The Weird Thing About Hitting Yordano Ventura
Some months ago, we moved our internal communications platform from Yammer to Slack. That part shouldn’t interest you, but I just had to explain where this screenshot of a direct message came from:
August is a good guy. So who am I to deny his request?
I remember I first started thinking about the relationship between velocity and batted-ball angle during Michael Pineda’s rookie season. I was probably trying to explain a low home-run rate or something, and that’s when it came to me — Pineda threw hard, and because of his size, it looked like he threw even harder. Wouldn’t it make sense that hard throwers would be more difficult to pull? And it tends to be those pulled fly balls that do the most damage. As a pitcher, you want air balls going the other way. They frequently suck.
When I thought about this stuff back then, it was mostly theoretical. Didn’t have many numbers. We’ve come a long way. There is a relationship between angle and velocity. It’s not perfect, but it’s real, with the pattern you’d expect.
Below, a plot, of pull rate and average fastball velocity for pitchers who have thrown at least 200 innings over the past three calendar years.
It’s like you’d expect. It’s not dramatic, but, the harder a guy throws, the more infrequently he’s pulled. Some of this, presumably, is just having less time to react to the pitched baseballs. Faster velocity means a hitter has less time to get his bat to the zone. And some of this, presumably, is due to an altered approach. Against faster pitchers, hitters are more likely to cut down on their swings, to “take what they’re given.” You know those two-strike approaches people are always talking about? Sometimes hitters take two-strike approaches in any-strike counts against flamethrowers. Thing about velocity is you know which guys have it.
Let’s now go back to the point August raised. We’ve demonstrated an inverse relationship between average fastball velocity and pull rate. Yordano Ventura, as you know, is a freak. He’s a starting pitcher capable of throwing a ball a hundred miles per hour. This year, among qualified starters, Ventura has thrown the fastest average fastball, and that’s not an unexpected place for him to be. He also still ranks with baseball’s second-highest pull rate, between Jered Weaver and Jeremy Guthrie. To make matters less encouraging still, Ventura owns baseball’s lowest rate of softly-hit batted balls. Next-lowest is Colby Lewis, and he’s separated by a couple percentage points.
This is the strange thing. Based on how we’d think about velocity, you’d expect hitters against Ventura to go the other way, and maybe make weaker contact. It hasn’t been so. It especially hasn’t been so in 2015, but for the record, refer back to that plot above, covering three years. The green point second from the right is Ventura, and you can see that it’s well above the best-fit line. It’s counter-intuitive.
We’ve got information going back to 2002. That is, velocity information, and some batted-ball information. Let’s pretend the season were to end today. In that case, there would be 240 pitcher-seasons with at least 50 innings and an average fastball of at least 95. Out of that group, this year’s Ventura would have the highest pull rate. Higher than the average by about 14 percentage points.
Now, you know not all batted balls are the same. Not even all pulled batted balls. More often than not, you want pulled grounders. It’s the air balls that get you in trouble. Let’s isolate those, using Baseball Savant. For these purposes we’ll just split the field in half, such that a batted ball is either pulled or it isn’t. Against righties, Ventura has allowed an above-average rate of pulled air balls. Against lefties, he’s allowed an above-average rate of pulled air balls. Overall, his pulled-air-ball rate ranks fifth-highest out of 137. So this isn’t just about grounders. Batters have turned Ventura’s pitches around.
And they’ve done damage! Lefties in particular. When batters have pulled the ball against Ventura, they’ve slugged .573. When they haven’t pulled the ball (but did still hit the ball), they’ve slugged .354. Home runs tend to get pulled. Doubles and triples tend to get pulled. Pulled balls are hit harder. You understand how this works.
What we have: Ventura has been pulled unusually often. He’s allowed solid contact unusually often. What that means is that hitters have been taking unusually comfortable swings. Ventura’s rates are worse than they were a year ago, in this regard. Is there an explanation for this?
The one you always have to keep in mind is randomness. To some extent, random baseball is influencing our observations. When you see a stat, you want to think of it as representing true talent, but it’s really true talent + randomness (basically). Going beyond that, it’s worth pointing out that Ventura’s lost some heat. Oh, his other pitches are more or less the same, but his fastball is down a little more than a tick. He’s also thrown fewer four-seamers and more sinkers, meaning he’s been down in the zone more, and perhaps that’s another contributor.
There are other potential factors that, for the moment, are difficult to test. Ventura might fall into predictable sequences. He’s pitched behind more often than a year ago, so maybe hitters are hunting a little more. Command could obviously be one thing — Ventura has grooved a higher rate of pitches than ever. And then there’s perceived velocity. One day, Statcast might help us with this. For now, we’re just guessing, but Ventura is relatively small, so maybe he doesn’t get average extension toward the plate at release. That would make his fastball look slower, which might be a partial explanation. Not that you could ever work any mathematics such that his perceived velocity matched Weaver’s.
We’ve all been able to easily recognize that Ventura is impressive. Physically speaking, he’s blessed, and the stuff that he throws gives him an extraordinary ceiling. I think we’ve also seen that Ventura isn’t close to his ceiling quite yet. He doesn’t miss bats like you’d think, and he doesn’t control contact like you’d think. For two months, hitters have been surprisingly comfortable against Yordano Ventura. Even when he’s, you know, been mad at them. You can never predict when it’s going to click, but at least we know it hasn’t clicked yet.
