the things the Brewers have done. Milwaukee has done well to sell off parts of its bullpen, bringing real prospect value back in exchange for Jeremy Jeffress, Will Smith, and Tyler Thornburg. They’re all effective pitchers, but they don’t mean much to a could-be cellar-dweller. You might know the Padres for having a suspect pitching staff, but the bullpen should be of considerable interest. And if events go well enough, then come July, the Padres might end up in charge of the late-inning reliever market.

Around deadline time, there exists a sort of reliever premium. This is mostly because, by the deadline, teams know where they stand, and in the playoffs you can exaggerate a reliever’s usage pattern to squeeze the most out of him. Every year, no matter how much offseason preparation was done, there are always contenders who need to boost their bullpens. The Padres have several guys they could conceivably market, but the big three for now are Ryan Buchter, Carter Capps, and Brad Hand.

Buchter is under team control through 2021. Capps is under control through 2018, and Hand is under control through 2019. Relievers are generally considered shorter-term assets, no matter the contract status, just because of the volatility and injury risk. But control is control, and it doesn’t mean nothing. There’s value there, and there’s value in the performance.

Let’s start with Buchter. He’s already almost 30, so he’s been a late bloomer, but one thing he has going in his favor is his left-handedness. He has an extremely fastball-heavy approach that gets fly balls and strikeouts, and last year, out of the 129 relievers who threw at least 50 innings, Buchter’s strikeout rate ranked 16th. Importantly, Buchter isn’t just a specialist. Specialists do have their uses, but Buchter actually faced twice as many righties as lefties, and he got them out. He whiffed a third of all the righties he faced, making him one of the lefty leaders in that regard. As with everyone, there’s no guarantee that Buchter will perform as well in the season ahead, but if he does keep it up, any contending team’s manager would love to have him. With Buchter on the mound, you don’t have to think so hard.

Moving to Capps, you remember him, even if you might not remember how he wound up with the Padres. The big problem for Capps is that he missed the entire 2016 season because of Tommy John, and maybe some people thought that was inevitable. And returning effectively from elbow surgery is no lock, so Capps will have to re-prove himself. That being said, he’s somewhere around 100% at this writing, with spring training coming up. Capps’ delivery still hasn’t been ruled totally illegal. And the last we saw Capps regularly take a major-league mound, he struck out 58 opponents in 31 innings, with a paltry seven walks. David Price just put up a 90 ERA-. Two years ago, Capps had an ERA-, FIP-, and xFIP- that added up to 91. He was completely unfair, throwing 98mph fastballs that looked 102. Batters missed with almost half of their attempted swings.

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I don’t know how many assets are more volatile than Capps. He throws so hard, in such an unusual way, and his numbers are outlandish. They’re almost impossible to believe. But say Capps comes into camp healthy. Say he stays healthy. He probably takes the closing job from Brandon Maurer. Even if he doesn’t, he’s working in the later innings, and he’s going to get his strikeouts. Teams would look at Capps and see shutdown innings in the playoffs. Few pitchers would seem so appealing.

At last, we have Brad Hand. Used to be, he was one of those pitchers you only really knew because of his name, like Fernando Abad, or Jeff Manship. Last April, the Padres grabbed Hand off waivers from the Marlins. He subsequently led all big-league relievers in innings, with 89.1, and he also led all relievers in appearances, with 82. What did Hand do to earn so much trust?

That’ll do it. Hand just struck out 31% of his opponents. Over his career before last year, he struck out 15% of his opponents. Even as a reliever, he was at 20%. Hand, like Buchter, is a lefty, and he just dominated lefties, but look at that red line above. Hand figured out how to strike out righties, too, and for that he has a new breaking ball to thank. Here’s the new Brad Hand slider:

I don’t know if that looks familiar, visually. But here’s a pitch comparison that’ll open your eyes:

A 2016 Pitcher Comparison
Pitcher Four-Seam% Velo H-Mov V-Mov Slider% Velo H-Mov V-Mov
Andrew Miller 39% 95.5 6.1 8.0 61% 84.6 -5.2 -2.0
Brad Hand 28% 93.9 7.4 8.5 31% 83.9 -5.1 -0.5
SOURCE: Brooks Baseball

