Today’s MLB Network Game to Feature Advanced Metrics

Advanced stats have had a huge influence on baseball over the last generation. Every front office makes use of statistics, metrics, and methods that would fall under the umbrella of sabermetrics. Websites and blogs like this one, meanwhile, have created a niche for interested fans to absorb the game through a sabermetric prism. While the clubs have embraced sabermetrics in the name of remaining competitive, and online media have formed around a collection of die-hards, getting modern statistics onto broadcasts has been a more challenging endeavor.

We’ve seen many broadcasts make an effort to adapt to the changing climate, but there remains a delicate balance between providing sabermetric information and appealing to the widest possible audience. Given that there is only a single radio and television broadcast experience for each club, networks have been cautious about radical changes to the way they present games given that a large portion of their audience does not a regularly visit sites like FanGraphs, Baseball Prospectus, and Beyond the Box Score.

On Wednesday afternoon (3:30pm Eastern), MLB Network will roll out a new format for calling live games that diverges from standard broadcast paradigm. Brian Kenny will be joined by Kevin Millar, Jim Duquette, and Rob Neyer to provide play-by-play and analysis for the Astros-Giants game based around the network’s sabermetric-friendly talk show, MLB Now.

As the FanGraphs Site Educator, part of my role is to help make sabermetrics accessible for fans who aren’t as well-versed in the language of stat-heads, but I also have a general desire to see broadcasts enhance the experience of the already stat-friendly fan by integrating more analytical information. Any attempt to augment the typical broadcast paradigm in a way that will allow higher quality information into the discussion has my interest, including last year’s Just a Bit Outside broadcast on Fox Sports 1 and this week’s MLB Network event. On Monday, I spoke with Kenny about his plan for the game and his views on the future of the medium.

There are essentially two hurdles to clear in order to work advanced stats into mainstream broadcasts. The first is a matter of format and the second is a matter of specifics. On the question of format, Kenny believes the network’s flagship program, MLB Tonight, provides a guide for breaking from the traditional play-by-play model. Instead of having a broadcaster call each pitch with color commentary from a single analyst, Kenny thinks giving the reins to a panel will allow for a fuller discussion of topics like manager strategy, player quality, and roster construction.

He stresses that the focus has to remain on the game, however, and admitted the panel won’t get as “wonky” as certain die-hard fans might like. The goal, Kenny told me, was to speak the language of the mainstream fan while bringing “our way of thinking” (i.e. sabermetrics) into the broadcast. On several occasions, he used the word “organically” in reference to his plan to use the game action to jump into discussions about broader topics like defensive shifts, bullpen strategy, etc. In preparing for the game and studying what others have tried to do, Kenny says he’s learned the key is not to stray too far from the on-field action and to remember most people are tuning in to watch a ballgame on a Wednesday afternoon.

Hearing Kenny describe his vision for the game, it sounds like the viewer will feel like they’re watching an episode of MLB Tonight that’s focused on a single game. The panel will talk about the game play as it’s happening, but won’t be afraid to break off into an extended discussion about an appropriate, related topic.

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While the MLB Tonight format has several years of success on which to lean, the integration of advanced stats specifically isn’t as well defined. One of the most noticeable differences you’ll see on Wednesday will be when a hitter walks to the plate. The ribbon will include OBP and SLG instead of RBI. It’s a small step for the regular FanGraphs reader who might prefer something like wOBA or wRC+, but Kenny suggested WAR might also find its way onto the main package as well.

Additionally, more sophisticated numbers will certainly come up during the panel’s discussions, and MLB Network is prepared to flash graphics on the screen explaining the various metrics to help keep the viewers on the same page. It also won’t be a broadcast about Statcast, but Kenny suggested that they will draw on the technology when it fits organically into the discussion and can add something to the conversation.

I asked if they planned to integrate anything like run expectancy, win probability, or leverage index into the basic graphics package, and while it sounds like that isn’t going to happen, Kenny was excited about the idea and said he’d like to bring those numbers into the discussion with a focus on what the numbers are saying rather than reporting the precise values at any one time.

For now, that appears to be the overall approach for MLB Network’s first go-around. Instead of saying a hitter has a 140 wRC+ and letting the viewer interpret the meaning of that number like a normal broadcast might do when mentioning a .289 batting average, Kenny wants to say things like, “this is the fifth-best hitter in the league using park-adjusted stats.” The idea is to bring a different approach to the broadcast while talking about the game in a language that’s accessible to a wide audience.

