The Toronto Blue Jays Are Now Happless
A day after Boston added starting-pitch depth from the Rays in the form Nate Eovaldi, the Yankees have followed suit this afternoon with another AL East team, acquiring left-hander J.A. Happ from Toronto in exchange for infielder Brandon Drury and outfielder Billy McKinney.
While this trade doesn’t preclude the Yankees from making a splashier acquisition for a starting pitcher, it wouldn’t surprise me if Happ is the only significant addition to the New York rotation. The team’s been linked to Cole Hamels in recent weeks, but that seems a curiously unsatisfying acquisition from New York’s perspective. At this point, Hamels’ reputation is still mostly derived from what he did in Philadelphia and, after a so-so 2017, he’s been hit hard and often in 2018. It’s tempting to disregard the inflated HR/FB rate as a fluke, but his 44.9% hard-hit rate this year is the second-highest among qualifiers — this after he set a career high in 2017. Now, that’s not enough to doom a pitcher by itself — Zack Greinke and Patrick Corbin are up there too and having fine seasons — but it does lend support to the notion that his homers allowed aren’t flukes.
Getting hit hard is a risk in Yankee Stadium, and the point of these types of deadline trades isn’t to maximize upside but rather to find some certainty. No, Happ wasn’t really the sixth-best starter in his 20-4, 3.18 ERA Cy Young-contending year in 2015, but he’s also a fairly safe pitcher at this point, one who has already been playing in the AL East and experienced plenty of success. The Yankees aren’t trying to make a David Price or a Johnny Cueto trade here; rather, they’re looking for someone more dependable than Sonny Gray to slot after Luis Severino, Masahiro Tanaka, and CC Sabathia down the stretch. Fourth starters do tend to make an appearance in the playoffs and, should the Yankees reach the ALDS — which our odds says isn’t about 70% likely to occure — it’s difficult to imagine they’d be comfortable turning to Gray, who has failed to complete the fifth inning in seven of his 19 starters in 2018. And with it looking more and more likely the Yankees are the first Wild Card rather than the AL East winner, that extra Wild Card game means they’re even more likely to require the services of that fourth starter.
In the ZiPS playoff odds, the addition of Happ to the rotation boosts the team by about a win over the course the rest of the season, moving their divisional odds from 23% to 28% in the projections. ZiPS believe the Yankees are a slightly better team than the Red Sox, but the 5.5 games baked into the cake, so to speak, are telling here. This is more a depth move for the Yankees than something intended to upend any playoff scenarios.
And the truth is, the Yankees aren’t paying for Happ as if this were a move intended to cannonball into the playoff pool. Brandon Drury’s potential role disappeared once the Yankees were happy with the readiness of Gleyber Torres and Miguel Andujar. While Drury has played all but catcher and center field at some point, he doesn’t really have that much defensive versatility because he’s below-average defensively at the positions where flexibility is most important. Were he a better second or third baseman, there’s always the chance he becomes Ben Zobrist, but I’m not seeing it here. If Andujar or Torres were to get injured, I’d honestly be more comfortable with Ronald Torreyes as a short-term candidate with better defense, and with the team still employing Neil Walker for reasons that completely escape me, Drury just had no real upside in New York.
