The Reason to Believe in Chase Utley

There are three reasons to be interested in Chase Utley as a baseball player. One, there’s his whole history. Utley’s track record of being one of the best second basemen in baseball. If his career ended today, he’d be a borderline Hall-of-Famer. Two, he’s available. The Giants are reportedly in negotiations, with the Phillies looking to keep getting younger. If you want Utley, you can have him, provided you give a little something, and provided Utley is open to the chance. Three, this:

Utley’s numbers this year are very bad. He’s not one to typically offer excuses, but Utley injured his right ankle over the winter, and it never really got quite right. Lousy on-field performance followed, and then Utley went to the disabled list for a while. There’s no positive evaluation of what Utley’s been. The Giants are presumably thinking about what Utley might be now. They’d only be interested if they thought that Utley was better. His numbers since returning from the DL the other day are better. Small-sample numbers mean only so much, though. The numbers aren’t the encouraging thing. The swing is the encouraging thing.

Below, two swings — one from a home run against the Marlins in May, and one from a double against the Padres last weekend. No, of course not everything can be controlled for. And two swings might not be representative. That’s the hazard of not being able to evaluate every single swing by some means. But I did watch a bunch of other swings, outside of just these. These aren’t weird, isolated instances. Here’s the home-run swing:

Here’s the double swing:

You might easily be able to spot some differences. Probably depends on how much time you spend looking at swings. Utley figures he was able to correct a problem that seeped into his muscle memory because of the ankle discomfort. Pretty frequently, injuries have mechanical effects, as bodies attempt to compensate for pain. It’s easy to dismiss these things; players are always trying mechanical tweaks, and they’re not always the answer. Sometimes bad is just bad. But when there’s an injury, and a track record of good performance, I think it’s worth thinking about. And here, let’s examine a few screenshots. Sure enough, the double swing is different from the home-run swing, and it’s better, too, despite going for half the total bases.

Here’s Utley getting his front foot down, before going deep:

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It’s easiest to analyze by way of comparison, so here’s Utley getting his front foot down, before doubling:

utley-after-1

If you look at the .gif for the home-run swing, you might notice Utley’s front foot behaving oddly. That’s the hurt one. During the step, it sort of cuts itself off. In these screenshots, I want you to look at Utley’s knees. In the first image, look at how the knees are bent. Weight is back, and momentum is back. The knees are bent toward the right side of the image. In the lower picture, the bend is different. Now the back leg is bent inward. The front knee is bent more forward. In the first swing, there’s not much momentum building from the lower body; the second one looks more natural.

Moving ahead, here’s contact:

utley-before-2

utley-after-2

Obviously, the contact in both cases was good. But the home-run contact came almost exclusively from the upper body. It might be most helpful here to compare the stripe going down Utley’s left leg. Above, the leg is bent at less of an angle, and we’re not looking at the stripe right on. His left hip still isn’t pointing at the camera. In the second picture, we’re looking at the hip, with the hips about perpendicular to our view. Put another way, the second swing shows more full, natural rotation, which might also be seen in the shoulders. In the first swing, even though Utley went deep, he sort of cut himself off. The swing was all arms.

And, post-contact:

utley-before-3

utley-after-3

Just more evidence of the different rotation. In the first image, Utley’s belt buckle might be facing the pitcher; in the second, it might be facing the second baseman. In the second image, you can see more of Utley’s back, while above his shoulders are roughly perpendicular to us. And you can also see something in Utley’s front foot — in the double swing, the foot is slightly rolled over, whereas in the home run it’s perfectly flat. The double simply included more lower-body force transfer. More energy went toward the front foot, and Utley was able to swing more or less like himself.

That’s the gist of it. Before going on the DL, Utley was experiencing discomfort, and it could’ve reduced the involvement of his lower body in his swing. It wasn’t always the case:

…but it was often the case, and few and far between are the hitters who can get by and succeed swinging all-arm. Pretty much every hitter needs a strong base, and while a weaker lower body didn’t hurt Utley’s ability to recognize pitches and make contact, it looks like it could’ve been responsible for the weak contact quality. If you believe that Utley feels better now, and if you believe that he’s gotten back to his familiar mechanics, you might be inclined to just throw his whole first half out. And before the year started, Utley was projected as a 3-win player. If he has his lower body, maybe he’s still about that good.

For whatever it’s worth, before going on the DL, Utley had an average batted-ball speed of 88 miles per hour, ranking him in the lower half. Since returning, over that small sample, Utley’s at exactly 95, ranking him 15th, between Evan Longoria and Adrian Gonzalez. So maybe it’s about video *and* numbers. Video backs up what the numbers are saying.

I know that I tend to see the best in things, and I might be over-eager to believe in a player’s recovery. I know that Utley still hasn’t proven very much on this side of the DL stint, and his first half was really bad. But I do like what I see in his swing. Maybe more importantly, Chase Utley likes what he sees in his swing. And this is Chase freakin Utley we’re talking about. I believe that he can help someone now. And so I have to believe he can help someone beyond that. This career isn’t necessarily finished.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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David G
10 years ago

Was Utley’s swing also affected retroactively by the ankle injury in the second half of 2014?