Ultimately, they’re trying out this format to see if it’s something fans would enjoy, and while Kenny doesn’t necessarily think it will replace the standard model for the full 162-game slate, he hopes offering a different approach to calling a game can shake up a medium that doesn’t have a lot of variety in the basic mechanics of a broadcast.

In discussing the upcoming broadcast with other sabermetric-enthusiasts, the biggest question Kenny et al. had was how much of a conversation ought to be dedicated to explaining the statistics (generally) compared to discussing numbers that are relevant to the day’s contest (specifically). It sounds very much like Kenny and the rest of the production team at MLB Network want the broadcast to focus on the latter. It doesn’t appear as if this will be a game designed to walk through the tenants of wOBA, but will instead try to utilize a new format that is more conducive to a sabermetric conversation.

The reviews of last year’s JABO broadcast were generally positive, with the main complaints being about the nature of the split screen (easily fixable) and how it took several innings for the broadcast to really lock in on the action on the field (likely a simple growing pain). As far as integrating better numbers and more useful graphics, I thought it was an excellent effort. MLB Network has much more experience managing a studio show during live games, so hopefully some of the minor production hiccups won’t occur this time around.

It’s probably unrealistic to expect sabermetrics will take over the airwaves in the near future, but with traditional broadcasters becoming more willing to utilize advanced stats and occasional efforts to generate a broadcast aimed at a slightly more stat-friendly audience, things are certainly improving in that respect. When it comes to the written word, fans have their pick of a wide range of options to fit their particular interest in the game. Given that the broadcast market is highly regulated, reaching everyone in a single broadcast is a difficult task and any effort to move the needle toward more sabermetric-friendly thinking would likely be a welcome move for many.





Neil Weinberg is the Site Educator at FanGraphs and can be found writing enthusiastically about the Detroit Tigers at New English D. Follow and interact with him on Twitter @NeilWeinberg44.

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HVCMember since 2016
11 years ago

will be joined by Kevin Millar, Jim Duquette

*shudders*

Still a cool idea & will tune in after work but, damn, Millar & Duquette are beyond terrible.

guest
11 years ago
Reply to  HVC

at least Harold Reynolds won’t be there

Alexander Ryan
11 years ago
Reply to  guest

whats wrong with Herold Reynolds

Dave
11 years ago
Reply to  HVC

I guess I’m in the minority around here, but I think Millar is great. Granted, he’s not the world’s biggest stat geek, but he’s fun and down to earth. He has a ballplayer’s perspective, and he brings it in a positive way. I think that has value. Plus, he just seems like a really likeable guy!

Spicerello
11 years ago
Reply to  Dave

Yeah, his segment “What’s in Sean Casey’s teeth?”, a few weeks ago really did it for me

cs3
11 years ago
Reply to  Dave

I agree. Millar is a fun guy to watch. He doesnt take himself too seriously, and while he often plays his intelligence down for the sake of his role on “Intentional Talk”, he offers some great insight into how players think.

Gareth Evans
11 years ago

Given that there is only a single radio and television broadcast experience for each club…
While the above is true,as a listener with Atbat, I have a choice of thirty radio broadcasts

Scott Marcus
11 years ago

I’m looking forward to watching this game while I’m working from home. I like the fact they’ll use OBP and SLG rather than RBI. One of the things that bothers me most about traditional broadcasts is when the mention team defense ranking, based on fielding percentage. I’d like to see something more advanced used to discuss team defense. And of course individual defense as well.

Vance
11 years ago

Meanwhile, Harold Reynolds is heading to Buffalo Wild Wings where he was told by his bosses Brian and co would be calling the game.

One step forward, two steps back
11 years ago

Chris Russo will be joining Harold Reynolds on MLB Tonight

*shudders*

We come together cause Opposites Attract
11 years ago

Gotta hear both sides.

kdl
11 years ago

I always hope efforts like this will focus on pointing out how we have evidence to back up certain conventional wisdom. I feel like using advanced stats to prove what we “already know” is a way to get people to buy in.

For example…common wisdom is a leadoff walk is trouble for the team in the field. Use run expectancy to show more specifically how much trouble a leadoff walk is…and people may start to think…”Hey, maybe there is something to these stats.”