What I don’t quite understand is the Blue Jay’s side of this trade. I’m at the point where I feel time has run out on this core. Even assuming that Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and Bo Bichette work out wonderfully, there are too many organizational holes/questions to just hunker down until the prospects arrive. Working under that assumption, it’s a challenge to see why the team would be all that interested in Drury or McKinney, both who are better depth pieces for a contending team in the next couple of years. I understand that two months of J.A. Happ’s services isn’t going to fetch a bevy of top prospects — and while the Blue Jays didn’t really lose from a pure value standpoint — I’m not quite sure how this value is determined. I’d much rather get a couple of lottery-pick prospects from deep in the Yankees depth chart than safer high-floor, no-ceiling picks. I thought the haul from the Oh trade was excellent for what the team gave up, but I’m scratching my head a bit here; if Drury actually ends up being a Josh Donaldson replacement in 2019, then the Blue Jays have probably lost enough wins that it doesn’t matter who plays third base.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | .254 | .318 | .395 | 433 | 48 | 110 | 26 | 1 | 11 | 55 | 37 | 103 | 1 | 91 | -5 | 0.7 |
| 2020 | .254 | .320 | .401 | 414 | 46 | 105 | 26 | 1 | 11 | 54 | 37 | 100 | 1 | 93 | -5 | 0.7 |
| 2021 | .251 | .318 | .412 | 362 | 41 | 91 | 23 | 1 | 11 | 48 | 33 | 89 | 1 | 95 | -5 | 0.6 |
| 2022 | .255 | .323 | .407 | 361 | 41 | 92 | 23 | 1 | 10 | 48 | 33 | 84 | 1 | 95 | -6 | 0.6 |
As for Billy McKinney, this is the third even-year deadline trade of which he’s been a part, previously in blockbusters for Jeff Samardzija and Aroldis Chapman. A lot of the shine has come off McKinney’s prospect luster, and even if it’s not the Pacific Coast League, a .230/.307/.481 line in the minors this year isn’t moving him back up the prospect rankings down which he’s been sliding on a yearly basis. He’s close enough to the majors and displays enough power that I think he’ll have some kind of MLB career, reasonable upside being that he hits enough homers for a few years to get a starting job for a while, like Adam Duvall or Scott Schebler.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | .249 | .313 | .450 | 398 | 50 | 99 | 21 | 7 | 15 | 54 | 34 | 101 | 2 | 102 | 2 | 1.2 |
| 2020 | .247 | .315 | .469 | 388 | 50 | 96 | 22 | 8 | 16 | 55 | 35 | 103 | 2 | 107 | 1 | 1.3 |
| 2021 | .247 | .318 | .464 | 388 | 51 | 96 | 22 | 7 | 16 | 56 | 37 | 108 | 1 | 107 | 1 | 1.3 |
| 2022 | .244 | .319 | .470 | 385 | 51 | 94 | 22 | 7 | 17 | 56 | 39 | 110 | 1 | 109 | 0 | 1.3 |
| 2023 | .242 | .318 | .460 | 376 | 50 | 91 | 22 | 6 | 16 | 54 | 38 | 107 | 1 | 106 | 0 | 1.1 |
| 2024 | .245 | .320 | .459 | 364 | 48 | 89 | 21 | 6 | 15 | 51 | 37 | 99 | 1 | 107 | 0 | 1.1 |
All-in-all, the Yankees paid a fair amount in value for a J.A. Happ rental, I just feel the Blue Jays would have been better served to get that value in a different configuration. But perhaps this tells us that the Blue Jays may in fact be more interested in a short-term retool rather than the full-on rebuild?
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
In reference to the headline … *groan*
It must be so Drury going through life hating shitty puns.
…*self-groan*
Personally, I was just hoping that the Yankees would trade for Soria, so that they’d complete the trifecta of “Judge, Drury, and Mexecutioner”
I agree with the conclusion. It seems the jays don’t want to face losing 90-100 games. Depth has been the defining priority of this front office. I guess they figure you always want to be able to win 80 games and if some things go right you’re in a wild card race.
Look at the Rays: Fielding a team of 1-2 WAR players and platooning / bullpen matchup-ing like crazy is getting them to .500 on zero budget. If you develop one or two stars to complement a modest and dirt cheap core like that you can hit on some 85-95 win years and sneak into the playoffs. In theory the Jays also actually run a large enough payroll to make the occasional FA splash which gives this plan a higher margin of error. Plus it’s the cheapest way to stay respectable while semi-punting the next 2-3 years where the Yanks and Sox look really loaded.
Toronto/Canada is weird when it comes to baseball. The Jays get a ton of attention (they own the biggest sports network in Canada) but the fanbase is pretty…..casual would be the nicest way of putting it 😉
Anything less than being one of the best teams in baseball and interest for the Jays goes waaaaay down and the overreacting starts. During the JP Riccardi years the jays were consistently in the mid 80’s for wins and dishing out huge contracts and yet jays fans refer to that time period like they were the 2003 Tigers. They complain about Rogers being cheap and a terrible owner (even though they objectively are not) when the Jays only win 86 games. Losing 100 games would be Armageddon in Toronto and I think the team knows it.
I miss AA.
Walker is there for depth, and allows them to make a trade like this. He’s not a starter but if an infielder gets hurt they’re looking for a Neil Walker. I hope that reason doesn’t completely escape you
I don’t think anybody’s looking for 2018 Neil Walker. I think Torreyes and Drury are both better players right now. Nobody was calling Walker last winter *before* he put up a sub-.600 OPS this year.