Richard
10 years ago
Reply to  David G

Clever.

durn
10 years ago
Reply to  David G

No, that was being 35 years old and an everyday infielder with a history of bad knees.

durn
10 years ago

This first half was the most bizarre thing ever. We’re used to seeing Utley hit maybe .250 or something but his complete ineptitude was astounding. If he was favoring his ankle and now isn’t, I bet he could get a team for sure.

Ted
10 years ago

Would love to see Jays pick him up. Maybe I am a being greedy but with Travis not back until September, Utley would be a bit of insurance.

Adam
10 years ago

Outstanding article. Chase is extremely under appreciated, underrated and undervalued by injury-plagued numbers. Is Chase an everyday player anymore? No. We all saw what happened last August-september. His legs were completely gone. I do think Chase would be capable of 500 ABs, or 135-140 games. Unfortunately, years of being the number one hardest hustling, body sacrificing players I’ve ever seen in my life has caught up with him, although he continues to sacrifice the body on the field. It is still obvious though that Chase no longer has the leg strength to hit for power, but given his record, I’d have him on my team.

One other piece of video that would be interesting to see is the change in Chase’s batting stance and distance he stands from the plate. This year and last year Chase struggled with the outside pitch. I think the combo of struggling with outside pitches and his legs is the culprit.

Well done, fangraphs.

channelclemente
10 years ago
Reply to  Adam

Big Utley fan here in the Bay Area.

Greg
10 years ago

HOF? Yes.

mlmorgen
10 years ago
Reply to  Greg

Sure, after Bobby Grich gets elected.

Cool Lester Smooth
10 years ago

Here’s hoping he’s really back. I want him to get to ~65 WAR or so before he retires, so that he has a decent shot.

state the obvious
10 years ago

Mark beuhrle h.o.f?

Cool Lester Smooth
10 years ago

Buehrle’s more HOVG, unless he keeps pitching like this for another 5-7 years. Pitchers have a higher bar to clear than second basemen, and Buehrle doesn’t really have the peak.

He’s in the Andy Pettitte category.

Utley’s already in the Gordon/Sandberg/Randolph category, but with a better peak. If he gets up to ~65 WAR, he’ll be right at the Biggio/Alomar level.

olethros
10 years ago

Buehrle’s currently #77 in pitcher WAR at 51.7, not that far off of HOF conversation. While he’s never been the lights out dominant guy like peak Pedro, his consistency and longevity should add to his case. 200+ IP for 15 straight years is astonishing.

Cool Lester Smooth
10 years ago

Yeah, like I said: Buehrle’s in the Andy Pettitte category of “very, very good #2…but probably shouldn’t be in the HOF.”

The average HOF pitcher has 73 rWAR. A compiler without much of a peak, like Buehrle or Pettitte, probably needs to be in the ~80 range.

Dan
10 years ago

Buehrle’s at 62 RA/9 WAR which is probably more representative of his true talent level.

Cool Lester Smooth
10 years ago

Yeah, so he needs another 10 WAR to be an average HOF based on compilation, but then he’ll need even more to make up for the fact that he didn’t really have a dominant peak.

He’s still 14 JAWS short of the average HOF starter.

vivalajeter
10 years ago

I agree that he’s in the Very Good category. One criteria that some of the old school voters is simply “did he seem like a Hall of Famer?” I don’t know anybody that watched Buehrle pitch and thought that they were watching a Hall of Famer. He’s one of those guys that you look at his stats and say “holy shit, how did that happen?”.

He’s had a terrific career, and his longevity is outstanding. 200+ innings every year, about 12-15 wins every year, and ERA under 4 just about every year – all without striking people out. But he never seemed like a Hall of Famer, and I think that might impact some voters because of how many other great candidates are in the pipeline.

Andrew
10 years ago

As a Phillies fan, I’d love to see Utley make the HOF, but I don’t think he has a real shot of getting in. Doesn’t have the traditional stats that BBWAA values and a lot of his value comes from defense and base running. His peak alone makes him at least a borderline HOFer.

Cool Lester Smooth
10 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

2Bs aren’t corner outfielders. The writers care about defense and baserunning. Not to mention that, by the time Utley’s name comes up, several more SABR guys like Cameron will get their BBWAA voting credentials like Cameron has (and presumably some of the older generation will no longer be voting).

Right now, he’s essentially tied with Joe Gordon and Ryne Sandberg as the 14th best 2B of all time (with an identical peak to Gordon, and a better one than Sanberg), and his raw triple slash is sexier than either of theirs.

With a couple more decent years, he’ll crack 250 HRs and get into the Biggio/Alomar 65 WAR range, without Alomar’s “spitting on an umpire” incident, or Biggio’s reputation for being a compiler and an all-around asshole. He should make it within his first five years on the ballot, in that case.

Jason B
10 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

^^This. Given that clear-cut HOF’ers like Piazza and Bagwell are struggling to gain entry (although both likely will), I don’t think Utley has much of a shot.