I think there is tremendous value in questioning conventional wisdom. And its what I love most about advanced stats. But I don’t think focusing on that is the best way to introduce most people to the ideas.

Jetsy Extrano
11 years ago
Reply to  kdl

Yeah, I’d think that putting WE and LI in the background, and referring to them when they’re interesting, would draw some people in. I find that people get interested in those stats because of how they mirror or own sense of the game most of the time, and then sometimes they say something we didn’t know.

Roger
11 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

Yeah, baffling that WE, LI, and WPA aren’t used during live broadcasts. They can fit right into the way announcers talk, very naturally — “That hit just raised the team’s chance of winning by 20 percentage points! It was the most important play of the game!” — as opposed to some of the more abstract rate stats or context-corrected skill stats or whatever.

TWTW
11 years ago

an evening with Brian Kenny is just what’s needed to turn America off of sabermetrics forever!

cee
11 years ago
Reply to  TWTW

agreed! I feel like he’s a fake sabermetric guy. Says things cause it’s now trendy to use the advanced stats and theories. Not sure how much KMillar actually knows about advanced metrics either. Seems the broadcast is to be done for sake of doing as opposed to trying to be revolutionary and informative.

Roger
11 years ago
Reply to  cee

Right, exactly. It’s like the Vox dot com “explainer” of sabermetrics — “advanced stats” as a form of self-congratulatory superficial contrarian hot takes, rather than as genuine empirical pursuit of understanding.

McNulty
11 years ago
Reply to  Roger

I don’t know from where you are forming your opinion, but Kenny has been a sabermetric guy for a while

Roger
11 years ago
Reply to  Roger

I meant more the presentation on these “stat-enhanced” broadcasts than Kenny himself, whose work I don’t see enough of to judge.

Brian
11 years ago
Reply to  TWTW

I agree with this. Rob Neyer should be interesting though.

Hank
11 years ago
Reply to  TWTW

Kenney is a terrible spokesperson (IMO)

He is so concerned with being contrarian and showing how ‘enlightened’ he is, that he often argues with bad strawman and hyperbole.

And then it becomes just the latest crusade he’s on (kill the win, bunting is evil, or the current relief ace); while the actual points have strong merit he is so heavy handed and resorts to such hyperbole it completely undercuts the value of his point.

Neyer should be OK…if he gets a chance to speak

Weezy
11 years ago
Reply to  Hank

Thank you for saying this. I’m genuinely interested in some advanced stats (“sabermetrics” is a dirty word around me, but I’ll get to that) but I simply haven’t been able to really dig because every time I try I either 1) find the stats to be in the Department of Redundancy Department from traditional stats or 2) read about Brian MF Kenny. He’s ruined any pursuit of me trying to understand anything. He’s so blindsided by his nerd rage that he wants to shove that he knows more and better than you about every little thing that he’s INTOLERABLE. As a former player, I like hearing that side. It makes sense to get into a players psyche. Kenny doesn’t see that and disregards it because he got cut from his little league team and never played. He completely removes that aspect of every situation. I like Reynolds. He’s entertaining and very knowledgeable about the game but Kenny screams “YOU’RE WRONG” at everything Reynolds says because he “only” has conventional wisdom and experience instead of fake numbers (I’m looking at you exclusively WAR. It’s a moving target with seemingly arbitrary coefficients that places an over emphasis on itself as the end all be all. Plus with multiple accepted ways to calculate there could be two people saying different numbers and both are right.)

I’m not meaning to start a war against advanced stats. Kenny just gets my blood boiling because he’s trying to create a massive war between both sides when the reality is that BOTH SIDES NEED EACH OTHER to have any success. your average fan doesn’t care about wOBA or wRC+ or anything like that. They want more concrete and tangible numbers. Counting stats will always be the go to for the baseball fanbase. As for strategy decisions like bunts, steals, and defensive shifts, Kenny needs to learn about situational hitting. A sac bunt and sac fly is a very effective way to scratch across and manufacture a run from a baseball perspective but not a stat based perspective. Screaming at a teleprompter that its a stupid move will do nothing to further the cause. It has lasted as long as it has because sometimes, you only need the one insurance run or you only need the one to tie the game to go into extras. Spouting out number after number isn’t going to change anything. Kenny can’t praise Joe Maddon on his genius one minute then criticize the bunt. In his tenure with the Rays, Maddon made the MOST bunt attempts in all of baseball!