I though it was because Walker was looking for something like $13M a year on a multi-year deal. I’m sure if he put himself out there for $4m for one year to start with, he would have had a ton of interest. He’s been awful, sure, but 1 bad half-season doesn’t offset the however-many consecutive 2+ WAR seasons he had. If a contender needs a 2B (he’s iffy at 3B) they could do much much worse.
As a back up switch hitting infielder that can play multiple positions? sure they are. he’d be picked up.
He’s batting .293/.400/.439 in the month of july Dan
Haven’t we been trained to look at the projection rather than simply looking at YTD numbers?
Walker was an above average hitter every year from 2010-2017, and both Zips & Steamer project him to be an above average hitter for the rest of the season. He has been terrific in July, as well.
He’s a switch hitter than can play passable (but below average) defense at multiple infield positions. With the prevalence of shifting, 2B defense is probably less important than it was in years past.
I wouldn’t sign him to a 3-year deal, but he’s a useful player to have around.
Agreed. Very happy with him as a backup. At the very least I’ve been impressed with a number of his at-bats. He’s had some very key walks. I can’t think of a backup 2B I’d take over him given his track record.
Walker is there to offset salary if they have another move.
Maybe the prospect packages were so underwhelming that they decided to take Drury, simply because it was more overall value than other packages? And they’ll try to flip him for better prospects than Happ was going to bring?
Apparently they were asking for Clint Frazier, and after that their asking price dropped significantly. That should give you an idea of what kind of prospect packages they were getting.
Meanwhile McKinney is now with his 4th organization. Does Vegas have odds on who he’ll get traded to next???
It’ll be in 2020 and it will be from a contending Jays team to a non-contender at the deadline. Its the only way i see this trade making sense, the fact that getting McKinney guarantees a contending Jays team in 2 years…..
The most shocking thing about the whole Happ trade is that I have learned that apparently you pronouce “J.A.” like “Jay”: https://nypost.com/2018/07/26/you-might-be-mispronouncing-j-a-happs-first-name/
Yeah, that drives me nuts. So does David Jonathan “J.D.” Drew.
I’m with Z here. I hate what the Blue Jays were doing, even though I think Drury is a player. I think it was Travis who pointed out their next core was going to hit in 2020 and they need to be finding pieces with more control than Drury has.
Maybe they extend Drury and he becomes part of that core, but I can’t imagine this was a better idea than getting some prospects from another team (or, frankly, some other guys from the Yankees).
I think Drury is a lottery ticket of his own in a way. He has the floor of a part-time major league infielder, so at least he has *some* value to the Jays over the course of his remaining control. But if things break right, maybe he puts up a 20 HR, .270 season while not sucking terribly at 2B. The Jays could almost surely flip him for more than they just gave up for him.
Maybe that doesn’t happen, but they have the next 3 years to find out.
I can’t say I think that’s too likely. The guy is entering arbitration next year. He’s had one league-average year of wRC+, one year at 92, and the rest pretty bad. He isn’t a plus defender at either 2nd or 3rd (and may only be passable at 3rd). He’s a bad baserunner, and was only valuable to the Yankees because he was cheap (and wouldn’t push them over the luxury tax) and could play both 3rd and 2nd. And if he is only a part-time player, he’s on the wrong side of the platoon. He is, essentially, a less versatile Yangervis Solarte. Who they already had.
He’s been injured and consistent and has gotten really inconsistent at bats. He also worked w Jd Martinez hitting coach and has had some at bats where he looks like he could be on the verge of breaking out. Inconsistent playing time is very tough, especially on younger guys since they press. I would not be shocked if we look at him in a few years and hes a 120 wRC+ DH., which I guess all things considered isn’t really that valuable
I was hoping Jays would take on Walker inHapp trade to get Loaisiga and Austin. With Drury Jays can move Solarte with Clippard or Axford and get something interesting.
Interestingly, just saw Cashman talking about how this was the Jays’ asking price for a few days, and he was reluctant to meet it. Today he finally did.
IMO, that’s ludicrous. Drury and McKinney had absolutely no value to the Yankees, being blocked by better players. Both need 40 man roster space, something the Yankees are going to have in short supply. And Happ was arguably the best player at their biggest position of need. This would seem like an absolute no-brainer for the Yankees. What else were they going to use them for, if not to pick up a #3 starter at the deadline?