(Of course there are “mitigating factors” – unsubstantiated steroid whispers – that complicate Bagwell’s and Thomas’s cases. Nevertheless.)

Cool Lester Smooth
10 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Some people think Bagwell used, because he bulked up a bunch during the 90s (even though a guy bulking up between the ages of 23 and 27 shouldn’t really be all that surprising).

Everyone thinks Piazza used, including a shitload of players who played with and against him in the minors, because he went from looking like this:
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And hitting .257/.296/.412 in A-ball (with more than half that time spent in the California League) at the ages of 20 and 21
To looking like this:
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and hitting .318/.370/.561 in the Majors at the age of 24.

Also, Piazza was a dick, which may matter even more than the steroid allegations to a bunch of these writers.

No one thinks Utley used, and old school guys love him as much as they do David Eckstein.

I’d be much more worried about Rolen than Utley, especially if Chase gets to 65 WAR and 250 HRs.

vivalajeter
10 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

You can really reverse your argument and make it just as convincing though, Lester. Bagwell wasn’t exactly a beast in the minors when he was 20. This is him at 22 – still not a very large man:
http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/64068/64068-30Fr.jpg

He hit 2 HR his first year, with an ISO just north of .100. His overall numbers were good because of his walks and singles, but even as a catcher, Piazza showed much more power than Bagwell when they were right around drinking age.

As a 22 year old in AA, Bagwell hit 7 HR with a .124 ISO in a full season. By comparison, Piazza (only in A+ ball) hit 277/344/540. He demolished AA/AAA the following year (1.000 OPS). Piazza’s only black mark was a half season of .670 OPS as a 21 year old in A+ ball.

The ‘suspicions’ are pretty comparable for both of them, and I’m not sure why you think it’s unsurprising to bulk up between 23 and 27, but it’s alarming to bulk up between 20 and 25 (or however old Piazza was in that second picture). I find it hard to believe that people would think one of them was much more likely than the other to have been a user.

Cool Lester Smooth
10 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Part of it, again, is that Piazza’s a dick, while people liked Bagwell.

The other part is the raging Backne, and the fact that he apparently admitted to using them “occasionally” off the record, before it became a big deal.

Wobatus
10 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Piazza was a dick? Never heard that.

Adam
10 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

Don’t forget that Utley’s stats up through his age 30 season were among the best in history in many categories for second basemen. Despite having injuries and chronic knee issues, he still at 36 is far better than his numbers say. I agree, if Chase gets to 65 WAR, 2,000 hits and 250 homers in his final 2-3 seasons, I think he will get in. Let’s not forget he has a ring and a well known reputation as a badass on the field, Ty Cobb-like. That oughta factor in!

Jerry G
10 years ago

Utley stopped packing his lip with tobacco,
Simple solution to his swing…

Sam Bauman
10 years ago

Great article. Truly a convincing piece on how Utley may strike back the rest of this season. The two swings here are drastically different.

Matt
10 years ago

This makes a lot of sense. Considering that even with his poor second half (Utley has always performed worse in the second half throughout his career, though), he was a very productive player last year, seeing him completely fall off a cliff this year was odd. Hoping he continues to play well. As others have stated, I’d like to see him have another decent year or two so he has a better shot at the Hall. Between his relatively late start to his career and the injuries he’s had, his career numbers kind of understate just how great he’s been throughout his career. I really think he’s a deserving player of the hall, there was a stretch where he was pretty much the best player in baseball, aside from maybe Albert Pujols. It’s kind of a joke that Howard and ROllins both won MVP awards and Utley never really came close.

durn
10 years ago
Reply to  Matt

I agree. He was never considered the best player on the team because he never hit for more power than Howard and did his defensive word at 2B and not SS, which people didn’t really notice or respect.

Joe
10 years ago

The angles on the two gifs are different, leading to a lot of these perceived differences. the double swing angle is essentially perpendicular to utleys stance, while the homerun swing is from closer to the foul line.

he still is definitely using his lower body more

Spa City
10 years ago

When Sweet Lou Whitaker is in the Hall, I will be open to arguments that Utley should be there as well. Until then, if the bar is too high for Lou, it is also too high for Chase.

Cool Lester Smooth
10 years ago
Reply to  Spa City

So you were also against Biggio and Alomar’s making it, right?

Lou (like Trammell) absolutely deserves to make the Hall…but he was markedly worse than Utley offensively, defensively and on the basepaths.

His peak isn’t anywhere close, either.

The only thing Lou has going for him over Utley is that he became a full time player at 21 rather than 26, so he’s got 800 more games.

dave
10 years ago

I’m a life-long Phillies fan, I love Utley, I don’t know if the defensive metrics suggest he’s a great defensive second baseman I think his defense has been drastically overrated. He was never more than an average defender.

Jimmy Rollins though, he was elite. Exhausted by arguing the defensive merits of Rollins v. Jeter with my Yankees friends.

Lauren
10 years ago

GREAT breakdown & comparison! It’s clear that something is different since Utley’s return from the DL, but this article points out exactly what that “something” is. Thanks so much!