TL;DR Brian Kenny turns more people off to advanced stats than he converts because he is too contrarian to basic baseball and attempts to force feed his beliefs on everyone instead of making people understand them.

NickB
11 years ago
Reply to  Weezy

lol,you obviously don’t really know what you are talking about. ex-player or not, there are reasons why so many sabr people dislike bunts, getting the runner over and all that, it wastes outs, it’s bad baseball.

if you really want to learn modern stats, go to the glossary of this site and start reading. eventually you will understand.

Lucas
11 years ago
Reply to  Weezy

The problem with trying to explain these metrics is it takes a good amount of time. I could sit down with people from this site and ask 1000 questions over several days and I still would want to know more. It’s why wRC+ and wOBA are adjusted so it is easy to make sense of (wRC+ scaled to 100, and wOBA scaled to look like an OBA) to try and dive into linear weights for the derivation for stats like this is something that is really difficult to do in a show that is designed for entertainment. I think Kenny tries to throw these numbers out there and give the general “this number is the best stat to measure a players offense” hoping that people who disagree with him and advanced stats may go look it up themselves.

I can think of several instances where someone has said “your wrong” to something I originally thought was common knowledge so I’d go try to find research that supported my or their claim. Specifically I remember a time I suggest on a site that I didn’t know why we wouldn’t start a particular LHB against a LHB because his splits that year were even. Then I got blasted for using single season splits. I had no idea the sample sample size it took to make an argument about split until I was told I was wrong and looked it up.

TL;DR Kenny says things like “Your Wrong” simply because the amount of time it takes to make a justification is more than he has, and much more than the average viewer wants. I’m guessing he hopes the more curious fan will go research his claim.

Roger
11 years ago

“Advanced metrics”? Nonsense. A more appropriate headline might be “Today’s MLB Network game to feature slightly reduced emphasis on baseball-card stats.” There’s no reason to define “advanced” down to this level of spoon-feeding.

McNulty
11 years ago
Reply to  Roger

get off your high horse. The goal is to make some sabermetric thinking more accessible to the general public and to change some of the most basic stats we think of.

Roger
11 years ago
Reply to  McNulty

Nah, I like the view from up here. Calling it “advanced” to use OBP instead of batting average is silly puffery. If it’s meant to be the Saber 101 broadcast, why not call it that?

McNulty
11 years ago
Reply to  Roger

because that is condescending to people who genuinely are open to begin learning about sabermetrics. The broadcast isn’t meant to be designed to our level of understanding, but I’m sure we would all love a broadcast centered on OBP and wRC instead of RBI and W.

Roger
11 years ago
Reply to  Roger

Course Catalog, MLB Network University
101: Advanced Physics
201: Also Advanced Physics
301: Equally Advanced Physics
401: Still Advanced Physics

Or maybe using numbers is still too “condescending”

pepe
11 years ago

can i not watch this with the MLB TV app since those only show the local broadcast feeds?

MSpitz
11 years ago

Ya…this is terrible. Its just a regular panel discussion going on during the broadcast of the game. Don’t call it an advanced metrics broadcast and then spend half an inning talking about the intangibles of a player…

MSpitz
11 years ago
Reply to  MSpitz

And then you bring in AJ Pierzynski to say that the Astros are good this year because of their bullpen…bye.

Baseball Blog Guy
11 years ago

Here’s my recent write up on Tulo’s affect on Toronto!

http://baseballblogguy.com/2015/08/12/tulo-is-leading-off-and-the-jays-havent-lost-since/

baseballfan123
11 years ago

If you are going to post spammy posts about your blog, at least have the correct spelling of the word “effect”

Grumpy Old Kirk Gibson
11 years ago

You have a blog? That’s cute…

L. William Marshall
11 years ago

your garbage is going to screw up the game so bad . why not just load a bunch of stats in a computer and play the games there no injuries no moneys spent on huge contract players every call will be perfect no fans in the seats guess what you go right down the toilet. go back to mit or where ever you came from

go away
11 years ago

Those are words, but I don’t think you’ve written anything in English.