Hand’s percentages don’t add up to 100% because he threw other pitches, too, but by speed and shape, he threw pitches that looked a lot like Andrew Miller’s pitches. Miller’s fastball is a little bit quicker, and his slider has a little more drop, but that’s a hell of a comparison. Hand’s new slider looks similar to the pitch that turned Andrew Miller into Andrew Miller, and his slider control isn’t so bad:

Miller has gotten more comfortable with his slider each year, going from 39% usage in 2012 to 61% usage in 2016. Hand might benefit from a similar increase. He threw less than 30% sliders last year in the first half, but over the final month his usage shot up past 40%, and he had three walks and 26 strikeouts to show for it. Count Brad Hand as a breakout pitcher who could continue to improve.

Taken together, the Padres could have plenty to dangle. There’s some risk, because every pitcher still needs to survive spring training and another three or four months, but Capps could be one of the best strikeout arms in the game, while Buchter and Hand could be among the premier strikeout southpaws. Of those two, Hand might even take another step forward, given the similarities he shares with Andrew Miller. Almost every contending team in baseball would be interested in any of these pitchers, and prospects can get moved in a hurry in July. Sure, that would subtract from the Padres’ present bullpen. The Brewers’ bullpen doesn’t look so great right now itself. But the Brewers are thankful for having seized the opportunities they had. The Padres might be next. Their farm system is already strong, but it could and should get only stronger.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Sean HuffMember since 2020
9 years ago

If he replicates his 2015 numbers over a larger sample, is Capps the best RP in baseball? I think he is, but that article was refuted by most.

careaganMember since 2017
9 years ago

I’m intrigued by Preller’s approach to his job (apart from his fraudulent abuse of information asymmetry). It seems he got hired in part by promising ownership he would “go for it”. He clearly failed in doing so as most analysts predicted he would, and lost a couple of all-star caliber players (Turner, Grandal) in the process. But acquiring and then flipping either “name” players or players with low acquisition cost have made the Padres net winners in quite a few trades. He got Kimbrel for less by acquiring a negative asset in Upton, and then turned around and flipped Kimbrel for a premium package while also getting a positive return for the resurgent Upton. James Shields was a borderline negative asset when he was traded to Chicago, but the gamble on a volatile young talent in Tatis Jr. appears to be paying off. Preller got these three relievers as either throw-ins or waiver claims, and is poised to turn them into positive value as well. It remains to be seen whether this will add up to a competitive big league roster but this rebuild strategy seems a lot more fun than whatever the Padres had going on from 2010-2014.

johansantana17Member since 2026
9 years ago
Reply to  careagan

Preller’s attempt at contending was bad, but his attempt at rebuilding looks nearly equally as good, at least so far.

mattMember since 2023
9 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

The kemp trade was at least 90% ownership

wily moMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  careagan

this is just a quibble, but was the eventual return for the resurgent upton actually positive? they ate most of his remaining money in exchange for one low-level prospect whose name escapes me. i still don’t really understand the point of that deal, except that the padres must have just wanted to free up the OF playing time for all the prospects they have coming up out there, which does make sense.

roydjtMember since 2018
9 years ago
Reply to  wily mo

You can’t consider Melvin Upton without remembering that he was included in the Kimbrel deal, and Kimbrel netted four nice prospects. The player traded from the Jays to the Padres for Upton was Hansel Rodriguez, who is a 19-year-old project.

The eventual net result of the trade from the Padres perspective is something like this: they traded away Carlos Quentin, Cameron Maybin, Matt Wisler, Jordan Paroubeck, and the 41st pick (plus some cash) for Manuel Margot, Carlos Asuaje, Logan Allen, Javier Guerra, and Hansel Rodriguez.

realitypolice
9 years ago
Reply to  wily mo

The money they ate on Upton’s contract was, in part, offset by the Quentin and Maybin contracts they moved to the Braves in that original deal.

JUICEMANE
9 years ago
Reply to  careagan

“It seems he got hired in part by promising ownership he would ‘go for it.'”

“It seems..” huh…well this is completely wrong.

There was pressure from ownership to “go for it.”