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So would pitch location have anything to do with it? Not even sure of this, but it would stand to reason that pitches middle in get pulled more than pitches middle away, right? Is Yordano just not locating very well in the strike zone?
That appears to be exactly the case. http://www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=11855&position=P&ss=2015&se=2015&type=0&hand=R&count=all&blur=1&grid=10&view=pit
And it looks even worse when you remove the smoothing: http://www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=11855&position=P&ss=2015&se=2015&type=0&hand=R&count=all&blur=0&grid=10&view=pit
High-inside stuff is hard to pull because of jamming and effective velocity, but stuff that is only moderately high-inside is really easy to pull in the air. He’s also throwing almost nothing high-outside, which would explain why nothing is going in the air the other way.
Eh never mind. I didn’t real well enough. Upon re-reading, I see you mentioned command and the pitches he’s grooving. Just from the eye test as a Royals fan watching all of their games, it does seem like he’s throwing right down the heart a lot when he throws strikes. I bet that is a big part of this.
Great article Jeff, however, there might be another explanation. Was it Doug Thorburn who first talked and wrote about the difference between Ventura’s measured velocity and its difference to the “perceived” velocity? I remember that the perceived velocity was nowhere near Ventura’s release velocity (it was still in the mid-90’s, though), and Doug (?) attributed this to the relatively small step in Yordano’s deivery. I can’t find the piece right now, but maybe the hitters are earlier to the ball because they perceive the velocity to be lower
That is tucked into one of the paragraphs, but yeah, it’s worth more consideration, especially with his velocity slightly dropping.
When I saw this article I thought it was about him getting plunked in interleague play, and I got a teensy bit excited.
It is peculiar that a guy that throws heat like he does gets pulled that much. I would venture a guess that he has a pretty consistent release point since he hasn’t snapped his arm off, so it may be easier to see out of his hand than it is for say Aroldis Chapman.
This reads like evidence that he’s tipping his pitches.
Yeah, that was my initial thought along with predictable sequencing. If you believe a fastball is coming and you have the timing down, you can pull it fairly easily even in the mid to high 90s. It’s uncertainty that would delay reactions and therefore lead to fewer pulled balls.
He does tend to follow through differently on his fastball from his other pitches. Maybe there’s something prior to his release that hitters are able to pick up on?
I thought this was an article about interleague play, and him getting drilled by a fastball and got excited.
How are you guys liking slack though?
Was looking at Ventura’s stats a couple weeks ago and a couple things stood out:
– Despite the fastest FB (as you note), Ventura has the 45th best K%. Which just seems odd.
– NOBODY tries to steal on Ventura. Granted that’s partly Perez behind the pate but even amongst KC pitchers, his steal attempts are low. In 259 IP, there have only been 5 steal attempts against him and runners are only 1-5 against him. If he were a lefty, I could see that but as a righty he must have a hell of a pickoff move combined with a big fastball and a catcher with a gun.
There was a Grantland piece about his control of the running game last year. Until something like mid-September there were zero attempts against him. Curiously enough, I think this might be related in two different ways to the possibility Jeff mentions of lower perceived velocity. Both of them come from his short step.
Ventura’s step is so short that he releases the ball closer to the rubber than most pitchers do. This means it spends more time in the air and thus appears slightly slower to a hitter. The hitter doesn’t especially care how long the pitcher takes to release the ball. BUT for a runner, the time to release is everything. That step to the plate is when the runner gets his biggest advantage, and Ventura’s is so short that getting a good jump on him is nearly impossible.
The other thing is that because he’s used to throwing with a short step, a quick hop-step-throw to first base is a more comfortable motion for him than it is for most right-handers. And because it’s so comfortable, he’s able to make the move quickly, and then to fire the ball over there. Most pitchers take longer at the move, or they take a lot off the throw to avoid sailing one into the stands. Ventura doesn’t.
As a Royals fan who watches alot of games my own personal theory is that hitters are just sitting on his fastball (as much as you can sit on a 95+ mph fastball) especially early in the count.
Just a hunch/observation. no real statistical research to back it up. But it would help explain why hitters are killing him in early counts (.361 with 4 HR through 1-0 counts, . 273 with 3 HR through 0-1 counts).
This article seems like it could be written about Danny Salazar, too. A short righty flamethrower who seems to get hit harder than he should. His problems seem to be more of the hard hit variety than the lack of soft hits and high pull percentage. Maybe it just all goes back to command. If a hitter squares a up a fastball that’s in his wheelhouse, chances are he’s going to pull it and hit it hard.
Also, I looked up Pedro’s 2002-2009 soft hit percentages. They are similar to Ventura’s. Maybe the three bucket format (soft, medium, hard) just isn’t robust enough to determine quality of contact. It would be interesting to see how many batted balls were on the cusp on soft/medium or medium/hard.
Based on Yordano’s velocity charts, it looks like he’s down 1-2 mph on average from last year.