Roger
11 years ago
Reply to  go away

This thread attracted a lot of strangely regressive anti-stat nonsense for a FanGraphs post. Weird one.

Lucas
11 years ago

Don’t you worry, this has already been done. And I have to say, the results were FAR more entertaining than any real baseball season I’ve ever experienced.

http://www.fangraphs.com/not/dangerous-experiment-a-roster-of-25-adam-dunns/

Linda
11 years ago

As an older old-fashioned fan of Americas favorite pastime, why can’t you guys simply call the game like Vin Scully or the late great Harry Carey? I just watched 3 innings of the Giants and Houston while the three or four guys n the “debate panel” talked about everything except who was at bat, whether he had changed his stance or just come off the disabled list, etc. They spoke not one word about what was happening in the game. I don’t need to watch how fans are going to eat a humongous hot dog or how long it will take him to eat it, or if he can eat it all. If I want to know a player’s stats and/or someone elses take on how they think the game should be then I’ll Google them or the person. I’m so sick of these egotistical “motor-mouthed” announcers that I’m ready to turn the whole thing off and read a book. If I wanted to hear commentary let me dial up a tall show. This is baseball, gentlemen.

Roger
11 years ago
Reply to  Linda

FWIW, as a younger new-fashioned fan of the game I agree with you completely. Calling the game is inexplicably out of fashion for TV announcers, and only a small handful — Scully, Gary Cohen, and a few more — actually do it even most of the time. Far too much of baseball announcing on TV is detached conversation and mouth-running that loses track of the game going on at the time. There’s still some room for analysis and discussion between pitches, though, and there it’d still help for analysts and announcers to be more statistically literate than they are (which is not very).

4poker1@att.net
11 years ago

This is by far the worse piece of crap I have ever tried to watch as a baseball fan Both my brother and myself are die hard Giants fans and have been since the 60’s we know Madison Bumgarner and some of his family personally But we could stand watching and listening to those idiots go on and on about nothing If this is all you have to offer me as a fan I have watch (part) until 4th inning with hopes they would soon shut the hell up before I turned it off my last MLB

a eskpert
11 years ago

Where did these commenters come from?

John
11 years ago
Reply to  a eskpert

I’m guessing they googled “Astros-giants broadcast” in a rage and this article came up.

durn
11 years ago

Everytime Brian Kenny tries to get in something about SIERA or batted ball velocity Millar is gonna come and be like “Well he has a .352 show hair percentage with a some sneaky pop and hits big boy home runs, yeehaw!”

McNulty
11 years ago
Reply to  durn

Millar is funny and he isn’t strong headed against advanced stats. He may be skeptical or confused at first, like most people have been at some point, but he and other players on MLBN are coming around.

durn
11 years ago
Reply to  McNulty

Really? That’s good. I haven’t watched MLBN in a minute. I feel like if ESPN or some major network did a special or some sort of feature on advanced stats they’d be able to have some serious success with it. People believe in stuff like QBR which is just as ambiguous as WOBA or WAR or something.

MatMember since 2016
11 years ago

These comments have been fairly disappointing. Many of them are reeking with baseball snobbery. Sure some find BK annoying but he’s the one who carries the torch of sabermetrics on the MLB Network. Millar is a great choice as a former player who is not totally anti analytic who doesn’t take himself too seriously. That’s something some folks here need to look into. This broadcast was a first attempt. Of course it will need tweaking and adjusting. We should be happy this attempt was made. Isn’t this what we want? The best information and analysis of baseball we can possibly have? No, wasn’t perfect but I feel it was an excellent start to getting these stats and theories into the mainstream layman baseball fans’ heads. Remember guys and girls, there was a time when none of us were into this either. I applaud them for a good start. Let’s tweak it and forge on fighting the good fight. These comments sound like a bunch of microbrew snobs who can’t get any enjoyment out of a platter of buffalo wings and a cold can of Coors or a Sundance film fan that can’t possibly see any value in Ghostbusters. Lighten up guys. Don’t forget what this is all about.

Peggi
11 years ago

As an out of market fan of one of the teams in this game I was extremely disappointed in this format. One of the elements I value as a fan of the Giants is their stellar broadcast team. I felt as if the game was simply a backdrop to a panel discussion of statistics and meaningless drivel meant to impress only the other members of the panel. Please rethink this format.