Preller did not get his job by saying he would “go for it.”

Funny how something completely false could get so many “thumbs ups” on a site that’s namesake implies looking at hard evidence…where are the Fangraphs police when you need them?

careaganMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  JUICEMANE

“In the interview process, Preller was the “difference maker” among the candidates, when it came to deciding who would be the best at bringing “impact talent, championship-level talent” to the organization, Dee said.”

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/11317413/san-diego-padres-hire-aj-preller-general-manager

“I told him I’d meet him one last time, just as a kind of courtesy, because he was so good throughout the process,” Dee said. “He basically blew me away. When I said, if we don’t go with you because of this concern or that concern, he was just like an attorney cross-examining. He basically mitigated every concern.”

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/sdut-padres-mike-dee-hired-preller-2016mar21-story.html

These quotes go to what I meant here; I agree ownership probably wanted to go for it, but Preller was the candidate willing to indulge that desire. It’s not explicit that Preller said he would go for it, that’s why I said “seems.” My comment was an expression of my opinions on the Padres rebuild, I never said I was any authority. Hopefully the Fangraphs police, judge, and jury will understand.

JUICEMANE
9 years ago
Reply to  careagan

AJ Cassavell the Padres beat writer, he is in the clubhouse almost everyday, said it was pressure from ownership and Preller wanted to build the farm system “his way.” The farm system is light years better than it was when he took over btw.

Your first comment was basically reporting “fake news”

Its a logical fallacy called “begging the question”…

Tanned Tom
9 years ago
Reply to  careagan

I think his moves in the 2014-2015 off-season were mostly a result of his dissatisfaction with the milb talent in the system. My theory is that he reasoned he could trade prospects for proven talent and then trade that proven talent for better prospects if the 2015 team tanked. And even if the talent declined, as Kemp and Shields did. Key to this was feeling he was a better judge of talent than others, and that he could find a way to unload players who underachieved. Trading Kemp, Shields and Derek Norris for anything was a string of unexpected successes, with last year’s swap of Yonder Alonso (who was going to be non-tendered) for a higher ceilinged player in Drew Pomeranz, who was then flipped after half a season for still higher ceilinged player in Anderson Espinoza, a signature move for this G.M.

Sometimes you’re gonna whiff on these types of moves, I for one would love to have the Turner/Ross deal for Myers back, but otherwise it seems he’s very much gotten the better of it.

Barney Coolio
9 years ago

Do people other than baseball players ever get Tommy John surgery? Do random, everyday, non-baseball players ever damage their elbows and need it. Does this procedure exist in Europe?

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

Good question. Also is throwing a football that much easier? How come QBs never have it? These days they throw 40 passes a week, and usually are throwing a couple hundred passes a week in practice also. And before you say anything about velocity, they are throwing close to 90mph

jdbolickMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  carter

Quarterbacks are not throwing anything even remotely close to 90mph, as the combine record for pass velocity is just 60 mph. They also throw much less frequently than pitchers and the throwing motion produces much less torque on the elbow.

cs3
9 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Carter,
Before we even get into the mechanics of a football vs baseball throw, think about it logically for just a split second. A Qb makes 40 throws (according to you) 16 times per year, or ~640 total.
A baseball pitcher makes 100 throws, 32 times per year, or ~3200 total.
Anything jump out at you?

vaakintolaMember since 2024
9 years ago

the brewers didn’t get anything good for thornburg and jeffress was more of a tag along so idk if that makes your point strong.

Dooduh
9 years ago
Reply to  vaakintola

Dubon is prob a borderline top 100 prospect; Pennington supposedly throws 98; and Shaw will be the Brewers starting 3Bman. I think that’s a pretty solid return.

bunslow
9 years ago

That video has a terrible camera angle, probably makes it harder to visually compare the pitches

ziprelMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  bunslow

Sullivan just put it in to show that Hand putting away the Belt

Dooduh
9 years ago
Reply to  bunslow

This.

Conrad ParrishMember since 2020
9 years ago

Dreaming on Victor Robles…

Dooduh
9 years ago

Maurer may be no less marketable than the other three, and also controllable thru 2019.