Use them to *help* pick up a #1 starter like de Grom? Frankly, I don’t think Cashman ever even considered a realistic trade for such a talent. It would have given the Yanks three shots at the WS with Sevy and de Grom and Tanaka. That’s priceless. Andujar and a busload of prospects. Should have done it. Cashman either doesn’t know the competition he’s facing or he just doesn’t have any balls.
Cashman rappels off of a skyscraper every year during the holidays (as part of a charity event). He has balls.
The yankees need to compete constantly, so they need to be economical with their top prospects. yes syndergaard would improve their WS odds, but the paramount thing for cashman is to never miss the playoffs more than two years in a row or the media go nuts. even during the very smart mini rebuild many fans were pissed off.
He can do that one year, maybe two but certainly not 3-4 times in a row because it is NY.
a smaller market team would trade for syndergaard, try to compete for 3 years and then tank for 4 years to refill their prospects. even the cubs did that when they emptied their farm to strengthen their window which paid off.
but cashman can’t empty his farm to increase WS odds from 20 to 25% when this means he has to take a step back for a couple years.
of course he can’t just reach the PS and be ok with losing in the first round either but he has to be balanced between two goals to stay competetive all the time.
the yankees payroll can help him with this but as 2015 showed even they hit a wall at some point.
Drury’s 25, an average starter at multiple positions, and he’s apparently been dealing with vision problems his entire career to date.
Cash probably thought he merited Happ on his own, and would have preferred to keep McKinney as a future throw-in.
The Jays knew he could and would pay slightly more for than sticker price, though, and they got him to.
At first I thought the whole talk of the Orioles selling off at the deadline would be Mach Ado about nothing. They’ve always been a Brit on the conservative side about trading homegrown players, Whelp, it seems like they were Jonesing for a new direction. Once they Brach things off with their other short team relief assets, it’ll be about time they Schoop out interest in some of their more controllable players. Gaus, man wouldn’t it be something if the return on their two mid-rotation controllable starters brought back an A-Bundyance of prospect capital? I hope they can put aside their mis-Givens and do the right thing for the future of the team.
Orioles 2022!!!
Yeah, my first response was also confusion at why the Blue Jays would trade for right now players. But I think you’re being too critical of Drury and McKinney. Just looking at the projections, the Jays are getting 10 WAR, starting immediately, for about 1.5 WAR plus playoffs.
McKinney was a well-regarded prospect, then he got injured twice (including sort of a freak injury this year) and he’s had some bad BABIP luck this year, but outside of that he has continued to hit very well. Drury already looked like a fringey starter or good bench player BEFORE the Yankees found out about the migraine issues. Now that that’s been addressed somewhat, there’s clearly more upside there.
Hard to imagine someone playing at the ML level while battling migraines. I don’t know how Drury does or did it.
It’s not exciting, but if the Jays get 7 WAR from McKinney they’ll have done really well. I think they’ll trade Pillar and be happy with an extremely cheap OF of Teoscar/D. Smith/Grichuk/McKinney/Pompey. 3B/SS/C also have big time high-floor prospects ready to contribute and like 3 passable 2B’s. I think they’re gearing up to buy some pitching (which can be scary) and compete as soon as next year, without doing a true rebuild.
2018 wasn’t a true rebuild in the “don’t even try to win” sense, but they lost so much money from poor ticket sales and ad revenue that I don’t think ownership wants the losing to continue much longer.
by surplus value the jays certainly did that but how much is 7 war paid out in 1.2 win seasons worth if you have to compete with two top3 payroll teams in baseball who also happen to have a good young core.
to beat those teams the jays have to act smart but also hit the lottery with some guys and I don’t see those two being that.
besides bo and vlad the jays just lack upside in both the majors and their system.
That’s not true at all that the Jays lack upside in the majors and system. Jansen is looking like a pretty great C spec, Borucki has done well in his limited time in the majors as a starter, they’ve got SRF looking pretty good after a down year in AA last year. There’s a lot more upside to the Jays then you give them credit for. I could go on and list more names, but I think you get the point.
In fact, with a lot of $$ coming off the books by 2020 (Morales/Martin are gone and Tulo is 1 year away from a buyout), and several key prospects stepping up, they’ll be a very interesting team next year. I still think 2020/2021 is when they’ll be a strong team but they’ve got a hell of a lot more upside than you suggest.
There are few teams with less upside than the Jays, but ownership depends upon fans not recognizing that.
The Jays don’t have a single position player on its major league roster who is substantially better than replacement level. Not one. Only one is on pace for a 2 WAR year and that is Smoak, who will be a free agent after this year or next, depending upon if the team picks up his option.
Compare that to the competition:
Boston has Betts, Benintendi, Martinez, Bogaerts, Bradley and Devers.
NY has Judge, Stanton, Gregorious, Sanchez, Torres and Andujar
Houston has Correa, Bregman, Springer, Altuve and so much top talent at AAA and AA their minor league all star team would be better than the major league Blue Jays.
I like Borucki and think he was undervalued. Stroman, if he doesn’t implode, is a solid mid-rotation pitcher.
Alford and Jansen are good prospects. Reid-Foly has bounced back from a bad year though some scouts are skeptical he has the command to stick in a major league rotation any time soon.
The Jays have two of the better prospects in the game in Vlad and Bichette. After that, their minor league is average at best, is weak on starting pitchers, and that is not enough to compete for years with Boston, NY or Houston. Urena has been awful in AAA, Harris is a flyball pitcher who doesn’t strike out many batters. Pearson had his season lost to injury. Warmoth has been horrid in high-A ball. Riley Adams is struggling at the same level. Zeuch has pitched decently but doesn’t have much of a ceiling striking out fewer than 6 batters per 9 innings. McGuire has been ok but noting special in AAA. Samad Taylor has been so-so in A-ball. Pannone’s season has been lost mostly to a suspension. Tellez has rebounded buy scouts still question the lack of bat speed.
7 WAR over 6 seasons is worth about $70M at a cost of maybe $12M. So >$50M surplus value. WAR aren’t worth less just because there are two juggernauts in the same division.
“should the Yankees reach the ALDS — which our odds says isn’t about 70% likely to occure — ”
…What happened here?
The blue jays went for a lot of mlb ready or already mlb experienced assets (candelario, drury, mckinney, grichuk) who are kinda OK but with limited upside.
I would have liked a more full rebuild going for farther away higher upside prospects. I mean MLB depth is important but those 1.5 win players are not making them challenge the sox and yanks even if bichette and vlad become stars. I would liked them to try to collect 5-6 real stars (like the 2015 jays) because they probably can’t outspend the two big dogs even though their owner granted them very decent payrolls.
Candelario is a Tiger. You must mean Teoscar Hernandez.
The jays probably feel that Bo and vlad are enough to surround them with depth while still having stroman and ozuna on the pitching side. I don’t think this will work, this retooling with young mlb ready guys won’t deliver enough upside to help the big two prospects and this is only they they indeed both become 5 win players as the jays hope.
Good article and thanks for the playoff odds figures.
Agreed with all comments. FWIW, however, Gray is fairly consistent, he’s just been unlucky with ERA. This trade seems motivated by a regressive focus on ERA, with Gray above 5.00. Gray’s projection going forward is a FIP around 4.00. Happ’s is 3.90.
Both are better than Sabathia (4.50 FIP, projected for 4.50 going forward). Sabathia’s career ERA and FIP are roughly identical, but just as he has strung together a few seasons with an ERA over his FIP, he’s now in the midst of a nice run of a lower ERA. The Yankees seem set to foolishly give him a higher status in the playoff rotation than warranted, based on traditional things like ERA, name recognition, media narratives, etc.
I don’t think this trade had anything to do with Gray’s ERA. Montgomery is out for the season and they’ve been starting German (and now Cessa) every fifth day. They needed another starter. The playoff rotation will work itself out if they secure an ALDS berth.
Your focus on FIP is much more misleading than the ERAs here. Sabathia has been beating his FIP for three consecutive years, at least in part due to his ability to induce weak contact. Meanwhile, Gray is walking 4 per 9 and has looked every bit the part of a 5 ERA pitcher.
If you’re trying to say that Gray can turn his season around, I agree but the idea that Gray gives them a better chance to win a playoff game than CC right now is laughable.
It’s altogether possible that Toronto traded an expiring asset for two controllable decent Major League players. That’s not bad.
Not a fan of puns, but you nailed it here. I thought it said hopeless and didn’t bat an eye at that lol
Thank you! This was literally my view of this trade and I got a lot of arguments about how good Drury is and how he could become a solid MLB player. My view was “so what?”, the Jays should be shopping for high risk/high upside in every trade. I would’ve been a lot happier if they had traded for a handful of risky pitching arms with a chance for upside.